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Israeli Forces Shoot Dead Palestinian Youth in Galilee (TEXT and VIDEO)

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A young Palestinian citizen of Israel died on Saturday morning after being shot in the chest by Israeli police during an arrest raid in a village north of Nazareth. Israeli police claimed in a statement that the Hamdan had been wielding a knife.


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Past Member (0)
Monday November 10, 2014, 12:39 pm
I hope that he can rest, side by side, in peace with the two young Israelis who were stabbed to death today.

Rose Becke (141)
Monday November 10, 2014, 7:17 pm

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 12:21 am
The warring continues.

Athena F (131)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 2:50 am
When will it end? :(

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 3:02 am
I don't know Ros. Part of the problem is that the palestinians deny the UN and UN resolutions and regulations.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 4:08 am
No one can EVER be guiltfree in war, but after a defensive war peace negotiations must be brokered in terms of Instigator/Victor/Loser and it must be the Instigator/Loser who concedes. There can be no parity.
The UN is out of the equation and I believe even the ICC will be hotly contested.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 4:10 am
Bloody Zionist murderers.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 4:26 am
Arild, two 20yr old young Israelis were stabbed to death on the streets yesterday and several more critically wounded.
Bloody palestinian/hamas murderers.

Ros, no, I'm not and that's not my quote. It a proscription of the UN security Council and the negotiation team for post-war settlements.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 5:00 am
pro·scrip·tion noun \prō-ˈskrip-shən\

Definition of PROSCRIPTION

: the act of proscribing : the state of being proscribed
: an imposed restraint or restriction : prohibition

The PROSCRIPTION against full parity is meant as a deterrent to initiating an agressive war which forces the opponent into defensive retaliation.
In a defensive war the spoils go to the defensive victor.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 7:25 am
In the Zionist alternate universe, black is white, up is down, might makes right, and the rule of law is for suckers.

In reality, Israel has for decades been in continuous violation and openly defiant of numerous UN Resolutions. In reality, some Zionist supporters are supporting and advocating Israeli racist policies, more colonization of Palestinian lands and more ethnic cleansing. In reality, the hasbara are once again attempting to deflect, detract, divert and obfuscate from the senseless murder of a Palestinian youth by Jewish-Israeli security forces.

As is obvious from the video, Israeli security forces were not ever in any great danger, and the situation could have easily been resolved using non-lethal means. Clearly Hamdan is moving away from police and is partially turned away from them when he is shot. The way they dragged the seriously injured Hamdan to the van and tossed him into it like a sack of potatoes speaks volumes about the disturbing mentality held by Israeli police. Such callous disregard for human rights and extra-judicial killings by Israeli security forces are unfortunately all too common, and are designed to 'teach a lesson.' They are not the hallmark of a civilized society, rather yet another sign of the terrorist apparatus of the Israeli government.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 7:57 am
Bruce, you've already used that one.... Where yo there again???? How often do you visit Israel????

Now, how about a 20 yr old girl brutally stabbed to death on the sidewalk?? Most of the blood that was in her body is now on that sidewalk. And a 20yr old soldier who did nothing to provoke the attack in which he was stabbed repeatedly in the chest and abdomen ~ he died moments after he was taken to sugery.
The hallmark of an uncivilized society!

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Lona G (66)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 8:49 am
Tension is mounting and one act of aggression provokes a counter attack, and with each death things become more unlivable for all. However, the stronger oppressing the weaker, the self-righteous discriminating against the dispossessed is not the solution, it is the road to even more aggression and frustration.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 10:12 am
Lose of life is always tragic. What is the solution to finding peace in a situation that is constantly being fuelled by the flames of hatred?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 10:22 am
A signature on a peace agreement. But that would require palestine to recognize Israel and cease aggressions.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 11:06 am
I think too that Israel would also have to recognize Palestine and admit that it was not a good idea to displace Palestinian people from their homes in the first place. Returning to original boundaries and stop the policy of encroaching would also help. Both sides are going to have to accept BIG concessions to achieve peace here. As well the decision to locate Israel where it is perhaps has to be looked at again. Maybe this idea did not work at all and the WHOLE world has to get involved in sorting this all out. Decisions for Israel came out of WWI. This is a BIG picture and it is going to take a lot for the world to live in peace. There are so many divested interests in "Israel" that most of us don't know or understand. If we focus on what it takes to live in peace maybe we will find answers. Right now world peace is not looking too good. So very sad.

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 1:03 pm
Sad. Why they have to do this it, I'll never understand. Peace is what I was taught all of my life, not hatred to others. Thanks Carrie

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 2:17 pm
Barbara:"An eye for an eye will soon leave the whole world blind" Mahatma Ghandi.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 2:52 pm
And the people who were crushed and killed by terrorist driven automobiles? And the suicide bombers? And the assasins? And the 25,000+ rockets and mortars?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 2:55 pm
And the people who were crushed and killed by terrorist driven automobiles? And the suicide bombers? And the assasins? And the 25,000+ rockets and mortars?
I suppose if someone came at you brandishing a knife you would pat him on the head and say, *Go home, little boy*??
This is what they train and encourage their children to do for the glory of allah.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 3:42 pm
I can clearly see that the Zionists are blinded by hatred already,maybe you should start counting the dead Palestinians since the Nakba in 1948.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 8:43 pm
As has been pointed out before, it was terrorist Jewish-Israeli settlers who invented and perfected the "hobby" of viciously running over Palestinian schoolchildren. Palestinians may be quick learners, but they just aren't afforded the same judicial protections as Jewish-Israelis when committing the same atrocities. Jewish-Israelis have killed far more innocent Palestinians using terror than from all the suicide bombers and rocket and mortar attacks combined. Jewish-Israelis routinely conduct assassinations of Palestinians. Jewish-Israeli armaments used against Palestinians numbers in the hundreds of thousands, and are far more lethal. Where Palestinians throw rocks in protest against a racist apartheid regime that denies their human- and civil-rights, Jewish-Israelis use live rounds of lethal ammunition to indiscriminately maim and kill Palestinian children and civilians. Jewish-Israelis indoctrinate, train and encourage their children to hate and kill for the glory of racist Zionism.

But, as is customary and already mentioned heretofore, the hasbara continues trying mightily to detract, divert and obfuscate from the article, which is about the vicious, unjustifiable murder of a young Palestinian by Jewish-Israeli security forces. Hasbara Handbook 101, as taught in Jewish-Israeli universities: Don't talk about Palestinians killed, instead discuss Israelis killed and attack Palestinians.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 8:54 pm
Israelis Killed by Palestinian Terrorism since 1948 TOTAL: 3,791
Palestinans Killed by Palestinians since 1948 2,014
Palestinians killed in wars since 1948 55,900*
Israelis killed in war since 1948 11,570

*Includes non-palestinians killed in War of Independence, Six Day War, and Yom Kippur War

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 9:03 pm
Bruce, again with the detract, divert, and obfuscate???

A knife wielding boy. A defenseless young girl.

Betty Kelly (4)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 9:38 pm
I have no comment that could help this senseless killing on both sides,

fly bird (26)
Tuesday November 11, 2014, 11:56 pm

“After the murder occurred, the police rushed to publish a false statement about the details of the incident, but later it became clear that cameras had documented the incident, showing that the police narrative was false and fabricated,” Adalah said.

Israeli police had previously told media that Hamdan was shot “when he tried to stab an officer during an attempt to arrest him for allegedly throwing a stun grenade in the town.”

“The officers’ actions clearly violate the open fire regulations of the police,” Adalah added. “The video also raises suspicion that the police shot Hamdan again after he was injured and had fallen to the ground.”

The group notes that “the police dragged Hamdan’s body in a humiliating manner while he was bleeding and threw him into the police van, as if they were carrying a meaningless object, instead of calling on rescue teams to save him.”

He was alive after the first shot, writhing on the ground.

fly bird (26)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 12:34 am
"The video footage showing police fatally shooting Khair Hamdan after he retreated has raised serious questions regarding the measures used by police to arrest civilians. " ynet

The police procedure, which was revised in 2007, deems it illegal to use a firearm when conducting an arrest, unless the perpetrator endangered his own or any other person's life during the arrest, or if the arrest is for a crime in which the act itself endangered the life of the perpetrator or any other person.

The use of the firearm is permitted also when no other measure can be taken to conduct the arrest and given that no real risk is posed to the lives and safety of bystanders and innocents. According to the procedure, officers are required to give a warning before firing their weapons. In the first stage, a loud verbal warning must be given. Only after that, officers are permitted to open fire. The warning may be skipped in the case of immediate danger to the life of the officer or any other person.

However, the procedure also determines that after all conditions to open fire have been fulfilled, the officer must exercise the utmost care when using the firearm, in a manner causing the lightest damage possible to any person or property." -

These murders and crimes against Palestinians by Israeli forces happen every day, have increased, since the summer, and not always documented, as here, if at all. Witness reports are mostly dismissed. Lying, cover ups and impunity are standard

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 2:50 am
Thanks, Jess. The article also provides more needed context:

Result of incitement
Adalah noted that the shooting came after direct incitement to violence against Arab citizens of Israel by a senior minister:

Adalah sees a direct connection between the murder of Kheir Hamdan and the statements made earlier this week by Israeli Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovich. The Minister stated that anyone who attacks Israeli Jewish citizens should be killed immediately. In any democratic society that respects the life of its citizens, any government minister that makes statements such as those by Yitzhak Aharonovich should be immediately dismissed.

There are more than 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, who unlike Palestinians living under Israeli siege and occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, are supposedly afforded civil rights and protections.

However, Palestinian citizens of Israel live under dozens of laws and de facto practices that leave them at best with second-class citizenship.

The Israeli state recognized this in the Or Commission report produced after the October 2000 police killings of thirteen Palestinian citizens of Israel. But as Patrick O. Strickland reported last month, Israeli police brutality against Palestinian citizens remains unchecked fourteen years after that massacre.

Kheir Hamdan’s killing is only the latest by Israeli forces to be caught on video. In May, CNN and security camera video showed the cold-blooded killings by Israeli snipers of two teens, Nadim Nuwara and Muhammad Abu al-Thahir, in the occupied West Bank village of Beitunia.

In December 2012, a camera caught the killing of seventeen-year-old Muhammad al-Salaymeh in the occupied West Bank city of Hebron. In that case, as in the killing of Hamdan, the video directly contradicted Israeli claims that the youth posed an immediate threat to the person who shot him.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 3:29 am
The electronicinfitada *SAID*. Like they're going to portray true events???

Arild Gone for now (174)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 3:39 am
Barbara your numbers doesn't add up,just in the last demolition of Gaza more than 2100 Palewstinians were killed.


Yusuf Selman İnanç
Updated : 02.08.2014 10:55:32
Published : 02.08.2014 00:33:15

Since 1948 Israel has targeted civilians, numbers indicateISTANBUL — As Israel resumes its deadly assault on the Gaza Strip, an analysis of civilian casualties in Israel's wars since its founding in 1948 shows that the high death toll among non-combatants in recent times is no coincidence.

With the efforts of Turkey, Qatar, the U.S. and Israel, a 72-hourlong cease-fire was put into effect early Friday, although Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Israel will continue targeting the tunnels during the truce. Initially it was reported that Israel killed four Palestinians while three Israeli soldiers died. The actors of the temporary cease-fire and a Palestinian delegation, including Hamas and the government of the Palestinian Authority, will continue talks in Cairo. Yet, the Israeli army said they ended the truce on Friday afternoon. As of Friday, the death toll in Gaza passed 1,440, and the number of wounded Gazans hit 8,000. The total number of killed Israeli soldiers is more than 60; however, Hamas' armed wing, al-Qassam Brigades, claims that the toll is around 130.

Since its establishment, Israel has never avoided killing large numbers of unarmed people.

After the decision was made to migrate to the Palestinian lands in the first Zionist Congress, held in 1897, Jews gradually moved to Palestine. After World War I and World War II, the number of Jews migrating to Palestine increased dramatically. In 1948, Israel started an independence war against Arab countries, which was called "Nakba" (big catastrophe) by Palestinians, as more than 1 million Arabs were displaced. In 1948, Israel killed nearly 20,000 Palestinians and several thousand Arab soldiers, while it lost around 4,000 soldiers and 2,000 civilians. In the second Israeli-Arab conflict, in 1956-1957, Israel lost 231 soldiers, while 1,650 Egyptian soldiers were killed, and there were hundreds of civilian casualties. In one of the biggest Israeli-Arab wars in 1973, 776 Israeli soldiers were killed, but the death toll on the Arab side was much higher as 15,000 Egyptians, 6,000 Jordanians and 1,000 Syrians were killed and more than a half million Palestinians were displaced. In 1978, Israel lost 18 soldiers, and 1,200 Lebanese and Palestinian people were killed. The war in Lebanon in 1982 was another catastrophe for Muslim Arabs. While the civil war was continuing in the country, Israel and pro-Israel rightist and Christian factions massacred 17,825 Arabs under the leadership of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who was famous for saying, "When I see dead Palestinians, while I am on the tank, I feel so happy." For three days, Muslim Arabs were murdered, raped and brutally executed. During the brutal attacks, 670 Israeli soldiers died. The massacres, which happened in Shatila refugee camp and Sabra area, have been marked as one of the bloodiest in recent history. Israel also killed 175 Arabs in 1996. In 2006 and 2009 the world again witnessed Israeli aggression on Arabs. While 1,200 civilians and 118 Hezbollah soldiers were killed in 2006, 1,440 Palestinians were murdered in just two days back in 2009 after intensive attacks. The total death toll of Israeli soldiers in 2006 and 2009 was 176. In 2012, during Operation Pillar of Defense, 177 Palestinians were killed, and six Israeli soldiers died. The numbers were released by AFP two weeks ago.

Even these numbers are most likely underreported,only in the Nakba in 1948 Israel killed more than 20 000 Palestinians and displaced many more.


Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 4:44 am
On May 15, the day after Israel was declared an independent State:

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine - Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on 2 May it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state.[11] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[12][13][14] The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.[15]

You start a war with Israel you best expect casualties, but Israel fights soldiers whereas arab/palestinians
attack civilians.

More Israeli civilians have been killed in terrorist attacks than palestinian civilians in war.

500,000 European Jews died in the chambers because of haj husseini's pressure on Britain to close immigration into Israel.
850,000+ Jews were displaced fleeing arab riots, massacres, and pogroms in the mid-1900's (and hundreds of thousands more throughout history, which is not pertinent to the War of Independence specifically).


Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 5:09 am
*Israel lost 6,373 of its people, about 1% of its population at the time, in the war. About 4,000 were soldiers and the rest were civilians.[8] Around 2,000 were Holocaust survivors.[204]

The exact number of Arab casualties is unknown. One estimate places the Arab death toll at 7,000, including 3,000 Palestinians, 2,000 Egyptians, 1,000 Jordanians, and 1,000 Syrians.[97] In 1958, Palestinian historian Aref al-Aref calculated that the Arab armies' combined losses amounted to 3,700, with Egypt losing 961 regular and 200 irregular soldiers and Jordan losing 362 regulars and 200 irregulars. According to Henry Laurens, the Palestinians suffered double the Jewish losses, with 13,000 dead, 1,953 of whom are known to have died in combat situations. Of the remainder, 4,004 remain nameless but the place, tally and date of their death is known, and a further 7,043, for whom only the place of death is known, not their identities nor the date of their death. *

Your numbers are the standard ~ overinflated.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 9:18 am
The Middle East has been a place of unnecessary death for a long time and the atrocities continue. It is clear that it is not a fair fight here and is being manipulated by world leaders. This is not just about Israel and Palestine - the deeper issue of believing that it is OK to kill for personal agendas. Most of the people here are pawns of the higher agenda to bring every person on Earth under the thumb of power hungry people that will kill and lie to keep their positions of privilege and power. We have to ask ourselves what is it about humans that will support killing of any human being as acceptable. Killing is never acceptable - that is the higher truth. There is no justification for what is happening in the Middle East and world leaders have to know this in no uncertain terms. We have to speak for the higher principle of peace and the right for every person on Planet Earth to live with dignity. World leaders are taking sides rather than standing behind the principles that make us better human beings. This is a terrible situation that is being made worse by giving any justification to what is clearly atrocities against the human spirt.

M B (62)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 10:20 am
The lives of Israeli Jews are not superieur to Arab lives.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 10:39 am
Did anyone say they were or are you dreaming again, Monka???

Elizabeth M (65)
Wednesday November 12, 2014, 1:57 pm
Noted and watched video. Thank You Carrie. Humand, was not dead when the police dragged and literally threw him into the car. I am sure this was from surveillance tape. It is hard to join a conservation such as this - there are always two sides to every story, and each side is entitled to their own thoughts. However, to me. when out and out murder is committed without real just cause, that is when the two sides become one story!!
Nobody else mentioned this, why are the police driving this type of expensive vehicle??

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 4:14 am
A list of wars Israel have fought since 1947:

•The 1948–49 War
•The 1956 War
•The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)
•The 1973–74 War (The Yom Kippur War)
•The 1982 War

Read more: Arab-Israeli Wars: Introduction |

How many of these wars were started by the Palestinians??

How many of these wars were started by Israel??

Why is it that Israel continue to attack Palestina? Palestinians have no army,no navy and no airforce,they live in a "Consentration Camp" called Gaza and are protesting by sending "Firecrackers" against Israel who has a sophisticated anti-rocket system called "Iron.dome",which intercepts all of these "Firecrackers" and "Iron-dome" is paid for by the USA.Waging war against Gaza is like "shooting fish in a barrel" and this is how the Zionists will be remembered.

As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance). From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council adopted 131 resolutions directly addressing the Arab–Israeli conflict. In early Security Council practice, resolutions did not directly invoke Chapter VII. They made an explicit determination of a threat, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, and ordered an action in accordance with Article 39 or 40. Resolution 54 determined that a threat to peace existed within the meaning of Article 39 of the Charter, reiterated the need for a truce, and ordered a cease-fire pursuant to Article 40 of the Charter. Although the phrase "Acting under Chapter VII" was never mentioned as the basis for the action taken, the chapter's authority was being used.

This is the bloody Zionist Country you support Barbara and I cannot understand how you can live with and accepti this?? You probably have no compassion for human life.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 9:10 am
The War of Independence ~ Iraq, Egypt, Transjordan, and Syria invaded Israel. Later joined by troops from 7 arab nations, including palestinians.

The Suez Crisis ~ the British/Franco/Israili Alliance invaded Egypt after Nasser's illegal attempt to nationalize he Suez Canal,blockade the Gulf of Aqaba, and close the Straits of Tiran.

The Six Day War ~ after a series of acts of sabotage, Egypt mobilized forces in the Sinai and again closed the Starits of Tiran. Israel launched a pre-emptory strike against Egyptian forces.

The Yom Kippur War ~ the Coalition of Arab States, led by Egypt and Syria, launched a surprise attack on Israel on Judaism's highest holy day.

The 1982 War correctly the 1978 War) ~ palestinian guerillas launched a sneak attack on Israel from a base in Lebanon in 1978. The conflict continued sporadically until Israel destroyed palestinian military bases in Southern Lebanon.

palestinians = 2, Israel = 0. Your point?

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 12:15 pm
Palestinians killed by racist Zionist terrorism: 100,000 (a large proportion women, children and elderly)

Palestinians killed by racist Zionist deprivation: 1,900,000 (a large proportion women, children and elderly)

Palestinians ethnically cleaned by racist Zionism: 1,000,000

Palestinians made refugees by racist Zionism: over 5,000,000 currently; the cumulative total is much more

Wars caused by racist Zionism: all involving Israel

Palestinian wars started: 0


Stan B (123)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 3:00 pm
The Israeli border policeman who shot this poor boy has been arrested and will face trial.
The Palestinians who murdered the two Israelis are feted as heroes and martyrs.

