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Big Pharma Wins - Medicinal Herbs Will Disappear in EU

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Soon our health is not ours anymore. The pharma industry and the European government decides which medicament ( as long as it is not based on plants) you are allowed to take. There goes the freedom of choice....


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Past Member (0)
Friday January 14, 2011, 11:09 am
Oh, no. Thanks, Ralph.

Sharon Balloch (127)
Friday January 14, 2011, 11:44 am
Here we go... now where are all those witches when you need them.?? We will need their expertise now.. they have all the knowledge of plants and herbs.

Marti Williams (170)
Friday January 14, 2011, 12:06 pm
Tis is really scary...we are losing control more and more...

Past Member (0)
Friday January 14, 2011, 12:26 pm
What nonsense and what lack of thought for the health of everyone.

Parsifal S (96)
Friday January 14, 2011, 12:36 pm
It is all about our security, as GMO (COO) of Nestle Peter Brabeck said: Nature is incalculable, it is even dangerous, artificial created stuff is save.
How stupid do these corporatists think we are?

If we do not disobey this law, once it becomes decided is likely to go global. THIS time it starts from Europe.
So EC is proving, it's a leading empire caugh, caugh.

It all fits hand in glove.
A non-existing treat must be fought.
First the Communists, then Global Warming, then Overpopulation and now Mother Nature
Do not risk your health. Go petition!

Fie PIG Pharma, Fie!
Thank you my engaged, dear friend Ralph for bringing this up!
Noted, shared.

Past Member (0)
Friday January 14, 2011, 12:58 pm
Thank you Ralph. More and more , our freedoms are dissapearing.

Calle J (19)
Friday January 14, 2011, 1:15 pm
Which freedoms Leef?
They are cut off in Salami tactic, but eaten by an invisible insidious, perfidous monster, called Corporatism. An other expression of Globalisation, which stands for NWO!
Reducing overpopulation by every means.
This one was unexpected!
Please share the petition, as far and wide as you can:
Stop the Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive

Maria S (48)
Friday January 14, 2011, 1:20 pm
Many petitions have allready cirkulated ! We need a stong NO on this !
Thank you bless you !

Parsifal S (96)
Friday January 14, 2011, 1:48 pm
Gentle reader, please also note (comment) Ralph#s article in german language. THIS is to meet a greater number of audience!
EU Diktatur Will KräUter Verbieten!!! 1. April 2011 Pharma-Lobby Am Ziel?

Apolonia P (392)
Friday January 14, 2011, 1:57 pm
We have very good herbal products and medications in Poland, and we use them very often. Our NHS is in very poor shape now, so we have to choose natural treatment very often. I can't even imagine how to relay on pharmacoteraphies only...

Parsifal S (96)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:02 pm
What is NHS, Apolonia?
BTW please note Ralph's article in German, you even may comment in English or Polish - welcome...

EU Diktatur Will KräUter Verbieten 1. April 2011 Pharma-Lobby Am Ziel?

Apolonia P (392)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:19 pm
NHS is like British National Health System... Poor and unreliable as much as in UK. :-((

Apolonia P (392)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:22 pm
I should write "public National Health Service".

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:22 pm
the biblical term used to describe witchcraft was phamakia...the mixing of herbs and other con-coctions!
Natures herbs are the bread of Christ, and those against them are anti-christs

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:30 pm
Well, this is typical hysteria. You can still gather your own herbs. You just can't buy them from un-regulated companies who sell pre-packaged 'herbal' formulas with no verified content.

Get the story yourself, instead of some youtube video that passes on misinformation.

Sharon Karson (82)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:36 pm
Sharon B, they tried to burn us out but we're still around. Still quietly growing our herbs and doing our part to help others. We just aren't allowed to advertise or charge for it. So while big PHARMA gets rich we subsist on donations.

Calle J (19)
Friday January 14, 2011, 2:39 pm
Sir Walk F. Instead speading nonsense, have you look up the petition, I have linked?
(Friday January 14, 2011, 1:15 pm)


On which side do you stand, Sir?

