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America and Israel: The End of a Special Relationship


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Beatrice
- 3277 days ago - telegraph.co.uk
The fall-out between America and Israel is a serious threat to world peace, The split between Israel and the US comes at a critical time as Iran's nuclear ambitions grow steadily nearer to being realised.



   

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. (0)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 5:34 am
"Today, Israel faces an Israel-hating Islamist coalition, of Iran, Hizbollah and Hamas, which may soon have nuclear weapons but does so without any certainty about American goodwill and protection."

It is unsettling that the author's statement is quite true. Although we have lately received assurances from the U.S. government that its support of Israel is unwavering, there are many who quite reasonably interpret Obama's actions of late as whittling away at that alliance.

For those who dislike the thought of the continuation of the state of Israel, I would point out the undesirability of the alternative to the American people. Israel does not pose a threat to the U.S. But what will come after her should she be defeated most assuredly does.

Israel is a line of first defense for the Western world in a region not noted for its fondness for said Western world. That is a simple, pragmatic, and inescapable fact. And we ignore it at our peril.
 

John C (75)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 6:59 am
That premise is crap.
Isreal could have all of the benefits of special relationship with the US. It compromises that with a flagrant lack of ethics. A nation that claims to be the first line of defense in the mideast yet will not discuss peaceful arrangements locks it partners into a perpetual state of war. That does not work for me. Friends are granted a position of trust in international relations yet Isreal uses that trust to spy on us?
This relationship deserves to be reassessed.
 

. (0)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 7:06 am
Read this----very interesting!
 

John Farnham (52)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 7:29 am
The story starts out with an account of how Israeli tanks terrorized a people locked up in their own country and without an army,navy or air force are the unreasonable aggressors.
What, is spit an offensive weapon these days ?
Britain expels Mossad agent over forged passport plot
Police investigation finds Israel forged documents used by Dubai hit squad in killing of Hamas leader
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/23/israel-mossad-agent-expelled-passport


 

. (0)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 7:31 am
I find it amusing how many people keep referring to the supposed use by the Mossad of forged passports, as though that was a shocking and unusual occurrence. I wonder how many times British intelligence services have used forged foreign passports in their foreign intelligence operations?
 

Beatrice B (112)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 8:03 am
Obama visits Saudi Arabia, Cairo why not Israel?
Jerusalem
On the eve of President Obama's historic visit to Cairo Thursday, where he will deliver a major speech that is expected to include his outlines for Middle East peace, many here are noticing signals of a shift in the relationship between Jerusalem and Washington.
Obama, who was in Saudi Arabia on Wednesday and will speak in Egypt on Thursday, will not come to Israel as part of the trip. While there has been no official Israeli comment on this choice of itinerary, some observers see it as a symbol of how much has changed between Obama and the past few administrations, both under Republican George W. Bush and his predecessor, Democrat Bill Clinton.

"What we sense is a shift here in his entire approach to the Middle East. But from the get-go he's been raising the status of America's relationship with the Muslim world, and there's a suggestion that this might translate into additional pressure on Israel," says Dr. Michael Widlanski, a research fellow at the right-leaning Shalem Center in Jerusalem. "This is perceived as a sign to the Arab and Muslim community that the US administration is more interested in their feelings than before, and Obama is clearly trying to redress the situation where he felt the Bush administration has alienated part of the Islamic world."


Heightened US-Israeli tensions over settlements

All of this comes against the backdrop of a growing flap over Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank. Over the past week, Obama's administration has repeatedly made clear that it wants Israel to enforce a full halt in settlement growth, including a stop to what successive Israeli governments have described as "natural growth" as families expand and adult children marry and settle down near their parents. The 2003 road map for peace, which Israel agreed to, called for a freeze on settlement growth, which Palestinians see as undermining the feasibility of the future state they hope to establish.

Israel's new rightist prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has shown reluctance to agree to any kind of settlement freeze and is under pressure from settlers and other right-wingers to refuse such a move.

Israel removed a major West Bank roadblock Wednesday and has begun, in the past week, to dismantle small settlement outposts tiny satellites of existing settlements that are largely seen as an attempt to annex more land to existing settlements and thereby prevent land from being turned over to the Palestinian Authority in negotiations. These moves were apparently intended as gestures toward peace on behalf of Netanyahu's government ahead of Obama's Cairo address.