This says it all.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 3:43 pm
“Confusion about the origins of the conflict all too often has obscured Americans’ understanding of its true dimension. It began as a conflict resulting from immigrants struggling to displace the local majority population. All else is derivative from this basic reality.”

– Donald Neff, former Senior Editor, Time Magazine, Fallen Pillars: U.S. Policy towards Palestine and Israel since 1945

“[T]he story of 1948... is the simple but horrific story of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine... Retrieving it from oblivion is incumbent upon us, not just as a greatly overdue act of historiographical reconstruction or professional duty; it is... the very first step we must take if we ever want reconciliation to have a chance, and peace to take root, in the torn lands of Palestine and Israel.”

– Ilan Pappe, Israeli Historian, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

“The Palestinian Holocaust is unsurpassed in history. For a country to be occupied, emptied of its people, its physical and cultural landmarks obliterated, its destruction hailed as a miraculous act of God, all done according to a premeditated plan, meticulously executed, internationally supported, and still maintained today...”

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 5:00 pm
Stan conveniently omits the fact that Israel has a racist double justice system for Jews and Palestinians and that Jewish-Israelis are rarely punished or even tried for their atrocities against Palestinian civilians. When Jewish-Israelis are on rare occasion convicted for their crimes against Palestinians, they receive comparatively much lighter sentences for the same crime as do Palestinians. And when Jewish-Israelis are detained, Israel doesn't torture them like it does Palestinians.

The tale of racist Zionism:
In 1895 Theodor Herzl, the promoter of the congress and the father of political Zionism, had written in his diaries about the need to “spirit the penniless population” of poor Palestinians across the border to the “transit countries” and to expropriate the land of the notables. “Both, the process of expropriation and that of the removal of the poor,” Herzl said, “must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

One of the young Zionists in the Herzlia Gymnasia in Palestine before World War I later wrote, “It was drummed into our young hearts that the fatherland [Palestine] must become ours ‘goyim rein’ (clean of Gentiles-Arabs).”

The father of spiritual Zionism, the poet Ahad Ha’am, later recalled that “the Arab people [have been] regarded by us as non-existent since the beginning of the colonization of Palestine.”

As is clearly evident in words and deeds, Zionism's racist contempt for the human rights of the indigenous Palestinians has existed for 120 years. That's the root and cause of this conflict, and all one needs to know is that Zionism has always been a racist concept that elevates Jewish rights at the expense of Palestinians, whose own rights are denied, diminished and deprived.

That says it all.

Stan B (123)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 7:10 pm
Bruce. There you go obfuscating again. This story is happening NOW and you're copying and pasting references, possibly inaccurate, from 1885.
Why don't you try to answer the point I made? Surely that's not expecting too much.

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday November 13, 2014, 7:42 pm
Stan, your whole argument is an obfuscation that ignores the realities of the inherent racism in Zionism.

What two nations? The two largest open-air prisons in the world the Zionists brutally militarily occupy? The Palestinian land that keeps disappearing to illegal, racist, exclusive Jewish-only settlements? Where racist Zionists have erected a particularly heinous form of apartheid?

You talking about the nation where mobs of Jewish-Israelis go around shouting "Death to Arabs?" Those same Jewish-Israelis who elect terrorists to be leaders? The current Jewish-Israeli elected officials who spew hateful racist rhetoric and talk of "transfer," a despicable, racist Jewish-Israeli euphemism for more ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

Zionist racism and Zionist human- and civil-rights abuses against Palestinians have been ongoing for many decades and are still happening NOW, much to Israel and the world's disgrace.

Stan, your point was answered, but through willful ignorance you deign not to notice. However, you are not answering my points. Why are you supporting racism? Did you support South African apartheid, too?

Stan B (123)
Friday November 14, 2014, 1:11 am
Bruce. Do you seriously believe that any thinking person would answer such inane questions?
Why am I supporting racism? Do I support apartheid. Give me a break.
I get the impression you are becoming increasingly desperate with your input.
I know how important it is for to have the last word so be my guest.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 14, 2014, 4:02 am
As was said in the comments on another article, some people are having grave difficulties distinguishing between Israeli Arabs, Israeli Palestinians, and palestinian terrorists.

Bruce C D (89)
Friday November 14, 2014, 4:06 am
Stan, Stan, Stan. The thinking person not only asks the questions, they seek out the answers. Not the hasbara, though, with their inane propaganda and narrow-minded prejudiced preconceptions, who don't wish to explore beyond mere superficialities to seek out the truths about racist Zionism, which is both the root of this conflict and the ongoing violence. Nor do the hasbara appear too interested in introspection, apparently because they fear what they will find.

Having the last word doesn't interest me. What does interest me is having a meaningful, objective dialogue on this topic. However, it seems pro-Zionists are rarely inclined to engage in honest debate. Which is understandable to a point. How does one justify the unjustifiable? How does one defend the indefensible?

The impression imparted by pro-Zionists is one of selective blindness and flight from truth. Judging from their intellectual dishonesty and disreputable tactics, their need to cling to debunked Zionist myths, their palpable fear of the BDS movement becoming successful, and their strident attacks on anyone who criticizes racist Zionism, it is the pro-Zionists who are becoming increasingly desperate, as the elaborate façade erected to hide the truth about Zionism inexorably crumbles to dust. You can run, Stan, and you can hide, but there is no escape from the truth.

Bruce C D (89)
Friday November 14, 2014, 4:25 am
If even an Israeli Mizrahi Jew like Orly Noy can easily see what is so plainly obvious, Stan, why is it so difficult for you?

To stop the attacks, Israelis have to see the whole picture
It’s impossible to understand today’s Israeli-Palestinian reality by looking — without any context — only at stabbings and vehicle attacks. Israel is not the only player in the game, and it must come to grips with that if the flames are to ever die down.

By Orly Noy
|Published November 11, 2014

A difficult day has come to an end. Two stabbing attacks were carried out within a short span of time: one took the life of a young woman in Gush Etzion in the West Bank; the second took the life of a young soldier. At the time of writing, I can’t help but feel that today’s bloodletting has yet to come to an end.

In this chaotic reality there is only one thing one can say for sure: by the end of the day, Israel’s cabinet ministers and MKs will compete over who can come up with the most furious, shocked and fiery responses; who will pull out the biggest stick to strike back at terrorism; and who will summon the Israeli public’s anxieties in order to intensify them for the sake of political gain. So just before our leaders reach for the keyboard or the first open microphone, perhaps it would be wise to say a few things.

The terrible terrorist attacks that took place today are part of a campaign that the Israeli government is able to but does not want to curb – a campaign that it knowingly emboldens. We can only guess how many politicians and security establishment types will appear on our televisions in the next newscast, imploring us to view reality strictly through a contextless prism of the latest events: “they” don’t want us here; “they” are thirsty for Jewish blood; “they” are a threat we must deal with forcefully. And whoever doesn’t understand all this and goes out to protest must go “there."

The security forces have already had to deal with the ineffectiveness of our heavy-handed and forceful policy in Jerusalem. But the truth is that no solution will work as long as we refuse to see the situation with a panoramic view that takes into account all its components. And those components include Palestinians’ deep and real fear about Israel’s latest moves to change the status quo in the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. It includes the Palestinian understanding that Palestinian lives, whether in Israel, the West Bank or Gaza are worthless. It includes the recognition that Israel is constantly minimizing the chances for a nonviolent Palestinian struggle, while strengthening its hold on the occupied territories every day.

In order to understand what is happening here one must recognize the fact that these extreme acts of violence are not disconnected from, say, the cabinet’s recent decision to support automatically extending Israeli law to settlements in the West Bank. These acts of violence are not disconnected from the decision to forbid Palestinians from riding on the same buses as settlers. They are not disconnected from contingency plans for the expropriation of thousands of acres of land in the West Bank in order to pave apartheid roads, from allowing settlers to take over Palestinian homes or from the collective punishment imposed on residents of East Jerusalem.

Making these connections is in no way intended to justify today’s stabbing attack, or any other act of violence. But making these connections allows us to understand a crucial point: Israel cannot continue to act as if it is the only player in the game, while at best totally ignoring the Palestinian side and at worst continuing to oppress and dispossess, all the while expecting everything to be business as usual. If the rules of the game as they are written by Israel are “take all you can” – through land expropriation, settlement building and legislation — then the Palestinian version will be “strike back as hard as you can.” This, of course, is a disastrous course for both sides.

This doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game, and one side’s gain needs not – or rather, cannot – come at the expense of the other.

The definition of the word “neighbor” in Persian is, one with whom you share the shade. Our neighbors here are the ones with whom we share the same shade. Israel must make a decision: either we are saved along with our neighbors, or we both go down together.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 14, 2014, 4:48 am
Bruce, you should sign up to lecture in Israel so that you can tell the Israelis what they think and believe.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Friday November 14, 2014, 8:39 am
Somebody has to tell Israel that they are way out of line by justifying the excessive violence against the Palestinians. As I said before this is clearly not a fair fight. What is inexplicable is the support from NATO countries for Israel. There is a bigger picture here where both Palestinian and Israeli people that want to live as good neighbours are not given a chance by the constant political propaganda that keeps both sides at war with one another and puts gas on the fires of hatred. I would like to see World leaders stop taking sides and start talking about what can be done to bring peace to this area. The media, taking sides, NATO are not helping matters. Thank goodness on Care 2 there are people that are speaking up for peace and understand the bigger picture.

Bruce C D (89)
Friday November 14, 2014, 11:46 am
How police lied about the deadly shooting of Khir Hamdan
I was sure that with all of their past experience, Israeli police would finally learn how to tell a decent lie. It turns out that the boys in blue could stand to learn a thing or two.
Published November 9, 2014
By Rami Younis
I spent the last week in Amsterdam, where I hoped to disconnect and forget about the racism and the violence of Zionism, to see Ajax — my favorite soccer team since childhood — defeat a formidable opponent in its home stadium like in the good old days, and for a bit of nostalgia.
The first goal was achieved. The second one? Not so much: Messi destroyed us fairly easily. On game day I witnessed an arrest in real time: three Dutch police officers jumped on a suspect mid-crime at the central station. How strange it was to see a quiet arrest — no batons, tasers or pistols drawn. The arrest was so non-violent that the handcuffed suspect didn’t utter a sound — as if he was an equal party to the arrest.
This kind of thing is so far from the reality in Israel that I found myself making an effort to tie it into our everyday experience. “Look at that,” I said to my friend. “And now imagine this kind of thing happening where we come from, and that the suspect is Arab.”
Lying with spelling mistakes
It took me 15 minutes after landing to get caught up on the events of the past week. Between all the violent incidents only one thing managed to (still) surprise me: Israeli police are such terrible liars that is simply embarrassing. I was sure that with all of their past experience, the boys in blue would finally learn how to tell a decent lie. How disappointing.
The site Arabs48 gathered all the press releases to the Arab media after the shooting death of 22-year-old Khir Hamdan (Arabic). The statements, which were given by police spokesperson Luba Samri in terrible Arabic (as expected), reflect the police’s pathetic attempts at whitewashing the killing. In its first message released at 2:23 a.m., police announced that the “22-year-old who was killed attacked the police with a knife, and after they shot several warning shots in the air, police were forced to shoot him.” In the second statement, released at 3:27 a.m., the police stated that they were bringing in reinforcements “due to high tensions between two big families in the village.” Not because they just shot and killed a visibly upset person who did not really constitute a threat to them. This, of course, is just a minor detail.

Next. At 9:06 a.m. the police once again released a statement that claimed that tensions in the village stems from ill feelings between two families, as well as due to the death of “the man,” despite the fact that “warning shots were fired in the air before he was wounded.”
At 10:46 a.m., after the video of the shooting death was revealed, in which anyone can clearly see that the officers were not really interested in firing warning shots in the air, police released another statement in which it claimed that large forces are still deployed throughout the village due to “the conflict between two large families as well as due to the death of the 22-year-old man.” They also noted that police will continue to partake in heroic actions “with determination against any person who chooses the path of violence.”
At the same time, according to Arabs48, the statements released to the Hebrew press put an emphasis on police attempts to end the rioting and bring order to the primitive Arab village.


Bruce C D (89)
Friday November 14, 2014, 12:00 pm
Investigation of Abu Khdeir murder tainted by racism, police incompetence
Between shoddy work and a culture of racism toward Palestinians, it is no wonder that the police failed to prevent the brutal murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir.

By Lisa Goldman
|Published November 14, 2014

On Wednesday night, Israel’s Channel 10 broadcast a one-hour investigative report that delves deeply into the circumstances surrounding the murder of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir. Last July three Jewish Israelis, a 29-year-old man and two teenage boys, abducted Abu Khdeir into their car from a main street near his home in the East Jerusalem neighborhood Shuafat, beat him and drove him to a nearby wooded area where they burned him alive. Arrested and interrogated by police, the three suspects confessed to and re-enacted the murder, which they said was in revenge for the murders of three Jewish boys abducted by Hebron-area men who were linked to Hamas.

The abduction and immolation of Mohammed Abu Khdeir shocked Israelis and was the catalyst for violent demonstrations in East Jerusalem. Riot police responded by invading East Jerusalem and using crowd control methods ranging from tear gas and rubber bullets to severe beatings and mass arrests. The Gaza War distracted attention from the situation in Jerusalem for a while, but the violence never really abated. In recent weeks the situation has deteriorated even further, with the city now caught in a worrying cycle of violence that feels very combustible. Lone Palestinians have carried out stabbings and deliberate hit-and-runs against Jewish civilians, while paramilitary police have responded with increasing violence. Gunfire, tear gas beatings and mass arrests continue every night, into the pre-dawn hours.

Journalist Yisrael Rosner investigative report into the Abu Khdeir murder is presented — in Jerusalem, rather than from Channel 10′s Tel Aviv-area studios — by Raviv Drucker and Razi Barkai, both prominent veteran journalists. Summing up at the end, Drucker boils the story down to two elements: police incompetence and an ingrained culture of racism toward Palestinians.
Neither shoddy police work nor anti-Arab prejudice is new to Israeli society, and there is a tendency to shrug these things off with a disapproving click of the tongue and a sigh. But Abu Khdeir’s murder was so shocking that it did succeed in penetrating the mainstream Israeli consciousness, making the investigation relevant and timely. In his report, Rosner examines the question of whether or not the police could have prevented the murder. He also looks into one of the initial police claims, made at the start of the investigation and widely reported by the Israeli media, that Abu Khdeir might have been murdered by his own family because they had discovered he was a homosexual.

The three men who murdered Mohammed Abu Khdeir had attempted the previous night to abduct someone else – a 7 year-old boy named Mousa Zaloum. This story was reported many weeks ago, by both the Israeli and international media, but without follow up. Rosner re-interviews the family and then the police spokesperson, and discovers that the police never investigated the attempted abduction of the little boy. Mousa’s parents, obviously still deeply shaken at having nearly seen their son murdered, recount the abduction attempt in detail that shocks the viewer. The would-be abductors had seen the boy on the street accompanied by his mother, who was pushing a younger sibling in a stroller. They grabbed him around the neck and tried to drag him, using a rope that left scars on the boy’s neck. The mother, hearing her son’s screams, ran to fight off his attackers. When she succeeded in freeing him they turned on her, beating her and smashing her mobile phone. Later, they told police that they’d beaten the mother in order to prevent her from having more children. Eyewitnesses and the mother told police the attackers had been Jewish Israelis who spoke Hebrew, and CCTV cameras on the street recorded the incident. But the police did not investigate or conduct any follow up until after Mohammed Abu Khdeir’s body was found.

The police also tried to imply, at one point shortly after Abu Khdeir’s body was discovered, that the Palestinian teenager might have been killed as a result of an internecine dispute — a clan-based fight (the Abu Khdeir family is the largest in Shuafat, with about 800 members according to various media reports). They had no evidence to support this claim, but they did have a source for that other claim, that Abu Khdeir’s own relatives had murdered him in a so-called “honor killing,” because he was gay. That source was a Facebook page discovered by an Israeli journalist.

According to Elinor Sidi, the executive director of the Jerusalem Open House, a reporter from Reshet Bet (Israel Radio) called her to ask if Mohammed Abu Khdeir was a member of the openly gay Jerusalem community. Sidi told him that she had never heard of Abu Khdeir and that he was not part of their community. The reporter’s source was a Facebook page attributed to the Jerusalem Open House, with a status expressing sorrow over the death of Mohammed Abu Khdeir. Sidi notes that the cadence of the writing is very similar to her own. But the Facebook page was fake and she did not write the status. The police know this now, but they never apologized to the family. Nor did they use the IP address to track down the person or persons who created the fake Facebook page, which after all ended up wasting police time and diverting attention and manpower from the investigation.

And despite eyewitnesses who said the would-be abductors had spoken Hebrew, not to mention the existence of color CCTV footage showing the three abductors from several different angles, the police investigators took seriously the racist fairy tales about internecine murders and honor killings.

The three murderers of Mohammed Abu Khdeir are now in jail, after having received due legal process. The murdered boy’s family is destroyed, the story of his parents’ horrified grief etched in deep lines on their faces. Meanwhile, young Palestinian protestors in East Jerusalem are arrested and jailed every night. As we have seen over and over, they are beaten and dragged to jail without any due process. Mohammed Abu Khdeir’s mother tells Rosner what she knows to be true: that if an Arab living under Israeli sovereignty had abducted, beaten and burned alive a Jewish boy, he would have been shot to death by paramilitary police and his family’s house destroyed. And for Israeli Jews, that would have been justice.
But it seems that we’re quite used to seeing Palestinians denied basic civil rights, and their humanity as well.


Past Member (0)
Friday November 14, 2014, 12:50 pm
Arild, please! Quoting Gandhi when you have me in your crosshairs, hoping I'm dressed appropriately?????

ALLEN G (19)
Sunday November 16, 2014, 1:03 pm
Most of these if not all of these people have never been in a dangerous situation . They sit far away with their lap tops and pontificate . How many of you served in your countries armed forces or police ? You rely on others to protect your ass . Unless you have seen the elephant , you have no right to talk . Most of you would need a change of underwear if you faced death . Your adrenalin is sky high and you get tunnel vision , but you cowards would not know about this , so shut up unless you have been there .

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Sunday November 16, 2014, 1:43 pm
Allen: Most of us here are speaking up for Peace and the end to these atrocities against human beings. It takes more courage to live in Peace and work out differences than it does to bomb and kill people.

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Sunday November 16, 2014, 3:53 pm
Allen, if these people had ever faced death they wouldn't be here ~ speaking up for peace or otherwise.

Carrie B (306)
Sunday November 16, 2014, 4:16 pm
Barbara, you really shouldn't make statements like that ~ you obviously don't know everything about all of 'us' or what we have faced in our lives.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Sunday November 16, 2014, 4:19 pm
Barbara: How do you know that? Many people who have faced death in war end up saying that war is hell and to stop fighting. In fact in facing death some people realize how wrong it is to kill because life is precious and they value life even more and speak louder for peace.

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 3:37 am
The hasbara's words are spoken like a true chickenhawk.

It doesn't require any courage for a bully to beat up on a cripple, like Israel has been doing to Palestinians for decades. Even had I not served in the military, I already knew it doesn't require courage to hit back when someone hits you, or to shoot back when someone shoots at you.

