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Society & Culture  (tags: thanksgiving, Indians, Pilgrims, Pequot, Coles Hill, massacre )

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The idyllic partnership of 17th Century European Pilgrims and New England Indians sharing a celebratory meal appears to be less than 120 years-old.


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Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:14 am
It was only after the First World War that a version of such a Puritan-Indian partnership took hold in elementary schools across the American landscape.

We can thank the invention of textbooks and their mass purchase by public schools for embedding this "Thanksgiving" image in our modern minds.

It was, of course, a complete invention, a cleverly created slice of cultural propaganda, just another in a long line of inspired nationalistic myths.

READ THE ARTICLE......LEARN THE TRUE HISTORY......The History NOT taught in the USA.

Brigitte S (20)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:40 am
Just another black page in our Dutch history!

James W (257)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:58 am

Krasimira B (175)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:01 am
A Day of Mourning... Very sad story, Dandelion. Thank you for sharing.

Ben O (135)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:14 am
Thanks Sheryl for telling the TRUE story! I have to admit; I didn't know much about Thanksgiving...

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:16 am
Interesting to know the roots of any tradition. But what is truly important is what is in the hearts and minds of people as they celebrate Thanksgiving.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:20 am

I'm so glad you posted this, Sheryl.


Annie Cowling (116)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:58 am
thank-you for posting

Harry Schneider (43)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:00 am
Thank you Sheryl, for speaking out the truth.

Richard Smith (81)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:02 am
thanks Sheryl,

We DO have alot to be thankful for...and an attitude of thanksgiving sustains us,
and one thing we can be thankful for is that these AMERICAN MYTHS can be exposed.
I heard recently about the MYTH of Paul Reveree that poet re-created reality from a man
who was given a dishonorable discharge and imprisoned for cowardess. so much for the mid-night ride!

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:05 am
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It is true Gerald, it is important to have a day to be Thankful, but we need to get rid of the lies that surround this day to be thankful. The cute little Pilgrims having a nice day with the Indians that one sees on everything from napkins, posters, food advertisment flyers, children's plays, so on and so forth is a lie.

How can we turn a tragic event of the massacre of 700 people into this joyful loving holiday (holy day) and not even teach the history of Truth. Can't the people at least know the Truth of what they Celebrate, so they can then turn it into a Remembrance Day, A Healing Day, and a Thankful Day? Get rid of the lies and Honor a true Thanksgiving of Caring, Sharing, Love, and Healing.

I would like everyone to think about THEIR own personal families, then imagine them all being slaughtered just simply for being who they were. No crime committed simply just for "being".
Now, those who slaughtered your own personal family, chooses to have a great meal over this fact, "hey, most of those we don't like, who are not like us, are all gone from the neighborhood, happy days are here again."
Then over time, the desendants of those people cover up their slaughter, in fact change it around so everyone has a wonderful day to be Thankful, disguise it. How would you feel now?

That your Grandparents that were killed people celebrate that fact, your Aunt that laid dead is forgotten in twisted historical truth, the children of your family lives had been taken away too soon, that fact is also covered up and lies taught to the children in schools of today. How would you feel?

Many people I'm sure have goodness in their hearts and minds, are thankful for the meal, thankful for their own family, being alive, whatever, and there is nothing wrong in being Thankful. However, the Indian people know the Truth, just as it is with the Murderer Christopher Columbus who is celebrated. How do you think it makes the Indian people feel that everyone celebrates on a lie? That people forget? That people celebrate a day their family was massacred? Indians have feeling too.

All I'm trying to do is begin to make right some wrongs and to get people "thinking" beyond what they have been told to think. We are not all islands unto ourselves, when we "celebrate" certain things, let us be sure what it is we are truly celebrating. Let us not forget those who suffered at the hands of those who created the celebration. Let us begin to incorporate the Truth into Thanksgiving so that we as a people can all be part of a great Healing.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:09 am
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Ben O (135)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:13 am
And, here's the true story of Columbus Day:
( If Christopher Columbus were alive today, he would be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Columbus' reign of terror, as documented by noted historians, was so bloody, his legacy so unspeakably cruel, that Columbus makes a modern villain like Saddam Hussein look like a pale codfish....)

Kelly C (176)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:34 am
Mr. Greener writes very well, thanks for posting this Sheryl. Very good reading.

Linda G (187)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:38 am
Ah Sheryl, I had no idea of the true story. I am so sorry. Thank you so very much for sharing the truth of this tragic day. Drumming and the burning of sage at sunset sounds like a good idea to me.

Cher C (1426)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:41 am

Thnx for posting this my sweet friend!


Fortunal T (89)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 12:06 pm
Thank you Sheryl, The truth is priceless and it's never too late to be warned of it's unknown details.

Jae A (316)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 12:09 pm
Our so called 'history ' books in this country are so full of B.S. from cover to cover. Texass just recently rewrote history..again..for their state texbooks, which will be sold all aroud the nation. Dubya just had whoever wrote his book for him, to change a few historical facts also. The christian bible has been rewritten/translated some 15,000 flawed mortals...who weren't any different in their mindsets as those who started the pilgram/indian T-day b.s. story...add/change what you want..they'll still believe it as truth.

As far as Thanksgiving day goes, even as a child I thought all the pilgram/indian part was b.s. Today I think having a day to think about things we all have to be thankful for is a nice thing. That's all that T-Day is to us and has been for all of my adult life. A day that has zero to do with religion or pilgrams..just a time to be with those we care about/love or just like a little :-) and to share a meal ..then kick back, chill, and smoke a peace pipe together

.A large majority of our population see it as meal and football day off from work and that's about it. While others see it as the day before the shopping rush begins for Santa's big day in Dec. The old fable is worn out for a lot of people..and that's a good thing obviously. Only problem is they still teach that b.s. story about the two celebrating, their peaceful new world together, in schools/churches.

Thank you for posting this Dandelion... and my thanks to the Huffington Post for printing it.
It is a sad story but one that is being told now and that is a good thing, and something to be thankful for in and of itself. Having someone brave enough, to care enough to print it for the public to read in order to set history straight. To me, that's a big step in the right direction. IN fact for this reason if no other it's a day to celebrate having the truth be told finally..out front and personal, so to say.

On this day...we can now stand united....regardless of our skin differences...knowing that we are all one with the earth/spirit and of the truth being told to so many at last, about this day and the b.s. story about the Pilgrams/Native Americans on Thanksgiving day..

Peace and be thankful,as one with the earth, my brothers and sisters... ..Puffpuffpass...

Copy and paste the below link in the http space of your browser....
Then turn up the volume...and be thankful for whatever you care2 be thankful for/about.

Norm C (74)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 12:52 pm
It is a shame that so few people will see this and similar articles/exposÚs of the reality.

But as stated many times here, a day of thankfullness is useful. We all have many things to be grateful for.

But that does not make it unnecessary to keep our eyes open to new information and our mind searching for truthfulness and causation. We are going through one of the most perilous times in 65 years. The thieves are in the pantry, and we need to kick them out with their bags empty.

ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 1:05 pm
thanx Dandelion you little precious flower/xochitl. Thanx for the Real Story. Linda I like what your going to do tonight. Me too, I should blow the sacred Aztec Conch Shell and burn some Copal outside my Tipi and remember the 700 Pequot brothers and sisters. Ahoo Wakan Tanka bless all my brothers and sisters today.

