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One Last Appeal Before a Bedouin Village in the Negev Is Demolished and a Jewish Town Is Built in Its Place ~ TEXT and VIDEO


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Carrie
- 1448 days ago - mondoweiss.net
The Bedouin village of Umm el-Hieran in IsraelâEUR(TM)s southern Negev desert is running out of time and appeals before it will be razed to the ground and an exclusively Jewish town will be built in its place.



   

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Past Member (0)
Monday June 1, 2015, 3:16 pm

Mondo Weiss is a Palestinian Arab extremist and hate site.

It contains no real news from Arab world: no politics, no sports, no science, no culture, not even religion. All posts are dedicated to blaming Israel in all possible sins and calls for more fighting.

This site is a source of hate and lies, to be spread by Arab Nationalist and Dawah PR workers all over the world.


Carrie continues with her agenda...
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Monday June 1, 2015, 5:39 pm
Sad
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 1, 2015, 8:30 pm
So horrible
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 1:56 am
I don't see the point of this. Why destroy what's already there. . . ?
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 5:05 am
Terribly sad because we all know what the outcome is going to be, re-trial or not.
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 6:45 am
Agree with you Lona... I don't see any other outcome. From the article, they've already established an underground water system in anticipation. And from the article:

Like their settler counterparts, Hiran’s residents are also religious-nationalists. The fortress of mobile homes hidden in the desert oasis is full of ideologues who consider themselves “pioneers.” They see Bedouins who are citizens of Israel as squatters on the “last vast land reserve of the Jewish people,” according to a promotional video for the OR Movement. Af-Shalom waxed casually over “thousands of illegals,” Arab-owned, “gas stations” and “restaurants.”

To the Bedouins in Umm el-Hieran, the establishment of nearby Hiran was an act of aggression. They view Hiran as an illegal settlement driving them off of their land in the same fashion a Palestinian in the West Bank views encroachment from Israeli settlers. Even more, Hiran’s inhabitants already erected water lines underground Umm el-Hieran as a bold move of setting up infrastructure in advance of the court handing the territory over.

Thanks Carrie.
 

Mitchell D (82)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 7:25 am
I have long been angry about the continued building of "Settlements" by the Israelis.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:25 am
"the 25 Jewish-Israeli families who want to move into Umm el-Hieran are already living in mobile houses in a nearby nature reserve. They relocated there in 2009. Set behind a barbed-wire fence and a gate, they are ready to motor their caravans downhill to the Bedouin town as soon as the bulldozers remove the last shanty structure. Their hope is to construct 2,500 units serving more than 10,000 Israelis.

Hiran does not have building permits for their trailer park. Yet no demolition orders have ever been issued. Construction inside of nature reserves is strictly forbidden in Israel, Hiran included. Still the community was built openly and with a degree of advertisement by the OR Movement, a private company that seeks to expand Jewish-only communities in sparsely populated regions of Israel."

SO typical

And with the present government, we are likely to hear of more such situations (or perhaps we won't hear of them, because the media won't be allowed to share it ....)

I wonder what that joint Israeli & Palestinian committee in the Negev is doing about this ...
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:44 am
Part of what I find so disturbing is that this behavior is so similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 1930's. Taking their property and redistributing it among their own. I find it more than a little frightening.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 5:23 pm
No, Carrie, Jews in Germany did not have the highest birth rate in the world. Arabs in Gaza do.

Jews in Germany did not shoot rockets at German cities. Arabs do.

Nazis placed Jews in concentration camps, but Israelis gave of their land to Arabs to build 23 Arab state, and 2nd Palestinian Arab state.

Jews in Germany were happy to emigrate anywhere, yet millions of Arabs want to immigrate to Israel.

Arabs are great at stealing victimhood status which they did not earn.

Your Arab Nationalist propaganda simply doesn't fly.



 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 5:29 pm
Wow ~ Bob is so desperate he's now defending the Nazis! Israel has been stealing Palestinian land for decades, but you fail to mention that. And if Jews in Europe were so happy to immigrate ~ why did so many die in the gas chambers? Or didn't that happen either? You certainly do have a very selective grasp of historical facts, Bob.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 7:19 pm
"Israelis gave of their land to Arabs to build 23 Arab state, and 2nd Palestinian Arab state"
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????,,,,,,,,,
Somebody has their history totally back to front!! That's not a grasp of historical facts, Carrie - it's (science?) fiction!! And blatantly so!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 8:09 pm
Have already used up my quota, but ************************************************** to Nyack & Carrie
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 9:48 pm
Carrie, probably your translation program does not work well if you could find in my post any defense of Nazis.

Lots of Palestinian land belongs to the Jews, not to Arabs. Mind you, Jews are the real Palestinians. Arabs managed to steal this title after 1967, when Russian KGB told them to.

Jews in Germany wanted to EMIGRATE from Germany Carrie, not IMMIGRATE to Israel like lots of Arabs living in Arab countries do.

Jews did "die in the gas chambers" - and Arabs didn't. So much to your comparison of treatment of Arabs by Israel and Jews by Nazis.

Really, Carrie, "Your Arab Nationalist propaganda simply doesn't fly".
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 9:58 pm
OMG Bob, you are hopeless if you believe one word of that drivel. The JEWS are ALL living on ARAB land!!!
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:00 pm
STOP SPEAKING TO US IN A DEROGATORY MANNER!!! I flagged your post .. If you wish to speak about us, as least show enough human dignity to call us Jewish people or even Jews .. Your offensive terminology used when talking about us, says much more about you than it does about us!!!
Nyack Clancy (524)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 7:46 pm
lol

...before Jew arrived with their religion? send green star | flag as inappropriate
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:12 pm
Alexa, since you speak to almost everyone in a derogatory manner, may I suggest you also flag yourself?
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:13 pm
Carrie, this just might help you, but then again, who knows .. But at the very slim chance that I may be of assistance to you, I quote:

Arab: Arab
ˈarəb/
noun
1. originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighbouring territories, now inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa.