Israelis skeptical of Obama's overtures to Arab world

The June 4 speech to the Muslim world, Obama administration officials point out, fulfills a campaign promise to heal rifts exacerbated over the past decade. Obama is not expected to focus primarily on the Arab-Israeli conflict, though there are hopes and rumors that he will use the opportunity to mark clear goal posts for pushing peace forward.
"The speech could just as easily have been in Jakarta or Islamabad," one US official said. "There will be mention of the Israeli-Palestinian issue, but that's not going to be the focus of the speech."

.But the Shalem Center's Dr. Widlanski says that many Israelis are skeptical of Obama's attempts to woo the rest of the Arab countries and the larger Islamic world.

"People here are going to think [he's] naive or weak," he adds. "That's a strong view in Israel, and not just on the right. You have a change of feeling here in Israel, in which people are very disappointed so far with the Obama administration's approach to Iran, to the Taliban, and also the wishy-washy approach to North Korea."

That there is a wider horizon in Obama's sights is a reality that many Israelis do understand, says Peter Medding, a professor specializing in US-Israeli relations at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

"Is it a snub? Obviously not. He has a message he wants to deliver to the Arab and Muslim world, and the place to deliver it is not Jerusalem or Tel Aviv," Professor Medding says.

"There's a big, broad Mideast agenda here of which the Israeli-Palestinian [conflict] is part but not the only part, and may not even be the crux of the matter. I don't see any change in basic American policy since 1967, which has been in favor of withdrawal from the territories. The question is how do you bring that about.

"But the relationship between the US and Israel is deeper than the territorial question," he adds. "In the past few days, Obama has come out loud and clear on the significance of the relationship with Israel. He isn't going to jettison it out of the plane without a parachute."


Speech can't be 'just a cordial gesture'

Some of the unknowns are expected to clarify themselves soon enough, as both Israelis and Palestinians tune in to hear what the new US president has to say. But Israelis largely seem to expect that he won't present anything of substance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because, they say, they prefer solutions worked around negotiating tables away from the media limelight.

Palestinians, however, see it differently.

"This speech is a speech calling for reconciliation with the Arab and Islamic world, and we hope it will create a qualitative change from the positions of the US regime under President Bush," says Najat el-Asta, a Palestinian legislative council member from Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah Party in Ramallah.

"However, I think this speech will be enriched if he introduces an initiative toward establishing peace through the implementation of a two-state solution," says Mr. Asta. "This speech cannot just be a cordial gesture towards the Arabs and the Muslims. It has to respond to concerned parties in the Arab-Israeli conflict."

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2009/0603/p06s10-wome.html/


 

Steven Gray (55)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 8:07 am
This special relationship is what has kept America from destruction. I don't care whether you believe in G-d or not but it is written "I will bless those that bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel" says YHVH. YHVH has proven over and over that He keeps His promises to His chosen ones. That is Jew and gentile alike if you have accepted Yahshua as your Messiah and for those Jews who have not yet come to the revelation. I am sure there will be many retorts to what I have written. I do not care. There is only one G-d, His name is YHVH and He is eternal. There are many wanna be gods including individuals. It is completely your own choice to believe or not to believe. YHVH has shown His hand of protection on His people for thousands of years, His word is true and He is not a liar. Stand by all who mock and disbelieve and you will see the hand of YHVH and watch how America continues to fall and Yisra'el will rise. Baruch atah Adonai Elohanu, melech ha'olam. Baruch HaShem HaMashiach Yahshua. Baruch haba bashem Adonai! Amein.
 

. (0)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 8:27 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Lindsey because you have done so within the last week.
 

Donn M (56)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 12:08 pm
I don't think it is the end, just a bump in the road.
 

Cam V (417)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 4:04 pm
Bea, I am so dang angry about this I cannot even find the words .... Obama is in my mind showing his true colours and true alliance.
 

John Farnham (52)
Sunday March 28, 2010, 5:40 pm
What's the problem, Northern ? I for one can see the use of an international treaty as a convenience to make sure there are no 'unpleasant surprises' to prospective assault on those who don't have nukes...by those who do.
 

Beatrice B (112)
Monday March 29, 2010, 2:06 am
N.N. Obama had a muslim daddy followed by a muslim step-daddy. Is it any wonder where his sympathies lie?
 

