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Why Are Israelis Turning a Blind Eye to Settler Violence?


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Carrie
- 1388 days ago - al-monitor.com
The murders of a Palestinian toddler and a teenage girl have shaken Israelis from a willful blindness toward an already deteriorating situation that must be addressed to prevent a slide toward even more violence.



   

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Roslyn M (26)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 5:38 pm
If the Israeli's start paying attention to the violence committed on Palestinian civilians, that might lead to a small improvement.
 

Arild Warud (174)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 3:26 am
Because it's official Zionist policy.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 10:43 am
I agree it has to be addressed. . . the various parties need to get together, face to face, and rather than throwing accusations at each need to engage.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 10:17 pm
Noted. Thanks Carrie. Peace, love, truth.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 11:44 pm
Thanks, Carrie

"For years, however, we’ve been turning a blind eye to the uprooting of Palestinian olive trees and the perpetrators of the violent and vandalistic “price tag” attacks. We tell ourselves that these incidents are nothing more than graffiti sprayed on the walls of a house in an Arab village and that its perpetrators are just a bunch of bad apples, a small group of radical settlers gone wild who do as they please, representing no one but themselves. Thus, we refused to see that these bad apples have multiplied rampantly and that there is no one stopping their growth."

Roslyn - If it were only the Palestinian toddler, the attention might only last for the time the world media is looking their way ...

But they have also targetted "one of their own" .... so maybe it will encourage more Israelis who are not extremists (but who protect their comfort zone by closing their eyes to abuses of Palestinian human rights) to face up to the fact that there is something wrong in allowing these extremists so wide a margin of impunity ... Giving the pertpetrators and their groups the impression that they are true heroes of Israel's values, not peace-destroying criminals using terrorist tactics.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 1:31 am
Noted
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 5:24 am
No violence can bring prosperity
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 7:15 am
Not in the long term, anyway, Fi!

John (G .... ) - not only some of those kibbutzem in the '40s (especially the Haganah, Stern Gang etc etc) but also ealier - see 1913: Seeds of Conflict .....
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 7:31 am
What a farce! Palestinians see family homes destroyed on suspicion - doesn't even need proof - as well as hundreds under AD on the slightest "suspicion" .... no proof required

But hardly surprising, such comments illustrate exactly what the article is talking about ....
Acts of terror by extremist settlers are given a free ride -
The slightest hint of accusation, and Palestinians are taken into AD ...
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 7:32 am
or put another way, "Why is Benny Netanyahu turning a blind eye........?" Because he is an Arrogant, War-Mongering Bastard, that's why!! Netty can lie all he wants, but that man will never want peace. Should be obvious! Thank you for sharing.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 9:55 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Janet B (0)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 12:56 pm
Thanks
 

Steve D (13)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 11:02 pm
Because it is part of israel's final solution to the non-jewish question.
They have become what made their illegal nation possible in the first place.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 11:47 pm
It's an interesting question, badly muddied by a whole lot of false claims.

The most relevant care is in the article, where it seems Rivlin did not get certain news: The stabber at the Pride parade had not been able to "walk freely in broad daylight" in ten years, having just gotten out of prison for a similar attack. He actually serves as a fair example of the opposite, of enforcing the law against these people. B'Tselem and other similar organizations have been caught, repeatedly, reporting dishonestly either with straight-up false stories, exaggerations, omissions, or undeclared non-verification. In reality, Israel has a long history of coming down hard on its own radicals. Irgun and Lehi split off from the main pre-Israeli Jewish militia, Haganah, because it was not radical enough for them. It destroyed them in the middle of the 1948 war. After that, a party arose which supported the expulsion of all Islamic Arabs from the country, and it was banned from running for parliament under laws forbidding inflammatory actions which could drive violence. More recently, these three articles going back to 2013 paint a different picture:
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Police-arrest-14-Jewish-teens-for-alleged-price-tag-attacks-328011
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175975#.VcRNVFQVhBc
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4518337,00.html

On the other hand, the individual arrests see the crimes treated as individual cases, not as a pattern linked through an organization nor even a cohesive movement, which they are. Although "price taggers" were declared as a group illegal so that membership in such a group is sufficient grounds for arrest, as far as I know no such preventative action has been taken, with them arrested for vandalism rather than membership, nor even incitement-laws like those under which the old party was banned. More could definitely be done. The whole "price tag" movement may be very difficult to dismantle, but the settlements where they originate are known and de-radicalization campaigns could be run there, and other campaigns against the movement overall could be launched. I hope that with the Haredi parties in government, as much as I generally wish they were left as marginal as they were before, and the government now starting to move against that extreme movement, somebody will be able to get through to its members and effectively shut down it down for another generation.