Jew (jo͞o)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
[Middle English Jeu, from Old French giu, from Latin Iūdaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic yəhudāy, from Hebrew yəhûdî, inhabitant of Judah, from yəhûdâ, Judah; see Judah2.]
jew (jo͞o)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.
[From prejudiced perceptions of Jews as extortionate moneylenders.]

And just in case you really don't know where Judea is, it is where the Israeli 'settlers' have been living for the past nearly 4000 years, uninterrupted.. Judea has NEVER been without its Jeeish inhabitants..

Jews are the OLDEST and ONLY surviving people from that time. None of the original 'canaanite' peoples are about today, they have been conquered by many different enemies and are today an extinct people ..
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:15 pm
Oops, *Jewish
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:19 pm
Tell all that rubbish to the Bedouins 'your people' are throwing off Bedouin land!
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:32 pm
So you condone Nyack's derogatory terminology used against Jewish people on your thread, Carrie?
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:42 pm
You can refer to us as Jews, Nyack.. But not the derogatory terminology you used ..

As for Arabs, I have not come across any who mind being referred to as Arabs, just like I have not come across any Jewish people who mind being called Jews ..
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday June 2, 2015, 11:46 pm
Red herrings, alert.
A problem calling Jews, Jews ?? What next!


Back to the story that Carrie posted, concerning the Bedouin community in the village of Umm el-Hieran.


The Bedouin village of Umm el-Hieran in Israel’s southern Negev desert is running out of time and appeals before it will be razed to the ground and an exclusively Jewish town will be built in its place. After a decade of legal battles—a matrix of court cases over lands, houses, and demolition orders—the Bedouins now have one final petition at their disposal, a re-trial. If they lose this hearing their township will be demolished and the saga will end with a modern Jewish bedroom community owned by a private Israeli developer that does not sell homes to Arabs.

“We exhausted the appeals process. What we are trying now is a second hearing/review,” said Khalil Alamour, a lawyer with Adalah the legal group representing Umm el Hieran. “At the same time we are submitting a separate request to ‘freeze’ the demolitions until the hearing.”

In the lead up to the final ruling expected in the next few months the 25 Jewish-Israeli families who want to move into Umm el-Hieran are already living in mobile houses in a nearby nature reserve. They relocated there in 2009. Set behind a barbed-wire fence and a gate, they are ready to motor their caravans downhill to the Bedouin town as soon as the bulldozers remove the last shanty structure. Their hope is to construct 2,500 units serving more than 10,000 Israelis.

Hiran does not have building permits for their trailer park. Yet no demolition orders have ever been issued. Construction inside of nature reserves is strictly forbidden in Israel, Hiran included. Still the community was built openly and with a degree of advertisement by the OR Movement, a private company that seeks to expand Jewish-only communities in sparsely populated regions of Israel. The OR Movement partners with the Israeli government on numerous housing development projects and is the recipient of a handful of state awards for excellence in building new communities.

In 2013 I visited Hiran with colleagues Phil Weiss, Max Blumenthal, Scott Roth and Irene Nasser. We piled into a rental car and roamed the Negev desert until we finally found it tucked deep inside of Yatir forest. The gate opened by remote control and inside we met resident Af-Shalom. After introducing ourselves he told us to wait for a live-in spokesperson, Moshe, who could answer questions. We sat in a courtyard of the trailer park’s synagogue that also hosted a pair of public bathrooms. On an exterior wall a plaque reads, “The landscape development was completed with thanks to the generosity of JNF UK.” Moshe never arrived.

You can read Blumenthal’s storify about our reporting trip here.

From Af Shalom, I learned that most of Hiran’s residents relocated from Susya, a settlement in the south Hebron hills of the West Bank just under a 30-minute drive away. Susya, he told us, is closer to Hiran than Israel’s only major city in the desert, Beersheva and Hiran’s inhabitants keep close ties with the settlement. Weekdays Hiran’s adults travel to Susya to work and the children to school.

Like their settler counterparts, Hiran’s residents are also religious-nationalists. The fortress of mobile homes hidden in the desert oasis is full of ideologues who consider themselves “pioneers.” They see Bedouins who are citizens of Israel as squatters on the “last vast land reserve of the Jewish people,” according to a promotional video for the OR Movement. Af-Shalom waxed casually over “thousands of illegals,” Arab-owned, “gas stations” and “restaurants.”

To the Bedouins in Umm el-Hieran, the establishment of nearby Hiran was an act of aggression. They view Hiran as an illegal settlement driving them off of their land in the same fashion a Palestinian in the West Bank views encroachment from Israeli settlers. Even more, Hiran’s inhabitants already erected water lines underground Umm el-Hieran as a bold move of setting up infrastructure in advance of the court handing the territory over.

Israel gives away Umm el-Hieran

Umm el-Hieran was founded in 1956 by an order from Israel’s military governor, a unique establishment story for an Arab-Palestinian town. Their descendants (and their lawyers) have copies of correspondence between the village heads and Israel’s prime minister’s office that verifies a lease to the Bedouins and a commitment from the state of Israel that they have “no intention of transferring” Bedouins off of the site. Even so, Umm el-Hieran’s lease was never logged into city planning maps. In 1980 Israel then turned over the village to the JNF, without telling Umm el-Hieran’s residents. Later in 2002 Hiran won building permits to construct a Jewish-only town on Umm el-Hieran’s lands. Again, no one notified Umm el-Hieran that the state had given away their village.

When the state finally realized Bedouins were living in the grounds where Hiran intended to erect a suburb, demolition and eviction orders were issued in 2003 and 2004, respectively. For a third time, no one ever notified Umm el-Hieran of their village’s ever changing status.