Cam V (417)
Monday March 29, 2010, 2:19 am
If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. After what happened to the Jews in WW 2 do you not think they have suffered enough persecution John or do they deserve more. This argument keeps going 'round and 'round but not long ago I watched a documentary about the whole thing made by one of my Canadian news sources. Hamas, was lobbing missiles at Israel on a daily basis. In my opinion that is really not very peaceful now is it? Perhaps the American people can be manipulated by Obama but the Jewish people will not be nor should they be. The State of Israel is here to stay. So we either stand with our long time allies or stand against them and I for one am very proud of the fact that my country stands with Israel.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 30, 2010, 9:15 am
If America stands with Israel, it will fall. You don't think we have been the target of terrorists because we have Lady Gaga, do you? We are the target because our military goes into Middle Eastern and Asian countries, kills civilians and army alike and steals. The American government is the bad guy. Even the Arabs and the so called terrorists know the difference between a countries rulers and the people. Going back to God, he may have said that Israel is his land and his people, but he also said that "thou shall not kill unjustly." which also could mean, "do not run over the peaceful with bulldozers."

What is Israel defending the US from?Lindsey, you say that those areas are not fond of the Western World. How do you know this? Have you spoken to Al Qaeda? Hamas? Hezbelloh? From my experiences, they didn't say a single bad thing about America. Except, that our government likes to push our ways of thinking on others: by force. The middle East has no weapon or item that can hit America. Also, I am one of those peaceful people who when the terrorists say "get out of our land or we will blow up yours" I want to make them happy. Come'on now, its been almost 15 years and we still cannot find Bin Laden? We can find a man hiding in the woods, with no access living off the grid but we can't find a man who has HQ's all over and has news and reporters talk with him on a daily basis.

I get mocked whenever I stand up for universal human rights, that is not just the rights of the Jews but all men and women: all are equal. Say what you will, here is the fact: hezbelloh likes and loves Americans. They are pro-US since they are funded by the Lebanese government. I am sure that Hamas, actually doesn't mind Americans as well, they may hate the military, but that's okay. Why can't the state of Israel not have sides, let all people intermingle, have all rights and full rights, and be like a normal country? Not plow over someone's home unless they have been paid for its face value and had a chance to move out? Not bomb or blow up buildings and temples but rebuild them? Why can't they have peace? Is there someone who can tell me? As long as I can remember, the US has had soldiers in the middle east. It would be a real shame if when I die, we still have soldiers over in other countries.

I've come to realize, under my own advise or having two sides to every story, that this will never end peacefully. Both ends want peace, but at a means of using force and death to get it. (You will notice that I never said any anti-Israel or anti-Palestinian, only anti-American)
 

Terry B (649)
Tuesday March 30, 2010, 12:57 pm
No, John, I do not think that the islamofacists know or care about the difference between the government of a country and its people.

On 9/11 the principal target was the WTC and the terror of civilian loss of life. The Pentagon was only a secondary target showing how vulnerable it was.

The London buses were attacked in part of town far from Whitehall and Parliament.

The Madrid subway was attacked near the Prado Museum full of tourists, some distance from the Cotes.

The Mumbai hotel was damaged with loss of life a thosand kilometres from the government in New Delhi.

The Bali resorts are not even on the same island of Indonesia as the capital.

The arabs keep lobbing rockets at the schools in the small Israeli village of Sderot, which has about as little "governemt" as anyplace.

The closest the islamofacsists have come to hitting a government since the stray plane into the Pentagon was the attack in Moscow where one of the subway stations attacked was under the intelligence service building, but that was probably by chance as the FSB itself was not attacked by these insance Black Widows.
 

. (0)
Tuesday March 30, 2010, 4:19 pm
John, you have your facts wrong. Hezbollah is funded by the Syrians. If you think that the Arab countries are going to be allies with the US once they've destroyed Israel, you are dreaming. It will never happen.
 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday March 30, 2010, 4:22 pm
All countries have intelligence services and they use passports from other countries. Just to villify Israel for doing what everyone else does in the name of the defence of the realm is to be a hypocrite, but then the neo-Nazis are happy to be that. They are safe in their countries because of Israel and we have seen the resultant devastation when the warning is ignored.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 31, 2010, 3:07 pm
First off Terry, you are being very racist if you think every Muslim on the planet wants to kill people. So, no soup for you. I guess every Christian on the planet carries a gun and just walks down the street killing people left and right. Let's see, Both Bush jr and sr are responsible for wars that have resulted in about a million deaths. On an anti Christianity forum, they poke fun at how millions and millions of people die in the name of Jesus, by Christians. And just as Americans kill people, so do Israelis. So, I wouldn't say that Muslims are the worst of it.

