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His negotiating partners should stop demanding that he fold his cards before the dealing's done.


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Sheila D (194)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 12:20 pm
If voting blue means I have to vote for Clinton, I'll vote something else. She'll have enough votes to beat Trump with all of the GOPTP conservatives voting for her. In good conscience I cannot vote for someone I do not believe in and a party that doesn't care about me, and others like me. Thanx Carrie.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 12:33 pm
When the corrupt miasmic dust settles, if Bernie is not on the slate, I will vote for The Green Party's Dr. Jill Stein. She ran for president before and has plans drawn to immediately and earnestly address global warming, climate change, as an emergency---and remove the corruptors from our system. All of the issues we sign petitions for here on Care2, dealing with the environment, wildlife, agriculture, socioeconomics, etc, are also her top priority. It is more than worth a look at her site, or to view the videos on this site. Just search in the search box above. This election isn't merely to elect folks to a seat, it is virtually a matter of life and death of this planet and all living. So, we must think upon that when we cast our vote. Thanks Carrie.

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 1:06 pm
Just remember, if all democrats who supported Bernie ~ like I did ~ vote for someone other than Hillary ~ Trump will be our next president. I just hope there are as many republicans who hate Trump as there are democrats who hate Hillary. I will vote for her because I don't want Trump for president!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 3:36 pm
From within that article:

The Clinton team’s impatience is understandable, even if it lacks a certain grace. But they’re misreading both Sanders’ nature and the nature of the negotiations now underway. So is the New York Times’ Nate Cohn, who tweeted:

A fun thought experiment: imagine Sanders winning but Clinton refusing to endorse unless he adopted her views, etc

Christeen A (312)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 4:02 pm
Feel his Bern.

Animae C (508)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 5:42 pm
Thanx Carrie

Lucy S (45)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 7:03 pm
We have personal choices. Most Sanders' supporters will 'WRITE IN" Bernie's name on the Nov. 8th ballot. That's what my plan is. In good conscience, I could never vote for either Hill or Trump.
Thanks for the post. I enjoyed the article..

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 8:22 pm

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 8:30 pm
Just remember what Nader's votes did to Gore in the 2000 election.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 12:07 am

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 12:56 am
Hi Carrie, I think it was the Democrats' arrogance that forced Nader to run. They could have accommodated his position rather easily, but refused. If they show the same arrogance when dealing with Bernie, the outcome wouldn't be much different. Of course, we'd missing a president of Bush's caliber and all that stability he brought to us and the world! I fought back the urge to puke as I was typing this about Bush!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 1:43 am
That's interesting. . . is Democratic arrogance as fierce as Republican arrogance?

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 5:47 am
I wish that Nader would stop being used as a Scapegoat for the arrogance of a Party that has lost it's way from the FDR days. A Party that was NOT protecting those who had been and were supporting that Party.

Ralph Nader is a National TREASURE and it PAiNS me every time I see him abused in such a context. his work launched the consumer-rights, corporate-accountability, and other citizen movements. As his VP on that ticket he had a Native American woman, Winona LaDuke, in her own rights a strong activist and major environmentalist.

Can we only imagine where we would be today if people would stop supporting LAME Parties and keep on accepting the lesser or evils which only give us evil over and over again. So I will not support the status quo that has us marching off to our own doom. I'll not support either NeoCon that will continue us onward to everlasting wars.

I will not support one Candidate that is clueless to climate change and the other that claims fracking is bad in her home State to get votes while pushing other Countries to cram it down their citizens throats and into their backyards. I'll not support anyone that has a Monsanto lobbyist as her campaign advisor. If you need to be reminded of what Monsanto is all about watch this, a well made video MONSANTO THE MONSTER FROM AMERICA

There is more, but my passive resistance vote will be for Dr. Jill Stein IF Bernie Sanders is not the nominee. There are still court cases ongoing in some States, still almost a million votes to finish counting in CA, and a FBI investigation going on.

Oh and one more thing about the Nader situation, Florida was the State that was going to put Bush or put Gore into the White House. In my County when the person in charge pulled the tabulation from the rigged machines she got MINUS 16,000 votes for Gore. How can one receive MINUS votes? That should of been a positive count, but while she was trying to get help on this, the Republican held Gov. seat, just so happened to be Jeb Bush, the brother of George Bush made sure things didn't slow down.