Finally in 2007 the Bedouins of Umm-el Hieran caught wind that their village was slated for demolition. They immediately filed a petition asking the state to take a look at their lease from the 1950s. Court proceedings initiated, but the case froze. To date no decision has been made.

The Bedouins then went on the offensive. They submitted separate challenges to the demolition orders and eviction orders. They also filed another petition calling for the state to register the lease it gave them in the 1950s. By 2010, Umm el-Hieran was entangled in a half dozen lawsuits. When one of the cases closed that year in favor of the Bedouins, the prime minister’s office intervened and cancelled the ruling, instead recommending the Bedouins relocate.

Today, the old demolition case from 2003 is finally nearing its end. If the Bedouins do not win their re-trial, they will have exhausted the legal tools available to them. Their circumstances are particularly unfortunate, because the Bedouins do have lease from Israel to continue residing where they are. As the Bedouins see it the problem is Israel’s courts refuse to look at those documents.




 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:02 am
If it wasn't so despicable, it would have been laughable ..

There is an almighty difference between using the singular of Jew when speaking of a single person (like in the verse you quoted) and using the singular when referring to many people (like your derogatory post) ..
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:22 am
Nyack, in future, it would be best if you check your typos before submitting, to avoid offending others with derogatory terminology.. It would be a small but kind gesture..
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 1:28 am
So you are derogatory towards Jews because the language of the bible offends you? Go figure..
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 1:33 am
The Hebrew word used in the bible means an ill omen, something that brings you bad luck.

I quote: Abomination (from Latin abominare, "to deprecate as an ill omen") is an English term used to translate the Biblical Hebrew terms shiqquwts ("shiqqûts") and sheqets שקץ,[1] which are derived from shâqats, or the terms תֹּועֵבָה, tōʻēḇā or to'e'va (noun) or ta'ev (verb).

The Biblical words usually translated as "abomination" do not always convey the same sense of moral exceptionalism as the English term does today, as it often may signify that which is forbidden or unclean according to the religion (especially sheqets). Linguistically in this case, it may be closer in meaning to the Polynesian term taboo or tapu, signifying that which is forbidden, and should not be eaten, and or not touched, and which sometimes was a capital crime. The word most often translated "abomination" to denote grave moral offenses is Tōʻēḇā. This article examines the term as it is used in English translations of the Bible, and also the actual senses of the words which are being translated into this term in English.[2]
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 1:38 am
The English translators used the wrong word when translating the Hebrew into 'abomination'.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 2:11 am
Nyack, it is not the Jewish religion per se that demands respect from all the world while giving none! There are many Jews, including Jews actively practising their religion, who do not share the attitudes of the pro-Zionists because of the lack of respect accorded to non-Jews (and more specifically to the Palestinians). There are even practising Jews who believe that it was wrong to create a State of Israel in the Middle East!

The problem lies not in the Jewish religion, but in the political philosophy of Zionism as it has evolved over the last century. Zionists do not speak for all Jews. They expect to be accorded a special status – rights that they do not accord others, impunity when they overstep and refuse the human rights of others.

More generally, what I find quite fascinating in comments above is the clear position that the Jews did NOT choose to immigrate to the land then called Palestine! That can only mean that the organisations that helped the refugees gave them no choice in their destination. Effectively: “We will help you leave Europe – but only if you accept to go to the land we have chosen.” No other destination was eligible for any assistance …. I had not heard it stated as such before. Sounds close to an imposed choice …. Was part of the conditionality “And when you get there, you must join one of our militias who are fighting to take over the land.”? (The militias that at that time were classified as “terrorist” – even by Ben Gurion.)
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 2:38 am
Anti-zionism is simply many people's disguise for Antisemitism..

I quote:

“Zionist” is a concept that’s basically simple, clear, easy to define and understand, and there should be no difficulty defending its definition. But over the past 20 to 30 years, this simple concept has turned into one of the most confused and complicated notions of identity, and its overuse has made it impossible to agree on what it means.

The right likes to use it as a type of whipped cream to improve the taste of dubious dishes, while the left treats it with fear, as if it were a mine liable to explode in its hands − which is why it always feels the need to neutralize it with some strange adjective, as in “sane Zionism” or “humane Zionism.” In the dispute between the “national camp” and the “peace camp,” Zionism is used as an offensive weapon that is batted from one side to the other.

Abroad, critics of Israel use Zionism as a kind of poisonous potion to exacerbate every accusation against the state. Many critics believe that the solution to Israel’s future lies in the de-Zionization of its identity. Among Israel’s sworn enemies, “Zionist” is a demonic epithet, a term of denunciation that replaces the word “Israeli” or “Jew.” Hamas members speak of the captured Zionist soldier, and Hezbollah and Iran speak of the criminal Zionist entity, not about Israel.

So it’s about time that we try to define the word “Zionist” realistically. First of all, we must remember that from a historical perspective, the concept emerged only at the end of the 19th century. It’s meaningless to try and describe Yehuda Halevi as a Zionist, or any other Jew who immigrated to the Holy Land in centuries past. In the same fashion, we can’t use the terms “socialism” or “socialist” for periods before the middle of the 19th century, and describe Robespierre, for example, as the “socialist” of the French Revolution, which occurred at the end of the 18th century. These concepts only have significance from the time when they emerged in a specific historical context, and tossing them around freely as labels for anything we choose is a clearly anachronistic act.

If so, how would we define who is a Zionist, starting from the emergence of the Zionist movement as inspired by Theodor Herzl and his associates? Here is the definition: A Zionist is a person who desires or supports the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, which in the future will become the state of the Jewish people. This is based on what Herzl said: “In Basel I founded the Jewish state.”