. (0)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 1:13 pm
This makes me so ashamed of my 'white man' ancestors. I am also saddened by the fact that the Native Americans, are still getting the 'short end of the stick'.

Be Blessed! Stay Blessed!
Peace, Love and Light ;-)

ewoud k (68)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 1:16 pm
You're Oh so right in posting this, Sheryl.

People in the US and elsewhere who "celebrate" thanksgiving have the right, no, the obligation to know that society is telling STORIES to make them believe that all internal history of the US is a succession of "nice encounters"between Natives and the invading Europeans.

Parts of this article needs to be incorporated in the Wikipedia Thanksgiving-page.
In fact, the french Wikipedia speaks of this slaughtering, whereas the english version is -up till now- silent about this.

Apolonia Pl (392)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 2:23 pm
This tragic true TD history is next example of manipulation historical facts by making common lies by political groups of business. Consequences of "lies told hundreds times" are very harmful for many generations, making them 'brainwashed" in the name of false pretense of "American success" only. Campaign of lies about newest history is going in Europe also. WIKIPEDIA is also full of lies - be watchful!

Ramona Thompson (210)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 2:25 pm
Dandelion thank you. Thank you for sharing this truth. It is something meant to be said, and it had to be said.

In memory and in honor of this let me tell others what price Native Americans pay in the halls of higher education today when they share the truth:

My heart and thanks goes out to my dear friend, Dianah who taught me much and helped open my eyes to lies we were taught in school.

Dianah is a magnificent woman. She speaks seven languages, she has survived the most deadly form of cancer a woman can have, has traveled the world, is fiercely loyal, loves animals, loves earth. I am honored that she is my friend and teacher.

When she was small her parents were killed and she went to live with tribal elders. Soon white people came and took her away and put her into a church school and convent.

She was ridiculed and beaten. She told me she eventually ran away and went back home. Then she was taken by a different religious group, and again she ran away and went back home.

When she went away to a university she attained an all A average. She excelled in all she did.

She took her final exam in history and struggled against herself. Then she put her pencil down. In the twinkling of an eye she picked her pencil back up. She was true to her heart and she told me she answered the questions truthfully as Apache not as the books taught but as her people had lived it.

She put down her pencil and turned in her exam. Dianah received a failing grade that day on her final exam.

This kept her from getting her B.A. degree. Her professor asked her where got all those wrong answers. She smiled back at him and told him from truths endured.

Because of this she took jobs that did not require a degree. She earned far less than she should have, but she was true in her heart and to Apache.

Dianah stood up for me and befriended me, during hard times. She did not have to. She did it because she wanted to. She talked with me, helped open my eyes to other ways, and she showed me how to endure. She taught me about animals and things to watch for when rescuing them.

When I joined Care2 I did it in honor of Dianah and of the many wonderful things about life, the earth, and animals that she taught me.

I learned there is a very dear price that has been paid, and is still being paid every day by Native Americans.

The least we can do is to tell the truth, and to demand the truth be told in schools, universities, and history books.

Dandelion, my heart sings out "thank you" for sharing this truth.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 2:38 pm
Noted sweetie.

William K (308)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 2:39 pm
I did not participate in the Pumpkin Pie for the Reservations promotion that was going around earlier because it seemed to me that with all of the symbolism involved (pumpkin pie as a Thanksgiving tradition, and sending it on Thanksgiving), was a bit too much like rubbing it in. A pie in the face on Thanksgiving. I know it was well-intentioned, but I just could not bring myself to do it. There's more positive ways to help out than to remind them of how their impoverishment came about at the hands of those who would now "share the bounty of their feast" with them. Adding insult to injury, it seems to me.

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 2:42 pm
Thank you dear Sheryl for sharing this article.

I want to share what I learned in a Catholic grammar school in the 1950's. The pilgrims were starving and the Natives brought them food that winter. They shared their bounty with the invaders in the true spirit of Brotherhood. They were paid back for their generosity with massacres.

I am sorry for all of your losses Dear Friend. Peace to you.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:13 pm
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I have given green stars to many, some I could not, if I have missed anyone it wasn't done on purpose, thank you all for taking the time to read and comment.

Norm, you bring up another point as to why I bring forth the Truth like this in your statement as follows.

"But that does not make it unnecessary to keep our eyes open to new information and our mind searching for truthfulness and causation. We are going through one of the most perilous times in 65 years. The thieves are in the pantry, and we need to kick them out with their bags empty."

If you look back upon what was done to the First Nations people you will see similarities in what is being done to all of us today. The grabbing of wealth, be it land, homes, our labor, our futures, as was done to the Indians. A few in the powerful positions, controlled others to do their bidding based on deceit, that did not care what happened to those they believed stood in their way to get what they wanted.

When we do not learn our history correctly, when the truth is distorted, when the lies become truth, then it is a slippery slope. Look at the news today, the ones who truly caused this economic mess are pointing the fingers at the ones who had least to do with causing it, point fingers at the Labor Unions, point fingers at the ones received the faulty and deceitful loans. How many times have I heard negative comments pointed at the Indians for their demise, like it was their own fault, to go from self sustaining cultures to what they have been forced into.

The ones who created the economic mess are already trying to re-write history, by laying blame at the feet of everyone except themselves and instead of their admission or paying their share to fix things, they want to cut back on Food Stamps, Social Security, deny the medical coverage to so many millions, cut back on teachers, so on and so forth.

Is so much of what has been done to the Indians, they are poor so let us take their children away and give them to families who are more financially able take care of the children, thereby creating the "lost birds". Or steralize the Indian woman so they do not breed anymore, like the term the wealthy are using today when they say let some die they are "useless eaters" (the useless eaters who are disabled, Elders, poor), so we can keep the list going, but you get the point.
Look at Arizona just dropped coverage for those who were standing in line to receive organ transplants. In fact one man was prepared for surgery and on the table to receive a liver and as the insurance changed, he was wheeled back to his room, NOT receiving the liver but now to die. Now if this isn't a death sentence I don't know what is, but for Arizona to save a few dollars from the wheeling and dealing that some Elites did, this man, and many others will loose their lives.

Indian people have been able to see through all what has happened and is happening, they have lived it and now the Corporations are running rampant over all sorts of people and raping the land all over the world, just as Hitler learned from this Countries practices on the American Indians. When we allow anything of this magnitude to take place to any group of people and do not stand up to it, or learn from it, then it has a way of happening to others, and the others this time could be you.

So History can not be glossed over, can not be covered up, can not be forgotten, because it not only does an injustice to those who suffered in the past, but it does an injustice to all who live today, that we all loose when we do not understand this. So Janie I do not want you to feel so much ashamed as I want you to be a truth teller, now your eyes are open, then look around you, look at things from eyes you had not seen from before, but from eyes that are learning Truth.

Be bold have courage in Heart, understand the True concept of sharing, caring, and understand, that there are better ways to run a Country, to have us all lead our lives, we do not have to take the lies and live them in our own lives today, we can all become more enlightened, and then the acceptance of greed as matter of fact is not acceptable any longer, that the exploitation of people is not acceptable any longer, that the mass slaughter of all our relations around the Earth in our names is not acceptable any longer.

Apolonia Pl (392)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:20 pm
1000000000 kudos for you Dandelion! @}-,-'-,-'-,-------------

linda b (186)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:44 pm
Thank you Dandelion for educating me in the real story of Thanksgiving which i did'nt really know much about,the white man has a lot to answer for.