The most courageous people in Israel and Palestine right now aren't serving in the IDF or Hamas, they are standing together and fighting for peace. The cowards would be the ones unwilling to give peace a chance.

Alan G., I suspect you have some guilt issues, causing you to strike out at others you know nothing about. That tunnel vision you speak of is the very reason why we have civilian control over the military. But even in the military, the more intelligent and conscientious know that war should be a last resort and produces no winners.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 3:37 am
Carrie and Darlene, wait until you live (or die) with rockets falling on New Mexico and Ontario every day and night for 15 years, suicide bombers, assassins, terrorists, surrounding you on all sides.
If you want *peace* so badly you go talk to the 1000+ terrorist groups around the world and tell THEM to chill out. Re-prioritize and start defending the REAL victims and stop giving the terrorists your accolades. They aren't the victims, they create victims from all walks, creeds, and nationalities. Remember the Tibetans, Nigerians, Basques................

A statement you'll refuse to understand, I'm sure.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 6:00 am
Bruce, your Yiddish is improving, but you've a ways to catch up with jess.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 6:05 am
*the more intelligent and conscientious know that war should be a last resort and produces no winners.*

Tell THAT to your buddies! They know extremism/terrorism/war/propanganda feeds it's own machine and the cycle of violence. The jihadists are world experts in playing the world with that gambit.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 6:22 am
We always have to hold the intention of peace no matter what. What is your solution Barbara - perpetual war. People always have to speak about the fact that war is a choice and we can ALWAYS choose better. The people of Gaza that want to live in peace are victims. Any people that want to live in peace are victims of this warmongering that is based on notions that people have the right to kill others for their own agendas. The highest truth of all is that NOBODY on planet Earth has the right to kill anyone. We are here to take care of the Planet and that is the highest truth. This truth must always be spoken to all people who believe that warfare will solve anything. This is not about taking sides but speaking for the higher truths. Canadians are being sent into these illegal and immoral wars and losing their lives for what? Victims are of every race, creed, and we ALL lose when we take the attitude it is OK to kill others. We have to rise above religious differences and see the bigger picture that each and every single person born on Planet Earth is precious and we all deserve to live in peace and with respect for life. That is what I am defending Barbara - peace and to live with dignity which every human being understands what that means. All our present systems have to change to honour this profound truth or we will continue to suffer. I will always choose peace, I will always speak for peace and that goes for anyone who believes there is justification in war. There never will be justification for war. This is our biggest lesson here on Planet Earth and children are suffering because we adults can't seem to get this right.

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 7:11 am
No, my Yiddish is not improving. No, my "buddies" are not Hamas, as is plainly evident from my comment, and which has already been elucidated numerous times in the past, as the hasbara well knows.

The hasbara also knows full well that it is the injustices of racist Zionism and Israeli provocations which fuels this conflict, and only feigns obtuseness. Just as the hasbara is fully aware that the most effective way of ending the violence would be having more Jewish people speaking out against Israel's racist mistreatment of Palestinians.


Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 7:25 am
Imagine if more Jewish people did speak up for peace. This is one group that does but it is not enough. Every additional voice for peace counts. It would be wonderful if AIPAC put peace first - then we would be getting closer to stoping these atrocities against children. They are the ones that always pay for old hatreds and bad decisions.

Carrie B (306)
Monday November 17, 2014, 11:11 am
As I said Barbara, you do not know what we have lived through. You assume too much.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 11:55 am
I do not assume, I KNOW, you have not lived through your entire life with rockets raining down day and night, suicide bombers blowing up your cafes and city buses and churches, slamming automobiles into crowds at your bus stops, sneaking into houses at night slaughtering entire familes, snipers firing at pedestrians and school buses, terrorists attacking your kindergartens, your next door neighbor states putting MiG's in the air, pre-teen and teenaged children stoning you as you walk/drive to the market.........

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 12:32 pm
Zionists are like the idiot who keeps poking the hornet's nest with a stick and then claims they are being victimized by the hornets. They lack the critical ability to empathize with what they are doing to Palestinians to provoke such responses, just as the idiot with the stick fails to understand why they are being stung. For the Zionist, it's all the Palestinian's fault, and culpability for their own racist actions must never be admitted. The idiot may not know any better, but I don't believe the Zionists are that stupid.

Carrie B (306)
Monday November 17, 2014, 12:45 pm
"Allen, if these people had ever faced death they wouldn't be here ~ speaking up for peace or otherwise" ~ Now you change your statement to " I KNOW, you have not lived through your entire life with rockets raining down day and night, suicide bombers blowing up your cafes and city buses and churches..." Good save Barbara, but you can't take back what you said earlier ~ just qualify the statement. Shame on you.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 12:49 pm
Barbara: You sound like you are describing life in Gaza! What about the fact that Israel dropped white phosphorus bombs on Gaza until people protested? Clearly this is not a fair fight - life is far more difficult in Gaza than Israel and this all occurred due to a decision made in WWI. The decision was made by people that had no right to make the decision that Palestine was to become the home of Zionism. Now that the Palestinians and Jewish people are intertwined the solution has to be found in living together understanding that this was not a good decision. Hopefully solutions can be found in desiring better lives for human beings looking beyond race, colour and creed and knowing that harming children is the worst the humanity can be.

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 12:52 pm
Of course, the hasbara are merely once again being hypocritical, because they have personally never had to live under Israeli missiles, rockets, artillery and naval shells, tank projectiles relentlessly poured down upon civilian populations day and night. With jets, helicopters and drones constantly in the air, warships off your coast, and enemy troops massed not just on your border, but among the population. They've never had to live under Israel's heinous form of apartheid, it's collective punishment, its oppression, its racist discrimination, its daily humiliations.

None of which prevents the hasbara from speaking out about this conflict. All it amounts to is reprehensibly trying to impose a deceitful double standard to silence critics.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 1:09 pm
Darlene, B.S. Where did you study history?

Bruce, bet??

* They've never had to live under Israel's heinous form of apartheid, it's collective punishment, its oppression, its racist discrimination, its daily humiliations.* B.S.

Have YOU ever lived under ANY of it?


Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 1:12 pm
Carrie, want to describe your daily near death life for the past 94 years???

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 1:16 pm
Oops, Bruce that was an accident ~ you know what ~ HaHa! Please disregard.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 1:49 pm
Barbara: The Balfour Declaration was on the table in WWI. It was a problem at this time and was not adopted. It would have been wise to pay attention to the dissension regarding Palestine as a site for a Jewish national home. It was not an "official" decision but clearly one that was being pursued in the long run and manifested after WWII. We are now in an unofficial WWIII with Israel and Gaza being the epicentre of this long standing dispute that has even deeper roots in the ancient past. How far and how deep this dispute goes is anyones guess but clearly it has to be solved and healed. What is happening on Planet Earth now is very dangerous and a lesson for us to learn to live in peace. WE have already done immense damage. The question is how far are we going to go before we realize that war is always the wrong thing to do? As I have said before this is bigger than just about Israel and Palestine. It is about who we are as human beings. I have to believe that the majority of people on Earth will speak for peace and put an end to the atrocities happening in the Middle East. The whole world is involved in this area one way or the other. If more people understood this and people stood for peace rather than who is right or wrong here it would be a day to celebrate!

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 2:13 pm
For those curious, Barbara's parapraxis (commonly known as a Freudian slip) was to send me a green star for the hornet's nest analogy.

Carrie B (306)
Monday November 17, 2014, 2:13 pm
But Barbara, ~ you know everything about everyone.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 3:20 pm
Actually, Bruce it wasn't. I clicked the wrong button.

Actually, Carrie, I only know everything about some people. I know something about many people. Others I don't waste time wondering about.

Darlene, there never was a palestine or palestinian people. There were the semitic tribes of Palestinae and the Levant. *palestinians* are Egyptian/Syrian/Trans-Jordanian immigrants.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 3:37 pm
palestine 3,360 rockets 50 days

Israel 25,000+ rockets 5,475+ days

Terrorist attacks ONLY from 1993 to present:

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 4:13 pm
Darlene, the Zionists are simply engaging in their form of Holocaust denial again, because there has always been a Palestinian people, regardless of how they identified themselves. As numerous DNA tests have proven, both Palestinians and Jewish people have Canaanite ancestry. In fact, Palestinian DNA reflects all of the people who have lived in that area, including Jews. A number of Palestinians are likely former Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam. Most Jewish DNA reflects a far greater proportion of European ancestry than does Palestinian DNA (who are thought to have inherited their trace ancestry from Greek and Roman rule, as well as the Crusades). This Zionist propaganda is not given serious consideration in academic circles. Moreover, it is a moot point, because it makes the ludicrous proposal that people whose ancestors may or may not have lived in a place for thousands of years have some inherent right to colonize that land, usurping the rights of the current indigenous people. Which demonstrates the inherent racism in Zionism.

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 4:16 pm
Actually, Carrie, nobody knows everything about anybody else--even our spouses and children. And the hasbara repeatedly demonstrates it knows much less than it thinks it does.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 4:18 pm
You goyische keep playing that Holocaust card like you've got high cards ~ trouble is they're aces and eights.

Never been a palestine or palestinians ~ EXCEPT SEMITES.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 4:21 pm
Barbara: Deflecting by using semantics and numbers does not address the root problem of it is unacceptable for anyone to be using force for any agenda. There is a bigger issues here of who are we as human beings. Continuing to quibble about the meanings of words and how many bombs are being dropped (where did you get your #'s?) is dismissing the point of the deeper issue of that it is never the right thing to do to murder people and drop bombs on them. It is no different bombs dropped on the people of Israel or the people of Palestine - Jewish people living in Palestine can be called Palestinians if you want to focus on semantics - it is never OK to drop bombs on anyone and certainly not acceptable to drop bombs on people that are disadvantaged which the people of Palestine clearly are. Israel is backed by the NATO countries, billions of dollars and billions of dollars in weapons. How did this happen? There are more questions than answers to what is going on in this region but the bottom line is that children are being harmed and this is never acceptable. We are a reflection of how we care for our children and the life on Planet Earth. This is a loud call to do better and stop trying to justify the atrocities against Humanity that are happening in this area of the world and around the world to disadvantaged people that are pawns in the game of war. This is a lose, lose situation for the people being bombed, the people doing the bombing and for the people making and funding these bombs. That is what speaking for peace is all about - not taking sides but looking at the bigger picture of what it is to live life with respect and dignity.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 17, 2014, 7:37 pm
Israel built shelters and defense systems.
hamas built tunnels, high rise hotels, shopping malls, luxury palaces.
gaza has received over $5 BILLION in international aid. What's being done with it? Have the palestinians benefiitted?
What good is your brand of peace if it means the annihilation of Israel?
RESEARCH, young lady.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Monday November 17, 2014, 8:05 pm
Who said anything about the annihilation of Israel. The aim would be to live together as good neighbours. If talking #'s Israel gets more money than any other Country. How much does Israel spend on bulldozing Palestinian homes? Israel is spending the money given on genocide - it is pretty clear. I would say stop giving so much more money to Israel - level the playing field and see what happens while all the time speaking to how important it is to live together in peace. Thinking that any other human is better than another is what is keeping this money/war game going that causes so much grief and suffering. We don't have to live like this. There are plenty of groups that want peace. Why not give the money to these groups and see what they can do with it rather than continue to give this money to the military. For some reason we spend more money on war than on peace and this has to change.

Carrie B (306)
Monday November 17, 2014, 8:15 pm
You don't seem to mind Israel annihilating Palestine and Palestinians, Barbara. That to you seems fair, ~ as long as Israel is untouched. Such a double standard you have.

And by the way, not everyone feels the need to solicit sympathy or pity from others by sharing their complete life story.

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 9:07 pm
The usual hasbara ploy attempting to falsely portray the bully (Israel) that is beating up on the cripple (Palestinians) as victim, when it is the Palestinians who have always been the greater victims of racist Zionism. And, naturally, more hasbara propaganda lies. Even the Israeli government doesn't claim 25,000 total rockets fired by Palestinian militants.

The hasbara omits the salient fact that the vast majority of the rockets are fired when Gaza is being attacked by Israel. The remainder are typically in response to other Israeli provocations. They omit the salient fact that a sizable portion of the crude rockets malfunction and either don't make it into Israel or fail to detonate. Some even have the explosive payload removed in an apparent bid to increase their range.

And of course the hasbara never mentions the far more numerous Israeli missiles, rockets, naval and artillery shells, bombs, and tank projectiles used to kill and terrorize Palestinians--all vastly more lethal than any mortar or Quassam rocket, and resulting in exponentially far more deaths of innocent Palestinians. The ratio is over 100 to 1. The injury ration is even higher, with the Palestinian injuries tending to be more serious on the whole. The damages inflicted by Israel are likewise highly disproportionate.

Even if one combined the explosive payload of all the militant rockets and mortars fired since 2001, it wouldn't come close to the over twenty thousand tons of explosive Israel dropped in the densely populated small area of Gaza in just the latest operation earlier this year. Weapons experts have estimated that the amount of ordinance Israel used in Operation Protective Edge was the equivalent of six nuclear bombs! Try to imagine if Boston, which is similar and size and population density, got hit by six nuclear bombs.

Here is a breakdown of ALL the Israeli fatalities from BOTH militant rocket and mortar attacks since 2001. Compare it with the 2200 Palestinians--70-75% of them innocent civilians--that Israel massacred in just 51 days in Gaza this summer.

Total fatalities in the history of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza into Israel: 44

Civilians: 30 (including 2 killed at military posts)

Soldiers: 14

Rocket fatalities only: 23

Total fatality-producing strikes: 32 (19 rocket, 13 mortar)

Total rocket and mortar fatalities incurred in Israel during major Israeli “anti-rocket” military offensives: 27

Operation “Cast Lead”: December 27, 2008–January 18, 2009
Operation “Pillar of Cloud”: November 14, 2012–November 21, 2012
Operation “Protective Edge”: July 8, 2014–August 26, 2014


According to Israel, militants fired a total of 4,564 rockets and mortars during Operation Protective Edge, of which 875 rockets failed to even reach Israel. Additionally, Israel has reported that a number of those were intercepted by its U.S. supplied anti-missile systems. Compare this to the totals of Israel's use of much more powerful weapons during the same time frame:

--5,830 missiles in 4028 IAF air raids
--16,507 artillery and tank shells
--3,494 naval shells

Keeping in mind that each Israeli ordinance is much more lethal and reliable than anything the militants used, the tally comes to 25,831 Israeli, compared to just 4,564 militants, or less than 18%. If the militant rockets that malfunctioned or were intercepted are subtracted, the disparity of course becomes even greater.

Here's an interesting bit that also helps clarify the situation:

"But a closer examination of Hamas’ military capabilities and goals reveals a very different picture. Most of Hamas’ arsenal is comprised of homemade rockets that are decidedly incapable of inflicting mass civilian casualties, flattening apartment blocks, or causing conflagrations that consume entire cities. “Hamas’ rockets can kill people and they have,” a counter-intelligence veteran of the U.S. CIA who spent his career monitoring Israeli and Palestinian military capabilities told me recently, “but compared to what the Israelis are using, the Palestinians are firing bottle rockets.” Far from justifying the ground campaign in Gaza, the nature of Hamas’ arsenal makes Israel’s ongoing military operation entirely counterproductive."

Bruce C D (89)
Monday November 17, 2014, 9:23 pm
I see the hasbara still insisting on their despicable, contemptible form of Holocaust denial, which has been repeatedly debunked already. It's just a convenient way for ignorant racist Zionists attempt to make the inconvenient indigenous Palestinian people 'disappear.' It's the same kind of hateful thinking that led to the actual disappearance of 6 million Jews.

Stan B (123)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 1:16 am
News just in.

" Four people are dead and thirteen people are injured Tuesday morning, after two Arab terrorists entered a synagogue on Agassi Street in Jerusalem's Har Nof neighborhood bearing guns, axes, and knives. The terrorists began attacking worshippers, stabbing them, before opening fire. Initial footage of the attack has now surfaced. Shots can be heard fired in the background.

Police who arrived at the scene shortly after the shooting began shot both attackers dead, it has now been confirmed."Two terrorists entered a Jewish seminary in Har Nof in Jerusalem armed with a pistol and an axe and there are seven people injured," police spokeswoman Luba Samri said in a statement. "The two terrorists were neutralized." Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld confirmed that four people died from the attack. Medics are currently at the scene treating the wounded, as photos from social media show. "One of the worshipers came out full of blood, and said - there was a massacre," a witness told IDF Radio. "Police took 11 minutes to arrive and paramedics arrived five minutes later." Arie Shavit, a volunteer medic for United Hatzalah, spoke to Arutz Sheva Tuesday shortly after the shooting. He was one of the first to arrive at the scene. "Two terrorists infiltrated the synagogue and massacred worshipers during prayer," he stated, noting they were "wearing prayer shawls and phylacteries." "I and other volunteers of United Hatzalah provided primary care to a number of casualties suffering from different injuries, and unfortunately some of them were injured critically," he continued. "The Police came and neutralized the terrorists. This was an attack - one which included shootings and stabbings."

More hasbara Bruce? You must be dancing up and down with glee at this news.

There is no possibility of a two state solution with these evil scumbags. Israel needs to give up on the idea and come up with a new policy. The notion of a Palestinian state should be taken off the table until these madmen evolve into something that passes for civilized.

Barbara. You have the patience of a saint.

Stan B (123)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 1:19 am
Perhaps this is what Israel needs to do.

" Twenty-five-year old Dalia Lemkos will not see her 26th birthday. Dalia Lemkos had her throat slashed by a Jihadi, one of the wanton terrorist attacks incited by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

The Palestinian Authority and its apologists justify such acts as a consequence of Israeli policies. You can run over a young woman with a beautiful soul and then slit her throat because you were compelled to do so.

You had no choice.

Dalia Lemkos was on the cusp of life. She had not yet had children. She had not yet married. She volunteered at Yad Sarah, a group that provides medical assistance to a half a million people a year. She was studying to be a physical therapist because she liked helping people.

Her assailant was a thug who had been let out of jail because of American pressure brought on Israel to bring the Palestinians to the negotiating table – a policy that resulted in the freeing of murders to get Palestinians to sit before the cameras’ lenses and pretend to seek peace.

Palestinians sing a popular refrain, “Run Them Over, Blow Them Up.” A billboard in Nazareth calls for killing Jews. A music video aired on Jordanian television glorifies running over Jewish pedestrians. This what and who the Palestinians really are.

Jews will be killed – for the unrelenting, unending war of attrition now has found a way to make every man or woman who can drive a car a terrorist.

And the beatification of murders goes on, even one who rammed his car into a crowd of pedestrians and killed a three-month-old baby, whom Hamas called a female settler.

The world is silent about this new blood letting. One can only imagine the flurry of activity at the United Nations if Jews were ramming cars into Palestinians, and Jewish leaders were calling for more atrocities.

The Obama Administration calls for calm, when it is not calling Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, chicken***t or contradicting General Martin Dempsey for going off script and announcing to the world that Israel worked tirelessly to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza war.

Meanwhile, Europeans have found the answer to the conflict in a rush to recognize a Palestinian state, one that has neither boundaries nor a capital, as if what the entire world needs is another command and control center for Jihadis to launch attacks against Jews.

No boundary, no capital, no acquiescence of the holiest place in Judaism will give the Muslims what they want – the removal of the Jewish stain that blights their honor.

Nothing Israel does, short of not responding to the newest campaign in the war of Islamic attrition, will satisfy this administration – and even that might not do it.