The key word in this definition is “state,” and its natural location is the Land of Israel because of the Jewish people’s historical link to it. Thus my grandfather’s grandfather, for example, who came to the Land of Israel from Thessaloniki in the mid-19th century, cannot be considered a Zionist. He came to settle in the Land of Israel, not to establish a state here. This is also the rule for the ancestors of Neturei Karta and other Hasidic groups that came to the Land of Israel as far back as the 17th and 18th centuries, and who remain loyal to it. Not only were these Jews not interested in establishing a Jewish state, but they include some who saw − and still see − the State of Israel as an abomination and a desecration of God’s name.

A Zionist, therefore, is a Jew who supported the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, and not necessarily one who actually settled in the land. Herzl himself and many Zionist leaders never settled in the land, yet you wouldn’t hesitate to call them Zionists. Even today, the members of Zionist federations worldwide are considered Zionists by us and by themselves, even though they don’t live in Israel.

Anyone who believes that only a person who lives in Israel can be a Zionist is essentially saying that today, there are no Zionists outside the State of Israel, and that’s not the case. And what about those born in the Land of Israel − are they considered Zionists based on their place of birth alone?

A Zionist is a person who wanted or supported the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. What kind of state? Well, every Zionist had his own vision and his own plan.

Zionism is not an ideology. If the definition of ideology, according to the Hebrew Encyclopedia, is as follows − “A cohesive, systematic combination of ideas, insights, principles and imperatives that finds expression in the particular worldview of a sect, a party or a social class” − then Zionism cannot be considered an ideology, but merely a very broad platform for various ideologies that may even contradict one another.

Ever since the State of Israel was founded in 1948, the definition of “Zionist” has been revised, since we don’t need to establish another state. Therefore, its definition is as follows: A Zionist is a person who accepts the principle that the State of Israel doesn’t belong solely to its citizens, but to the entire Jewish people. The practical expression of this commitment is the Law of Return.

The state’s affairs are indeed managed solely by its citizens − people who have an Israeli identity card, of whom 80 percent are Jews, while 20 percent are Israeli Palestinians and others. But only a person who supports and affirms the Law of Return is a Zionist, and anyone who rejects the Law of Return is not a Zionist.

Nevertheless, Israeli Jews who reject the Law of Return and declare themselves non-Zionists or post-Zionists ‏(whether from the right or the left‏) are still good citizens who are loyal to the State of Israel, and retain all their civil rights.

From this it emerges that all the big ideological, political, security and social questions over which we do battle day and night have nothing to do with Zionism. They are similar to the questions that many other peoples, past and present, have had to struggle with, and still struggle with.

Moreover, Zionism is not a word that’s meant to replace patriotism, pioneering, humaneness or love of one’s homeland, concepts that are found in other languages as well. Hebrew is rich enough to endow every position or action with the appropriate word. An Israel Defense Forces officer who serves in the standing army for many years after his compulsory service, for example, is no greater Zionist than the kiosk owner eking out a livelihood, though we would certainly see him as a greater patriot. A person who volunteers to help needy children is no more a Zionist than a stockbroker, although he may be a greater humanitarian.

To be a Zionist is not a badge of honor, or a medal a person wears on his chest. Medals are connected to actions, not to support of the Law of Return.

Nor is there any connection between the size of the country and Zionism. If the Arabs had accepted the partition plan in 1947, the State of Israel within the partition borders would have been just as Zionist as it is within different borders.

Ha'aretz
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 2:39 am
OH WOW..another one of "those threads".. oh well, thanks Carrie ..and take it easy! ;)

I'm afraid nobody hears their calls,cries,appeals.. if you placed a hundred Rachel Corries right there that would still not stop the Israeli bulldozers, read killing machine.
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 2:39 am

Abroad, critics of Israel use Zionism as a kind of poisonous potion to exacerbate every accusation against the state. Many critics believe that the solution to Israel’s future lies in the de-Zionization of its identity. Among Israel’s sworn enemies, “Zionist” is a demonic epithet, a term of denunciation that replaces the word “Israeli” or “Jew.” Hamas members speak of the captured Zionist soldier, and Hezbollah and Iran speak of the criminal Zionist entity, not about Israel.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 3:15 am
Alexa -
Your clarification of the term "Zionism" matches the way it is used by many on C2NN. Far from all Zionists live in Israel - although most probably claim Israeli nationality along with their other nationality. Zionism is a political movement - not a religion. This is frequently stressed by many criticising the policies & strategies of the State of Israel.

And many Israelis are not Zionist.

We've been trying to stress this over and over again. Thank you for agreeing & confirming the point in the first part of your explanation. You yourself seem, however, to be getting confused in the second part. Being Zionist or not being Zionist is not a function of one's work. Not even all IDF soldiers are Zionists. It is a personal political choice - albeit, usually strongly influenced by up-bringing & education. I wonder whether your great great grandfather, & your great grandfather would be entirely happy with what the Zionist movement has done to the land they came to love.

Interesting that you recognise that your great great grandfather came as a settler. So he and his children were among the Palestinian Jews by the end of the 19th century.

I think that perhaps some of your friends would do well to read these comments on Zionism very carefully, in order to grasp the difference between Zionism, Judaism, and Israeli .... .

BUT - wait a minute ..... are you A.B. Yehoshua?

Or is that basically very useful comment actually entirely an inadequately attributed quote? From
Defining Zionism: The belief that Israel belongs to the entire Jewish people
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 4:21 am
Martin Luther King Jnr

When people ctiticse Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.