Deb E (63)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:47 pm
Dandelion says ... "Be bold have courage in Heart, understand the True concept of sharing, caring, and understand, that there are better ways to run a Country, to have us all lead our lives, we do not have to take the lies and live them in our own lives today, we can all become more enlightened, and then the acceptance of greed as matter of fact is not acceptable any longer, that the exploitation of people is not acceptable any longer, that the mass slaughter of all our relations around the Earth in our names is not acceptable any longer." So well said! ((( ))) We must all learn the truth so we can learn from it and understand what to do to stop this happening again to ANY of the people living in this land. It's a matter of how do we stop the train? How do we stop the snowball that has already turned into an avalanche? The truth often hurts, and I guess the ancestors of those who did this to the Native people of this land now known as the United States just couldn't take the truth. Making up a nice, even poetic picture of everybody celebrating next to each other was a much nicer pill to swallow, don't you think? I have long felt that Thanksgiving Day was yet another day made up for the purpose of commercialism, but "tradition" is hard to let go of. After this year though, with an oven that doesn't cook right ... the door being held closed with a wire, most family members gone from this Earth, others in foreign, hostile, lands ... I decided that I am not ever cooking another "traditional Thanksgiving Day" dinner. We should give thanks every single day for what we have, anyway, and not just on one day of the year. With all that said, and on this "day of thanks" I say to you, Dandelion ... Thanks for this truth. I didn't have a clue that this was the true beginning of our "Thanksgiving Day" celebrations and I certainly would not want to participate in anyone's celebration of going out on a massacre! I look forward to the day when all know the truth, and maybe the power hungry will be put in the place they all deserve to be.

Phyllis P (232)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:53 pm
Thanks for the education.

. (0)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:56 pm
Informative article.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 3:56 pm
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Ness F (211)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:00 pm
Thank you my dear friend.

Marie Noelle Cyr (2)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:10 pm
Thank you so much for posting. If we olny knew, this is just one of many stories re-written by "historians"...

Susan Pernot (75)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:24 pm
Thank you, I never really knew.

Pat B (356)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:25 pm
Thank you so much, Sheryl for this eye opening story. Mr. Greener wrote the article very well, and indeed...I finished reading it with a lump in my the injustices and cruelty the last 373 years of the Indian Nation. God bless each and every one of you. Everyone should read this, I agree with Ewoud K., this should be included in the English version of Wikipedia. xox

Rita D (87)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:26 pm
Thanks a millions Dandelion for posting the true story of Thanksgiving! I was amazed when I read this, I had no idea... and you are right that it is tremendously important to spread the truth, ALWAYS! And thanks also for explaining the differnce in perception of ownership of land!!! Land is not something we should own or possess forever, just like water, air, sunshine, nature... it should be always available or affordable to every living creature on this earth but mankind unfortunately has created another selfish universe instead in which sharing became almost impossible due to greed and the need for power :(

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:43 pm
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I thank everyone again for taking the time to read this, to learn, now please do share this with others.

offline away busy sorry (63)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 4:56 pm
noted thanks

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 6:10 pm
Noted with tears streaming down my cheaks at this history lesson. I am completely unaware and ignorant of so much. My precious Sheryl, I thank you so much for posting this. I wish I could send you stars {for not only the article, but both indepth posts you shared}.

I have always LOVED Thanks Giving. NOT BECAUSE of any happy Pilgram/Indian reason...To me it was a day of many friends ALL COMING TOGETHER, all colors and my home was nowhere I EVER wanted to be. Jae speaks of how I feel as well when he shares...

"As far as Thanksgiving day goes, even as a child I thought all the pilgram/indian part was b.s. Today I think having a day to think about things we all have to be thankful for is a nice thing. That's all that T-Day is to us and has been for all of my adult life. A day that has zero to do with religion or pilgrams..just a time to be with those we care about/love or just like a little :-) and to share a meal ..then kick back, chill, and smoke a peace pipe together"

Maybe it was the words Thanks Giving...I don't know. What I do know is that for decades now, I have always spent this day giving food to others. It began in my early 20's when I shared my bounty with all I knew...inviting strangers off the street. It is now a day I feel so humbled and grateful to donate and share my cooking with people such as the elderly and homeless. THAT IS WHAT THIS DAY HAS MEANT TO ME.

Sheryl, I remember sending you an ecard a very long time ago with the Plymouth Rock Statue. You shared the story of how you knew it so well and the History behind you spent endless days sending HONOR looking out at the "statue".

As you know I light sage every day...sending prayers to the elderly and ill, the less fortunate, and for PEACE. I am so honored to read this before my daily I will meditate on what you have so graciously shared with me. Unfortunately it is not after 6:00, I don't know when the sun actually set as it has been RAINING and I have been so cought up in my glorious day.

I now feel guilty for having such a glorious day of lovely stories with my mum. I didn't help the homeless {although I did donate 4 turkeys AND I baked ALL day yesterday, and it will all keep until Monday}. I will now truly reflect on what this day of propaganda and BLOOD shed for your peoples REALLY mean.

I Thank All of you with such compassion in your personal posts. IN PEACE and sincer LOVE to all, SuSanne x0x


Mac R (289)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 6:16 pm
Dandelion, recall how surprised I was just a few days ago to realize you were not on my friends list, because I had thought you were, so we corrected that gross oversight, lol. But because of that, you didn't receive the Care2 ecard I sent to all my friends just a couple of days before with this message:

Big greeting for a small planet
Hey Friends,
For Jae and I, being a gay couple as well as being part Cherokee (my dad was 1/4 blood and taught at the Cherokee school in Tahlequah Okla, capital of the Cherokee Indian Nation, and Jae's mother is 1/2, grandmother full blood), we have adapted or changed the meaning of most holidays to have a different meaning or significance for us. And being non-religious, we don't celebrate Thanksgiving nor Christmas the same ways most people do. We observe Christmas and Thanksgiving as celebrations of life and the spirit of giving and loving and sharing. So for this Thanksgiving season, we want to give thanks to all of you for bringing so much friendship and love and stimulating conversation into our lives.

For years, we've whined and lamented not finding people who look at life at least somewhat the way we do, coming from a place of love and compassion, need for social justice and understanding, caring for the planet, the animals and all the lonely souls, the voiceless and the oppressed.

Well we finally found a home. Care2 is loaded with people who share our values and care about others, people who realize we're all in this together. And for that, we give thanks.

Mac & Jae

I learned many years ago that the thanksgiving story was bullshit, but I did NOT know that its origin was a celebration of the massacre of 700 men, women and children. And the even worse reaction to that knowledge, to me, was that my first thought was, "Just one of so many, many massacres, slaughters."

That it didn't shock me to learn of this actual history is what bothers me so much. Not a month or so ago I watched a couple of well done documentaries about the tribes on Vancouver Island, BC Canada and their drawn out genocide at the hands of the Anglican and RCC churches with full government support, and how the government to this day refuses to acknowledge any of it, with tears in my eyes.

So, from now on for Jae and I, this day will be a mix of thanks for our wonderful life and all we have (not the "stuff", the LOVE) and a day of remembrance, of reverence for the souls of the fallen, the slaughtered, who still walk among us in spirit.