As innocent Jewish blood is spilled and the Palestinians glorify it in song and through lionizing murders, what option does Israel have?

The answer lies in the mentality and ideology of the Palestinians themselves. The Palestinians have always said that Israel must look East rather than West.

So, why not think like a Palestinian? After all, the rest of the world seems to endorse such thinking.

Collective responsibility: an act of terrorism is no longer an individual act. It is an act incited and rewarded by political leaders. For every Israeli that falls to terrorism, build a settlement in his or her name. If an Arab community produces a series of terrorist attacks, hold it accountable. Replace it or surround it with settlements.

If the mere act of being a Jew makes one part of some wider “collective guilt,” then certainly an act of terrorism can be viewed in the same way. What’s good for the Palestinians can also be good for the Israelis!

People commit acts of terrorism for the same reason they sell something – there is a profit in it. Remove the profit by increasing the costs, and they go out of business.

If a street in East Jerusalem is blocked and becomes a staging ground for thugs seeking to kill innocent motorists, level the neighborhood. Pave it over and make the street wider.

Either the Israelis will be destroyed by attrition because their people will get tired of burying their young, living under a state of siege and leave, or they will make a drastic change in policy.

The international community, you say, will not tolerate a strong response, especially the Obama Administration. So, what will they do? They will call your prime minister, chicken***t; they will falsely accuse you of war crimes, demand that you release murders, and restrain you from avenging your dead? Or, perhaps, they will recognize a non-existent Palestinian state and shred every agreement you ever signed with your enemy? Maybe, they will withhold an arms resupply during the midst of a war? Or worse, they will cut a deal with Iran and make it a nuclear power, a threat to your very existence, and prevent you from taking action?

The international community has done all of this!

Arab intellectuals tell me Israel must accommodate itself to the local culture. Indeed, the local culture enshrines collective responsibility and collective guilt. It is time for Israel to learn from the Palestinians what that means."

Abraham H. Miller is an emeritus professor of political science, University of Cincinnati and a contributor to the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 4:05 am
Thank you Stan & Barbara . They will only learn when they get blown away . It will happen . They will wait until someone comes to save whatever is left of them,which wont be much . They have never shot anyone or been shot at . Patience . It will happen . They will be found with their heads on their ass . Patience, the cat always gets the mouse in the end .

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 4:19 am
Ros, What has the Muslim controlled UN got to do with what is happening in Israel? Israel is a sovereign nation just as America is.

Bruce, I see that you are rewriting history and not doing a very good job of it either. "the vast majority of the rockets are fired when Gaza is being attacked by Israel." Rockets are fired daily from Gaza and for 8 years Israel ignored it. So, please explain how you arrived at this description.

"Most of Hamas’ arsenal is comprised of homemade rockets that are decidedly incapable of inflicting mass civilian casualties, flattening apartment blocks, or causing conflagrations that consume entire cities. “Hamas’ rockets can kill people and they have,” a counter-intelligence veteran of the U.S. CIA who spent his career monitoring Israeli and Palestinian military capabilities told me" but they have killed people and they have destroyed buildings which also kills people as well as causing severe psychological and emotional trauma. I don't see anybody offering Israel aid to rebuild. And, if someone keeps attacking you with whatever weapons they have then eventually you are entitled to protect yourself. Hamas causes most of the deaths in any war because they are known to use their own people and children as human shields

What you ignore is that Gaza was given to the Palestinians in the HOPE of peace which the terrorists groups have clearly stated will never happen and used it as a base to attack Israel. I hear a lot of wittering about Palestinians who are killed by Israelis but nothing from people, such as yourself, about the death of Israelis by Palestinians. The recent murder of 3 Israeli youths or even the death of a dangerous person, a 3 month old baby girl! And as Stan has just mentioned, 4 men in a synagogue and these people were all chosen as soft targets. I don't see any attacks on armed police.

I also see your contemptible attack on the Holocaust. It is obvious that you have no knowledge of history. Hitler was friends with Husseini and admired him. Hitler had 3 units of the SS solely staffed by Muslims and he had their support in the Middle East. Husseini merely continued with Hitler's work, the estermination of the Jews. Although over 10 million died in the camps (modern historians believe it may be nearer 15 million) some 6 million were Jews. The camps were set up solely for the murder of Jews and, because they were there it became convenient to use for these others. The Muslims have this same attitude. And Bruce, they are still likely to kill you as me despite your sychophantic suppport.

And, as for Palestinian treatment in Israel, it is a lot better than any Jew in Gaza. Oh, let me see, the Palestinians threw them all out and are currently ethnically cleansing it of any remaining Christian. So, if you accuse Israel of ill treating a minority, a country which treats all people with the same access to all facilities including being an MK, what does that make Gaza?

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 4:24 am
It is interesting that the first story I uploaded was a petition for a black woman, in America, who had suffered a grave miscarriage of justice and was jailed for failing to protect her children from her abusive partner. So few people have noted the story or signed the petition. I take it that black Americans fall below your horizen despite claims of interest in human suffering because they aren't Muslims.

Rahman Qureshi (27)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 5:28 am
I see the typical hypocrites like Ros G. and Bruce are on here, feigning moral outrage. Where are your comments on the Pakistani Christian couple tortured and burned alive for supposedly "desecrating a Qur'an"? The pregnant wife was stabbed in the stomach until blood came out. The couple was tortured, had their legs broken, dragged by a tractor and set on fire in the brick kiln where they worked, in front of their 2 small children. The wife would not burn so the Muslims wrapped her in cotton and held her over the fire until she burned alive.

Three mosques incited religious hatred by blaring over mosque loudspeakers, drawing hundreds of Muslims to torture and murder the innocent Christian couple.

There is no "he had a knife" dispute. There is nothing the Christians did, except be Christian in a Muslim-majority land and defenseless against Islam-motivated murderous hatred against minorities.

As of now, there are only 33 notes, yet this anti-Israeli article has almost double the notes. That speaks volumes of how anti-Jew hate brings people on care2 out, but when it comes to 100% victims of Islamic hatred, only a few people have consciences.

How many of you, Ros and Bruce and others like you, have signed onto the petition to free Asia Bibi? She is a Christian mother of young children and on DEATH ROW in Pakistan for daring to drink water that Muslims drunk from. Because the Qur'an (Sura 98:6, 8:55, 9:28) is hate speech, it caused the Muslim women to scorn her that a filthy Christian drank from their water. For those of you in America, just imagine Jim Crow on steroids. They beat her almost to death, trying to get her to deny her faith. She refused and defended her faith, and they charged her with "blasphemy" against Muhammad, which carries the DEATH SENTENCE in "tolerant peaceful majority of Muslims" Muslim-majority countries like Pakistan.

She has been kept in prison for years, having appeals denied. Ros G and Bruce, where is your fury in speaking out for her? There are only two choices: either you like that Christians are made to suffer for simply being Christian among Muslims, or you know that you are hypocrites and therefore avoid drawing attention to Muslim atrocities against religious minorities so that you can advance the false "big bad Israelis picking on the peaceful Muslims" narrative.

The reason hypocrites like Bruce and Ros don't go to those articles to draw support for Christian victims of Islam is because such news destroy the "Israel is the aggressor and Muslims are the victims" lie. This false narrative is kept alive by ignoring how Muslims treat non-Muslims when Muslims are in the majority. When people see the real nature of Islam displayed where Muslims are dominant, then they are able to see that the Muslims ARE the aggressors everywhere, including with Israel.

Muhammad was a master manipulator. He mastered the art of crying victim while being the instigator. The nature of Muslims can be summed up in two Arabic words which all need to know, because Islam is 7th century Arab culture codified as a "religion".


This was Muhammad's modus operandi and therefore the modus operandi of the Muslim world. So, what do these two words mean?

"Show a victim's face and you will take over"

This is EXACTLY how Muhammad operated, and since the Qur'an teaches Muslims 91 times that Muhammad is the perfect man to follow, al-Insan al-Kamil, that is why Muslims victimize and cry victim, and gullible people fall for it but educated people see right through it and do not fall for it.

Muslims joined with Hitler to exterminate Jews, and that was well before 1948 for those of you who say "all this conflict is because of Israeli aggression". The reason the leader of the Muslim world, Jerusalem Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini was best buddies with Hitler and helped raised tens of thousands of volunteer Muslims to fight with the Nazis with the Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Muslim Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division, was because of shared Jew hatred. These Muslim SS divisions were white Muslims by the way, for those of you whom think it is 'white-skinned Jews against the poor brown Palestinians'. Muhammad was a white man who hated Jews.

These Muslim divisions were responsible for some of the worst war crimes in Nazi history, and their ruthlessness is because of Islam. Bosnian Waffen SS Muslims slaughtered 90% of Bosnia's Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Muslims for Hitler were recruited because of Islamic Jew hatred, again, BEFORE 1948. Since hatred of Christians is also part of Islamic doctrine, that is why the Muslims burned Christian Serb churches and villages.

The end game between the alliance of the Muslim leader and Hitler was extermination of all Jews. Actually, Hitler was less extreme because he wanted to send Jews to Palestine (Israel), but the Mufti said no, to kill the Jews.

Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be exterminated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. This is because of Islamic doctrine-inspired hatred of Jews.

Husseini led to Arafat and the PLO and Hamas and the current state. Hamas makes it clear in their charter, which can be found at, that their genocidal hatred of Jews goes back to Muhammad. For people like Ros and Bruce who may not know, Muhammad did not live in the 20th century but the 6th and 7th century. And to help you with timelines, when Muhammad was inciting Jew hatred, that was 13 CENTURIES before the re-creation of Israel in 1948. Hamas, in Article 7, openly and clearly state that Muhammad and his god Allah are the source of their genocidal Jew hatred. They are simply the modern day terrorist Muhammad's carrying out his thirst for Jewish blood. Here is Article 7 of the Hamas Charter:

The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Muslims actually like that most of the world's Jews are in one place in Israel, so Muslims can execute them all to bring about this genocidal end times fulfillment of Islamic doctrine. For those who don't know, al-Bukhari and Muslim, cited at the end of the genocidal quote, are the most authoritative books in Islam, second only to the Qur'an, which by the way refers to Jews as pigs and apes (Sura 5:60, 7:166).

ISLAM is what drives genodical Jew hatred, period. It is not the "big bad Israelis picking on the poor Muslims" which caused Muslims to hate Jews, it is Muhammad and his god and his book which incited genocidal Jew hatred 1400 centuries ago!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 6:38 am
And I suppose during WWII, the two of you would have (did?) advocated sitting down with Hitler and the Reich and making nice-nice peace talks instead of bombing Germany ~ after Germany had bombed and strafed Spain, France, England, The Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Russia.......

Carie, Darlene, you need TWO WILLING participants. When...EVER...has any palestinian advocated peace taks, attented peace talks, not stomped out of peace talks all knickered up? TWO WILLING PARTICIPANTS. Their answer to peace is acclerated violence and obviously they have mastered terrorism and has become very obvious here.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 8:41 am
Barbara: This is a perfect example of bringing up Hitler to justify the genocide against the people living in Palestine now. This is a very different circumstance. Hitler was well funded and organized. The Palestinians are not. Mentioning the acts of people that are full of hatred rather than focusing on people who want to live in peace fans the flames of hatred. The flames of hatred are constantly being fanned trying to justify murdering people. That is what is very sad about humanity is that we keep on dragging up murder and hatred - if we keep doing this we will live in perpetual war and hatred. We always have a choice. Many people on Earth want to rise above this hatred that turns human against human. We are all human beings. As I said peace is the road less travelled and will take more courage and dignity to walk down this road than to continue to be hateful and demand an eye for an eye. World leaders of NATO must speak for peace rather than taking sides and continuing to justify murder. WE are all pawns in the War games on Planet Earth. Do we have the determination and dignity to say NO MORE and speak for peace no matter what happens. There will always be those that use terror to control others but we can never let that make us forget that we are better than this. If more world leaders stood up and spoke for peace rather than defended Israel we might get somewhere. This is not the time to take sides but to go the higher principles that take us to a place where we can heal and live with respect and dignity. There is no honour or respect in what is happening in the Middle East and we need more people to speak up that there is a better way to live. The media fans the flames of hatred. Politicians are not making a real effort to heal these deep wounds because war sadly is so profitable. As I grow older I can see this where I did not see this when I was younger. It is up to the adults on Planet Earth to say this is wrong. Sadly many "adults" are participating and profiting from the grief and suffering of others. No matter what I will always speak to the higher picture no matter what has happened in the past and hold the VISION OF PEACE ON EARTH. That is how we create our reality. We have to have a vision of what it would be like to life in peace. Even you Barbara quoted Gandhi: "An eye for an eye will leave everyone blind." I would rather honour people like Gandhi then say the Palestinians are like Hitler. How will we ever heal if we do not always remember people like Gandhi who understood on such a profound level what we have to do to achieve peace. Not one of our world leaders is like Gandhi now. We have a long difficult road ahead of us but it is a road worth walking down. PEACE.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 8:43 am
Hmmm, what have we here, the hate brigade? Funny how they all turned up at once, one week after this submission was posted, and only after the hasbara effort is failing. None of the new arrivals which are actually commenting on the article, and most of which have little to do with the discussion. Mainly just composed of Muslim/Palestinian bashing and hasbara propaganda. Coincidence? For those who believe in the tooth fairy, maybe.

By the way, Stan, clumping all Palestinians together and calling them "evil scumbags" and "madmen" is racist, and you are posting an article suggesting collective punishment--something in which Israel already engages that is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and International Law.

Using your rationale, since Jewish-Israeli also commit acts of terrorism and commit brutal violence against Palestinians--like the three Jews ganging up on an innocent Palestinian, pouring gasoline down his throat, wrapping a tire around him, and then lighting him aflame to burn alive--then there is nothing wrong with calling all Jews "evil scumbags" and "madmen," right?

Rahman Quereshi, where was your outrage over the incident described above? Where is your outrage over this incident in the article? Using your logic, since Lenin and many of the Bolsheviks had Jewish ancestors and killed millions of Russians, that makes it OK to blame or discredit all Jews for anything for eternity, right?

Same question to you, Penny--where's your outrage? Also, how come you didn't note this story? Why are you trying to rewrite history? The information on the rockets is from the Israeli government, if you are disputing the figures, take it up with them.

Shil O (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 8:55 am
Personally speaking the police should have invited him in for a cup of tea and submitted him to a deradicalisation program . It must be borne in mind that behaviour like this is all they are capable of,after all when you revere a desert bandit ,who thieved,murdered,tortured,raped and constantly wished for the death of all Jews you don't seriously mean to tell me they are normal.
I am convinced many of them post on care2 using western names as no rational person could possibly defend their barbaric actions
the film clip other hand it is probably a pallywood movie made ex post facto.
anyway I see the circus of clowns is present so any serious commenting is unwarranted unless you want to cater to their combined inanities


Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 9:01 am
Who is the "they" to which you are referring, Shil O., when you say, "It must be borne in mind that behaviour like this all they are capable of..."??

Apparently, making racist remarks is what passes for "serious commenting" among certain hasbara.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 9:25 am
Any human being that uses terror or force against another human being is wrong no matter what race, creed, colour, age sex. We have to rise above racial, religious differences and talk as human beings that it is always wrong to harm another. This is the Universal truth. Fighting about how many are dead, past wars and atrocities is not going to take us forward to healing and living in peace. It is an outrage against the human spirit whenever a human being is knowingly harmed. ALL life if precious and nobody has the right to harm another for their own personal gain. I cannot repeat that enough. What we have on Planet Earth is the ugly pot of hatred constantly being stirred by both political and religious leaders and the Media loves this and profits by it. We have to rise above this, speak directly and honestly to the atrocities being committed , say it is wrong and that we as human beings are better than this. We can do better and live together in cooperation with the intention to create a system where life comes first. Imagine what we could do if we all worked together and honoured our differences and focus on what is best from all of our different ways of life and cultures. I have had Muslim friends and Israeli friends. I enjoy them both. I make it my intention to talk to people from all different walks of life and culture. There is so much to learn and to enjoy from one another. Lets stop these crimes against humanity and start honouring and enjoying our differences. This is going to be along hard road as so much grief has happened between human beings but the alternative of fighting until we are all wounded and/or dead is not where we want to end up either. Vive la differences. Let's celebrate humanity! We have to start somewhere person by person until the desire to live and learn is stronger than the desire to harm and control. PEACE!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 10:11 am
Wrong or dead, Darlene. You choose. Jerusalem ain't Tory Hill; try walking down Ben-Yehuda eyeing every stranger's jacket or robes for lumps, odd, shapes, glints of metal. Terrified to get on a city bus. Terrified that your son will have his hand blown off by your friends newest weapon ~ firworks. Terrified that your daughter will be stabbed to death in broad daylight on the city street. Terrified that you 3mo grand-daughter will be killed when a terrorist plows into the crowd at a bus stop.
No, Darlene, don't go there. Your friends also brought polio to Israel....

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 10:31 am
I see Barbara needed reinforcements to continue her attack, and let's discuss how much the poor Israelis are suffering at the hands of the Palestinians, ~ but not how much the Palestinians are suffering at the hands of Israel. If you really want to blame someone for all of the suffering, ~ blame your cowardly leader Netanyahu. You seem to suggest that the world should feel sorry for Israel's self inflicted suffering. Perhaps if they stopped stealing land, lifted the blockade, and gave Palestine it's freedom, ~ life would be better for both sides. That won't happen as long as 'Butcher Ben' continues his unrelenting genocide of the Palestinian people, ~ and the continued theft of Palestinian land.

I am really sick of hearing about all the Israeli suffering, when Gaza lays in ruins because of Israel. You really have no conscience or sense of moral ethics ~ and I find that both frightening and contemptible!

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 10:35 am

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 10:55 am
Carrie, why do you never criticise the Palestinians or the suffering that they cause? Where is your sympathy for the unarmed men murdered in a synagogue? The death of a 3 month old baby girl? The young girl who had her throat slashed?

I have been reading your comments and see nothing but hatred for Israel and Jews, like Bruce and jess. Sadly, the impression that I get from all of you, especially Bruce, is that if you were in Germany under Hitler, you would be volunteering to work in the camps for free. What is worse, I sincerely doubt that that any of you would refuse treatment or facilities designed by the very people that you are attacking here, like Abbas and his family.

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:05 am
My sympathy lies with all those suffering on both sides, but the blame is primarily at Israel's doorstep. Israel acts, ~ Palestine reacts. Your comment about Germany and Hitler is offensive and untrue. Try to temper your outrage with less inappropriate rhetoric.

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:08 am
Thank you Penny . I could not have said it better . I think it bothers them that the ghetto Jew is no more .

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:13 am

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:18 am
Allen, like any rational person, ~ I am outraged by what happened to the Pakistani couple, ~ but what does that have to do with Israel and Palestine? Or are you of the mind that all Muslims are bad?