I see Israel as as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world as a great example of what can be done....how a desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy

And which of you thinks that you are better than he in understanding racism and hatred? Both father & son are shining examples to follow, perhapst carrie, jess, evelyn and, most especially nyack, should consider their words.
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 4:29 am
Israel’s defensive Operation Protective Edge against Hamas rocket fire revealed that it took a military conflict to show that anti-Zionism cannot be decoupled from anti-Semitism. As veteran observers of contemporary anti-Semitism are aware, the rejection of Jewish state sovereignty in Israel (i.e., anti-Zionism) has always been an inherent part of Jew-hatred. In the late 1960s, the Austrian Jewish writer and Auschwitz survivor Jean Amery wrote, “Anti-Zionism contains anti-Semitism like a cloud contains a storm.” To put it mildly, Amery’s definition of modern anti-Semitism wasn’t accepted by post-Holocaust Europe as a force to be combated. Anti-Zionism was deemed by many Europeans to be a politically and socially correct world view. In short, they viewed it as a form of legitimate “Israel criticism.” The calls for the dismantling of Israel and shouts to kill Jews on the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, and Frankfurt, to name some of the major European cities where they’ve occurred, are indicative of a lethal anti-Semitic mass movement. What unifies many European elites, large numbers of Muslims, motley crews of leftists and neo-Nazis is a loathing of the Jewishness of Israel. The 19th-century anti-Semitic German historian Heinrich von Treitschke infamously said, “The Jews are our misfortune.” For the modern anti-Semite that slogan has been transformed into “Israel is our misfortune.” Take a small sample of some of the headlines in the media about what is unfolding in Europe: “Neo Nazis, Islamists Declare ‘You Jews are Beasts’ During Protest of Israeli Operation” in Frankfurt; “Firebombs Fail to Ignite at Toulouse Jewish Center”; “Madrid Jews Vow Legal Action against Author Who Justified Expulsions”; “Jewish Museums in Norway closed for fear of Attacks”; “Well-Known Italian Philosopher: ‘I’d Like to the Shoot Those Bastard Zionists”’ ; Pro-Palestinians Throw Molotov Cocktail at Paris Synagogue; It’s Like 1938, Says Israeli Ambassador to Germany”; “Anti-Semitic Attacks Scar British Cities.” Germany, yes Germany, seems to be one of the main hubs of some of the most intense anti-Semitism. Protesters in Berlin chanted slogans calling for the gassing of Jews. Continental Europe has tolerated enormous amounts of anti-Semitism over the last few decades. Critics correctly point out that there is a market demand for demonstrations of it in Europe. The pressing question remains: Why is there such tolerance for and such a great demand for hatred of Israel? The Israeli psychoanalyst Zvi Rex famously said, with biting sarcasm and irony,” The Germans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz.” The line can now be updated to: “Europe will never forgive the Israelis for the Holocaust.” Continental Europe’s complicity in the Shoah helps explain the constant ad nauseam attacks aimed at the Jewish state. Many Europeans seek to cleanse their guilt about the Holocaust. Bashing the Jewish state — and tolerating those who seek to obliterate Israel — creates a catharsis effect. The addition of Islamic-animated anti-Semitism by Muslims in Europe has created a pathologically violent climate for Jews. The European Left has stoked anti-Semitism and somehow believes it is insulated from the disease because the Left is supposed to be free from Jew-hatred. It is worth reading this timely piece in the British Telegraph: “Is the Left Anti-Semitic? Sadly, It Is Heading that Way.” To their credit, European leaders—Chancellor Angela Merkel and French president François Hollande — have issued condemnations of modern anti-Semitism in their countries. But Germany and other European countries showed the disconnect between their official rhetoric and their actions by abstaining during last week’s crucial United Nations Human Rights Council vote. The UNHRC vote singled out Israel for a war-crimes investigation because of its defensive measures against the EU-designated terrorist group Hamas. Commentators deemed the UNHRC measure to be anti-Semitic. Can Europe regenerate itself in terms of human rights and show that its democracies can mature in the 21st century? The litmus test will be how the EU deals with Israel.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384039/why-anti-zionism-modern-anti-semitism-benjamin-weinthal

 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 4:41 am
As for the Bedouins, the village has no planning permission and the Bedouins are being moved to new apartments elsewhere, they are not being left homeless and, in fact, will be far better off.

And the point that is racist and insulting, which sets the tone of the whole poorly presented article of the kind that anti-Semites so love to jump on to, is that it says Jewish Israelis. Not ture, Israelis are made up of people of many different ethnic origins many, BUT NOT ALL of whom, are Jewish. They are predominantly Jewish because Israel is a Jewish state. Note that some 20% of Israelis are Palestinian Muslim in origin, there are also different types of Arabs who live in Israel happily.

As for Nyack and her question as to who lived in Israel for 500,000 years, I can tell her now that they weren't human. The statement/question was a pathetic attempt to try to make Alexa look stupid but only succeeded in making herself look that way. Stupid is as stupid does.

Fossil evidence shows that modern humans evolved in East Africa around 200,000 years ago, since fossils more than 150,000 years old are known from Ethiopia and Kenya. However, they did not migrate from there until 50 - 100,000 years ago. So, where were they during the previous 450,000 years? Certainly not in Irael which did not exist as a country then.
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 5:09 am
"Zionism is not an ideology. If the definition of ideology, according to the Hebrew Encyclopedia, is as follows − “A cohesive, systematic combination of ideas, insights, principles and imperatives that finds expression in the particular worldview of a sect, a party or a social class” − then Zionism cannot be considered an ideology, but merely a very broad platform for various ideologies that may even contradict one another. "
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 5:13 am
Zionism Is not an ideology, not political or otherwise ..
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:12 am
Umm el-Hieran was founded in 1956 by an order from Israel’s military governor, a unique establishment story for an Arab-Palestinian town. Their descendants (and their lawyers) have copies of correspondence between the village heads and Israel’s prime minister’s office that verifies a lease to the Bedouins and a commitment from the state of Israel that they have “no intention of transferring” Bedouins off of the site. Even so, Umm el-Hieran’s lease was never logged into city planning maps.
(In the article.)