Rose Becke (141)
Friday January 14, 2011, 3:24 pm
This is outrageous

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday January 14, 2011, 3:33 pm
Carl asks: "On which side do you stand, Sir? "

I see no need for 'sides', as they generally lead to the kind of broad brush strokes this video perpetuates. But if forced to choose, I am on the side of truth, not hysteria.

I have studied herbs for years, and have several very close friends who are herbal practitioners in the states. I have been following this controversy for quite some time now, and while I am in no way defending 'big pharma', or their 'medication', it would appear there is quite a lot of mis-information being perpetuated on this issue.

First of all, not all herbs are banned. Some, like echinacea, and many others, are still legal.

Secondly, MANY of the companies who supply herbs to distributors and practitioners are very irresponsible in their harvesting practices, and VERY OFTEN pass off very ow-quality product as being 'top shelf'.

over-harvesting of wild herbs is a serious issue in the industry, as is the un-regulated nature of many of the packaged herbs available at stores. Growing one's own, or learning proper wild-crafting techniques is vital to the process of learning from the plant world.

This video perpetuates half-truths and outright misinformation.

I am NOT on the side that make such spurious, misleading claims in the name of hysteria.

Susan T (21)
Friday January 14, 2011, 5:16 pm
Why doesn't the NIH and the FDA let us choose our own form of healthcare?

We don't need restrictions on herbal and homeopathic remedies, we need standards.

The Government is supposed to support the people, not Big Pharma.

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 5:59 pm
The war against Marijuana is one such instance, where an herb is labled as a class one narcottic, with no medicinal value, and outlawed for years, until someone figured out how to make money off of it as a medicine!
Propaganda, lies and bigotry was the instraments used to get the public to go along in this crusade!
For some ungodly the majority always feels that the majority can outlaw the minority, of which the constitution was to put an end to, but corporate greed put an end to the constitution!
It was stores like GNC that started puting medical clames on these herbs that opened them us to law suits, that gave way to fear, and controls!, and yes this prohibition is comming to America as well, because they love nothing more than a good witch hunt, as with Marijuana!
The best advice i'v seen on this thread is to learn to identify herbs and or grow your own! I can identify several, and i know their habitat, i do grow some also!
Being married to a marijuana advocate, we are use to the plant police, and the black market! so welcome to our world! The hippies tryed to warn everyone that this was coming, but we were shunned as usual because were just common criminals, as now so is everyone else, LOL, atleast not yet!
The world is just going full circle, back to war against the witches and the heathens, but if we could unite as one they would be beat, that is what beat the american Indians, they were divided and therefore conquered!
The corporations has taken our rights to free enterprise with licence's, and restrictions, that the commoner just cant afford, just priced out like politics.....................!

Past Member (0)
Friday January 14, 2011, 6:31 pm
The aim for governments is "Total Control" over every aspect of our lives

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 7:16 pm
So true Amour, it's like a ball of confussion comming at us from every direction, and by the time we head them off in one direction thay have gained head way in several more! This ball of confusion is spinnind so fast that all of our heads are spinning and since we cannot see the shaddow government/ the puppet masters, we are lashing out at everyone, looking for someone, anyone to blame!
I say it is the experts, leaders, educated that are the arms and the legs of this beast and they say that it is free will and non-conformity, so they just want to exterminate the free thinkers and just start over with Ford baby factory, creating programable humans, for the "Brave new world" is the new world order!