One thing that gives me a little peace when I think aobut this, is that many First Nations tribes don't view death the same as Euro-centric people do. Physical life is just one of many states of being, and to die here on earth is just a transition for an everlasting soul. I like that thinking and it matches my own view of life and spirituality. The point is: They can end this life with a bullet or a sword, but they cannot end the life of a soul, no matter how hard they try to deny the worth of those souls and call them less than human, as they did.

So we give thanks and remember. Never forget. Counter the lies every chance you get. Be determined to fight injustice everywhere you see it. Remember the real past in order to not repeat it.


Sheryl G (359)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 6:44 pm
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I also thank you Mac for giving me the lovely greeting that I had not received. I'm glad we finally connected. I hope if you and Jae ever find yourselves in Florida you will look me up.

Nancy sands (448)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 7:53 pm
Yeah just like xmas and all the other holidays-T-giving is a lot of propaganda-but it's a nice excuse to get together with the loved ones!-I just wish no animals had to be harmed in the process!

Hugh M (75)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:35 pm
History is full of lies. It took the innovative research of a history professor to begin to set the story straight in Australia. Henry Reynolds found the track he had been alert for in the small North Queensland village of Bowen, where the complete records of the local paper since settlement were preserved by the historical society. The letters to the editor opened his eyes to the fact that many good people were already protesting the treatment of Aboriginals. Reynolds went on to rewrite the history of settlers approach to dealing with the Aboriginal people, uncovering the slaughter and existence of genocidal activities. Reynolds was unpopular amongst his peers and racists in the community but eventually his work led to validation of native title, which backed up land rights claims, and finally the apology to the Aboriginal Peoples of Australia by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. I pray that such a courageous historian will rise up in the U.S. and reveal the truth in the full public spotlight as Reynolds did. Of course it helped that his wife was a notable activist Senator!

Rhonda Maness (580)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:37 pm
Thanks Dandelion

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:54 pm
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Hugh, thankx for posting this. You always teach me something new! As I just told you a few moments ago, Australia CERTAINLY is civilized and I hope to visit.

Teresa K (33)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:00 pm
Thank you for this Dandelion. I have shared this with every social network possible with the hope that it will continue to be shared and passed around.

Michael Carney (217)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 10:40 pm
Noted, and read with great interest, and sorrow...Sadly History is written by the Victors, and the truth never gets told...I've quoted Malcolm X before, but it's a true statement, looking back on the History of the World, he said Whereever the White Man went, he came with a Bible in one hand, and a Gun in the other...It's so true, and sad...

RosemaryRannes Rannes (643)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:02 pm
Dandelion I received this message from Leonard Peltier released by LPDOC and posted it on C2NN titled:
The Day of Mourning: Peltier Statement, 25 Nov 2010

Charlie L (47)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:09 pm
Dandelion, I wonder if we will ever know just how much we have been lied to about the history of what is now the USA. Whatever truths there are that have hidden need to be fully exposed. History books need to be rewritten to include the full unvarnished truth. As Mac said, we must remember the real past in order not to repeat it. Thank you for opening my eyes. May we all forever be seekers of the truth.

Natalie Away J (125)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:27 pm
Even though I don't live in the US I found this very interesting and it's good to know the truth. I wonder how many other countries have done similar things?

Victoria B (36)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 11:46 pm
"You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland ... "
All is not as it seems, we all need to WAKE UP !.


Krasimira B (175)
Friday November 26, 2010, 12:30 am
Many countries, Natalie J. And some are even proud with the perpetrated crimes.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:11 am
Thank you for sharing this story Dandelion.

chris b (2474)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:20 am
I don't celebrate thanksgiving as a Brit not because being a Brit gives me any immunity from the collective European guilt of genocide in colonising America or indeed Christopher Columbus' omission to switch his sat nav on and enter the correct zip/postcode for India! But my lack of participation is my contempt for politically motivated mythology period! Plus the orgy of animal slaughter that accompanies it! I wonder how many Americans actually are aware of either the true origin or the mythic origin and meaning of thanks giving, First Nation Americans know better than I the nonsense and hypocricy of the celebration!

Mac R (289)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:22 am
Michael Carney, that is such a profoundly true statement, gun in one hand and Bible in the other, so sad, but so true. So many people just don't want to know the truth. For so many, revealing the truth of the white man's reign of terror all over the world through history just makes them feel too guilty. They characterize it as "White man bashing" and "America bashing".

But when I talk about these things, the genocide our forebears committed, about our corrupt government today, about the atrocities committed by our own troops, etc... I'm not trashing America or white people, I'm acknowledging that mankind is brutal by nature, yes, and that we MUST acknowledge that in order to evolve and be better people. That the British, Dutch, French, Spanish and Portuguese committed genocide and eradicated entire populations and forever debilitated most all of them all over the world is indisputable.

Even though history is written by the victors, as Michael also quoted, the truth is there, mostly on the tongues of the survivors' generations on down, but also in the letters, the newspapers and archives, as Hugh pointed out Reynolds in Australia found with just a little digging. I've read a few accounts from our past that laid out quite starkly our brutality toward the Indians, because back then they did not look at what they were doing as a horrific thing; on the contrary, they felt they were doing God's work, as well as fulfilling their own agenda and destiny, so they had no problem writing out their accounts. When you view other races as less than human, you can justify ANY and ALL of your slaughters and thefts and still sleep well at night.

Right now, in Iraq and Afghanistan, high percentages of our soldiers as well as people here at home, view the people over there as less than human, or as less deserving of humanity. Many are aware that we've slaughtered hundreds of thousands, though few understand that we've used things like phosphorus bombs (I think there's another term, or something 'with' phosphorus in these bombs) and sprays on them, in Falluja and elsewhere, like acid raining from the sky, lighting you up and literally burning your flesh off your body, while we condemned Saddam Hussein for using mustard gas on the Kurds.

But we as a people don't want to know. Even when we find out, we don't want to talk about it or demand that our side stop doing all the things we condemn other governments for doing. Just like our exploitation of the Americas--- and quite frankly, Cortez and Bolivar made our leaders look like choirboys in comparison to their brutality in the Central and South Americas--- the ends always justify the means, as long as we don't have to face the gritty details. Does anyone think there would have been a huge outcry about Abu Graib if there hadn't been pictures? No, absolutely there would not have been. It might have made a few days' headlines that there were abuses, but it would have been forgotten with the next big blast at a checkpoint.

It's always "us or them", always. I guess it's in our nature. But some of us want to overcome our innate bloodlust as a people--- and white men are certainly not the only ones who are brutal, and that we know for sure, it's just that the whitemen tend to be the ones who take it to other countries, whereas in Rwanda or Cambodia, Darfur and places like those it is factions committing genocide on their own people.

Some of us DO want to lay it all out on the table and acknowledge what we've done and had done in our name, so we can stop it and prevent the next holy war for oil or land or resources. Some of us do not accept dominionism, do not assume we are entitled to have other peoples' lands and resources just because we're Americans.

We must remember and we must be ever vigilant. We must demand our leaders stop the killing and we must work together to make ourselves a better people. Understanding and acknowledging our past and our present is necessary as a yardstick to measure our capacity for self-betterment. You can't appreciate the light without seeing the dark.

Ludger W (65)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:55 am

Agnes H (144)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:09 am
Dandelion, I'm sorry I'm so late and thank SuSanne for forwarding although I'm sure I'll get to your message in the end. It's been one of those days and reading the truth behind Thanksgiving, something we don't celebrate anyway, makes me feel ashamed of being born of Dutch parents who sent me to a school where they still talked about savages, with which I totally disagreed. The so-called Catholics were the savages in my eyes then and even more so now.