It would appear that Penny assumes that the failure to integrate the allocation of land into planning maps was therefore either trickery or intentional misleading by the Israeli Governor in 1956.

The alternative is that the allocation was sincere - but that somewhere in the clerical process, somone slipped up.

I note that the attitude being expressed is that it is absolutely fine when settlers act in ways contrary to the law ... but an honest and respectful gesture by the military governor is not worthy of respect.

Two weights, two measures, and impunity for the settlers ... the same story as is intensifying with growing extremism in Israel.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:21 am
Incidentally, according to the Jewish Virtual Library, about the MLK "quote":
"He is also attributed with having said, "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism," in response to a student who had attacked Zionism during a dinner event with Dr. King in 1968. " Attributed, but not a confirmed statement

A quote, sometime later, from a letter to Ben-Ami:
"Most of it [the pilgrimage] would be Jerusalem and they [the Israelis] have annexed Jerusalem, and any way you say it they don't plan to give it up... I frankly have to admit that my instincts - and when I follow my instincts so to speak I'm usually right - I just think that this would be a great mistake." (also cited on the Jewish Virtual Library Site

You should reread your Hasbara Handbook:
"Wrongly accusing people of Antisemitism can cheapen the charge, as well as being quite unfair."
Hasbara Handbook page 26
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:26 am
It was a direct quote that was posted on CareTwo long ago. You can verify it elsewhere if you're concerned with it's authenticity. He was correct and very knowledgable being quite familiar with racism.
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:33 am
Nyack, how could you POSSIBLY know what Bibi thinks??? All you know is the junk propaganda you read, along with your friends.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:37 am
Misquotes are possible - better to check & cross check sources
And check & cross check THEIR sources.

Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend
""Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend" is an open letter falsely attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. that expressed support for Zionism and declared that "anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so."[1] The letter has been widely quoted on the internet and in a speech of the politician Ariel Sharon. The proclaimed sources of the letter, like an appearance in the Saturday Review from August 1967, do not exist. The first known reference to the text appeared 1999, over thirty years after King's death.
History

The letter may have been based on a statement attributed to King at a dinner event in Cambridge, Massachusetts.[2] According to Seymour Martin Lipset, an African American student made a statement sharply critical of Zionists at a dinner that Lipset recalled as having taken place in 1968, and King replied: "Don't talk like that. When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism."[3]

According to Eric Sundquist, a professor at UCLA, "eventually, through channels that are difficult to pin down", this quotation was transformed into a text purportedly by King titled 'Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,' which supposedly appeared in an August 1967 issue of Saturday Review and was purportedly reprinted in a book This I Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.[2] However, no such letter was published in any of the four Saturday Review issues released that month,[2][4][5] and no book by that name has been located.[2][4][6] The letter was not found in the King archives at Boston University.[5]

There appear to be no references to the letter before 1999.[5][7] Tim Wise suggests that it originated with Marc Schneier, who published portions of it in Shared Dreams: Martin Luther King Jr. and the Jewish Community that year.[4]

Fadi Kiblawi and Will Youmans have questioned the authenticity of Lipset's account.[6] According to a Harvard Crimson article published days after King's death, King had not been to Cambridge since April 23, 1967.[8] Kiblawi and Youmans did not find any 1968 speeches by King in the Stanford University archives.[6]

The letter was quoted by Ariel Sharon before the Knesset on January 26, 2005.[9] It was also cited by the Anti-Defamation League in testimony before the United States House of Representatives.[5][6][10] Other prominent individuals quoting the letter include Natan Sharansky (in the November 2003 issue of Commentary) and Mortimer Zuckerman (in the September 17, 2001, issue of U.S. News & World Report).[6]

FN
References

The original text of the document is available on a number of different websites; see [1] and [2] for examples.
Sundquist, Eric J. (2005). Strangers in the land: Blacks, Jews, post-Holocaust America. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press. p. 109. ISBN 0-674-01942-3.
Lipset, Seymour Martin (1969). "The Socialism of Fools": The Left, the Jews, and Israel. New York, NY: Anti-Defamation League. p. 7.
Wise, Tim (2003-01-21). "Fraud fit for a King: Israel, Zionism, and the misuse of MLK". Z Magazine. Retrieved 2009-08-26.
Green, Lee (2002-01-22). "CAMERA ALERT: Letter by Martin Luther King a Hoax". Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America. Retrieved 2009-08-26.
Kiblawi, Fadi; Youmans, Will (2004-01-17). "The Use and Abuse of Martin Luther King Jr. by Israel's Apologists". CounterPunch. Retrieved 2009-08-26.
Burchill, Julie (2003-12-27). "Corrections and Clarifications". The Guardian (London). Retrieved 09-10-2009. Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
"While You Were Away". The Harvard Crimson. 04-08-1968. Retrieved 09-10-2009. Check date values in: |date=, |accessdate= (help)
PM Sharon's Knesset Speech Marking the Struggle Against Anti-Semitism (26 January 2005)
A Discussion on the U.N. World Conference Against Racism; Hearing before the Subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights U.S. House of Representatives, July 31, 2001.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:39 am
I see that now Alexa is suffering from a disappearing name and profile ....
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:46 am
I reported you lie about me ..


Evelyn B. (56)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:39 am
I see that now Alexa is suffering from a disappearing name and profile .... send green star | flag as inappropriate
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:50 am
The settlers ARE NOT acting against the laws - not international laws. Verify it yourself. Research the Geneva Convention 1949 and 1977 Protocols, the ICJ, the IHL, and the ICRC, as well as the International Rules of Warfare.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:56 am
Alexa, two of your comments above have no image, no name, 0 in the contacts .... and the link to profile shows joined today, no name etc. The icon doesn't show in a copy and paste - but anyone can see that I was not lying ... This is a "disappearing name and profile". I only knew it was you because I received a message - where your name appeared.


. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:26 am
It was a direct quote that was posted on CareTwo long ago. You can verify it elsewhere if you're concerned with it's authenticity. He was correct and very knowledgable being quite familiar with racism.
send green star | flag as inappropriate


. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:33 am
Nyack, how could you POSSIBLY know what Bibi thinks??? All you know is the junk propaganda you read, along with your friends.



You have therefore flagged me on a mistaken basis. Had you asked why I'd made such a comment, I would have explained. But you preferred to interpret a description as an attack ... rather than verify (and possibly ask Care2's help in addressing your disappearing profile & icon).
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 8:01 am
In reply to the unnamed person, who apparently is NOT Alexa R but some ghost in the system ....

. (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:50 am
The settlers ARE NOT acting against the laws - not international laws. Verify it yourself. Research the Geneva Convention 1949 and 1977 Protocols, the ICJ, the IHL, and the ICRC, as well as the International Rules of Warfare.

From the article:
"Hiran does not have building permits for their trailer park. Yet no demolition orders have ever been issued. Construction inside of nature reserves is strictly forbidden in Israel, Hiran included. Still the community was built openly and with a degree of advertisement by the OR Movement, a private company that seeks to expand Jewish-only communities in sparsely populated regions of Israel. "
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 9:25 am
I reported another lie by Evelyn, Contrary to her claim,all my comments show a name and picture:
Evelyn B. (56)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:56 am
Alexa, two of your comments above have no image, no name, 0 in the contacts .... and the link to profile shows joined today, no name etc. The icon doesn't show in a copy and paste - but anyone can see that I was not lying ... This is a "disappearing name and profile". I only knew it was you because I received a message - where your ...

You have therefore flagged me on a mistaken basis. Had you asked why I'd made such a comment, I would have explained. But you preferred to interpret a description as an attack ... rather than verify (and possibly ask Care2's help in addressing your disappearing profile & icon). send green star | flag as inappropriate
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.
 

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 11:30 am
And you continue lying, Evelyn .. Those nameless comments were NOT my comments as I've already explained to you three times .. ALL my comments have my picture and name with it ..

No compassionate person will misunderstand another person's direct correction three times, and probably still continuing with your persistent lie even after this third correction from me ..
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 11:51 am
evelyn, still waiting to hear why Egypt doesn't have any Palestinians.

Also waiting to hear why you didn't condemn Egypt when your army went in and destroyed Palestinian homes in Gaza.

 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:01 pm
evelyn, MLK supported Israel and condemned anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism. The quote was verified as belonging to the son. But, as I said, no-one is better qualified than the MLKs when it came to racism and your remarks fall into that.

I have also pointed out, on many occasions, that anti-Zionism is also regarded as anti-Semitism. You choose to ignore the international definitions because you are anti-Semitic and don't like being told so. You are also refuse to condemn your own country for abusing Palestinians. That is also anti-Semitic.

This is some of what Evelyn believes

2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes

“And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’

2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed

“When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers.

2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies

“And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam

“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers — for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything — unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.”

3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger

“You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honour, and forbidding dishonour, and believing in Allah. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly. They will not harm you, except a little hurt; and if they fight with you, they will turn on you their backs; then they will not be helped. Abasement shall be pitched on them, wherever they are come upon, except they be in a bond of Allah, and a bond of the people; they will be laden with the burden of Allah’s anger, and poverty shall be pitched on them; that, because they disbelieved in Allah’s signs, and slew the Prophets without right; that, for that they acted rebelliously and were transgressors.”

3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts

“We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”

3:181 Jews are bound for hell

“Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’”

4:34 Beat disobedient women

“Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”

4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah

“And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…”

5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad

“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

5:41 Jews listen to falsehood and pervert the meaning of their Scriptures

“O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths ‘We believe’ but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, ‘If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!’ Whomsoever Allah desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with Allah. Those are they whose hearts Allah desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies

“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”

5:59-60 Jews cursed, made into apes and swine

“Say: ‘People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in Allah, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?’ Say: ‘Shall I tell you of a recompense with Allah, worse than that? Whomsoever Allah has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols — they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.’”

5:64 Jews accursed

“The Jews have said, ‘Allah’s hand is fettered.’ Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and Allah loves not the workers of corruption.”

5:72 Christians are unbelievers

“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’”

5:82 Jews most hostile to the Muslims

“Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.”

6:91 Jews deny, conceal divine revelations

“They measured not Allah with His true measure when they said, ‘Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? You put it into parchments, revealing them, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Say: ‘Allah.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging.”

6:146 Jews insolent

“And to those of Jewry We have forbidden every beast with claws; and of oxen and sheep We have forbidden them the fat of them, save what their backs carry, or their entrails, or what is mingled with bone; that We recompensed them for their insolence; surely We speak truly.”

7:166 Jews are apes

“And when they [Jews] turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’”

8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them

“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”

8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme

“Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”

8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah

“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

9:5 Slay the idolaters

“Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

9:28 Idolaters unclean

“O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”

9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians

“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah

“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of Allah.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!”

9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords

“They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son — and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate.”

9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers

“O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna — an evil homecoming!”

9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah

“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them

“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive

“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers

“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.”

62:6 Jews should long for death

“Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”

98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures

“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:05 pm
Zionists at it again, stealing and uprooting Palestinians from their homes. Call it what it is.

True to form, more deflection and rubbish, off topic.
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:06 pm
Among the quotes confirmed to be by Martin Luther King, Jr., on the persecutions of the Jewish people and support for the State of Israel and Zionism are the following:

"I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned."

"Israel's right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable."

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality."

"I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all."

"When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism."