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday January 14, 2011, 7:58 pm
The Pharmies cannot stop us growing our own herbs - and homeopathy has been around for hundreds of years and will still be around when the Drug Companies have called it a day. If more and more people want to use natural medicines - how can they possibly stop us? It is called People Power. The Drug Companies may then decided to garner our homeopathic industries selling them at a higher cost to that would be a problem

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 8:23 pm
Look how many jobs that could create though, a cop in every herb patch!
What a witch hunt this could become!
Science fiction stories are based on the worse case senerieo of their given project, to break us to the mind set!
I havent seen that si fi yet, i guess it will be written as it goes, but here does it go from here. Are Shamen, healers, Witch doctors, midwives, going to be on the most wanted list! No more DR, MOM, with her home remedies! Back to the snake oil salesmen in dark corners, abortions in back seats!
What will it cost for the cures from their man made plagues? Our souls, and the mark of the beast!
If you would read the book of revelation in the bible as a sci fi story, you will see it unfolding daily, by the hands of our beloved leaders and our technology! It did not take much imagineation to plagerize the story, since millions have been lead to believe, that it is by the hand of god, that has brought this to us, for they can create us in their image!
The corporations, science and the government has technology that could fix the worlds problems with the blink of an eye, Alien technology, from right here on earth, that when they break it out we will act like a native seeing fire for the very first time, and fall and worship tham as gods, oops, i'm getting ahead of the story

Calle J (19)
Friday January 14, 2011, 9:29 pm
Sir Walk F.
Either you're kidding or you did not see the petition.
For those, still having their doubts, please click this link:
EU Declares Peppermint a Controllable Herb

Calle J (19)
Friday January 14, 2011, 9:53 pm
Sir Walk F.
One can reason with ignorance, but it is futile to argue with stupidity.
- Ed Fitch

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 9:54 pm
Watch out, Pepperment Patty, they're out to get you!
My husband chief wana dubie served 5 years in prison, because he was armed and dangerious with a bag of pot seeds, and that was in 1993
I guess that it is time foe chief pepperment, and chief garlic, and all of the chiefs of the herbal kingdom to stand up and be counted! The chief of the weeds/ GMO's are taking over the garden!
If we truly are decendants of Adam, the care taker of the garden, than it is our job, to protect it!
The garden is ripe, and it is time for the harvest Are we Herbs or are we GMO's?

Ruth R (246)
Friday January 14, 2011, 10:26 pm
For now people must grow their own, and share them with their neighbor. Call them food.

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 10:31 pm
Right on Ruth, the natives called it barter
Barted dead than sorry!

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday January 14, 2011, 10:40 pm
S510, forbides that we call it food, the food cops are coming to a garden near you, if they can out law Marijuana that they can outlaw any plant they wish, for any reason that they wish!
The Hemp plant with it's 50,000 uses was Americans sovergnity, it would have replaced the need for all, fossil fuels and synthic materials, now their science can replicate nature to suit their porpuse!
And they have the technology to replace us also!

Ana S (76)
Friday January 14, 2011, 11:25 pm
The unselfish nature is available to us.

Karin S (24)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 12:01 am

I specially want to thank Dr. Wolf-Dieter Storl, who is a great teacher to me.
Learning from nature means searching for natural sources.
Thank you, Ralph.

Melody Aragorn (135)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 1:43 am
"Everything on the earth has a purpose,
every disease an herb to cure it,
and every person a mission.
This is the basic theory of existence."

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 5:01 am
Yes, they will win. Money always win and herbs that cure naturally will take the back seat.

. (0)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 7:54 am
All drugs, whether 'pharmaceutical' or not, should be held to the same standards. And herbs, 'natural' medications, and such are drugs.

Michela M (3964)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 8:02 am

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 9:55 am
Oligarchy, corporate rule.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 11:04 am

. (0)
Saturday January 15, 2011, 1:03 pm
Thanks, noted!

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:03 am
They will stop some people some of the time but they will be unable to stop all the people all of the time! Thanks Ralph.

Calle J (19)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:04 am
Wonder, Lindese, where you get "your" information.
The lies are being debunked at the moment, on a global scale. It's time to change your investors.

Angela Dubie (306)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 9:35 am
They will stop some people some of the time but they will be unable to stop all the people all of the time! Thanks Ralph.

But if they kill off all of the herbs with poisons ect. we all lose

Sir Walk F (124)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 12:21 pm
Carl writes: "Sir Walk F.
One can reason with ignorance, but it is futile to argue with stupidity.
- Ed Fitch "

Carl, I feel exactly the same. Even AFTER presenting you with ample evidence and reason, you choose hysteria over fact.