Secondly, Chana, Hezbollah does not hate Americans, which is what I said. I was in Beirut while the leader of their army spoke on TV, just this past January and he said nothing but good things about America. So, either the US and their media outputs are wrong or maybe when he was saying how not to attack the American tourist but attack the American military that kills your people and takes your land, that he was lying to anyone watching and the thousands on site watching him speak.

This is just like some of the other forums, people say I am wrong but they don't give the correct answer... The missiles from Iran, cannot reach the US, this is a fact. Why does the US need a hold on the Middle East? Is it for oil? I really don't think that is the case. What is in the Middle East for Americans and why do we need it? Is this a giant game of Risk and in the end, we want world domination? We can't make other countries, we can start them up again, like Iraq, but we are not supposed to make new ones. So are you expecting the US to blow all of Iran up and make it the new state of IIran, under the US of A? People in Lebanon say that they love Americans and it is true, be it by Syrian or Lebanese, I was shown nothing but kindness and when they found out I was American, they didn't try to kill me but ask my questions like "this place is not what your government makes it out to be, is it? " On another forum, someone said that Egypt is peaceful towards American tourists, what if it is? That fact would disprove you.

Chana, you need to open your eyes and step outside, as the Middle East countries will not openly declare allies with the US until the US gives them something they want: peace and to get out of their countries. Would you be friends with me if I made a small fort in your backyard and refused to leave? I doubt it. Arab people are not stupid as you make them out to be, just as Americans may say that they hate our president, they still love the country and that separation is what other countries understand. So they know that Americans are different than our military.

Hezbollah, is actually funded by whoever will give them money, not only Syrians, but anyone willing to give money to them is welcome. So, you're not 100% accurate. When I saw them, they were still only making sure that Israel didn't cross the border, just as the UN was doing the same thing. I guess you are going to tell me that the UN are liars as well.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 31, 2010, 3:37 pm
Lets see, I'm American and spoke against the evils that America does, so why can't anyone who is Jewish speak against the evils that Israel does? Or should I move my family to Israel because it is the PERFECT country?
 

Elaine R (132)
Saturday April 3, 2010, 8:45 am
ISRAEL IS NOT A COUNTRY - PALESTINIANS HOME LAND
 

. (0)
Saturday April 3, 2010, 8:51 am
Israel is indeed a 'country', Elaine. Just as Jordan is a 'country', despite its land having been taken away from Palestinian ownership.

Most nations on earth sit on the homeland of some other culture which came before them. Sometimes taken away through conquest and sometimes by political mandate.

If we are to delegitimize any nation because its land once belonged to another, then we delegitimize a vast portion of the world's nations. Which is hardly practical, wouldn't you say?
 

Beatrice B (112)
Saturday April 3, 2010, 10:38 am
Elaine, Palestinian homeland? Who are the Palestinians, and where did they come from? Learn a little hiostory.

The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".

It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.

Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.

Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, is not a "Palestinian". He was born in Egypt. The famous "Palestinian covenant" states that Palestinians are "an integral part of the Arab nation" -- a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).

All attempts to claim Arab sovereignty over Israel of today, should be seen with their real intention: The destruction of Israel as a Jewish state and the only bulwark of the Judeo-Christian Western civilization in the Middle East.

http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp
 

John Farnham (52)
Wednesday April 7, 2010, 11:39 pm
Only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland
What, we have European Jews ( Ashkenazis don't come from Israel ) enacting a clearance by the British Raj and Israelis . Don't forget Zionism is a political force which does not iclude evetyone any more than neocons inhabit the US alone...or Taliban control all Afghanistan/Pakistan...using the military tech supplied by the US to get some Lebensraum. That's what they called it when Germany expanded its territory under the Nazis.
And I should be proud my country stands with Israel in driving people from their land and depriving them of homes,water and aid.
You wouldn't believe the depth of my passion about that. Pride doesn't exactly describe my reaction, however.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 28, 2012, 7:28 am
To correct is also to bless,YHVH hates the blood running in the streets all blood! Where is the love, that is what i look for the true fruit of the Spirit! All i see is stealing land and revenge Which YHVH Says is HIS! The True Israel is a remnant that waits on YHVH! NOT the Government not the hateful not the prideful! When will the true bride of YHVH inherit the land? When she has made herself ready! blessings to all the LOVE YHVH!
 
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