There isn't much I can say to lessen the pain of the Native Americans. As you well may gather, this is the first time I heard about this as it may not be in the American History books it wasn't in our history books either. This is the first time of their disgusting treatment of the Indians. I am grateful every time my son comes home from the Middle East and say Thank you. But also for the fact that I know he didn't have to kill anyone in his job in the Air Force, unlike the unfortunate soldiers and marines who are forever in the front line! Will this ever end up in our history books? I doubt that as well!

I am certainly NOT proud to be White! You must believe that. I know that in the schools here they didn't use to teach the Australian History when my children went to High School and Maurice could choose between the history of WWI and WWII or other European histories. He choose WWII and got top marks for that although he'd often said they should make it comprehensable to do Australian history, but I know even then a lot will be left out!

Dandelion, I know it might not mean much after so many years of exterminations but can you accept my apologies for what my people did to yours?

Animae C (507)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:43 am
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.

Bill C (91)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:48 am
Thanks a million for posting this, Dandelion, and persisting in your efforts to open eyes! Most of what we were taught about America and its history was pure unadulterated spin, lies, the perpetuation of myths to keep the masses 'happy' and subdued. Wake up, America, or choke on your turkey!

Sharon Balloch (127)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:55 am
I have not celebrated Thanksgiving in years.. my children do not come home for grilled cheese sandwiches which is what I serve them on THanksgiving.. There are so many holidays ruined by the truth, we need to wipe them all away and fiind real things to be thankful for. Make new holidays..

I would be ashamed to be white if it were not for the fact that all races kill each other when not killing strangers.. I am ashamed to be human. I would be ashamed to be Christian if not for the fact that all religions have murdered endlessly in the name of their God while Atheists have killed those who have any religion. Stalin killed Christians, Muslims and Jews by the millions. The blacks sold each other into slavery . The natives killed other groups of natives. Remember when the British came to kill the Americans.. The middle east have been killing each other since they could pick up rocks..

I can not find a group who is not guilty of such sins.. and not just today... in history... I am ashamed to be human.

Victoria B (36)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:54 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Mac because you have done so within the last week


. (0)
Friday November 26, 2010, 5:57 am
Thank you:))

MmAway M (519)
Friday November 26, 2010, 6:48 am
Dande! Thank you so very much for this article!

So sad that so many people totallly MISS the TRUE meaning of Thanksgiving.

Toooo bad that there are not more writers out there with quality news like this!

Laurie IS AWAY S (128)
Friday November 26, 2010, 8:03 am
Wow, I am so glad that i stopped by to read this! Thanks so much for posting this. I always appreciate the truths that you share with everyone. A little enlightenment is good for the soul!!


pam w (139)
Friday November 26, 2010, 8:42 am
Michael Carney is right...history is written by the victors. ALL human history is full of terrible deeds, brutality and lies. None of it can be undone...we can only more forward, set right what can be corrected and vow to never repeat what is fixed.

Marjolein soederhuizen (284)
Friday November 26, 2010, 9:25 am
If i may say so, i submittted a story just a few days ago, with a url, abbout the thanksgiving day, it look simmelar but this is more discribed, anyway, it was lincoln who made this day a commercial day, in the netherlands ppl celebrated their harvest always wiht some food but it appears that the first colonists did the same in the USA, if u look for my submitted story u are able to see how that actually also was bering held by the indians this havrest thanksgiving.........but then with other food, and a turkey.....

Marjolein soederhuizen (284)
Friday November 26, 2010, 9:33 am, have a look, i dont need the noted part, just check it out............i get moslty just 14 to 35 noted, also if i sent it around as a message, which i dont do a lot..but still i have about 200 friends.......and my subitted story about thanksgiving is noted by 14 ppl, but i did not sent it as a message.........who knows what makes ppl look or and not note, i have the same problem myself, i note a lot, but not every day, i cannot do that, no time, lack off concentration and other things. i dont have to be the best or even a middle, but it is a pity if u put in a story not many ppl sees it or another day the same story is being put oin and noted more then 100 times............again, i dont have to be noted, i just want my articles/stories been read........!!warm hugs all off u:)

Patricia Myers (73)
Friday November 26, 2010, 9:53 am
thankyou sadly noted

Vivien Green (153)
Friday November 26, 2010, 10:40 am
Noted thank you Danelion.

SusanNoMailPls D (30)
Friday November 26, 2010, 12:10 pm
Noted Thank you Danelion

Charlie L (47)
Friday November 26, 2010, 12:35 pm
"You cannot currently send a green star to Dandelion because you have sent one in the past week." If I knew of a way to do so I would draw you a star right here and paint it green or gold or whatever you prefer. Thanks again for sharing something that we all need to be aware of.

Barbara T (431)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:08 pm
"You cannot currently send a star to Mac because you have done so within the last week."

Barbara T (431)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:26 pm
The European settlers wouldn't have lasted a YEAR without actual HELP from some Native Americans. {Also they raided and stole from Natives' storehouses and gardens; also a lot of the Native Americans died of European diseases, leaving land open for settlement.} Explorers like Lewis & Clark, even, would have perished in the wilderness, unknown forever, without basic survival HELP from Native tribes. Who were SO unsuspecting! Because they had A DIFFERENT SYSTEM OF ETHICS......

One thing about the British and the American Revolution; the British were much more for recognizing Native Tribes' land rights; while the Americans, after they won from England, there was just NO stopping them in their march and genocidal sweep across the Continent, "Manifest Destiny"......

Ellen W (0)
Friday November 26, 2010, 2:48 pm
Thanks for the post. The gory details that Jon Stewart referred when he said..: "I celebrated Thanksgiving in an old-fashioned way. I invited everyone in my neighborhood to my house, we had an enormous feast, and then I killed them and took their land."

Caitlin M (104)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:51 pm
Dandelion you held me rapt in your explanation of the rationale behind protesting the falsely motivated celebration of Thanksgiving.

You were eloquent here and I thank you so much for taking the time to explain so fully. I'm not always appreciative of long explanations, but in yours today I could not skip a word. It was so full of passion and so well designed that it brought to life the horror of that first celebration. You made it clear that the truth about that day is what must be understood before the false celebration can be let go and a new one to emerge.

Brava, Dandelion. Well said and many many thanks to you.

MmAway M (519)
Friday November 26, 2010, 3:54 pm
Had to send some stars out on this news Sheryl...sadly, can't get you right now, but didi get others!

Sheryl G (359)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:12 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Charlie because you have done so within the last week.

You cannot currently send a star to Mac because you have done so within the last week.

Hugh you are so correct about the similar mistreatment to the Aboriginal People of Australia. I am also pleased to hear that your Country is trying to make right some wrongs. The past can not be changed, but what can change is the history can be wrote down correctly so that the children of future generations can learn these things, and became better informed individuals. I always believe in Truth, society will improve and healing will begin, some wrongs will be righted where they can be.

Krasimira, as you stated as well as a few others on here, other Countries have had the hand in not treating other people with the dignity and the respect that they would want. When a people determine, based on whatever their measuring stick is, that they are somehow better than another, then exploitation always follows.