Just a quick detail about why even if Israel were to handle Jewish extremism as aggressively as Palestinian, the results would look very different: Israel holds absolute military and legal supremacy within the settlements and the 1949 borders in a way it does not among Palestinians, especially in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It can send in police, trained to prioritize protection of innocent people, rather than soldiers who are trained to prioritize elimination of threats. That right off the bat means less intimidation,and less chance of violent escalation, so fewer people get hurt. Those police officers need not fear getting killed by militias, or at least not ones of the sophistication or size of Palestinian ones so they can survive using less aggressive tactics even in overall similar operations, leading to things like searches of homes rather than bulldozing. Even if they do start handling Jewish terrorists as such rather than as individual criminals, don't expect to see the same sort of destruction as among Palestinians.

All that said, the danger of organized Jewish supremacist terrorism is nothing new. If the burning of the baby was not "just" a revenge-killing for the Israeli killed in the area recently by Arabs, I am very glad to see the current response. The fact is that with all of the accusations of Israeli terrorism, many have lost sight of just how incredibly dangerous real Jewish terrorism can be. For an idea of how scary it is, consider that when I learned about it, I found myself applauding al Qaeda's first kill in the U.S., Meir Kahane, who was recognized as the leader of such Israeli radicals.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday August 7, 2015, 6:44 am
Stephen
Something that does have to be factored in is a fact that you stressed in a discussion last year. The article was about settler violence, Palestinian kids aggressed when they had to pass a settlement on their way to schoolevery day - and several of us were criticising IDF soldiers present who did nothing to prevent the aggressive actions. You pointed out (with quite detailed references) that the IDF orders are very clear about their role - to defend the settlers, not to prevent their actions against Palestinians. You pointed out that they could act if the Palestinians turned on the settlers . Orders ......

Do you not think that this reality that you pointed out to us feeds in to a sense of impunity among those who, already when quite young, are able to insult, throw stones, wave their weapons at Palestinians under the eye of IDF security services .... Knowing that if there is response to their provocation the IDF will step in & grab any Palestinians who react with violence (fists, stones .... not guns, anyway - they don't have them) ....

A very unhealthy situation, which encourages strange values ..... especially when historically-rooted tradition tends to project the assumption of "we Jews are always the victims" ..... And many times in history this has indeed been the case ..... But the existence of the State of Israel was promoted on the basis of a homeland where the Jews would be the power, to prevent the kind of victimisation to which they've often been subject .... What few even imagined - and many even today cannot imagine, is that the tables would be completely turned ... and Jewish Israelis become victimisers of non-Jews (and of Jews who genuinely believe "NEVER AGAIN - FOR ANYBODY - Jewish or non-Jewish") ..... But look at the threats against Rivlin, look at Yitzhak Rabin ....

You are very right - Jewish terrorism can be exceedingly dangerous ... Not least, because many people don't wan(t to recognise that it exists *****************************************

That situation always reminds me of the cleverer of school bullies - ready to run to teacher or parents & raise a scandal if they get hurt : "It wasn't my fault - (s)he hit me first!" ... and the provoked victim is punished/ suspended or whatever ....
 

Steve D (13)
Friday August 7, 2015, 10:33 am
Evelyn
A vexing issue indeed. I think that the problems in Israel will unfortunately only end when one side is eliminated, which I think will also not happen, both sides will destroy themselves (or be destroyed) at the same time.. It seems that hatred is too far ingrained on either side to make rational thought and decisions possible. There is far too much tit-for-tat and all sides are stuck too far in the past to deal with the present (using something that may have happened a few thousand years ago as a reason is insane).

Everyone wants the last word, remember Arafat & Rabin at the White House? How do you expect peace to be achieved when they argue simply about who will go through the door first?
No-one wants to compromise on anything because they think it makes them look bad (like the US congress).

How do you address the feelings of a parent of either side when their child is killed by the other? Who would not want revenge? I am sure that is quite difficult to counter.

Another issue to me is that the world in general does not take any ownership to the problem at all. As you state "the existence of the State of Israel was promoted on the basis of a homeland where the Jews would be the power, to prevent the kind of victimization to which they've often been subject". The state of Israel was created in large measure because of Hitler's policies towards Jews. So as the world was heavy handed in the creation of Israel they should be just as heavy handed in keeping the peace there. Letting Israel become much like the very thing that created it is certainly not helping, continually giving them a pass because of what happened is not working either.