Sir Walk F (124)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 12:24 pm
Carl spews: "Sir Walk F.
Either you're kidding or you did not see the petition.
For those, still having their doubts, please click this link:
EU Declares Peppermint a Controllable Herb"

Carl, as i've stated before, I am WELL read on the subject. Obviously more so than you.

The law you refer to is not saying peppermint is dangerous--it's saying the way it is harvested and sold needs ot be regulated. IF you knew ANYTHING about this issue, you would know that many herbs like peppermint are often sold by shady distributors who use irradiation, sell incorrectly labeled herbs, etc etc etc.

You choose fear and hysteria. I choose reasoned, informed research.


Sir Walk F (124)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 12:25 pm
Notice that Carl chooses to call names and belittle those who try to bring some reason and perspective into an issue being intentionally taken out of context likely for attention.

. (0)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:07 pm
Carl Gustav, you ask, "Wonder, Lindese [sic] where you get "your" information."

Well, the only statement of fact I made on this thread was, "And herbs, 'natural' medications, and such are drugs."

Where did I get that information? From the definition of the word 'drug', of course.

drug (drg)
a. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
b. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete A chemical or dye.

If it's a substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease, it's a drug. And herbal medications, 'natural' medications - whatever you wish to call them, are so used. They are drugs. Some useless, some useful, and some dangerous. But all are drugs.

. (0)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:12 pm
And Sir Walk is absolutely correct. These drugs are not being banned in the EU. They are being regulated. They will be judged according to evidence-based medical standards.

Don't like it? Grow your own. Since that isn't being regulated.

Kit B (276)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:36 pm
Would total control of your lives mean you would no longer have a right to free speech? Just wondering...

I also wonder why so many opt to be afraid of rumors, and make the choice to immediately believe the
wicked, evil, nameless, faceless, THEY mean harm.

From May 1 2011, customary herbal remedies require to be certified or advised by a registered herbal practitioner to adhere to an EU order. The order was introduced because of growing worries over unfavorable effects caused by lots of alternative medications.

JustaHuman H (53)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 1:53 pm
Maybe I should have made a blog....

Michael M (60)
Sunday January 16, 2011, 2:13 pm
On free speech:

Those of you that live in the united States have seen the development of the federal government under republican administrations continue their practices in spite of very loud free speech. Since this practice arose of pretending to be listening while busily creating propaganda, with the rise of Karl Rove's strategies in the late 1970s.
Reagan, acting as a president, along with strategists like the aforementioned Rove, understood that acting is the consummate skill needed. So did Cheney, and Bush. So does Obama.

The tools are words and phrasing easily learned by the relatively thoughtless response of the ignorant and frustrated - those most subject to becoming followers of anyone claiming to be on their behalf, no matter how transparently against their best interests.

Free speech is still useful for disaffected, but the combination of legislation outlawing increased areas of speech, the disingenuous permission by certain Supreme Court justices allowing "free speech" to corporations in their pseudo personage, and exempting threats made by tea party party members and others in power from this Bush-era patriot act, have diminished the impact of free speech.

It is useful for the disaffected in moving them to action; but here is the rub: it also moves a very few to do violence.

You have the right, but that right is increasingly being limited, narrowed, and made ineffective.

Nancy M (147)
Monday January 17, 2011, 9:06 am
I wish people would learn the difference between a blog with opinion and no facts, and real information.

Meanwhile, I think I have a grapefruit and get some vitamin C.

Teresa W (782)
Saturday January 29, 2011, 5:27 am

JustaHuman H (53)
Saturday January 29, 2011, 10:13 am
I cannot believe all that that nonsense here. And allways the same people arguing everywhere. Seems to be a hobby for people who have nothing else to do.

. (0)
Saturday January 29, 2011, 1:50 pm
Then you really should take your own advice, Ralph - and go find something 'else to do' with your time.
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