As Sharon so pointed out, there hasn't been a race or heritage that at some point in history did not treat others fairly; many times were darn right horrific in the way they treated other human beings. But as I said to Janie on here that mentioned she was ashamed, please do not be ashamed of who you are.
We are not responsible for the actions of others in the past, we did not live then, but we need to be responsible for our own actions today, and that includes learning the past.
This is why it is important to learn the history correctly, so that we can start to demand our educational systems to stop spreading lies, so our Leaders can not carry the lives forward, they will be called on it. That we can talk among ourselves, as we do on here, and learn, to then forward that corrected history to others.

We can not Walk in Shame, Sharon, for by doing so we only allow those who are shameful to place their shame on us. We need to Walk In Beauty, to be the beacon and light for others to see from, to light the path for others.

Agnes, although apology is a good thing and accepted, it is even more important to correct the histories, and to bridge an understanding. It is people like yourself, who learn the truth, who feel compassion that can bring that Truth to others. As you live in Australia, it is important that this Truth concerning the Aboriginals is brought out, to support programs in your Country that help the Aboriginal People to bring about healing and to rectify issues of injustice where it can be done.

Thank you Marjolein for posting a story on here to bring forth the truth and although I have yet to view I will make it a point to do so. Whoever reads it, be it 1 person or 35 will find what you posted to be of interest and may even cause them to learn something they had not known. I always allow my life and what flows from me and to Care2 to be within the Great Spirits energies. I Trust, that the right eyes will view what I leave so if it is one pair of eyes or 100 pairs of eyes, then so be it. It only takes one person become energized with Truth that may be so moved to do more in positive actions than what 1,000 would do if they are not so motivated.

Kitty you mention, how do we stop this train? We stop this train by being one less person to be part of the train wreck. Recall the adage, Let Peace Begin With Me? Is the same thing here. Learn the Truth, then start to look at our own personal lives, how am I Walking today? Am I Walking In Beauty? Meaning am I Living what I want to see in this World. If not, how can I start to get there? What is within my power to be the change I want to see.
We can't change everyone, we can only change ourselves and educate others on the true history, and then we allow that energy to rub off on someone else. Most times we will never see the BIG change we created, but ever hear of the butterfly effect? What to you may seem minor, but the butterfly effect takes over, and although you may not see it, if you sent something positive out there it will keep going.

Example, carry a sack to the store, keep carrying a sack to the store, eventually a family member may do the same thing, then maybe a stranger will see you with your sack and the light will go off inside of them to do the same, they in turn speak to their family members who also join in. Be the change you want to see, as far and as much that is within your power to do so at this time. Do not worry on the rest, the butterfly effect is in the works. Do as much as you can do, if you can sign petitions and that is all you can do, then so be it, but is there more, can you adjust the water temperature on the water heater? Can you walk to the store the couple blocks instead of getting into the car? Can you smile at a stranger and tell them the hat they are wearing looks lovely on them? Can you take your sack along shopping? Can you telephone your Representatives in addition to the petition? Can you join a local peace group?

Mac, you are wrapping your mind around what I've been trying to get across. I'll use this one line of yours so it is in quotes. "Some of us DO want to lay it all out on the table and acknowledge what we've done and had done in our name, so we can stop it and prevent the next holy war for oil or land or resources. Some of us do not accept dominionism, do not assume we are entitled to have other peoples' lands and resources just because we're Americans."

I will follow up your quote with this quote:

This is why learning history helps us as a Country to move in a better direction. You see, we may feel a lot of distance from what happened in; say the early 1800's. We can look back and think, well at least we are not doing EXACTLY that any more, we are very different. But are we? Or is it the same type of thing, just moved to another place, like Mac said, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Perhaps this Country is not out right shooting American Indians on this soil, but are the policies and actions that are in place by the Federal and State Governments allowing American Indians to move forward in dignity, are policies offering a hand up, instead of a hand out, most of which takes the dignity away, keeps them beholden upon their masters so to speak, and has been band aid measures rather than true help. Is this Country building bridges or still creating misunderstandings, is this Country honoring any of the treaties, in what places could that be done, how close can we come to this, instead of just passing it along to the next generation.
We have to remember, we all own some of this, this is the Country of We The People. Is good to be compassionate, but has anyone spoken up to their Leadership lately? Also remind the Leaders, it isn't about what they "think" should be done, how about speaking to the Elders of the various Indian Nations and really finding out what THEY feel is the right and just path to take in correcting some of these wrongs.

So although we are not living back in the 1800's, the torch was passed to the next generation that was there. If that generation didn't learn, then they in turn passed the torch to the next generation, and these actions, the ways of doing things, continue on, and on and on. Until today, we have similar actions being played out, by a whole new crop of people, a new generation, but it is still the same sort of thing. Taking people's lands for the resources, disregarding their rights as humans who live there simply because the resources are there so they will be taken, those people never benefit from it, in fact most the time they suffer because of it; forced removal or their lands and water are polluted. Think that is only happening outside this Country, read up on "split estates", what is being done with fracking for natural gas within our borders, it only moves to a new place, this time you might be standing in the way.

We must understand that this is the same connection that moves forward, and when people didn't speak up then, then all of us must deal with it today, with the cut throat tactics that the Corporations are doing, the lack of respect and disregard the Wall St. type do, the relocation of Indian people still because Peabody Coal took what it wanted despite the American Indian population that was living there, then there are Developers that will declare an area "blight" even when it is not, to force you to sell your homes for cheap so they can move in.
The raw deals that were done to the American Indians, who didn't understand what they were signing, lost their lands, same being done today, when mortgages were sold, people didn't understand what they signed, some did but many did not. The Indians lost their land, now people by the millions are also loosing their land and homes. Can you not see how it connects?

By twisting the truth or not telling the full history, as it actually was, those who carry the torches from one generation to the next keep pulling the wool over the next generations eyes, so you don't see the pattern, so all this crap has hit many people blindsided, but in actuality it has always been there, it just was projected on others, now the "others" are becoming everyone with this global economy.

I tell history so that the people will learn, to take back their power, for those who do not learn their history are doomed to repeat it over and over and over again. Educate the youth, don't let them keep passing this same torch. Change by doing, be the "light" the beacon, the example that creates the butterfly effect.

Mike Feenaughty (267)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:16 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:19 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Caitlin because you have done so within the last week.

I am deeply Honored and touched by your words Caitlin.

As I am also with you Charlie for wanting to paint me and draw me some stars. I see them in the sky tonight Charlie, they are lovely, thank you.

jane richmond (10)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:44 pm
noted thanks for the truth

Past Member (0)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:48 pm
Thank You for your Posting, Dandelion*
I personally am very ashamed how we got this country :(

Sheryl G (359)
Friday November 26, 2010, 4:53 pm
Keep learning Amour and Walk with a better Truth in your Heart. We must and need to do better and we can.

Trish K (93)
Friday November 26, 2010, 5:10 pm
The more we know the more we know and most of us won't repeat what was done on the first thanksgiving.

Here is the star I could not send you Dandelion *

Eternal G (736)
Friday November 26, 2010, 6:08 pm
Good on you for posting this! Inconvenient truths all over the bloody place... I'm truly sick of it! Boycott this celebration, no more turkey massacres to remember the native americans massacre, sooo arrogant and disrespectful!

Past Member (0)
Friday November 26, 2010, 7:33 pm
noted and thank you Dandelion for posting this bit of history that never made it into the history books .