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:26 am
The Palestinians and people of IsRaEl are both living in terror - FOR WHAT? - terrible decisions that their ancestors made and the children of BOTH Israelis and the the people living in Gaza are paying for it. ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS. I have said that over and over. Not one human being on Planet Earth no matter what their religion, creed, colour, age, sex, race ever deserves to be harmed by another human being for profit or any other reason. We are given life to live, grow and learn not to terrorize and dehumanize one another. We live on an amazing planet filled with life that if we focused on taking care and learning about life we would be very busy. We don't have to live by harming and abusing life. Focusing on past harms, instead of acknowledging that this is not a good way to live and moving forward together to create a better world being grateful for the vast diversity of life on Planet Earth will keep us stuck in the mud, hateful and blaming others. Lets focus on what is the best about life and go from there. If we focus on the terror we will continue to live in terror. Time to focus on what is good and great about humanity and the beauty of our Planet Earth - the great works of art, literature, music, architecture that every race, culture and creed have created when they focused on the bigger picture. We are what we focus on. We don't have to live like this. We can choose better. More people are speaking up about the atrocities around the planet being committed in the name of WHAT? For there to be peace there has to be acknowledgement from all people that we don't want this anymore, it is wrong and we can live a better life that honours all of us together. This is a huge undertaking but as I have said continuing to blame one another and stay in hatred will cause us to continue to live with this terror. We are all suffering now. Who is really truly enjoying this on a soul level. Even the wealthy if they took a good look at themselves know that what is happening on planet Earth is wrong. We all know this so what good is blaming one another going to do. WE need world leaders that will stand up for the right thing to do. Right now all we have is pockets of people that know better doing their best to speak for the higher vision of peace on Earth. If more people spoke up we will create a better world. We have the power - all we have to do is start to focus on our strengths and stop the blame game. Peace.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:42 am
MUSLIM TERRORISTS ARE BAD, CARRIE! palestinians, pakistanis, whatever. TERRORISM, CARRIE. Can you add 2+2 and not get 7, or what?
hamas and their palestinian cohorts are TERRORISTS and if you can't see that they don't give a damn about the glorious martyr/victims, then it's because you've got a full faceful of jess's *dreck*. Are they busy helping the *poor palestinians* or lanquishing in their palaces inciting more acts of terror?

HaHa, you make me laugh!! Me?? I need reinforcements??

Go talk to Darlene. She'll tell you how to make the world live in peace and harmony....with aromatherapy, fresh air, and smiles. Shall we all join hands??

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:44 am
You're right, Allen! Gol darn uppity Jews!!

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:44 am
Barbara, you sound hysterical and are becoming offensive. I suggest you calm down, and think before you strike that keyboard.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:49 am
Right, sure thing. I suggest you watch a world news broadcast today. Enough is enough.

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:50 am
Carrie , all your comments reek of anti Israel statements . Read the Koran and think . I had an Egyptian friend when I lived in America . He warned me and said that he knew I could kill him in seconds in hand to hand combat and that we are in America , all is cool . Hassan warned be and showed me what is written in the Koran . You dont know , but I do . What normal parent is happy her son is a shaheed ? They love death as you love life . You dont know the mentality . Col. Kemp, the commander of British forces in Afghanistan said no army does as much to prevent civilian casualties as the I.D.F. Think about it .

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:54 am
Barbara: Your hatred has got the best of you. You are obviously an intelligent, well read, knowledgeable person who is using their knowledge to continue the hatred rather than to look for solutions to move beyond this. I think and stand behind that it would be a glorious day on planet Earth if we could all circle round, hold hands and honour one another for the contributions that we make to making this a better world!

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 11:56 am
Barbara and Allen ~ you scream antisemitism, but preach Muslim hatred. How typical and sad. A double standard you obviously embrace.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:01 pm
Allen: There is no doubt that people are brainwashed on Planet Earth to hate and this is dangerous. We are trained every day by the media to hate. We have to fight this with all our hearts and souls. We do have to acknowledge that we are all susceptible to this darkness and that there is a deliberate active agenda to fuel hatred then to nurture respect for all life. We are in a very bad situation on Planet Earth. To say otherwise is to ignore the very real evil intentions that are shaping our world at the moment. That still does not mean that we have to stay stuck here and accept that this is the way it is. Having and holding higher visions of peace yet acknowledging that we have to address and heal the real hatred we are experiencing is holding a place where people can look at the darkness and know we can still choose better.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:05 pm
TERRORISM. If they were French, Irish, Bahamian, Hawaiian, Canadian, New Mexican......or palestinian, ISIS, Hezbollah, islamic jihad........
Terror is terror.
My Palestinian friends who escaped to the U.S. don't think like your palestinians.
Just remember who's screamin in joy and celebrating in the streets today.
Did you see Israeli parties during the conflict? Or when Israeli terrorists blew themselves up in crowded buses? Or when Israeli assasins stabbed young palestinians to death on the streets?

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:08 pm
"For anti-racist Jews and indeed all anti-racist humanitarians the core moral messages from the Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “bear witness”, “zero tolerance for lying” and “never again to anyone”, anyone including the Indigenous Palestinian victims of the racist Zionist Palestinian Genocide - 2 million dead since 1936, 0.1 million from violence, 1.9 million from war-, expulsion- and occupation-derived deprivation; 7 million refugees; 4.1 million Occupied Palestinians deprived of ALL the human rights listed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ; 6 million Palestinians forbidden to even live in the homeland continuously inhabited by their forbears to the very dawn of agrarian civilization; 0.9 million Palestinian children confined without charge or trial to what the Catholic Church and many others have described as Israel's Gaza Concentration Camp for the asserted "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians living in a tiny, remorselessly Zionist-bombed patch of Palestine.

UK Labour leader Ed Miliband's parents are anti-racist Jews who believe in justice for the 12 million Indigenous Palestinians of whom only the adults of the 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (i.e. about 7%) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus an ethnically cleansed slab of Syria. Ed Milliband as an elected politician in an ostensible democracy either believes in one man one vote NOW for everyone (including Palestinians) or he doesn't - if he doesn't he should be kicked out at the first opportunity by the Labor Party and the voters of Doncaster North.

Ed Miliband merely trots out the mantra "I support a two-state solution because I long for the peace that both Palestinians and Israelis need so badly" - yet if he had offered the same opinion about Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa "I support a two-state solution involving 90% of the country for the Whites and 10% for the majority Non-Europeans in uneconomic Bantustans" his political career would have been finished.

Disraeli (a convert to "God is an Englishman" Anglicanism) was a mass murderer complicit in the Irish Famine (1 million starved to death, 1-2 million forced into exile), the butchery of 10 million Indians in the decade after the 1857 Indian Rebellion, and genocidal atrocities in all parts of the British Empire, not least in India where 500 million Indians died avoidably from British imposed deprivation under Queen Victoria alone (1837-1901) (read my books "Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950" and "Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History" now available for free perusal on the Web ).

From an extremely charitable anti-racist Jewish perspective Ed Miliband is at the very least "confused" and should seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist Jews from Arendt to Zinn (Google "Jews Against Racist Zionism"). As a refugee from both the anti-racist and anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish tradition and from the anti-racist, anti-Zionist secular Jewish tradition, Ed Miliband should also seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist non-Jews including the likes of Nobel Laureates Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter, Máiread Maguire and José Saramago who have unequivocally condemned the ongoing Palestinian Genocide by Apartheid Israel (Google "Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism").

The situation in Palestine has been recently described as a Palestinian Holocaust by Palestinian scholar Dr Elias Akleh, exiled from his homeland and now living in the US. It has been frequently described by others as a Palestinian Genocide, a term that is amply justified in relation to the definitions of the UN Genocide Convention as outlined below.

Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention:
“In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) Killing members of the group; b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group”.

Using the latest available UN Agency data we can systematically analyze these UN Genocide Convention points thus.

“Intent to destroy in whole or in part" - sustained (and frequently asserted) intent over about 150 years of the Zionist colonial project; 0.75 million Palestinian refugees in 1948; currently 7 million Palestinian refugees, and 4.2 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UN in the Middle East; over 40 years of illegal Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; 0.1 million 1948-2011 violent Palestinian deaths, post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Apartheid Israeli war crimes.

a) Killing - about 5100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).

b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm - see (a) and the shocking UNICEF reports of the appalling conditions psychologically scarring OPT children:
(c) Conditions to cause destruction in whole or in part - see (a) and (b); Professor Noam Chomsky describes the OPT as a highly abusive "Prison"; others use the valid term "Concentration Camp" and make parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto; one has to turn to US-guarded Vietnamese hamlets and the Nazi era atrocities to see routine, horrendously violent and deadly military policing of civilian concentration camps.

(d) Measures intended to prevent births - see (a), (b), and (c) above; dozens of pregnant women dying at road blocks; other killing of pregnant Palestinian women; huge infant mortality in the OPT with the Occupier in gross violation of the Geneva Convention.

(e) Forcible transferring of children – irreversible transferring by killing of children - 0.2 million post-invasion infant deaths; 27 OPT children violently killed in the LAST WEEK ALONE; mass imprisonment of 2 million OPT children; hundreds of Palestinian children in abusive Israeli high-security prisons in Israel; forcible separation of families by racist Israeli Apartheid Laws, marriage laws and immigration laws.

For all anti-racist humanitarians - and anti-racist Jews in particular - the core moral messages from the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “never again to anyone”, “bear witness” and “zero tolerance for lying”.

However these sacred injunctions are grossly violated by the anti-Arab anti-Semitic racist Zionists running Apartheid Israel and their Western backers variously involved in the ongoing Palestinian Genocide, Iraqi Genocide and Afghan Genocide (post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; refugees totalling 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively, plus a further 2.5 million NW Pakistan Pashtun refugees) (for details and documentation see "Muslim Holocaust, Muslim Genocide": ).

All decent, anti-racist, humanitarians must vigorously oppose and sideline those supporting racist Zionism, Apartheid Israel and racist Western wars and occupations who are currently complicit in 0.7 million non-violent excess deaths annually; continuing, racist perversion of human rights, humanitarian values and rational discourse in the Western democracies; ignoring of worsening climate genocide (that may kill 10 billion non-Europeans this century through unaddressed man-made climate change); and egregious anti-Jewish anti-Semitism through falsely identifying decent, anti-racist Jews with these appalling crimes.

The Palestinian Genocide is part of the so-called US Alliance War on Terror that in horrible reality is a cowardly, racist US Alliance and racist Zionist War on Women and Children and a War on Palestinian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Syrian, Somali, Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, Pakistani, Arab, Muslim, Asian and non-European Women and Children.

As of mid-2009, in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories post-invasion non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 1.0 million and 3.2 million, respectively; post-invasion violent deaths total about 11,000, 1.3 million and up to 4 million, respectively; post-invasion violent plus non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively (plus a further 2.5 million Pashtun refugees in NW Pakistan). This constitutes a Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention; and egregious war crimes due in part to Occupier war criminal non-supply of life-sustaining food and medical requisites demanded unequivocally by Articles 55 and 56 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War – thus the Gaza Concentration Camp has been under US-backed Israeli blockade for 2 years and according to WHO the “total annual per capita medical expenditure” permitted by the Occupiers in Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan is US$124 and US$29, respectively, as compared to US$6,714 for the US.”

As of 2011:
In 1880 there were about 0.5 million Indigenous Palestinians. Of the 25,000 Jews in Palestine half were immigrants and Palestinian casualties of war violence total about 80,000 since 1948 and about 100,000 since 1936 (see “Palestinian casualties of war”.

However one must also consider avoidable Palestinian deaths from war-, expulsion- and occupation-imposed deprivation that now total about 1.9 million since 1948.

Palestinian refugees total about 7 million of whom about 5 million are registered with the UN

This has been a Palestinian Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".

According to the Israeli Foreign Ministry: “From 1920 through 1999, a total of 2,500 residents of Mandatory Palestine and, since 1948, the State of Israel fell victims to hostile enemy action; in most cases, terrorist attacks” and “1,218 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000”.

The race-based, racist Zionist-run Apartheid State of Israel is a democracy by genocide. Of about 12 million Palestinians only the adults of 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (21% of the Israeli population) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus part of Lebanon and a near-completely ethnically cleansed part of Syria, albeit as third class citizens. 1.8 million Occupied Palestinians are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp and 2.5 million Occupied Palestinians live under highly abusive military rule in West Bank Bantustans. About 6 million Palestinians are forbidden to even live in Palestine. There are 5.9 million Jewish Israelis and 0.3 million non-Jewish and non-Arab Israelis.

Since 1936, the ongoing Palestinian Genocide has involved about 2.0 million war- and occupation-related Palestinian deaths, 0.1 million Palestinians killed violently (see: ) , 1.9 million avoidable Palestinian deaths from war- , occupation- and expulsion-imposed deprivation, 7 million refugees. 3,000 Palestinian infants are passively murdered by Apartheid Israel each year, and 0.8 million Palestinian children are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp for the "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians.

Each year Apartheid Israel passively kills about 3,000 Occupied Palestinian infants, passively murders about 4,200 Occupied Palestinians through deprivation and violently kills another circa 600 Occupied Palestinians. Decent anti-racists around the World must Boycott Apartheid Israel and its racist supporters just as it successfully boycotted Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa after the Sharpeville Massacre. The racist Zionists and their supporters, notably the Neocon American and Zionist Imperialists (NAZIs), must be sidelined in public life as have been like racists such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, Apartheiders and KKK and the recent book “The Plight of the Palestinians”:

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:09 pm
Penny, why do you never criticize the Zionists or the tremendous suffering they cause? Where is your sympathy for the Palestinian youth horrifically burned alive by Jewish-Israeli terrorists? Why aren't you speaking out against the deaths of all the Palestinian babies and children killed by Zionists? The ethnic cleansing of 1,000,000 Palestinians by Zionists? The particularly heinous form of apartheid erected by Zionists? The cruel and brutal military occupation of Palestinian lands by Zionists? The illegal colonization of Palestinian lands? The racist discriminatory Zionist laws?

Should one conclude you're no better than Hitler? How about all the Jewish people speaking out against Zionist oppression of Palestinians? Are they anti-Semitic, too?

You've been a member here for only about a month, you've never inquired into my views before or even interacted with me, and yet you presume to judge other people you know nothing about. You have no comment on the article, but rather commence right in to making personal attacks. Revealingly, you make no objection to a number of racist remarks made by pro-Zionists here.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:18 pm
Barbara: Continuing to feed the hatred. Israelis do celebrate deaths of their enemy - all "enemies" are taught to do this. I have seen it for myself when I believed that Israel was in the right. I now know better that anyone who celebrates or believes in ENEMY is wrong and that ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS.There are both Palestinians and Israelis that celebrate the death of enemies and there are both Palestinians and Israelis who know this is wrong. It is a sad day when anyone loses their life due to hatred and fear and even sadder when these deaths are "celebrated". This is beyond if a person is Palestinian or Israeli but what is in a person's heart. Barbara you are continuing to try to justify that the Palestinians are worse than the Israelis when there is a bigger picture of what is right and what is wrong. It is always wrong no matter who you are to try to justify and celebrate the death of an "enemy". That is the higher truth.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:23 pm
Partial list of Jewish-Zionist massacres:

The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
Yehida Massacre
Khisas Massacre
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
Al-Sammou’ Massacre
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre
Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hilweh Massacre
Oyoun Qara Massacre
Siddiqine Massacre
Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre
The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre
The Jabalia Massacre
Aramta Massacre
Eretz Checkpoint Massacre
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Western Bekaa villages Massacre:
The Gaza Cast Lead Massacre (2008-2009)
The Mavi Marmara Massacre May 31, 2010
The Nakba Day Massacre May 15, 2011
The ongoing Silent or Silenced Massacre
The June 5 2011 Naksa Day Massacre
The Operation Protective Edge Massacre July-August, 2014

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:27 pm
Whatever Darlene. I suggest lavender with a small side of rosemary and a dash of basil.

Off topic. Just for Darlene. Read this sentence from a book I have and see if you see what I see. It's pretty funny>

*Currently I enjoy using lavender which I find creates a relaxing mood, elevates stress and often helps slow me down at the end of a busy day.*

ALLEN G (19)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:31 pm

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:32 pm
2001 ~ 2010 only. I can go back as far as you like..............

August 28, 2011 -- Eight people were wounded when a Palestinian man from Nablus attacked a Tel Aviv nightclub. The terrorist hijacked a taxi in Jaffa and rammed into an Israel Border Police checkpoint that had been set up to protect the event of over 2,000 people. He then jumped out of the taxi, shouted “Allahu Akhbar” and began stabbing bystanders and police.

August 18, 2011 -- A series of attacks targeted civilians in soldiers in southern Israel, killing eight people and wounding at least 31. Terrorists from Gaza infiltrated Israel via the border with Egypt, and fired on a civilian busses and vehicles, detonated explosives when IDF soldiers arrived on the scene of the attack, and then launched mortar shells at soldiers along the Israeli-Egyptian border.

April 7, 2011 – An anti-tank missile fired from Gaza at a clearly-marked yellow Israeli school bus driving near the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council wounded an Israeli teenager and the bus driver. The boy, 16-year-old Daniel Viflic, later died from his wounds in the hospital.

March 11, 2011 – Five Israelis, all members of the same family, were stabbed to death in their beds by two men, both believed to be Palestinian. The victims included father and mother Ehud and Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children, Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and three-month-old Hadas. The brutal murders, which occurred in Itamar, drew international condemnation from governments, the United Nations and the Middle East Quartet of nations.

September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.

August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in Washington, D.C.