Now the bottom line is George Bush on official record is said to have won by 537 votes. So if we had Gore and his 16,000 votes we'd not had a Bush in Office. That had NOTHING to do with Nader! That is a stolen election and the blame should go upon who CAUSED it. The Republicans! But they get off freely from it as a good man, Ralph Nader, is made the SIMPLE SCAPEGOAT, by the Democrats and then the REAL FRAUD is never mentioned.

And so here we are many years later with FRAUD in our voting because maybe it should've been seriously looked into back in 2000 instead of throwing Nader under the bus and then just moving along. I stood out asking where my vote was, as did many of us, where are our votes, but the National Guard was called out on us and I'm old enough to remember 4 Dead In Ohio. So we went home - and the next thing I know our National treasure in Nader is the "talking points".


If you don't stop supporting this you are NOT part of the Solution but remain part of the PROBLEM.

The Corporate Tyranny is killing us, killing us within our own Country and killing the people around the world. Dig in deep, open the eyes, it isn't about one election, it is about a series of events and years and of two Parties that keep this charade going. Thankful Bernie's voice got as far as it did, more eyes are open, but it was through the internet - the TV is sewn up by the Corporate.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 7:14 am
I had to return to this post to give a shower of green stars to Dandelion****************************** and to thank Dandelion for making the time to condense the truth about Ralph Nader and the corruption in the 2000 election that cost Al Gore the presidency---and when that corruption became clear to the masses, crowds took to the streets, peacefully asking where their vote was, as it had not been counted.

In Ohio, Mayor Richard Daley ordered law enforcement to open fire on the peaceful protestors, killing 4 college students. If you never heard that before---hear it again---the mayor of a city, ordered the police to open fire on peaceful protestors, just for drawing attention to the massive corruption within the government, by asking what happened to their Constitutionally given right to a free and fair election, the right to vote.

So, here we are again. Actually worse, because more than half of the American people realize that there is rampant corruption within the system. What is sad and maddening, is that about 1/8 of these have taken the stance to support that corruption. Perhaps because they and their candidate is affected positively by it.

If you ride that wave, then you are part of the corruption, part of the destruction of democracy in your country. Part of removing a Constitutional right, the right to a free and fair election and having all votes count. That is actually illegal, not merely immoral and unjust.

By standing on the side of the corruptors, you are also supporting the ongoing destruction of Earth, unless you happen to be a climate change denier as well. Even if you deny that, it is here. Presently, Earth and all that lives on it, are experiencing every manner of pestilence and about every sort of critical cataclysms nature has to offer. The corruptors mean to continue to deny it, ignore it, do nothing.

By standing with the corruptors, you are in fact saying that it is fine with you, that we not address the environmental calamity as an emergency. You are, in fact, deciding the dire fate of the innocent children, all people of the planet, all wildlife, all living things upon Earth. May I ask, why then are you a Care2 member, as I assume you do know what Care2 represents? I assume you do make the time to sign petitions, perhaps make comments, send letters etc., attempting to save what's left of Earth and all living?

If the answer is yes, that you are indeed humane, have a sense of fairness, do believe in true democracy, justice, all of the rights promised legally by The Constitution, including what Hillary Clinton wrote in her memoir, "Hard Choices"--- "we must abide by The Constitution and a right to a fair and free election"-------then why are you backing the corporate corruption that destroys all that? We know why she is. Do we have Care2 members who are not trying to save what's left of Earth and all living?

If so, then don't pussy-foot around the bush--be as proud of your heart and soul as we are in our support of what Bernie Sanders and Dr. Jill Stein stand for. Come right out and

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 11:04 am
Nader is not a 'scapegoat'. Everyone knows about the fraud in the 2000 election, but not everyone is aware of the fact that the number of votes Nader took away from Gore made the outcome a done deal for Bush. I'm a realist ~ a vote for anyone other than Hillary is a vote for Trump.