This last quote is not from any letter but from a speech he gave at Harvard University 1968!
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:08 pm
Evelyn, you have no right to speak for me or to make assumptions on my behalf

"It would appear that Penny assumes that the failure to integrate the allocation of land into planning maps was therefore either trickery or intentional misleading by the Israeli Governor in 1956."

Please withdraw this and apologise. It is unacceptable behaviour.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:10 pm
Unfortunately, MLK has been dead for 47 years. I'm afraid if he was alive today he would take a much different view of Israel and the atrocities committed against the Palestinians. What he said in the past is no longer valid considering Israel's ever increasing racism and persecution of others.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:26 pm
Penny - you've been having a (bad) dream if you think I have ever made any suggestion ever that I believe any of those rubbish statements! You must have imagined such ideas in your own head, and projected them as coming from me - This in no way represents any of my words, nor even my thoughts - and has absolutely nothing to do with any beliefs of mine.

It would appear that, despite having been informed otherwise, you are still convinced that I am an Egyptian (not insulting, but totally inaccurate) and an Islamist (an insult, as I have made it very clear in many places that I hate extremists in any form, because they are destructive and they promote hate & fear-mongering - irrespective of what form of religion they adhere to ... or reject.)

Actually, I'd be proud to be Egyptian: they have a heritage to be proud of, and at different point in time I've had the priviledge to work with some wonderful, human, socially responsible & caring Egyptians (Muslims and Christians) ... but I wouldn't like to have to cope with the political mess that they are in at present. But that is politics, and the majority of people just have to struggle to get on with their ordinary lives from day to day.

Incidentally, I have also worked with a number of Palestinians resident in Egypt. I can only suppose that you are referring to the fact that there are not large refugee camps in Egypt, not trying to suggest that there are no Palestinians there. Because the latter would be yet another error of uninformed assumptions.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:41 pm
In reply to Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:08 pm
Evelyn, you have no right to speak for me or to make assumptions on my behalf

"It would appear that Penny assumes that the failure to integrate the allocation of land into planning maps was therefore either trickery or intentional misleading by the Israeli Governor in 1956."

Please withdraw this and apologise. It is unacceptable behaviour.

Penny - you claimed:
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 4:41 am
As for the Bedouins, the village has no planning permission and the Bedouins are being moved to new apartments elsewhere, they are not being left homeless and, in fact, will be far better off.

I replied referring to the fact that in this particular case (very much an exception) they HAD authorisation, I quoted the information .... If you read the article, then you were rejecting any recognition of the Israeli military governor who made a rare and good gesture. In the light of this fact,you seemed to put his sincerity into question in claiming that the Bedou had no permission .... And I did say "It would appear" not "Penny thinks".

Very different from your categorical statement about "This is some of what Evelyn believes " - followed by a bundle of extreme racist rubbish.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 12:46 pm
For the record - the quote is often attributed to someone reporting this as an exchange at a dinner in Cambridge in 1968 ....
However MLK hadn't been in Cambridge since 1967.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 2:51 pm
Evelyn, you should know better than to confuse her with facts! LOL!
 

David B (34)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 6:16 pm
just imagine if all the time spent in churches was instead spent on worthwhile endeavors , if all the money given to churches was instead donated to worthy causes , if all the religious leaders changed vocations to social work and counselling so they may truly help others , if all the people who prayed for something actually did something constructive about it . if all the fears of punishment by an invisible god were lifted from the shoulders of people everywhere , if all the love people generated toward a deity was instead redirected toward other people just imagine if people gave up religion for reality .(Bob Beecher) I think this is one of the best things I've ever read on line . unfortunately , most people need the myth crutch to survive . and so we get crap like what I've watched on here today .instead of intelligent conversation .
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 7:22 pm
Peace!! We are one. Born and returning to the same force of energy. Wickedness in thought and deed is never committed just because one was born of a certain race. Environment does contribute, but so does the rest of the world's reaction and action. Some of the news may well be propaganda. We need keep open minds, as always. Man created a separateness among man--so only man can undo that. Separateness is used as an excuse to call another "bad", "enemy"--an automatic response and in error. There are bad entities, enemies, of your own blood and beliefs. I see this thread all over Care2, of "name-calling", lumping all of one race or religion into one--putting blame for certain wicked actions on the entire race or creed. You know, in your heart, that can not be true. If we undo the separateness, and it must begin soon, we can stand a chance of addressing the most important issue staring all men in the face--saving whats left of Earth and all life. You can only do this, united. All, as one, asking the heavens for help to save Earth and all that lives--and allow truth, beauty, peace, love, renewal, to return to this planet. Does this not make sense?
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 3, 2015, 11:22 pm
@Alexa --- It was obvious it was a typo ... as I suspect, you knew, all along.................
Comment on the article posted, stop stirring the pot, give it a rest.


 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday June 4, 2015, 1:08 am
************** Nyack!
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday June 4, 2015, 10:42 pm
Nyack **************** !!
***************** Evelyn!!
 

Arild Warud (174)
Friday June 5, 2015, 3:56 am
The post was about: One Last Appeal Before a Bedouin Village in the Negev Is Demolished and a Jewish Town Is Built in Its Place .

From the article: "Their circumstances are particularly unfortunate, because the Bedouins do have lease from Israel to continue residing where they are. As the Bedouins see it the problem is Israel’s courts refuse to look at those documents.

How can anybody call Israel a democracy when it dosn't honour their agrements with neither the Bedouins nor the Palestinians or for that matter anybody who speak up against the Zionists.

Israel is a farse and the sooner the world realises this,the sooner it will be able to solve these Israeli landgrabs.
 

Catherine Alquiler (160)
Friday June 5, 2015, 6:15 pm
Well, I have not time to read all the commentaries, what I think is : nobody should destroy the house of another man. How can peace come in this case, so sad, so difficult for man, woman, children to lose their home. I have friends of both religions that I love and respect. I have a dream to see this world in peace.
 
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