July 22, 2008: Sixteen people were wounded when a man drove a bulldozer into a bus and four other vehicles in central Jerusalem. The attack was an attempted copycat of an earlier attack on Jerusalem’s Jaffa Road on July 2, 2008. The terrorist was shot dead by police.
July 2, 2008: An Arab resident of Jerusalem deliberately drove a bulldozer into pedestrians and vehicles in central Jerusalem, overturning and flattening a number of buses and cars. Three people were killed and 66 injured in the attack.
April 9, 2008: Two Israeli civilians were killed and two wounded when Palestinian terrorists attacked an Israeli-controlled border crossing where fuel is piped into Gaza. The attack at the Nahal Oz depot was carried out by members of various terrorist movements, including the Popular Resistance Committees.
March 6, 2008: Eight men, seven of them teenagers, were killed when a Palestinian gunman entered the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem and opened fire. The terrorist also wounded nine in the attack before he was killed at the scene.
February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Two terrorists entered the Mekor Hayim High School Yeshiva in Kfar Etzion, south of Jerusalem, and stabbed two students. The terrorists were killed by two of the counselors in the room. The Izaddin al-Kassam's Martyrs Brigades, the Hamas military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 28, 2007: Two Israelis were killed by Palestinian terrorists while hiking outside of Hebron. A third hiker managed to escape.
January 29, 2007: Three people were killed in a suicide bombing in a bakery in Eilat, the first suicide bombing in the city. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 25, 2006: Eliahu Asheri, 18, of Itamar, was kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists from the Popular Resistance Committees while hitchhiking from Betar Illit, southwest of Bethlehem, to Neveh Tzuf, where he was studying. His body was found on June 29 in Ramallah. Israeli Authorities believe Asheri was murdered by his captors shortly after his kidnapping.
April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".
March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.
January 19, 2006: At least 30 people were injured in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in southern Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 29, 2005: Three people were killed - two Palestinian civilians and an Israeli soldier - in a suicide bombing at a checkpoint near Tulkarm. The suicide bomber was apparently planning to target one of the many children's events taking place in Tel Aviv for the Hanukkah holiday, but was stopped at the checkpoint. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 5, 2005: Five people were killed and more than 50 others injured in a suicide bombing at the entrance of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 26, 2005: Six people were killed and 55 wounded in a suicide bombing in an outdoor market in the town of Hadera. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.
August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 4, 2005: An AWOL Israeli soldier killed four Israeli Arabs and wounded 12 on a bus in town of Shfaram. The shooter was killed by a mob that boarded the bus after the shooting.
July 23, 2005: Two people were killed and three others wounded in a drive-by shooting near the Kissufim crossing in the Gaza Strip. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 12, 2005: Five people were killed and 90 wounded in a suicide bombing outside of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 24, 2005: Two teenagers were killed and three others wounded in a drive-by shooting near Hebron. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 25, 2005: Five Israelis were killed and 50 other civilians were wounded in a suicide bombing outside a Tel Aviv nightclub. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 13, 2005: Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.
January 4, 2005: Two adults were lightly injured when a mortar shell, fired from Gaza Strip, hit a school bus near Nissanit. None of the children were wounded.
December 15, 2004: Five motorists, an officer, three soldiers and a civilian were wounded from gunshots fired by a terrorist at Israeli vehicles on the Kissufim road in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
November 1, 2004: Three people were killed when a suicide bomber exploded in Tel Aviv’s busy Carmel market. At least 32 were wounded. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
September 22, 2004: Two police were killed and at least sixteen people were injured when a suicide bomber detonated a bag packed with explosives at a crowded bus stop in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade, affiliated with Yasir Arafat’s Fatah, claimed responsibility. The slain police had stopped the 18-year old woman, Zainab Abu Salem from the Askar refugee camp near the West Bank city of Nablus, from approaching the bus stop, and she detonated the explosives.
August 31, 2004: Sixteen people, including a 3 year old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Beersheba were attacked within minutes of each other by suicide bombers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
July 11, 2004: One woman was killed and 32 people were injured when a bomb exploded next to a Tel Aviv bus stop. Fatah’s El-Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 28, 2004: A Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot, killing an Israeli man and a 4-year old Israeli child.
May 2, 2004: An Israeli woman, in her eighth month of pregnancy, was shot dead along with her four daughters when two Palestinian terrorists fired on their car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. After the car spun off the road after the initial attack, the terrorists approached the vehicle and shot the occupants at close range. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
March 14, 2004: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing in the area of the Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 22, 2004: A suicide bomber attacked a bus in the center of Jerusalem, killing 8 people and wounding 70. The Palestinian terrorist group Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
January 29, 2004: A suicide bomber attacked a bus in Jerusalem's Rehavia neighborhood, killing 11 people and wounding 50. The Palestinian terrorist group Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
January 14, 2004: A female suicide bomber killed four people and wounded 20 at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 13, 2004: An Israeli motorist was shot dead and three of his passengers were wounded when their car was fired upon by Palestinian terrorists near Talmon, west of Ramallah. The Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 25, 2003: A suicide bomber killed four people and wounded more than 20 in an explosion near a bus stop at Geha Junction in Petah Tikvah, a suburb of Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
October 15, 2003: Three Americans were killed and one wounded at the Beit Hanoun junction in the Gaza Strip when a massive bomb demolished an armor-plated jeep in a convoy carrying U.S. diplomats and CIA personnel. Both the militant Islamic Jihad and Hamas movements denied responsibility for the attack.
October 4, 2003: Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing at the Maxim restaurant in Haifa killing 20 people and wounding more than 60.
September 26, 2003: Eyal Yeberbaum, 27, and 7-month old infant Shaked Avraham were shot dead by a Palestinian terrorist who knocked on the door of a home in Negohot, south of Hebron, during a celebratory Jewish New Year holiday dinner. Islamic Jihad took responsibility for the attack.
September 9, 2003: Hamas claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings, the first at an entrance to the Tzrifin army base near Rishon Lezion and the second at Café Hillel in the German colony neighborhood of Jerusalem, which killed a total of 15 people and wounded at least 80.
August 19, 2003: Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 18 people and wounding nearly 100.
August 12, 2003: Suicide bombers killed two Israelis and wounded more than a dozen people in two attacks within a half hour of each other, one at a shopping mall in the Tel Aviv suburb of Rosh Ha’ayin and the other at the entrance of the West Bank town of Ariel. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the Rosh Ha’ayin bombing and Hamas claimed to have carried out the Ariel attack.
July 7, 2003: Mazal Afari, 65, of Moshav Kfar Yavetz was killed in her home and three of her grandchildren lightly wounded in a suicide bombing. The Jenin-based cell of Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 20, 2003: An Israeli motorist was shot dead and three of his passengers were wounded when their car was fired upon by Palestinian terrorists near Ofra, north of Ramallah. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 19, 2003: A suicide bombing in a grocery store in Sede Terumot in northeastern Israel, south of Beit Shean, killed the owner of the store. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 17, 2003: A shooting attack near the Kibbutz Eyal junction of the Trans-Israel Highway killed a 7-year-old girl and wounded three members of her family, including her 3-year-old sister. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
June 11, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 80 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus during the afternoon rush hour. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 19, 2003: A suicide bomber attacked the Shaarei Amakim shopping center in Afula, in northern Israel, killing at least four and wounding 15. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility.
May 19, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber on a bicycle attacked an Israeli checkpoint on the Gaza Strip, wounding three Israeli soldiers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
May 18, 2003: Seven people were killed and more than 20 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus at the start of the Israeli work week. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Soon after, a suicide bomber carrying explosives and dressed in the garb of an ultra-orthodox Jew was stopped at a roadblock. The Palestinian detonated his explosives, killing only himself. Hamas claimed responsibility in both attacks.
May 17, 2003: A pregnant Israeli woman and her husband were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself next to them in a public square in Hebron. Hamas claimed responsibility.
April 30, 2003: Three people were killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bombing at a beachfront pub in Tel Aviv. The Fatah Tanzim and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out as a joint operation.
April 24, 2003: One Israeli was killed and 13 were wounded in a suicide bombing outside the train station in Kfar Saba. Groups related to the Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 30, 2003 - A suicide bombing in the pedestrian mall entrance of a cafe in Netanya wounded more than 40 people. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack, calling it a “gift to the Iraqi people.”
March 7, 2003 - Two Israelis were killed and five were wounded when armed terrorists infiltrated the community of Kiryat Arba and attacked during Shabbat. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 5, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb on a bus en route to Haifa University. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 5, 2003: Twenty two people were killed and about 120 wounded in a double suicide bombing near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Islamic Jihad and Hamas all claimed responsibility for the attacks.
January 2, 2003 - The charred body of an Israeli from Menahemiya in the Lower Galilee was found in the northern Jordan Valley in his burned out car. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
December 27, 2002 : Terrorists broke into a dining hall at a yeshiva in Otneil, south of Hebron, and killed 4 students who were working in the yeshiva kitchen, and injured ten others. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
December 20, 2002 – An Israeli rabbi was shot and killed on the Kissufim corridor road in the Gaza Strip while driving with his wife and six children to attend a pre-wedding Sabbath celebration in Afula. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 28: A suicide car bombing of the Israeli-owned beachfront Paradise Hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 3 Israelis and 10 Kenyans, and wounded at least 80 people. Al Qaeda is a main suspect in the attack.
November 28 - Two terrorists opened fire and lobbed grenades at the Likud polling station in Beit Shea’an, Israel, killing 6 people and wounding at least 40 people. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 28: Two surface-to-air missiles narrowly missed an Israeli airliner as it lifted off from the runway at Moi International Airport in Kenya.
November 21: Eleven people were killed and 47 injured when a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded on a bus filled with passengers, including schoolchildren, in the Kiryat Menahem neighborhood in Jerusalem. The bus was traveling toward the center of the city during the morning rush hour. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 18: An Israeli mother of seven from Kochav Hashahar was killed Monday in a shooting attack on the Allon Road, just north of Ramallah. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 15: Twelve Israelis were killed and 15 others wounded in Hebron when Palestinian terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at a group of Jewish worshippers and their guards as they were walking home from Sabbath prayers at the Cave of the Patriarchs. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attacks.
November 10, 2002: Five Israelis were killed, including two children, at Kibbutz Metzer, near Tulkarm. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 7, 2002: Two Israelis were killed when a Palestinian worker fired on them at the Pe'at Sadeh settlement in the southern Gaza Strip.
October 27: Two Israeli police officers and a soldier were killed, and 20 bystanders were wounded in a suicide bombing at a gas station near the settlement of Ariel in the West Bank. The two officers and soldier were killed while trying to prevent the terrorist from detonating the bomb. Hamas and the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 22, 2002: Domazlice -- An old Jewish cemetery was desecrated in a southwestern Czech town. Five tombstones were toppled at the cemetery in Domazlice, 94 miles southwest of Prague, and five copper lanterns stolen. Copper plaques with Hebrew inscriptions were removed from two tombstones.
October 22: At least 14 Israelis were killed and more than 45 injured when an explosives-laden sport utility vehicle driven by a Palestinian suicide bomber rammed a bus near Hadera in northern Israel. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
September 19: Six people were killed and 60 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on one of Tel Aviv's busiest streets, in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue. Many of the wounded were in critical or serious condition. Both Islamic Jihad and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
September 18: An Israeli police officer was killed, and three others were wounded, in a suicide bombing at a bus stop near the Umm al Fahm junction in northern Israel. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 10: One Israeli was killed and another was seriously injured when a Palestinian terrorist infiltrated Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, and opened fire. The Fatah al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack
August 5: A Palestinian suicide bomber detonated himself in the vehicle of a resident of Nazareth. The driver, who tried to flee, was injured in the explosion.
August 5: A husband and his pregnant wife were killed, and one of their children, aged 3, was injured, when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in the West Bank. A Fatah-affilated group claimed responsibility for the attack
August 4: Four people were injured - one seriously - when shots were fired at a bus near the West Bank town of Tulkarem. In addition, three Israelis were seriously wounded by a bomb blast while traveling in vehicle north of Ramallah in the West Bank.
August 4: Two men were killed and 17 wounded when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire with a pistol shortly before noon near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City. The Fatah al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 4: Nine people were killed and about 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in northern Israel. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 31: Eight people were killed and 86 injured, 14 seriously, when a bomb went off at the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria on the Hebrew University Mt. Scopus campus during the busy lunchtime rush. Israeli authorities reported that the explosive device had been planted ahead of time, with the terrorist possibly detonating it by remote control. Five Americans were among the dead. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 30: Two Israeli brothers from the Israeli settlement of Tapuah were shot and killed by masked Palestinian gunmen while delivering diesel fuel to a neighboring Palestinian village. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 30: Five people suffered light to moderate injuries in a suicide bombing at a falafel stand on Hanevi'im Street in central Jerusalem.
July 30: A husband and wife were injured overnight in the West Bank settlement of Itamar, when a Palestinian terrorist entered their bedroom while they were sleeping, armed with two knives. The terrorist was killed by security forces.
July 26: Four Israelis were killed, three from one family, and three were injured in a drive-by shooting attack near Hebron. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
July 25: One Israeli was killed and another injured in a shooting attack near the West Bank settlement of Alei Zahav. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 21: The driver of an Israeli commuter train was moderately injured when an explosive device, detonated by remote control, went off on the tracks between Rehovot and Yavneh. No passengers were injured and the train, which was travelling from Binyamina, near Hadera, to Ashdod in the south, was not derailed.
July 17: Three people were killed, and 40 more were injured, six seriously, in a double suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack
July 16: Seven people were killed and 20 injured, several seriously, in a terrorist attack on a bus traveling from Tel Aviv to the West Bank. An explosive charge was detonated next to the bullet-resistant bus and three terrorists waiting in ambush opened fire on passengers who fled the bus in search of safety. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 30: Four people were lightly injured when a bomb placed on the railroad tracks went off just after a crowded train passed over the spot, just north of the city of Lod in central Israel.
June 20: Five Israelis, including a mother, three children and a neighbor who came to aid the family, were killed, when a Palestinian terrorist entered a home and opened fire in the West Bank settlement of Itamar. Two other children and two soldiers were also injured in the attack. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack
June 19: Seven people were killed and more than 50 were injured - three of them in critical condition - when a suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop in Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 18: Nineteen people were killed and more than 70 were injured, in a suicide bombing on a bus just outside of Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was traveling from Gilo to Jerusalem and had many students on board. In addition to the bus, at least two other vehicles were severely damaged in the attack. Hamas claimed responsibility.
June 11: A 15-year-old Herzliya girl was killed and 15 others were wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber set off a pipe bomb at a restaurant in the coastal city of Herzliya, north of Tel Aviv. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 11: Three junior high school youths were injured in a roadside bombing near Hebron.
June 8: Three Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were killed, and five were injured when an armed terrorist inflitrated the community of Carmei Tzur, south of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsiblity for the attack.
June 5: Sixteen people were killed and 38 injured - 7 seriously - when a car packed with explosives struck a bus at the Megiddo junction near Afula, in northern Israel. The bus, which burst into flames, was completely destroyed. The militant Palestinian group Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 28: Three yeshiva high school students were killed and two others wounded in Itamar, a settlement southeast of Nablus, when a Palestinian gunman opened fire, before he was shot dead by a security guard. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
May 28: An Israeli man was killed in an ambush on the Ramallah bypass road. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
May 27: A baby girl and her grandmother were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva, near Tel Aviv. The attack injured 40 others, some seriously. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 23: A suicide bomber, disguised as an Israeli with his hair dyed blond, killed at least two people and wounded more than 25 after detonating a powerful explosive in an outdoor market in Rishon Le Zion. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, a militant faction of Yasir Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility.
May 19: Three Israelis were killed and more than 50 injured in a suicide bombing at an open-air market in Netanya. A Palestinian disguised as an Israeli soldier carried out the attack. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility. Two of the victims were identified as Yosef Haviv, 70 and Arkadi Wiselman, 40, both of Netanya. Wiselman, a chef at the Park Hotel, survived the Passover bombing on March 27.
May 8: A Palestinian terrorist detonated a suitcase packed with explosives in a crowded gambling and billiards club near Tel Aviv, killing at least 15 people and wounding 58. The attack apparently was timed to coincide with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's visit to the United States, where he met with President George W. Bush and other administration officials to discuss a new proposal for ending the conflict.
April 27: Three Palestinian gunmen disguised as Israeli Army soldiers cut through the perimeter fence of Adora, a settlement on the West Bank, and entered several homes, firing on residents in their bedrooms. Four people, including a 5-year-old girl, were killed in the attacks. Another seven were injured, including one seriously. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
April 12: At least six people are dead, and more than 60 are reported wounded, in the wake of a Palestinian suicide bombing in Jerusalem. The terrorist was attempting to board a bus near Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market when the explosives detonated. The Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades reportedly has taken responsibility for the attack.
April 10: An Egged bus was blown up in a suicide bombing near Kibbutz Yagur, located close to Haifa, killing 10 people and wounding 17.
April 1: An IDF reserve soldier, Sgt.-Maj. Ofir Rot, 22, of Gan Yoshiya was killed at a roadblock near Jerusalem's Har Homa neighborhood by a Palestinian sniper firing from Beit Sahur, near Bethlehem.
April 1: Eight Israelis were wounded in a terrorist shooting attack at the entrance to Beit El in Samaria. Two were in critical condition, the other six were in light to moderate condition.
March 31: A Magen David Adom paramedic was very seriously injured along with three other people in a suicide bombing at the emergency medical center in Efrat, in the Gush Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem.
March 31: Fourteen people were killed and more than 40 injured in a suicide bombing in Haifa, in the Matza gas station restaurant near a shopping mall. Several of the injured were in serious to critical condition. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 30: Tomer Mordechai, 19, of Tel Aviv, a police officer, was killed in Jerusalem, when a Palestinian suicide bomber heading toward the city center blew himself up in his car after being stopped at a roadblock. The Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 30: About 30 people were injured, one critically and five seriously, by a powerful explosion in a cafe on the corner of Allenby and Bialik streets in Tel Aviv on Saturday evening. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 29: Two people were killed and more than 20 were injured when a 16-year-old female Palestinian suicide bomber attacked a Jerusalem supermarket. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 27: Twenty-two people were killed and 140 injured - 20 seriously - in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in the coastal city of Netanya, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 24: Esther Klieman, 23, of Neve Tzuf, was killed in a shooting attack northwest of Ramallah while traveling to work in a reinforced Egged bus.
March 24: Avi Sabag, 24, of Otniel was killed in a terrorist shooting south of Hebron.
March 20: Seven people, including four soldiers, were killed and 30 people were wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus traveling from Tel Aviv to Nazareth. Two of the injurerd are in critical condition. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 19: 1st Lt. Tal Zemach, 20, of Kibbutz Hulda, was killed and three soldiers were injured when Palestinian terrorists opened fire at the paratroop training compound in the Jordan Valley. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 19: Two Border Police volunteers were lightly wounded when terrorists opened fire and threw a grenade at Moshav Aviezer, south of Beit Shemesh, on the Israeli side of the Green Line border. The gunmen were killed by Border Police
March 17: Twenty-five people were lightly injured when a suicide bomber exploded himself near an Egged bus at the French Hill junction in northern Jerusalem on Sunday afternoon. Many of the passengers were high school students on their way home from school. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 17: Noa Auerbach, 18, of Kfar Sava, was killed and 16 people were injured when a terrorist opened fire in the center of Kfar Sava on Sunday. The gunman was shot and killed by police.
March 12: Eyal Lieberman, 45, of Tzoran in Samaria was killed and one person was wounded in a shooting attack on Tuesday morning at the Kiryat Sefer checkpoint, east of Modi'in.
March 12: Terrorists opened fire, ambushing Israeli vehicles traveling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon late Tuesday morning. Six Israelis were killed and at least 6 others suffered injuries. Two terrorists were also killed. Israeli forces are still conducting aerial and land searches for other members of the terror cell.
March 10: Shots were fired at a bar mitzva celebration in the coastal city of Ashdod. A 13-year-old boy suffered moderate-to-serious injuries in the attack. The terrorist was apprehended when his rifle jammed.
March 10: St.-Sgt. Kobi Eichelboim, 21, of Givatayim died from wounds suffered in the morning when a Palestinian gunman disguised as a worker opened fire at the entrance to Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.
March 9: An infant girl and a 27-year-old man were killed and about 50 people were injured, several seriously, when two Palestinians opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels. The terrorists were killed by Israeli border police. The Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 9: Eleven people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded at in a crowded cafe at the corner of Aza and Ben-Maimon streets in the Rehavia neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 8: Staff Sargeant Edward Korol, 20, of Ashdod, the medic of the Golani's Egoz unit, was killed by a Palestinian sniper in the Tulkarem refugee camp. The Israel Defense Forces incursion in the Tulkarem camp led to the discovery of two weapons-making facilities, a weapons arsenal, and a large quantity of explosive materials, including 10 Kassam-2 missiles. The 1,300 Palestinian men who turned themselves in were detained for questioning.
March 7: A suicide bomber blew himself up shortly after 3:30 P.M. in the lobby of a hotel in the commercial center on the outskirts of Ariel in Samaria. 15 people were injured, one seriously. The PFLP claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 7: Aharon Krogliak of Beit El, Tal Kurtzweil of Bnei Brak, Asher Marcus of Jerusalem, Eran Pikar of Jerusalem, and Ariel Zana of Jerusalem, all aged 18, were killed and 23 people were injured, four seriously, when a Palestinian gunman penetrated a highschool that combines religious studies and military training in the Gush Katif settlement of Atzmona late Thursday night. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 7: A suicide bombing was prevented Thursday afternoon, when a man carrying an explosive device was blocked from entering a cafe on Emek Refaim Street in the German Colony section of Jerusalem.
March 7: A suicide bomber blew himself up shortly after 3:30 P.M. Thursday afternoon in the lobby of a hotel in the commericial center on the outskirts of Ariel in Samaria. Four injuries have been reported.
March 6: Cpl.(res.) Alexander Nastarenko, 37, of Netanya was killed when Palestinian gunmen crossed the fence and ambushed an army jeep on the patrol road near Kibbutz Nir Oz.
March 6: 1st Lt. Pinhas Cohen, 23, of Jerusalem, was killed overnight near the southern Gaza town of Khan Yunis, in the course of anti-terrorist activity following the rocket attack on Sderot. Another soldier, whose name has not yet been released, was killed and three others were wounded when Palestinians attacked them with gunfire and grenades while on routine patrol along the border with Egypt
March 5: Palestinians fired two Kassam II rockets at the city of Sderot shortly before 18:00 PM on Tuesday. One of the rockets hit a residential building, moderately wounding a 16-month-old infant. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 5: Police officers Salim Barakat, 33, of Yarka; Yosef Abey, 52, of Herzliya; and Eli Dahan, 53, of Lod were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 5: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured Tuesday morning in shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 5: One person was killed and 5 injured when a suicide bomber exploded in an Egged No. 823 bus as it entered the Afula central bus station at 8:30 Tuesday morning. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 2: The bullet-ridden body of Jerusalem police detective Chief-Supt. Moshe Dayan, 46, of Ma'aleh Adumim, was discovered Saturday evening next to his trail motorcycle, near the Mar Saba Monastery in the Judean Desert. Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 2: Ten people were killed and over 50 were injured in a suicide bombing at 7 pm on Saturday evening near a yeshiva in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzva celebration. The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. Six children were among the victims. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack.
March 3: Sgt. Steven Koenigsburg, 19, of Hod Hasharon was killed and 4 soldiers injured Sunday morning when a Palestinian gunman opened fire near the Kissufim crossing in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad and Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 3: Ten Israelis, including 2 IDF officers and 5 soldiers, were killed and 5 were injured when terrorists opened fire at 7:00 Sunday morning at an IDF roadblock north of Ofra in Samaria. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 25: Palestinian terrorists killed two Israeli civilians and wounded two others - a pregnant woman and a small girl - in a shooting attack south of Jerusalem.
February 22: Valery Ahmir, 59, of Beit Shemesh, was killed by terrorists in a drive-by shooting on the Atarot-Givat Ze'ev road north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work. Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 19: Six soldiers were killed and one wounded in an attack near a roadblock west of Ramallah. Several terrorists opened fire at soldiers at the roadblock, including three off-duty soldiers inside a structure at the roadblock, killing them at point-blank range. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 19: A suicide bomber was prevented from boarding an Egged bus traveling from Jerusalem to Tiberias in the Jordan Valley. The terrorist was killed when, fleeing pursuit, he detonated the charge.
February 18: Ahuva Amergi, 30, of Ganei Tal in Gush Katif was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car on Monday evening. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25, of Kiryat Ata and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21, of Kiryat Arba, who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
February 18: Policeman Ahmed Mazarib, 32, of the Bedouin village Beit Zarzir in the Galilee, was killed by a suicide bomber who he had stopped for questioning on the Ma'ale Adumim-Jerusalem road on Monday afternoon. The terrorist succeeded in detonating the bomb in his car. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
February 10: A drive-by terrorist shooting at the entrance to the IDF Southern Command base in Be’er Sheva killed two female soldiers and injured four others. One of the Palestinian terrorists was killed at the scene; the second, wearing an explosives belt, fled in the direction of a nearby school when he was shot and killed by a soldier and police officer. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 9: A drive-by shooting on the Trans-Samaria Highway killed a 78 year old woman. Palestinian gunmen opened fire on the car, apparently from an ambush, between Ariel and the Tapuah Junction.
February 8: A 25-year-old Israeli woman was stabbed to death by four Palestinians, ages 14-16, while strolling with her boyfriend in the Peace Forest, below the Sherover Promenade in Jerusalem's Armon Hanatziv neighborhood.
January 27: A suicide bombing in the center of Jerusalem killed one person and wounded more than 150. The terrorist, armed with more than 10 kilos of explosives, was apparently a female student from Nablus.
January 25: A suicide bombing outside a cafe on a pedestrian mall in Tel Aviv injured 25 people. The Lebanese television station Al-Manar reported that the bomber was an Islamic Jihad activist sent by the organization's cell in Tulkarm and Israeli security services are investigating whether the Fatah organization in Tulkarm and Hezbollah may also have been involved.
January 22, 2002: A Palestinian terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem, killing two women and injuring about 40 others. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the shooting.
January 17, 2002: A Palestinian gunman burst into a bat mitzvah celebration in a banquet hall in Hadera, opening fire on the 180 guests with an M-16 assault rifle, killing 6 people and injuring 35 people. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 12, 2001: Palestinian gunmen attacked a No. 189 Dan bus and several passenger cars near the entrance to the settlement of Emmanuel, killing 10 people and injuring about 30 people.
December 2, 2001: A suicide bombing on a No. 16 Egged bus in Haifa killed 15 people and injured about 40 people. Hamas claimed responsibility for the Haifa blast, while Hizbullah's radio and television stations expressed support for the attacks.
December 1, 2001: A double suicide bombing at the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem at 11:30 p.m. on a Saturday night killed 11 people, aged 12-21, and injured 188 people. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 29, 2001: A suicide bombing of a bus on its way from Nazareth to Hadera killed three people. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 27, 2001: Two Palestinian gunmen opened fire on a crowd of people near the central bus station in the city of Afula, killing two people. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 28, 2001: Two Palestinian gunmen killed four Israeli women at a crowded bus stop in the city of Hadera. Although Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack, the two gunmen who carried out the attack were members of the Palestinian police force.
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Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:35 pm
Back to 1993 if you dare....