Kit B (276)
Friday November 26, 2010, 7:35 pm
Thanks Sherrie - maybe a once a year version of reality would finally get the message out on so many things.

Some us didn't teach the usual crap to our students but rather offered the unvarnished facts.

Sylvie M (46)
Friday November 26, 2010, 7:42 pm
I guess the same issues may be found in the "official history" of many countries. Sometimes, for reasons which often remain mysterious, the contents of a propaganda leaflet, or a dime novel or whatever, shall be found again after a few decades or centuries and understood as "truth" by contemporary historians...

I'm French so I of course don't celebrate Thanksgiving, but if I was a citizen of the US of A having just been informed of this I would keep on celebrating a reunion day with my family, but, each year, I'd try to inform everybody I could about this "true story" ! I feel now that Thanksgiving this is the same kind of remembrance day that your Columbus Day, the kind of "celebration" which the Palestinian citizens in Gaza, West Bank and anywhere else where there's refugee camps name"Naqba" (ggogle that word....)

And, may I dream for a while... I wish I could borrow a time machine and travel 376 years into the future (which is the exact equivalent of the difference between 1637 and 2001) to browse libraries and find how our future generations of historians shall have "integrated" and "explained" 9/11.

Mac R (289)
Friday November 26, 2010, 8:24 pm
Well I've already sent green stars to most of you this week so I'll just say that the comments on this story are so very encouraging!

My new motto: Be silent no more

I'm putting that out there as a thought that might make people think aobut what they are willing to learn and pass on, what they are willing to get up and tackle, speak out about and fight for or against. LOL, I've never been silent. I've always been loud and opinionated, sometimes obnoxious, but hey, I try to stay calm, it just doesn't always work.

Richard Smith (81)
Friday November 26, 2010, 9:31 pm
Tizhameh Sheryl, and all,
The Thx Gvg story needs to be righted. fables separated from truth.
Everyone needs to understand that MOST NATIVE AMERICANs don't know this sad truth either.
MANY native americans "celebrate" Thanksgiving simply because they grew up with the fables in school
and kids learned how to snip out black hats and buckled shoes. Then the stereotype NDNs would follow
with their construction paper feathers.they bought into the glitch assimilating it around them
This was native american awareness month and so some of us were busy in the schools doing lessons
,storytelling and giving our own histories. The kids are fascinated with truth ! even more so than the myths.
The teachers got an earful too. Because even though they know that 46 percent of their students are enrolled in a local tribe,they know practically nothing of the various histories and customs of our peoples.

We hold MANY thanksgiving feasts . Green Corn in mid-summer(first fruits) Some hold Harvest ceremonies,
Mid-winter ceremonies,Maple harvest ceremonies, spring seed blessing ceremonies, a special mens sun dance to welcome back our brother sun,Then Strawberry dances to give thanks for the first fruit of spring, the Blackberry Dances we celebrate our women,and its always held during a full moon alll night we sing for the women and they dance the morning into existance,the birds start waking,and the light grows from the east.
Then its Green Corn again and the cycle continues.
People might think these are just pretty dance shows, ndns dance in secret places,
but they are our lifeblood. Turkey Day in America is becoming another insult.,just like abusing our sacred tobacco by changing its genetics...and discecting and sterelizing our sister corn.
there are consequences for abuse of these sacred things.

Awedihao' de watitonhs , none' eshatiriware', neh none' eshatidrawah, neh hutishinshrogya'

ndae' ha'ra' askenonyehnehk . Somamendizhu' dikyonte' ahashrogyah

or roughly "the ancestors say, when the ceremonies return the dances come back the feasts return,
then and only then ...the peace will return. Holder of life made it so."

May you all have great happiness ,because YOU ALL are making a difference.
from the Wyandot(te) people of Northern Oklahoma, Richard Zane Smith

Mary L (132)
Friday November 26, 2010, 9:35 pm
I have to wonder about the myth of Thanksgiving. Could it be white guilt about the truth? I'm just saying. I also wonder how many people who don't know at least a part of the truth.

Sandra Watson (77)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 6:45 am
It is a shame that so many here believe anything that is written. This article provides zero sources to back up his claims!

Kathy Javens (104)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 6:52 am
Noted. I am so glad I read this. Thank you for sending it to me. I will never understand why they don`t print the truth.I realize that the true history of the U.S. is not always pretty, but the truth needs to be told. I was both shocked and very upset when I learned the real truth of how the Native Americans were treated. And I was pissed off that the educational system would fill my then young little head with all that garbage. Now I am 50 yrs. old and finally learning the truth. What will it take to put the truth into our history textbooks?

Gary C (5)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 8:39 am
noted thankyou....

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 8:41 am
William funny you should mention your not wanting to get envolved in the donate a pumpkin pie campaign for elder Natives because you felt it was too much like a pie in the face insult to them. While that never occured to me that it could be taken that way what did come to my mind was the large number of Native people with diabetes and that did make me wonder if pie was the best choice unless of course is was sugar free . I kind of thought a turkey might have been a better choice . Their hearts were in the right place even if not well thought out .

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 8:50 am
I would like to add one thing about the history of the Natives and settlers at Plymouth or somewhere in the area as Plymouth is not for sure the place they landed. If not for the Native people those settlers would have starved to death not because they brought them turkey as the history books would falsely state but because they learned from the Native people how to survive in those harsh winters and how to hunt and sustain themselves and what wild plants and roots were edible as well as medicinal . So in some ways the story of the native people helping the settlers to survive is true just not this thanksgiving story .

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 9:28 am
Nakba Day (Arabic: يوم النكبة Yawm an-Nakbah), meaning "day of the catastrophe"

Mary I'm sure there are many who do not know the truth, unfortunately. Is all we can do, as we learn the truth is to educate others.

You cannot currently send a star to Linda because you have done so within the last week.

. (0)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 12:13 pm
Remember where you have been, so you won't go there again.

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 12:54 pm
I agree with you, William K...I not only eat a normal proportion of vegan dinner on "Thanksgiving" day, I sage, cedar, play First Nations music, + do what I can to remember the ongoing plight of poverty the theft of Native land, culture, language, lives. I do not give thanks to the traditional promotion of a consumer society that turns a blind eye & imposes suffering & cruelty to billions of turkeys(see posting on Care2 HSUS undercover investigation) + decimation of the freedoms of the people, bison, wildlife, water, air. Before the Pilgrims arrival, Spirit was strong. True Thanksgiving was from the heart, not the mind.
Did anyone else notice that the majority of Huffington Post comments on this article are blatantly callous, suspiciously right-wing?

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 27, 2010, 6:08 pm
My belated but heartfelt thanks, Dandelion, for sharing this important story.

Yes, Yvette, the Huffington Post comments reveal that site's huge contingent of right-wing trolls. I view this as good news, because it means that those on the right are taking Huffington Post seriously. They see the laying bare of these unvarnished truths as a great threat. They see the shattering of their cherished myths as a serious threat. Hopefully one day they will learn to value Truth and will be comfortable with it, but until then I suppose we can take some small comfort in knowing that nerves needing to be struck are indeed being struck.

Trequl M (170)
Sunday November 28, 2010, 5:19 am
Noted with thanks.