Perhaps the world needs to step in and have a new military occupation of the place impose order, an army of only Buddhists maybe as they have no vested interest in Palestine.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday August 7, 2015, 12:15 pm
Steve

I actually don't think that hate is generally ingrained as much as you say - except among those who are heavily influenced by more extremist political movements. If you read some of the reports & witness statements of Israelis who (often with considerable hesitation) have reached out and visited Palestinians in villages & Palestinian neighbourhoods - with an empty hand help out in tentative friendship - they've been astonished sometimes by the welcome they've received .... once they clearly come in friendship. JVP was the fruit of such experience, as was the film 5 Broken Cameras ... a number of peace activist groups reflect the same opening for coexistence without hate ...

But it is true that the guilt over lack of recognition of the worst of the concentration camps (& not only to Jews) served as a major drive to accept the formation of the State of Israel in the way it happened ...... Although the direction had been adopted prior to Hitler's/ Nazi atrocities .... there was a little matter of a form of bribery/blackmail of Britain/ Lord Balfour in 1915-17 ... "we'll get the US engaged in the war, if you promise to supports a homeland for us" (the geographical local not firmly fixed) .... and the Zionists delivered as promised, demonstrating the tight hand they held in key high places in the US .....

(Watch 1913: Seeds of Conflict to understand that selection of Palestine for this homeland ... combined with totally different cultural attitudes - based more on places of origin, Russian & East European mindsets, much more than on Semitic values ... which are surprisingly similar irrespective of which religious group ... a series of old archived films provide some striking insights!)
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday August 7, 2015, 12:18 pm
I wish everyone could and would watch '1913: Seeds of Conflict'. It explains so much.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday August 7, 2015, 2:41 pm
Hi Evelyn :)

Yes, I think the IDF's orders provide some of the aggressive settlers with a sense of impunity. While they may be investigated by police, the investigations are extremely difficult because they have support from their communities: Imagine a criminal where half the town is happy to provide alibis. That's what the police face. Even if convicted, they tend to face only individual charges like vandalism or assault for acts they themselves took. Their acts as a unit, provoking tensions, intimidation, and effective support of more serious assaults, do not get prosecuted as they should be.

The assassination of Rabin was terrible, and the threats against Rivlin are a serious problem. I wouldn't go so far as to say the table are completely turned as the sources of those threats are marginalized (for good cause) fringe-elements of Israeli society, but they definitely are there. They're not the "they hit first" crowd. They're more the open "it is right to destroy them" crowd. I still don't think you realize just how scary Jewish terrorists would be; It's not even the impunity that's frightening. It's the mindset. Typical terrorists, to inspire terror, seek something flashy that gets media-attention, makes a scary story, and terrorizes a population. These guys are more along the lines of scaring people with dry statistical-scale killing. Here's an example of what I mean: In the planning of the September 11 attacks, bin Laden was reported as wanting a spectacle. In the end, his operatives killed 3,000 people. It was flashy and full of images remembered today, but the direct physical and economic damage to a country of hundreds of millions of people was practically negligible. In a similar position, if they tried to hit NYC, these guys would done something more like simultaneously taking out the bridges, tunnels, and ports while loading the areas with IEDs to slow repairs, leaving Manhattan with about a couple days' food. Nothing flashy, no images, just a body-count at least a hundred times what bin Laden managed a few days later. When I wrote on another post that I would not be confident in the continued existence of Gaza City in 2018 should people who don't know what they're doing and have a clear plan interfere with the handling of this faction, if the attacks were actually them, I wasn't exaggerating. They scare me.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday August 7, 2015, 7:04 pm
Wow, lots of typos in my previous post. I hope it was legible. In case there is any confusion, I meant that only people who have an idea what they're doing and a clear plan should eve think about interfering in what's going on in Israeli internal politics right now. That, and I hope my tenses aren't too bad.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday August 7, 2015, 9:35 pm
No worries Stephen ~ I'm face to face with my computer just so I can see what I am typing and read what others write. Believe me when I say I am not critical of others' grammar and typing skills. I just appreciate the civility and courtesy to others in your comments. Thanks.
 

Steve D (13)
Friday August 7, 2015, 10:30 pm
Evelyn
No I agree with you,I think that the majority of the population of Israel and Palestine are moderate people, however just like in the US the elected ones are the intolerant bunch. Unfortunately the elected officials are the ones making all the decisions and they are only doing it for the interests of a very select always extreme few. There is also the issue of the different factions in Palestine, they need to unify as well for a real peace to happen.

There should be some hope for the future, a lot of the youth of both sides are fed up with the status quo and want serious change. With luck, they will be able to live long enough to get into power and achieve it..
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 20, 2016, 10:36 am
THANKS
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 20, 2016, 10:36 am
THANKS
 
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