fly bird (26)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:44 pm
Any objective outsider looking at some of the comments would be able to distinguish, clearly, hate filled, racist remarks, from others.
Many, no doubt, see it, right away. Others, might simply keep on playing the cry game and deliberately keep trying to delude the rest.
Bigoted remarks and racist attitudes solve nothing; in fact, are responsible, in a large part, in maintaining discrimination, human rights violations, and oppressive exploitation and control.

"Barbara, you sound hysterical and are becoming offensive. " - ditto

"Barbara and Allen ~ you scream antisemitism, but preach Muslim hatred. How typical and sad. A double standard." - ditto, it IS sad!

For weeks now, tensions have been rising in Jerusalem, simmering since the kidnap and brutal murder of three Jewish teenagers in the occupied West Bank in June, the barbaric setting alight of a Palestinian teenager in the following month, and the bloody conflict in Gaza in July and August which left more than 2,000 Palestinians dead, including some 500 children.

For weeks now, I've received emails from both British citizens and residents of the Middle East about the illegal and provocative actions of extremist Israeli settlers, as well as Israeli troops, in or around the holy Al Aqsa compound - and the corresponding lack of international condemnation. Although publicly, the Israeli government hold to the line that there will be no changes to the 1994 peace treaty and the restriction on prayer, in reality this agreement is constantly broken, triggering resentment and inter-community violence.

It's an issue that has preoccupied many around the world with anger voiced by, among others, the head of the 56- member Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), Iyad Madani, who earlier this month at a conference in Rabat called on the UN Security Council to take urgent action to stop Israeli "aggression" in occupied East Jerusalem. Yet here in the UK, both the media and ministers have had little to say and have turned a blind eye.

The tragic and brutal killing of worshippers in the West Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday has reminded us of how brutal that conflict can be. These murders must be condemned. I condemn them, as I have loudly condemned previous instances of Palestinian violence against civilians.

Here in the UK, nevertheless, we are at risk of coming across as both naive and hypocritical. Naive, if we claim we didn't see this coming, if we treat these violent episodes as unprovoked or unconnected to wider a series of events and 'facts on the ground'. That is not, of course, to justify the violence. As the Guardian columnist Gary Younge once wrote: "To explain is not to excuse". But explain we must.

Hypocritical, because we excel at our condemnation of Palestinian terror but stay silent when Israeli forces - fighter pilots, soldiers, settlers - are terrorising Palestinian communities in East Jerusalem, on the West Bank or inside the Gaza Strip.

When I quit the government in the summer, I pointed out that the "British government can only play a constructive role in solving the Middle East crisis if it is an honest broker and at the moment I do not think it is".

Little has changed, it seems. My successor as Conservative Party chairman, Grant Shapps, is only too willing to criticise Palestinian terror while refusing to vote in favour of a Palestinian state in parliament, and give young Palestinians hope and dignity.

The truth is that we must hold both sides accountable for the extremists in their midst and for the violence that they commit.

And the best tribute we could pay to the poor, innocent people who have been killed is a recommitment to genuine peace and justice, rather than a strategy based on, to quote Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, "a heavy hand".

Remember: the indisputable lesson of modern Middle East history is that violence breeds violence.

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Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 12:51 pm
Thanks, jess.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 2:18 pm
Not listed were all the individual terrorist acts committed by Jews against Palestinians, which would require pages; these were just SOME of the worst examples.

The point being that there is terrorism being committed by both sides. I know of no one here fighting for justice for Palestinians who condones the terrorism being committed by either side, and many of us--such as myself on numerous occasions--have condemned both sides for engaging in terrorism.

What can't be ignored is that Zionism is an anachronistic racist concept which has always elevated the rights of Jews over the rights of the indigenous non-Jewish Palestinians, and which has always sought to dominate and subjugate the non-Jewish indigenous population. What can't be ignored are the gross injustices Zionism has wrought and continues to force upon the indigenous Palestinians, which breeds violence. Just imagine if those were Americans instead of Palestinians; you can bet your bottom dollar they would be doing far worse than anything the Palestinians have done. Americans wouldn't stand for Zionism for one minute if they were in Palestinians shoes. Just suppose Zionists came into America and ethnically cleansed Americans, taking over all but 22% of the United States, forcing Americans to live in Warsaw ghetto and apartheid conditions, while that 22% left to them continued to be controlled and colonized by Zionists. I think one can easily see just how that would never go over by how many Americans are xenophobic about Hispanic immigration (whom have a great deal of Native American ancestry which is much more recent than any Zionist claims upon Palestine--not to mention the U.S. essentially stealing 1/2 of Mexico in the unjustified Mexican-American War).

Rahman Qureshi (27)
Tuesday November 18, 2014, 10:06 pm
"carrieSICK wrote, and jess B. echoed, "Barbara and Allen ~ you scream antisemitism, but preach Muslim hatred. How typical and sad. A double standard you obviously embrace."

To CarrieSICK, Jess B., Bruce and other hate-filled anti-semites: You scream anti-Muslim, but preach Jewish hatred. How typical and sad. A double standard you obviously embrace.

And to all of you Jew-haters, not one of you have issued ANY CONDEMNATION of the ISLAMIC DOCTRINE which drives MUSLIMS TO TERRORIZE AND MURDER! That is clearly because you LIKE that Islamic doctrine mandates hatred of Jews. Penny, it is true what you said, people like Bruce and crew would have certainly volunteered for Hitler. Bruce and crew and Nazi sympathizers, upset that Hitler and the Muslim world weren't able to commit genocide against Jews. they are hate-filled, racist bigots.

And here is a lesson for idiots who keep calling Muslim a race. Jews are a race, Muslims are not. Muhammad was a white man. Muslims are white, Arab, Indian, Chinese, Hispanic, Black, and every other race you can think of. So, what race is Muslim / Islam? When Arab Muslim Mutee'a Al Fadi became an ex-Muslim, tell is geniuses like Bruce, what race did he change to? After all, if Muslim is a race, then when he was no longer a Muslim, he must have become a different race. He went from being a Muslim, follower of Islam, to being an ex-Muslim, leaving Islam. So, what race did he change to when he left?

What race did Egyptian Muslim change to when she left Islam and was no longer a Muslim?

What race did Black Muslim C.L. Edwards change to when he left Islam and was no longer a Muslim? Did he become white? Asian? Tell, us what race did he change to?

IT is NOT racist to point of the fact that Islam is a terrorist doctrine, with its founder proudly crediting terrorism with his success in spreading Islam. It is NOT racist to point out that Muslim are followers of this terrorist ideology, and while physical terrorists are a sports team, the majority of Muslims are the fans in the stands and at home cheering the team on. Muslims MUST fund terrorism because their religion teaches them to. It is MANDATED that a portion of Muslim tax "charity" zakat money be used to fund terrorism, based on Sura 9:60 and Islamic Shari'a Law. Some Muslims don't know that, but many do and are happy to fun the effort to spread Islam.

"Radical Muslims" play the bad cop and "moderate Muslims" play the good cop. Truly peaceful Muslims are considered fake Muslims according to Islamic doctrine, and when genuinely peaceful Muslims find out they have been lied to about Islam being peaceful, they leave Islam, and do so by the millions every year, many risking death and experience death, like a Muslim young woman who was recently burned to death in 99.9% Yemen by her devout brother for leaving Islam.

I see Bruce and crew also engaging in moral relativism with the "I blame both sides" argument. That is like blaming rapists (Islam) and rape victims (Israel, rest of the world) for "violence". It is like a woman fighting off her rapist and people saying "see, she is violent too. I condemn both sides for fighting. They need to work it out." One attacks out of lust, and one defends out of safety. Devout Muslims, in this case Palestinians en masse, attack Jews / Israel out of Islam-mandated hatred of Jews which Muhammad started, and people rush to say they are the victims. Israel / Jews defend themselves and people jump all over them as the aggressors. This is going further than moral equivalence, this is siding with evil (Islam) and against good (Israel). And the only reason someone would do that is out of Jew hatred.

Further "reasoning" of Israel-bashers is equating a few bad apples on the Israel side with bushels full of rotten apples on the Palestinian / Muslim side. This is the idiotic "just as bad" narrative.

If parents on side A raised their children to be respectful, and parents on side B raised their children to hate and love murder and death, and if one or two children of parents A ended up murdering someone, and many children of side B ended up murdering people, there are people who say "side A and side B are just as bad." This is idiotic! Outliers of side A DO NOT EQUATE with pious practitioners of side B! Yet when some Jews do bad, Israel is equated as being "just as bad" as Palestinians who have an ideology which teaches hatred of Jews and loving death more than life and loving murder! The "just as bad" argument is not valid.

I guarantee that I have more Muslim relatives and friends than all the Bruce-type figures here. Some of them are totally ignorant of Islam, as one would be who thinks Gandhi was blonde white women from Norway. they have no idea what Islamic doctrine teaches about Muhammad or what the Qur'an teaches. But most of them do know something and go deaf and dumb when it comes to condemning Islam for how Muslims treat non-Muslims wherever Muslims are in the majority. They don't condemn the NON-MUSLIMS FORBIDDEN signs all around Mecca when the go for hajj, yet they know how to whine about "insults" to Muhammad. And these people are educated, Western individuals you would see and say "see, they are so peaceful, they're not all bad." This is the mistake many people make in assessing Muslims. Islam is a supremacist ideology, period, that Muhammad said to spread and enforce with terrorism and lying. A KKK member is NOT peaceful just because they aren't lynching a black person. They are NOT peaceful simply because they are a part of a hateful ideology. A Nazi or Nazi supporter is NOT peaceful just because they aren't throwing Jews in an oven. A Nazi or Nazi supporter is NOT peaceful simply because they are part of a supremacist, hateful ideology. A Nazi supporter may say, "Well, I don't particularly care for the Jew-killing, but I like the Nazis because they speak highly of Germany." Normal people wouldn't respond, "Oh, that's cool. You're a peaceful Nazi. See, you're not all bad." Normal people would challenge them, telling them that Nazism itself is an inherently hateful ideology, and by choosing to be part of that, knowing what Nazism is all about, they are not peaceful.

Nazism is no different than Islam. Muslims claiming "Oh, I don't rape and murder. Why are you upset at me when Muslims do that?" are trying to be the equivalent of "peaceful Nazis". It is an oxymoron.

When Muslims in my life give me that line, I tell them this:

"I joined a group which goes around and rapes and murders Muslims. The leaders talks about god and prayer and fasting. I personally don't kill Muslims and am in the group because I like the teachings about prayer and fasting. You're fine with me being part of that group, right?"

You should see the looks on their faces! They understand that, of course, I am not part of any such group nor would I ever be, but they get the point I make that they are choosing to associate themselves with an ideology which teaches it is good to rape and murder, and the fact that they personally don't do those things does not change the fact that by remaining in it, they are supporting it, at the very least by giving it legitimacy and therefore causing people to think Islam itself can't be the problem because there are "nice Muslims", and all that does is enable Islam to expand and cause more and more suffering in accordance with the Qur'an and Muhammad. Just like "peaceful" Nazis or "peaceful" KKK of "peaceful" members of the hypothetical group I made up only serve to obfuscate the threat those ideologies pose, that same way "peaceful" Muslims do, in effect, provide cover for Islam. That makes them not peaceful.

Of the anti-Israel people on this thread, the only one who seems reachable is Darlene. But first let me address Darlene's "bad to rejoice" position. Based on this, Darlene would not rejoice over the death of Hitler or over the death of Bin Laden or over the death of ISIS Muslims who sexually enslave, sell and rape little Christian and Yezidi girls. If that is the case, then there is no hope for Darlene, who sees no difference between an underage Christian girl being gang raped by Muslims, and the Muslims gang raping her. NO NORMAL PERSON would equate the death of a gang rape victim with the death of a terrorist! I would be appalled if someone rejoiced over the death of a girl gang raped, but not appalled over someone rejoicing in the death of Hitler, Bin Laden, etc, But if Darlene sees no difference between a 3 year old girl gang raped and murdered (which is one of the many real-life atrocities committed by devout Muslims in Pakistan), and a terrorist, then Darlene is the one with the problem, not the people who rejoice over the death of terrorists.

If, however, Darlene didn't realize she was engaging in moral equivalence and does in fact understand rejoicing over the death of a terrorist, then there is hope for Darlene as she had stated, "I have said that over and over. Not one human being on Planet Earth no matter what their religion, creed, colour, age, sex, race ever deserves to be harmed by another human being for profit or any other reason." If Darlene really believes, this then Darlene must accept the reality that ISLAM teaches the OPPOSITE of her belief and, if she has integrity, MUSTCONDEMN ISLAM!

Islam teaches that people deserve to be harmed JUST for being non-Muslim. These are not "cherry-picked" Islamic teachings, rather represent mainstream Islam.

Islamic Shari'a Law is Qur'an and Muhammad made into law. The number one Shari'a Law book in the world, certified by the most prestigious and influential Muslim school of jurisprudence in the world Al-Azhar University, teaches many disgusting things like:

section o1.2 - No retaliation is to take place for a Muslim killing a non-Muslim

- No retaliation is to take place for a Muslim parent or grandparent killing their offspring or
offspring's offspring

Qur'an 3:151 teaches "Soon shall we strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for joining company with Allah". Since Qur'an 9:30 calls Christians and Jews polytheists, even though they are strict monotheists, the Qur'an calls for unbelievers, like Israel, to be terrorized JUST FOR BEING NON-MUSLIM! Also, all unbelievers are to be terrorized, like Atheists, Hindus, etc. This is why Muslims murdered 80 million Hindus, and as recently as the Pakistan-Bangladesh War of 1971, 90,000 Pakistani Muslim soldiers (which is like the whole army) RAPED over 200,000 Bengali women, doing things to them like spearing their vaginas and cutting off their breasts. Islam has been doing things like that for 1400 years, beginning with "perfect example of conduct for Muslims" Muhammad. These devout Muslims did this, and continue to do this, because rape is Islamic. Muhammad raped, the Qur'an teaches that rape is good and terrorism is good and murder is good JUST because people are non-Muslim.