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 4:37 pm
Well, I think along the same lines as GGmaSheila. Clinton will have enough Republicans voting for her. She doesn't need my vote, and I'm not giving it.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 4:46 pm
I find it interesting that so many of those Bernie supporters who refuse to support Hillary now are still great fans of Elizabeth Warren. Warren ~ who refused to endorse her good friend and colleague Bernie Sanders ~ even though they share so many of the same views. Once it became clear Sanders had lost ~ Warren couldn't jump on the Hillary bandwagon fast enough. Being the realist that I am I see that behavior for what it is ~ self-serving!

Beryl L (78)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 8:13 pm
Janice you read my mind. If I could give Dandelion 100 stars I would.
Thank you, Dandelion. you said it so precisely, I encourage everyone to read her comment a few times until you understand it. If you don't get it; search the references she makes until you do. Read it and study the points she made. Then read it a few more times until you understand what is at stake and cast your vote wisely.
I couldn't in good conscience vote for Hillary.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 8:31 pm
I understand perfectly and while I wish Bernie had won the primary ~ he didn't, so I will ~ in good conscience ~ vote for Hillary, so Trump does not become president.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 2:04 am
Carrie, from another thread created by Dandelion

Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 2:06 am
That news article created by Dandelion

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 3:28 pm
Again whenever Nader is mentioned, HE and his ticket, did NOT take the election away from Gore.

Once more:

Now the bottom line is George Bush on official record is said to have won by 537 votes. So if we had Gore and his 16,000 votes we'd not had a Bush in Office. That had NOTHING to do with Nader! That is a stolen election and the blame should go upon who CAUSED it. The Republicans! But they get off freely from it as a good man, Ralph Nader, is made the SIMPLE SCAPEGOAT, by the Democrats and then the REAL FRAUD is never mentioned.

Bernie Sanders would of won, IF Corporate mainstream media gave him as much time as Trump and even Hillary, although Trump had his full campaign paid for by the free Corporate TV airtime. He KNOWS how to "play" them - after all he is Corporate through and through.

There are many stories that I have posted, that JL A has left links on, that Judy, Evelyn and BMutiny have posted that I see few "now" Hillary supporters even going over to, I see that people simply don't want to know, just put the head in the sand so it's easier to swallow the bitter pill to vote for Hillary.

Don't pay no mind to this elections hurdles that Bernie Sanders had to jump over, the boulders placed in his path, the fraud that was done and is DOCUMENTED and verified, that Hillary did NOT have happen to her.

So who truly won? Who was helped by the Corporate Establishment........

If you can look yourself in the mirror the next day after voting for Hillary then by all means do so. That is a right you have, your vote, just like there will be people who will go home and sleep well and look in mirror and feel content that they voted for Trump.

Both sides voting for the least liked ever in history Candidates for their particular Party because it is the 4 year chant of "voting for the lesser of two evils."

Some of us are more than a particular Candidate we are part of the growing movement and we just can no longer support that which we can no longer believe in, trust, or feel good about. I have also posted a lot of stories of why I can't feel good about it. Again, I don't see some of the people wanting to know. They will poke at Trump but will not look at the destruction that Hillary has ALREADY caused.

So some of just can't, we just can't do it. We can't feel good about it, we can't sleep well if we did vote for Hillary or Trump, and we could not look ourselves in the eyes the next day.

The Superdelegates STILL have not voted, CA still has NOT finished counting all their votes, the nomination is not yet SEALED, and too many Bernie supporters bailed out already on him, running to Hillary. Well ok it isn't something I can do or want to do. We'll keep the movement going for you all who still believe that the 2 lame Parties might work for you in this election.

I'm happy to see the SIT IN at the House - good, about time some Democrats did something like that. I will always vote for those who are in the Democrat Party that show me they are an FDR Democrat not the Third Way Democrat or the Sold to Corporate Democrat or the Democrat that has blood on her hands. Thanks for posting that above Darren. I want to mention Libya as well because even Obama regrets going in there on Hillary's pushing, now we have another Country infested with ISIS.

Thank you Beryl and Janice most kind and I'm glad you are also that aware to be supportive of what I had wrote.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 3:31 pm
People should check out what EarthDay had posted that just so happens to be on the sidebar right now.

Arild Warud (174)
Friday June 24, 2016, 4:29 am
I'm not so sure all Republicans will vote for Trump Carrie.
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