Mac R (289)
Sunday November 28, 2010, 3:54 pm
Really good point, Bob C. I sometimes get angry at the nonsense and lies rightwingers and teabaggers spew on Care2 threads, but I also realize that them throwing out their crap sparks a lot of conversations and much clarification ensues. So on this Sunday after TG I gives thanks to our rightwing frineds on here who make us explain our views, which helps educate many who didn't know much in the way of details on so many issues.

NE L, Northern, Scarlett et al, you guys serve a good purpose here and I thank you all.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 28, 2010, 4:46 pm
Yes, Mac, the 'baggers and trolls help keep us on our toes!

Sheryl G (359)
Monday November 29, 2010, 2:23 pm
Thank you Richard for your informative information. I wish to thank all who took the time to read the story. Be we Republicans, Democrats, or neither, we need to understand our history and begin to learn the correct version. It may be at that point we all come to a major understanding and become unified against the ones who are truly are putting us, our animals, our waters, our foods, our air, in great peril.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 30, 2010, 11:07 am
To "understand our history" fully, we must fully realize that both the people creating it (e.g., the Pilgrim separatists and the indigenous people who inhabited New England ca. 1620 - 1621) and we who are attempting to understand it today, see and interpret everything through our own sets of filters. These filters come from our culture (and more of us these days belong to more than one culture), our nation, community, race, religious group, family, and individual personality. Even our birth order within our family affects how we see the world, as both science and our own experience affirm. Our biological history and current biological reality play far bigger roles than most people seem ready to admit.

I say this not to excuse our Pilgrim antecedents (nor their descendants who slaughtered innocents at Wounded Knee or who even today resist granting full sovereignty to America's First Nations, let alone the Afghans), but only to point-out that there are discernible reasons why people behave as they do.

All surely is not hopeless. Most people within most modern cultures can probably agree, for example, that genocide is not good. There's no such thing as "good" genocide. Can't we all (or at least the vast majority of us) agree on that? I think so.

And so why is it that so many of us persist in viewing "our" group as intrinsically superior to all other groups? Why is it that if you're not one of "our" people (whoever they may be) then "you" are somehow never quite as "good" as "we" are? That "you" are somehow less deserving of full human respect and dignity than "we" are? Can't the roots of genocide be found in that us-versus-them attitude? Whether it's rival high school football teams contesting each other on the gridiron or Western Civilization lining-up against Iran and North Korea, we persist in dividing ourselves, one group from another. Why?

Homo sapiens has yet to outgrow the tribalism of our pre-historic primate ancestors. That some of us deny that there's even a relationship between ourselves and genocides of centuries and decades (and scant years, months, and days) past, or between ourselves and the first ape warriors who picked-up rocks and beat other apes to death with them, is surely part of our problem. We must strip-off our blinders -- even from those among us who are reluctant to give them up -- and own-up to being Cro-Magnon. We must come to terms with that legacy of violence which still lies buried within each of us, not because we are wicked or fallen but because we are hominid apes whose ancestors evolved in the harsh savannas of East Africa, competing with other species and other groups of our own species, for land, food, and mates.

Only then, only when we fully realize the capacity for hatred, vengeance, and violence that lurks even within our own genes, that is written in the DNA of the most innocent preemie in the NICU, can we make real progress toward overcoming it.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 8:12 pm
noted, sadly...and i've often wondered what the Native Americans would say when asked about our Thanksgiving. I actually don't celebrate the day to commemorate a horrible history. I celebrate to give thanks for the lives we have, our family and friends and all the goodness in the world. It would seem that the Natives were also screwed our of their rightful lands, just like the rest of us now. Greed has been a human element for centuries it seems.

kathryn cook (628)
Saturday December 4, 2010, 7:35 pm
Belated but ty for your kind and loving friendship - sharing your heart w/all of us - sharing your beloved culture. And thank your for your passionate caring.
love Kathryn

Larry S (391)
Sunday December 26, 2010, 9:44 pm
U.S. government propaganda seems to rule only for those that are not able to see the truth for many issues, this is only one of the many. There seems to be enough tho, to keep people either passified or confused, or both, not caring to look for the truth.

Larry S (391)
Sunday December 26, 2010, 9:45 pm
U.S. government propaganda seems to rule only for those that are not able to see the truth for many issues, this is only one of the many. There seems to be enough tho, to keep people either passified or confused, or both, not caring to look for the truth.

Larry S (391)
Sunday December 26, 2010, 9:45 pm
U.S. government propaganda seems to rule only for those that are not able to see the truth for many issues, this is only one of the many. There seems to be enough tho, to keep people either passified or confused, or both, not caring to look for the truth.

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday March 13, 2011, 12:07 pm
Link with some further information:

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 5:46 pm
Just want to add my thanks for posting as well. As a child in elementary school, I was also taught that the pilgrims were starving and the Native Americans taught them how to plant to feed themselves, then celebrated the harvest with them. At my dinner table, my grandkids will also learn this....and that we aren't celebrating a "traditional" American Thanksgiving. We celebrate our family and our blessings on this day as we share a meal. Last year I made tacos.

Julian Robert Gonzalez (112)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:31 pm
Thank you for this post. Sad

SuSanne P (193)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 8:04 pm
Although I read this two years ago with a heavy heart, I reread it all again. Each and every post as well. Thank you all for all your contributions to learning more history, however sad and hearbreaking.

Deborah B (71)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 12:05 am
Thank you for posting this tragic truth that all should read, Dandelion.

Rita White (1)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 8:31 am

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 1:39 pm

Wow, I think it's really cool that you reposted this, Sheryl!

Giving thanks to YOU.


natalie n (164)
Friday November 23, 2012, 4:51 am
thanks for sharing this. as a non-american i used to wonder why people seemed to celebrate thanksgiving and wondered whether they actually understood the meaning, significance and symbolism behind the day. i believe there is much more educating to be done, if you read the rather nasty comments on the article from the link to the site.

Sandra M Z (114)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 9:50 pm
I had never heard the real account before. Thank you for sharing it, Dandelion.

Excellent thoughtful comments here, Thank you commentators.

I am very grateful for all the people of all ages and nations, working for the Best Future Ever.



Ray Shaw (13)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 9:54 pm
Thanksgiving for what? - Getting away with crimes against humanity is something to be thankful for?

Sandra M Z (114)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 10:01 pm
2nd try.........

Thank you Sheryl for your information and your eloquence on so many topics. You are a Light Bringer and a Shining Star:). You help us reach that Quantum Leap:).

Sheryl G (359)
Monday November 26, 2012, 5:33 am
Thank you for your truly kind words Sandra. A single candle will light up an entire room, just trying in my humble way to be a little candle. We can not heal as a Nation nor improve upon our direction if we first do not understand our past and how propaganda has directed the majority of the people not to "see" what is. Our "real" history, if we learn it, will teach us to be much more observant of ill tidings within our todays.

We continue to go on and on with another generation who meekly accepts that celebrating the Mass Murderer who tortured, raped, and pillaged, Christopher Columbus, is a good thing, followed by not a clue that history shows the first Thanksgiving was to celebrate a massacre of American Indians, and finishing it off with Peace on Earth Good Will To All. Talk about schizophrenia thinking and behaviour.

Zoe and Art Oguyo (346)
Friday November 29, 2013, 1:59 am
Last post is one year old - go here now:

Sheryl G (359)
Friday November 29, 2013, 12:38 pm
I realize this is a year old.....but HISTORY doesn't change. The Education of what is on here is relevant.
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