See all the beheadings of ISIS and other devout Muslim groups? They get it from Muhammad's example and also Qur'an 8:12 and Qur'an 47:4:

Qur'an 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads"

Notice again that terrorizing people and cutting their heads off is 100% SANCTIONED IN ISLAM for no other reason that people being unbelievers in Islam

Qur'an 47:4 - "So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)"


Darlene, if you do not condemn Islamic doctrine, which drives Muslims to commit terrorism against Israel, Nigeria, Thailand, the USA, and against the whole world, then you have proven yourself a hypocrite. If, however, you really do believe "Not one human being on Planet Earth no matter what their religion, creed, colour, age, sex, race ever deserves to be harmed by another human being for profit or any other reason", then you MUST CONDEM ISLAM for teaching that people of other religions (Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) or no religion (Atheists, Agnostics) deserve to be harmed for the reason of being non-Muslim and for profit, as the Qur'an teaches in Sura 9:28 and Sura 8 to take people's money and take people as sex slaves.

No wiggling out Darlene. Let's see you write the words:

"I condemn Islam for teaching that people of other religions or no religion deserve to be harmed for the reason of being non-Muslim and for profit, as the Qur'an teaches in Sura 9:28 and Sura 8 to take people's money and take people as sex slaves".

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:43 am
Rahman, you're only here to push your own racist Islamophobia hate agenda, but you're pissing in the wrong hole and barking up the wrong tree. I don't think anyone here besides the pro-Zionists are that simple-minded or unsophisticated to buy the crap you're trying to peddle. I can safely guarantee you, though, that none of us here seeking justice for Palestinians are about hating anyone--not Jews, not Arabs, not Persians, not Muslims, not Hindus, not Christians, not Buddhists, not atheists or agnostics. For many, like me, the opposition to Zionism, a political and nationalistic movement, is that it is unjust, ethnocentric and racist.

This article and this discussion is not about Islam, and it certainly not an appropriate forum for you to spew your disgusting racist, hate- and fear-mongering diatribe against a specific religion and all its adherents. You have a real problem that is rotting your soul, and you need to either do some serious introspection, or you should seek help.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:56 am
Thank you, doctor.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:58 am
Rahmen: I say that ALL religions teach hatred on way or the other- Islam, Christianity, Judaism - religion of any type is teaching that some people have the answer and others do not and gives an opening to justify treating another human badly. There are degrees again in every religion. Some understand that it is always wrong to harm another to all the way that religion fanatics believe it is OK to murder another for their beliefs. Religion is a root cause of hatred on planet Earth. We are all ONE - there is the higher law of do no harm that every human being born on Planet Earth regardless of race, creed, colour, knows in their heart and soul that it is wrong to harm life. There is no happiness in knowing that people harm another or any reason to celebrate when a human being dies. Hitler is a tragedy that he abused his own life to harm people rather than help people and care for life. What he did is reprehensible and there is NO honour, dignity or self respect in his life. The only celebration is when a human being understands and lives by sacred law to do no harm. If a person is harming you, you have the responsibility to defend yourself and all adults have the responsibility to defend and protect the children and the elderly from harm. There has to be a better way of holding people that harm others accountable for their behaviour. Dropping bombs on a race of people including children is not a good solution to standing up for the right thing to do. That is why judging a person without knowing what is in their heart because they are of a particular colour or creed is wrong. I would agree that anyone that has made a decision to distance themselves from any religion understands the underlying hatred implicit in every religion that says their God is the correct God. I know many Jewish people who don't practice their religion and honour all people but in a pogrom they would be killed simply because they are JEwish. We have to find ways to hold people responsible for hatred and harm rather than race. It is ALWAYS wrong to harm another unless in self defence and to defend oneself your heart has to be honest to know that you are truly defending yourself and not harming another for your own private agenda or pride. A return to Sacred Law of do no harm that every child is taught and every adult upholds would go a long way to bring peace on Earth. When looked at honestly most harm is done on Earth for private agendas believing that you have the right GOD or people are harmed and abused to bring wealth to another. A person living by sacred law knows that sex against anyone’s will is wrong and harming that person. Many of us on Planet Earth are slaves to false ideas of who we are and are pawns of those that have no qualms about exploiting and harming life to serve themselves. This is the root of the problem - those that do not CARE and those that do CARE. It is difficult to know those that do NOT Care because we human beings can lie. Actions do speak louder than words. Anyone that gleefully condemns another to death for any reason is working on private agendas rather than from higher truth wanting to be "right" more than desiring to live by sacred law. If we were all taught Sacred law - that all life is SACRED and we are ALL sacred, sovereign spiritual beings here to learn how to take care of life on our beautiful planet Earth imagine what life would look like! Imagine peace on Earth. The higher vision of who we truly are is what I hold in my heart and will always speak about this. I am under no illusions that we are a long way from peace on EARth but perhaps we will reach a point where we will all stand together and say there has been enough grief and suffering. WE can be better and we will start right NOW by reclaiming our sovereignty and self-respect! Peace to ALL.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 2:42 pm
Rahman. Don't expect any answers from Bruce to the numerous points you raised.
Whenever he gets in a hole he plays the get out of prison racist card.

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 3:35 pm
Gee, it's another late pathetic attempt to recover lost ground in the charge of the hate brigade. No doubt too busy posting articles from the Islamophobia hate network. Don't expect any objectivity from Stan, who wishes to absolve his own racist rhetoric and attitudes. Keep supporting Zionist apartheid, Stan, while deluding yourself that you're saving the world from those evil Mooooslims!

Care to clue us in Stan on the sudden inexplicable surge from the Islamophobia hate group here at Care2 to an article over a week old? Did a little bird (or petulant cat) whisper in your ear?

fly bird (26)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 4:40 pm
I think, it's people like you, Stan, who excel in playing the 'get out of prison racist card'.
The emperor is naked, called out the child - but the procession must go on. lol goons

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 6:25 pm
Maybe it's just because I don't feel well, but reading these comments is making me so depressed and sad. Such anger, animosity, name calling, and even hatred is just about more than I can take right now. What is wrong with everyone, ~ that expressing a difference of opinion calls for such unfortunate behavior?

I know Bruce, Jess, Darlene, and I are not antisemitic, ~ nor do we have any illusions about radical Islam. Why do we have to be subjected to such vile accusations?

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 6:48 pm
late pathetic attempt....charge of the hate brigade.... Islamophobia hate network.... his own racist rhetoric and attitudes. Keep supporting Zionist apartheid, Stan, while deluding yourself that you're saving the world from those evil Mooooslims!...sudden inexplicable surge from the Islamophobia hate group... (or petulant cat)...get out of prison racist card' goons

Call those love notes, Carrie??

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 6:56 pm
And Barbara, YOU are the worst because you always start these arguments and then become angry if anyone fights back. You should stop trolling care2 for posts to spread your anger, hatred, and bigotry. I think your avatar says it all ~ angry and hateful.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:10 pm
Carrie. Emotive topics like this one do bring out strong feelings on both sides of this divide. To single out Barbara for "starting these arguments," and spreading "anger, hate and bigotry," is most unfair.
We've all made comments we shouldn't have, especially Bruce. It happens in the heat of this kind of debate.
A little more objectivity on this situation wouldn't go amiss.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:14 pm
Why hate puddytats???????????????????????

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:36 pm
Thank you Stan ~ now lets see if Barbara can follow that advice.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:58 pm
Carrie, I think one place to start is by not using people's names except as a form of address ~ such as I just used yours.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 9:01 pm
Backing up Israel 100% without acknowledging the atrocities that they have perpetrated on the Palestinian people is what many are challenging. Anyone that is saying that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is supporting hatred. That does not mean that saying what the Israelis terrorists are doing is wrong makes what the Islamic terrorists are doing is right. BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG here. To call people that say that Israel is using excessive force are anti-Semitic is as low as it gets. Wrong behaviour is wrong behaviour no matter who you are. Israel has gone beyond self defence instead of going after the perpetrators. It is not a fair fight and the pot of hatred is constantly being stirred rather than speaking for justice and the higher principle of peace. There is no justification for either side of this fight at the moment and that is the way towards peace - to acknowledge murder is murder, for those supporting murder to be held accountable and to begin to heal. Taking sides is perpetuating this horrible ugly war but it has to be clear that taking a life for personal reasons and personal agendas is wrong and the consequence is grief and suffering. Have we not had enough unnecessary grief and suffering? Let's get back to self respect and living with dignity and create a better world. We have the power. We have the choice.

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 10:17 pm
No, Stan, Carrie's statement isn't unfair--it's accurate. Even Care2 support has admonished Barbara:

"Barbara...get it together and be a part of this community, not a divider of it.

Let us just call it as it is. Your ongoing issues with several other members on the Vaccine Threads recently...Your ongoing issues with several other members on the Vegan Diet threads recently....Your issues with the Middle East postings that you do not agree you see a pattern here? All have been taken to the extreme and all have a common factor.

We all understand aggressive language and insulting conduct, my issue is...why are you so frequently at the center of it..regardless of topic? I find it an issue of conduct and you have more than proven that point tenfold.

If you cannot silence the other side or make them quit, you do not seem to want to cease or at least recognize that difference of opinion is necessary, educational and welcome here. Not nasty comments and put downs and name calling and getting your digs in at someone. That solves nothing."

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 10:43 pm
Stan once again proves his lack of objectivity with selective vision. Did Stan miss the part here where someone spoke of kneecapping me with a .22 rifle? Did Stan miss the part here where pro-Zionists make racist comments? Did Stan miss the numerous occasions where a number of us have been falsely accused of anti-Semitism? Did Stan miss the numerous occasions articles from the Islamophobia hate network have been submitted by pro-Zionists?

No, Stan, didn't miss any of that, and Stan has been an integral part of all of that, and Stan has been complicit in all of that. Now Stan wants to play the victim. If you don't like being on the receiving end Stan, you need to stop dishing it out. And if you want any credibility, Stan, you need to speak out against your fellow pro-Zionists when they engage in that kind of inappropriate behavior.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 3:39 am

Barbara D. (77)
Wednesday November 19, 2014, 8:58 pm
Carrie, I think one place to start is by not using people's names except as a form of address ~ such as I just used yours.

Bruce, perhaps you might consider not talking about Stan and Barbara as if they are objects? It's more polite to address people,,,personally.

You might also notice that people who use terminology such as hasbara shill, propogandist, racist, murderer, in my crosshairs, put on an IDF uniform to make a good target, hatred, pathetic, evil Mooslims, racist Islamophobia, racist rhetoric and attitudes, ZioNazis, etc., etc., are NEVER EVER * admonished*???????

How does that compare to *doorknob* and *sock puppet*, which even you have to admit are mildly amusing?

Stan B (123)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 4:29 am
Barbara. I've decided not to waste any more of my valuable time on this sanctimonious hypocrite.
He is a mean-spirited, sore loser and in so many ways epitomises the soul-less people he purports to represent.
BTW. We've had enough of being victims after 2000 years. I'm sorry to break it to you but those days are well and truly over. Get used to it.

ALLEN G (19)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 4:53 am

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 4:54 am
They're gonna miss those ghetto Jews, what?

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 5:39 am
Says the sanctimonious, mean-spirited, hypocritical sore loser who tucks his tail between his legs and cowardly runs off with one last departing racist remark, to avoid addressing the arguments presented in any substantive way.

News flash, Stan; I'm not representing anyone but myself. Moreover, my advocacy is for the benefit of not just Palestinians and Jewish people, but also for the benefit of the human race.

BTW. I'm sorry to break it to you, but it is the Palestinians who have been by far the greater victims of racist Zionism for over a century. Clearly, they've had more than enough. And, unfortunately, as long as Zionists continue persecuting and oppressing the indigenous natives and perpetrating gross injustices against them, Zionists will continue to be victims of their own misguided ideology. Sadly, those days aren't over, Stan, because Zionists like you refuse to see the forest for the trees. I truly wish they could be over. Haven't enough Jews and Palestinians died already? It is totally unreasonable to expect that people dispossessed, persecuted, oppressed, and deprived of their rights for decades, as the Palestinians have been by Zionism, aren't going to resist and fight back.

It has long been accepted by most that colonization inflicts a terrible injustice upon the indigenous people, but yet Zionists like to pretend that their continued colonization is somehow exempt or no less evil.

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 6:47 am
Care2 support had it pegged perfectly, as abundant evidence in support readily apparent amply demonstrates.

Using a persons name to identify them is not impolite. What is more than impolite is trolling, intellectual dishonesty, and constant attempts to hijack articles and comment threads critical of Israel and its mistreatment of Palestinians.

When people act in a manner underserving of respect, they need not act surprised when they are not afforded the customary common courtesies. Shifting blame and feigning innocence is not helping their case any, either; it merely reflects intransigence and lack of remorse, earning less respect.

Islamophobia is just as racist as anti-Semitism. As I remarked in the comments of the submission for the recent JDC petition, "Today's Islamophobia is tomorrow's anti-Semitism." Calling something propaganda is not a personal attack. When people make racist remarks, it should be everyone's obligation to call them on it.

There are some examples given to which I would have likely objected had I encountered them, depending on the context, but it is extremely hypocritical for the person citing the examples to complain when they themselves are guilty of the same, or are complicit or actively encouraging others to engage in attacks as egregious or more so. They discredit themselves, and therefore are not taken seriously. Especially when many of the complaints lack any sound basis, and it becomes a matter of crying 'wolf' too often.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 8:51 am
Barbara: A good place to start as well is that you follow your own advice. On this forum you have addressed me as "young lady" and QUOTE "Go talk to Darlene. She'll tell you how to make the world live in peace and harmony....with aromatherapy, fresh air, and smiles. Shall we all join hands??" END OF QUOTE You have also addressed the forum as "You goyische" a derogatory and racist way to address anyone that is not Jewish.
You have shown on many occasions that you can be sarcastic and have spoken to and addressed people in disrespectful and condescending ways. I trust that going forward you will only address people by their names and be more respectful. Thank you.
As Bruce has expressed many of us here are speaking for humanity - that the war in the Middle East harms us all - and that we are not taking sides but speaking up about the atrocities happening to people that want to live in peace and especially the harm being done to the children. As responsible adults many have succumbed to hatred rather than to live taking care of life. Any responsible adult speaks up against injustice and looks for solutions. Continuing the hatred is making the problem worse rather than looking for ways that each and every one of us can heal and stop the injustices happening. Religion is a great divider and when used to justify atrocities against humanity it has to be challenged. Both Islam and Judaism has crossed into unacceptable use of their religious beliefs to destroy one another. We somehow have to rise above our differences and unite on a higher plane of truth and justice. WE can live together. WE have done that well in Canada for many years. I find it disturbing that our PM Harper supports Israel when Canadians have always supported multiculturalism. I write to our PM as well to stand for peace rather than support IsRael no matter what they do. Many people are seeing the injustice and unfair fight in this area and as responsible adults and global citizens are speaking about what they see. Hopefully we can rise above the hate and live together in peace and celebrate our differences not kill one another because of them. PEACE.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 9:22 am

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 9:43 am
Barbara: I take it by smiling that you agree with being more respectful on Care 2 in the future? That would be refreshing!

Carrie B (306)
Thursday November 20, 2014, 11:22 am
Thank you Bruce and Darlene.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 21, 2014, 3:26 pm
Thanks for yuour comment, Darlene.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 21, 2014, 3:30 pm
Bruce, many thanks for your comment.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Friday November 21, 2014, 4:26 pm
Barbara: I am going to hold you to being respectful to all people who comment going forward. We don't have to agree with one another and can have heated discussions but we can be cordial. Peace.

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 22, 2014, 6:52 pm
You didn't see any irony in the eye of the smiley face, Darlene???

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Sunday November 23, 2014, 7:28 am
I do not believe you are smiling Barbara - that is not irony that is sarcasm on your part - but as I said I am going to hold you to being more respectful going forward. As I also said that would be refreshing for you to make your points without derogatory commentary. There is no place for these types of comments on Care 2.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 27, 2014, 6:14 am
Darlene, as you should well know, I make points and provide documentation. What I get back is a lot of sass, criticism, and derogatory comments.
As you also well know, I respond to that on the same level assuming that is all the giver is capable of understanding.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Thursday November 27, 2014, 8:05 am
Barbara: You assume just because someone does not agree with your point of view that they don't understand it! That is quite arrogant on your part. Many people here do not agree with blanket support of what Israel is doing. We have different viewing points and that is no reason to start using such derogatory language as "you goyische". We are looking for a way to achieve peace and this is not the way by continuing the 'great divide". Many know that taking sides is making a very troubling situation worse. Children are caught in the middle of this mess that was created thousands of years ago and that we cannot seem to heal. The healing has to start somewhere. Many on this forum are looking for solutions of how to achieve peace, not to take sides and exacerbate the hatred and make it worse. We understand that Israel is saying they are "defending" themselves" but it has become clear that they have gone beyond this and are now taking an aggressor role that is not helping achieve peace in this area. In this type of war sadly both positions have become hateful rather than standing up for one's rights as a human being. This is a difficult situation and taking sides and fuelling the hate is not helpful. How is the healing going to begin? I challenge you Barbara that you are stirring the pot of hatred rather than looking to ways to heal. You want Israel to be right and this is not the case in what they are now doing. Both sides are not helping matters. NATO countries have to lead by example, not by picking sides. The higher principle of PEACE has to be addressed constantly or this war will continue and more people will be murdered. How is this going to stop if we continue arguing rather than honestly looking for a path to peace?

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 4, 2014, 12:34 pm
There is nothing derogatory about the term. It simply means non-Jew. What do you suggest we call you?
Learn there will be no peace until Israel is destroyed (don't hold your breath because they can't get us all) and we will always be Israel until the end time comes.
Even if they did the Christians and all other infidels would be next. Israel, palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia,
Iran, Irag, Nigeria, Kenya, Afghanistan, Turkey, France, Britain, The U.S., Sweden, Libya, Yemen........
You can't possibly believe that all this will end when Israel is annihilated do you?? And if this is not stopped it WILL mean Israel and ALL the Jews will be destroyed if you don't believe and know that cannot ever happen because it isn't written.
We are not the ones who will end this.

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Thursday December 4, 2014, 3:47 pm
Goyische implies that the person is not only not Jewish but ignorant of what Judaism is. A much more respectful word would be people that are not Jewish. Just as the word “you Jews” is derogatory so is the usage of the words “you goyische”. How does “do no harm” have anything to do with the annihilation of ISrael. Do you believe that the people on this forum that say that Israel is using excessive force are calling for the annihilation of ISrael? Do you believe that every single person that is Islamic wants Israel destroyed? I am sure there are many Islamic people that understand that we are all human beings and each one of us has the right to be here and live with respect and dignity. There is certainly religious brainwashing in Islam, Judaism and Christianity but the hope here is that people from all around the world of many colours, creeds, races desire to live in peace and are speaking up about “do not harm” as higher than all religious and human law. There is a big movement around the world and an awakening to the horrors of mistreating all life that causes such grief and suffering. There are many people on Care 2 strongly standing up for the rights of animals as well understanding that we humans do not have the right to exploit and abuse animals. Times are changing. I have read many comments by Care 2 members that understand that if this hatred continues we ALL will be dead - that is why we ALL have to talk about peace. I live in Canada where all religions and races live side by side. IT can be done. It has to start with the children, teaching them to create and live with joy and to do this without harming others. There is so much to learn, to explore and to captivate the imagination on Planet Earth. We do not need to be killing one another. There is plenty of space for ALL and in fact if we all worked together and worked together with Planet Earth we could create a paradise. It is within our reach and within our possibilities of choices. Where is your hope Barbara that there are now millions of people working and speaking for peace? We have to teach this hope to the next generation. Children only learn from their elders. WE have to stop teaching hatred and start teaching hope!
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