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Petraeus Won't Serve a Day in Jail for His Leaks. Edward Snowden Shouldn't Either


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Edward Snowden, David Petraeus, Daniel Ellsberg, CIA, whistleblowers )

Judy
- 1590 days ago - theguardian.com
The general shared incredibly damaging information with his lover, and got a slap on the wrist. So why do whistleblowers have to serve so much time?



   

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Teresa W (782)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 12:15 pm
So, some people are more equal than others...
 

Sue Matheson (79)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 12:49 pm
noted
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 1:21 pm
One of the shouldn't, but that one certainly isn't Petraeus.
 

Wilde Thange (10)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 1:34 pm
That is life in the ruling classes. Military Officers who order My Lai like massacres are never touched but bad apple scapegoats are targeted. Corporate executive bankrupting nations same thing. And they have no breathalizer or drug tests on the job either.
In this case information was leaked so someone who be able to better craft the lies to be published and make sure not truth leaks out. Same as likely the entire lies and deception of taking down our gent bin laden after providing excuse for invading Iraq. Leaking to Hollywood and news sources is standard procedure, it is spreading truth in government that is against the law.
Lies for war are as common as wars, the problem is pretending democracy and an informed public has ever existed versus the unspoken ruling class rules. They have no class and they have nor rules!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 12:09 pm
Noted, some good comments here.
 

Sharon F (0)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 12:50 pm
Remember General Betraous. He should be treated like everybody else; no excuses!!!
 

Carlene V (202)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 1:18 pm
Information should be available unless it impacts our national security. Personally, I think they are both cowards.
 

Gloria H (88)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 1:28 pm
National security and corporate interests...the line is blurry. Meanwhile, back at the home front our personal liberties are flying out the window faster than a balloon with it's belly button knot unfastened.
 

Pamela Tracy (5)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 3:46 pm
I am disappointed that this officer slimed his family with a journalist whore. Sorry, she is nothing but a whore..and of course she will lie forever because who know who saw these notebooks. Petraeus is another pig officer who like many pig male officers in the government are babied and coddled while women are lied about and do their job and do not act like whores but decent women. As far as Snowden, I will be very disappointed in him if he ever gives in to American crap. As far as Manning, he would be having far more fun if he had defected. As for me, a legal in writing whistle blower who has lots of real dirt on judges and employees in govt who lied about me because I would not dick their men any which way.....shit on govt. I have so much shit on my fellow women employees playing and lots of shit on male supervisors and both male and female judges doing wrong and lying about having govt employees assaulted. If I took a lie detector test...ha...these asshole govt elites would be done for. And, for what it is worth because I stayed in govt and fought while in govt and retired I get assaulted every single day for their wrongs.....
 

Pamela Tracy (5)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 3:47 pm
In the last govt office I worked in I have proof that four other senior women and myself a senior were covertly harassed out of a job and not because of my bigotry, their bigotry..puritanical crap and fanatical crap...those of us in the middle like myself did not stand a chance.......
 

Birgit W (160)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 3:47 pm
Thank God we have people like Manning, Snowden, and Assange. They are all heroes in my eyes.
It is time that the 1% and their corrupt politician friends get stopped.
 

Ken O (55)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 3:48 pm
Give away secrets to have sex, AOK. Expose secrets that humiliate a government, not so much.
 

Joy McRonald (168)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 4:11 pm
Noted,, Thanks
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 4:21 pm
Noted. Thanks, Judy. Definitely wrong that whistleblowers are prosecuted while those in high office are excused. Another sign of an Evil Empire in decline; which is too bad---it didn't have to be this way.
 

Jeannet Bertelink (74)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 4:44 pm
Noted, thanks
 

Louise D (44)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 5:29 pm
Isn't it Ironic is that General David Petraeus' mistress biographer Paula Broadwell wrote a book in January 2012 called All In ...and no one thought anything of it. But then what do you think of a guy who was head of an organization that supplied weapons to militants in Afghanistan, including (inadvertently) some asshole named Osama, propped every nasty dictator for the past 68 years, operated black sites over seas to torture people and worse of all organized the coup that ousted David Lee Roth from Van Halen. Of course I can't pin the Van Halen coup on him but if I could I would, he is also a registered Republican which means he has a "Get out of Jail" card for any crime known to man except that guy known as Mr Hands or some of the things Newt Gingrich has done. Which is why he gets a slap on the wrists whilst if anyone else did they would be up against the wall quicker than George W Bush can say "misunderestimated."
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 5:39 pm
In some ways, comparing Petraeus to Snowden is the cliché comparing apples to oranges. Snowden is a whistleblower who revealed the war crimes of his nation and other details, and who remains a controversial figure. People either love him or hate him.

Petraeus, by contrast, is a General who basically lost his head as soon as he lost his pants. While what should or shouldn't be done with Snowden will probably always remain a topic of intense debate, there can be no doubt that such a high ranking officer as Petraeus should have kept his mouth shut. While the teabaggers will probably always want to lynch Snowden, the reality is that Gen. Petraeus is getting away with his blabbermouth without even getting so much as a slap on the wrist. He clearly should face more punitive measures.

On the Van Halen front, David Lee Roth has long had a reputation for being his own worst enemy. It is not unreasonable to suggest that he is responsible for weakening his position with Van Halen to the extent that it made the tragically cruel era of the Sammy Hagar insurgency possible.
 

Mike m (9)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 5:49 pm
Amen.
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 7:36 pm
Thanks
 

Thomas M (8)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 7:37 pm
Both of them should go to prison.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 10:25 pm
I love Snowden
 

Hartson Doak (39)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 11:00 pm
Interesting how the US government can be so petty. It took 50 years for the US to forgive Cuba for choosing the USSR for support. When Castro would not become the same puppet that Baptista was. Now Snowden has to live in the Russian Federation till he lives more 50 years. Maybe when the US elects an Asia woman President, she'' pardon him.
 

Judy C (91)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 11:25 pm
Thanks for an interesting discussion, everyone. Going back to the article and the statement by Ellsberg,“The factual charges against [Edward Snowden] are not more serious, as violations of the classification regulations and non-disclosure agreements, than those Petraeus has admitted to, which are actually quite spectacular.”

Petraeus was ultimately charged with one minor charge, while information he shared and allowed to be jeopardized was Top Secret. Some was even categorized as SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information), that is, even higher than Top Secret. None of the whistleblowers discussed in the article passed on information that was this highly classified.

The author's conclusion is correct: "The government had the chance to hold Petreaus out as an example on the same felony Espionage Act charges they’ve leveled (unfairly) against every conscientious whistleblower they’ve indicted. Their answer? Leaking should no longer be a felony. Let’s make sure we hold them to that, and not only for CIA Directors".
 

Inge Bjorkman (202)
Monday March 9, 2015, 1:19 am
Love people like Snowden!!!!!!!!!!
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday March 9, 2015, 2:05 pm
Quick note to the "uninformed": The documentary "Citizenfour" by Laura Poitras won the Oscar and Independent Spirit Awards for Best Documentary. It follows Snowden while he was in Hong Kong and is an excellent source of information right from 'the horses' mouth.'
 
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