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Palestinian Woman Shot Dead; Israelis Say She Was Armed, Witness Disputes It


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Carrie
- 1208 days ago - cnn.com
Israeli police said they fatally shot a knife-wielding Palestinian woman at a border checkpoint Sunday, but a Palestinian witness disputed that she was armed, saying she was a "terrified" schoolgirl.



   

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David C (81)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 11:39 am
sadly I am stopping looking at or commenting on any articles about Israel/Palestine after this......it seems here on c2 there are too many that are all "black or white" or "all or none" when in reality there is much more "gray".......
 

David C (81)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 11:40 am
of course, netanyahu needs to go away......
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 1:12 pm
The ones who control the media are the ones who decide the "truth,"
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday October 27, 2015, 1:50 pm
Dave, you are right -
The reality is many shades of grey (with blood red), not at all black & white ...

Thanks Carrie
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday October 28, 2015, 3:42 am
Agreed with you all.

Here's where the power of social media can redress the balance.

The Press/Media machine is a powerful mechanism which when in the hands of the rich and powerful becomes Orwellian.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 4:57 am
All good comments so far.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 6:15 am
No more sacrifice
 

Lona G (66)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 6:31 am
This is another case in which the two opposing sides, Israeli - Palestinian, also have opposing information on what happened and the truth may never be known. Both sides have their own media and both sides have their own audience to satisfy. That even holds for foreign media such as in this case, CNN.
 

Winn Adams (179)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 5:56 pm
Will it never end . . . . .
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 6:53 pm
Peace waits somewhere in time. Too late for too many. This lady and every innocent victim, are at the mercy of the 1% who rule the planet and promote their money-making wars. That's more scary and obscene than any Halloween flick.RIP all innocent victim's souls. Thanks Carrie. Noted sadly.
 

Helga Ganguly (138)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 7:30 pm
Often I wish there was real power in the UN. Then they could be "The Supreme Court" of earth and if a war broke out,it would be handled by troops from the UN. No more countries that are super powers or guardians swooping in to save smaller countries and never leave. U.N. Troops.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday October 29, 2015, 9:23 pm
Here's what I'm getting from this:

The Palestinian witness who disputed the IDF account said he didn't see a knife. He probably didn't, and he wouldn't have if she held a knife in front of her. The soldiers were more than a little paranoid there, expecting a stabbing because soldiers and police officers seem to be primary targets for stabbers, so they may have perceived a threat where none was intended nor really existed. Both sets of witnesses, the Palestinian and the IDF witnesses, may have told the absolute truth as they saw it. This still clears up nothing.

The trouble is that both stories are plausible. On one hand, youths seem to dominate in the stabbings. She could very well have intended to stab a solder there just like the IDF witnesses said, and the Palestinian witness might simply not have seen it. In a sane world, this sort of things should not be plausible, but the world is not sane, and certainly not the Middle East. This would fit a profile of a lot of recent attacks. On the other hand, the soldiers are rightfully scared of getting stabbed, and they take whatever measures they deem necessary to protect themselves. If they were well-trained and well-disciplined, not a conscript-force with no experienced personnel on the front line in these cases, then they would be able to let matters go much further without pulling the trigger, and without the sort of risks nobody, anywhere, could be expected to take.

The end-result is the same as it has been many, many times before: Israel needs to incorporate "career grunts" into its army to maintain discipline and keep its forces from getting tragically trigger-happy. To do that, it needs to get people into its army willing to do that job, which is a bit trickier, but probably not impossible. At the same time, unless they want this to keep happening, Palestinians need to stop honoring the families of stabbers, and the PA needs to stop encouraging and naming streets after them. Of course, there are major barriers to this as well.

I have a fair idea of what drives the media-spin on stories, and it's not some kind of conspiracy. It's their markets: They say what they expect will sustain the sizes of their audiences. As for the U.N., everybody might as well forget that idea. The primary driver of modern Zionism is Jews' loss of faith in the goodwill of the world. The U.N. holds zero moral authority in Israel and never will. Should the peacekeepers be led by the land of "None is too many"? Would the matter be better-handled by the largest contributors to U.N. missions, like Pakistan which has repeatedly deployed forces aiding Israel's opponents in its wars? Even the U.N. organization itself, through the UNHRC and UNRWA has crossed the line repeatedly. All that would come of a U.N.-sanctioned force is dead peacekeepers, and probably not without good cause.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 30, 2015, 2:35 am
Thanks for sharing
 

Gillian M (11)
Friday October 30, 2015, 9:28 am
Yes, a Palestinian witness. Now not all Palestinians lie but it is known that they lie as they breathe when it comes to Israel, Israelis and the IDF. And the person who posted this story has refused point blamk to condemn the attacks and murders of unarmed Israelis, elderly people and babies. There has been no condemnation of the incitement to murder by Palestinians nor the brain washing of babies and children to hate and murder Jews.

And this same person now criticises the IDF for protecting themselves from an attack. Nice one.
 

Janet B (0)
Friday October 30, 2015, 1:55 pm
Thanks
 

M B (62)
Friday October 30, 2015, 7:22 pm
'To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize' - Voltaire
Thank you, Carrie
 

Roslyn M (30)
Saturday October 31, 2015, 2:17 am
Who knows the truth? Either side could be lying.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 18, 2016, 10:45 am
THANKS
 
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