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Those who do not know their accurate history are doomed to repeat it. Perhaps many of the pitfalls of today could of been avoided if we all had an understanding of an accurate history. Be thankful but learn truth.


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Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 7:27 am
I thought these women did a nice job of putting this together.

Music: "Gathering of Shamen: Summoning Winds" by The Native Flute Ensemble Album: Sun Chasers - Native American Flute Works


Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 8:22 am
very cool Dandelion, thanks :)

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 8:29 am

Thanks for the wild turkey and Passenger Pigeons, destined to be shit out through wholesome American guts--
thanks for a Continent to despoil and poison--
thanks for Indians to provide a modicum of challenge and danger--
thanks for vast herds of bison to kill and skin, leaving the carcass to rot--
thanks for bounties on wolves and coyotes--
thanks for the AMERICAN DREAM to vulgarize and falsify until the bare lie shines through--
thanks for the KKK, for the nigger-killing lawmen feeling their notches, for decent church-going women with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces--
thanks for "Kill a Queer for Christ" stickers--
thanks for laboratory AIDS--
thanks for Prohibition and the War Against Drugs--
thanks for a country where nobody is allowed to mind his own business--
thanks for a nation of finks--yes,
thanks for all the memories...all right, lets see your arms... you always were a headache and you always were a bore--
thanks for the last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams.

-- -- William S. Burroughs (1914-1997) , Tornado Alley

Kit B (276)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 9:38 am

“TO BE HOPEFUL in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.
What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.
And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.”

― Howard Zinn

“The inferior position of blacks, the exclusion of Indians from the new society, the establishment of supremacy for the rich and powerful in the new nation--all this was already settled in the colonies by the time of the Revolution. With the English out of the way, it could now be put on paper, solidified, regularized, made legitimate by the Constitution of the United States.”

― Howard Zinn, A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present

Carole S (338)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 9:39 am

Glad you posted this, Sheryl!


divergent revolution (309)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 9:47 am
I'm gonna celebrate EVACUATION Day, never celebrate thanksgiving, no thanks for the mistrust, and devastation.
Evacuation day,is a real holiday.
It's when the british pulled out of new york ,after 7 years of putting people on prison ships in new york following the revolutionary war, 1783.A REAL ENDING,TO A WAR...RARE TO SEE....

Jim Phillips (3247)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 10:51 am
Be nice if we could see that those who came to this country from other lands, countries
go back to where they came from and let, allow the original native americans take over USA...

TY, Dandelion.

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 11:12 am
Thanks, Dandelion!

Deb E (63)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 11:19 am
The truth needs to be told, yes, but we cannot dwell on only the atrocities of a people. As Kit posted, there were some good people. And we need to remember that there are good people in this world, too. Look at all of you here on Care2 ... what a wonderful group of caring individuals trying to make a difference in this crazy, mixed up world. Thank you for the video, Sheryl, and for all of the comments here. I look at Thanksgiving as a time to be thankful for the good we have ... I teach my grandchildren the truth about "Thanksgiving Day", now that I have been enlightened by my wonderful friends of Native heritage here at this site. You are all a part of what I have to be grateful for at this time of Thanks.

Richard Smith (81)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 11:43 am
We'll be gathering as a family and giving be a live is such an amazing gift.
Here we had our 2nd Komahskwema'a (Green Corn ceremony) in over 100 years, some traditional ceremonies are coming back and we are thankful.
Children(all groups) are learning some of the Wyandot language in PUBLIC SCHOOL! we're thankful.
Old Wyandot songs that would have been forgotten were recorded on wax cylinders,and they are being sung and danced again...(even last week!) and there are more waiting to be learned and memorized

I think some of us would give thanks even if we were in a prison camp...for the rations,buggy or not.
some of us living are just so happy to be alive, the shit from the past won't infect us.
we only bring it up to remind euro-americans to keep from getting haughty ad possessive over the land here.

Mandi T (366)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 12:13 pm
Great post Sheryl ty

Patricia E G (52)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 1:47 pm
Turkey Day will never be the same.
Thanks Dee for keeping it Real ! :-)

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 3:29 pm
The purpose of my placing this on here is not to ruin anyones gathering of loved ones and having a nice meal, watching a parade, or football game. The purpose of my placing this on here is too many forget if they know, but more do NOT even know of the real history.

So people can't dwell on what they are not even aware of, nor can they emphasize or choose any action or actions IF again they are not aware of the Truthful history. I'm just so tired of the myth promoted year after year of this wonderful relationship to our school children of the pilgrims and the Indians all having a great time. This is what is Thanksgiving. Do I expect to teach the wee ones that many Thanksgivings were over the murder of other children and their parents, no that is harsh, but stop teaching the myth at least. As the students age, in the upper grades, yes, lets keep it real and teach a corrected history, again, not pass along a history that isn't.

As I had left on the email that I sent this story around with these quotes.

What is good for the mountain is not always good for the rocks.
If too many rocks are removed, the whole mountain might collapse.

(If too much history is removed a whole Nation might collapse.)

"Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it"
George Santayana

Isn't that the reason that the German Holocaust is taught over and over again. So people don't forget and others don't try to re-write history? Well this too was a Holocaust.....and this Country promotes Thanksgiving that was FOUNDED upon genocide and massacres. Maybe that isn't how people view it today, but.....when is it ever a time that at least the history be understood?

Maybe, if this Nation, the USA, stopped Honoring the likes of Christopher Columubs, a mass murderer and a slave holder, and maybe if the truth of the Thanksgiving history was taught, then just maybe there could be a true HEALING upon this land, and maybe just maybe we'd have a better Country without endless wars and the rampent greed that exists. Maybe we draw to ourselves that which is being HONORED!

I do this to try to make a shift in the Nations conscience, be it one person at a time. But until our schools start teaching FACTS instead of FICTION, things will not change in this Country, no matter how many OWS we end up having. For all the Powers to Be will just wait, for another generation to grow up, learning the False history and the new generation of people will be rip for picking once more.

In the past we already tried the Horse and Sparrow economics which allowed the Guilded Age to be, a few became extremely wealthy in the USA and the majority of the people were being squeezed to death until a full collaspe called the Great Depression.

Generations pass and those who live today did not live during the Horse and Sparrow Economics, but the same thing has happened only they called it the Trickle Down Economics. Maybe if we understood our history better more people would of stood up and said.....oh no you don't, you are not going to remove Glass-Steagal and a host of other protections. That is one example. Maybe the next genocide will be YOU, if you do not at all undetrstand what this Thanksgiving was based on.

So enjoy the parades, the food, the football games.......just become AWARE and BeWare. The Powerful do NOT forget and they'll be more than happy to fill your mind with a fantasy world to keep the smoke and mirrors going, until you find yourself like the turkey on the table. As Chief Seattle said, "We may be all Brothers after all"......there is a great message in those words.

Phyllis P (232)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 4:08 pm
Can't wait to see this when I get off work!!!!

Mary T (178)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 5:32 pm
Very good video, I have being aware of all this already it is time to start teaching our children the real true about our true American history and a lot of it has not been good, All humans are connected and we are all Brothers and Sisters, Thanks Dandelion

Susanne R (236)
Tuesday November 22, 2011, 7:56 pm
The video made reference to the arrival of "religious zealots" in the form of the Puritans and, since I' m no fan of the bible-thumping religious right, I searched for further information. According to A.A.A. Native Arts, "With Bible passages in their hands to justify their every move, the Puritans began their march inland from the seaside communities. Joined by British settlers, they seized land, took the strong and young Natives as slaves to work the land, and killed the rest." Unfortunately for this country, religious zealotry is alive and well, and the zealots still use their bibles to justify their intolerance and injustice.

I guess "history" is exactly that: "his story," because it's written from the perspective of the person who wrote it. I hope that someday soon the history books used in our schools will contain the truth, warts and all. Our children don't need to look at the past through rose-colored glasses.

Thank you, Dandelion, for providing us with this important historical information.

Kamila A (141)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 12:57 am
This country has a lot of bad karma to redeem. So much stupid ignorance, so much sorrow, so many tears. I feel sorry for us as a country, but I am enraged at the most stupid of all, the ones in power---the power-players, the ones campaigning for the Republicans right now, acting like proud roosters, talking bullshit like they know something worth talking about. I shake my fist at them all!!! I turn my back and walk in support of all those who walk in Truth and integrity toward being real. Where is our heart, our collective heart? I weep for all of us. We are like lost children.

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 7:32 am
Thanks Sheryl.
People need to know the true story about all things.

I loved the poem Wolf. It is so very true.

Ben O (135)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 9:46 am
Thank You Sheryl for giving us the REAL history!

Holly Lawrence (430)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 12:27 pm

Brigitte T (69)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 2:13 pm
Thank you Dandelion!!!!

If I were a white American, I would give thanks every single day of the year except on Thanksgiving day.

On Thanksgiving day I would apologize to the First Nations of America for what my ancestors have done to their People.

. (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 2:54 pm
Knowing this day to be one of contradiction, and historical fiction, enjoy the day, and enjoy the ones you're with.

Jo Asprec (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:11 pm
Sad story, but very good video. Thanks!

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:25 pm
Not to take anything away from what the native people suffered at the hands of the European white 'settlers' as far as treachery, lies, murder, slavery, abuse, genocide, etc.---- the mid 1600's in N. America and in Europe was full of human violence against other humans. Unimaginable torture devices and methods of killing people (and this was done amongst white people to each other in Europe), disease, starvation, wars between various countries in Europe, were all commonplace. In what was early 'Canada' in the 1600's native peoples fought wars between themselves, taking prisoners was common, unimaginable torture of prisoners was common (it was admirable to be able to stand the worst torture your captors could give you, then kill/murder you). Taking of slaves of young children or women of enemy tribes was done sometimes, many never saw their own tribespeople ever again. The Iroquois invaded, slaughtered and essentially wiped out the Huron indians in the area of Midland, Ontario It was no picnic for anyone, native, or white. What we would consider unbelievable atrocities today were done by both native and white. Humans in this time period in other words.
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.
Also look at the Spanish conquistadors regarding S. America and what they did to the Incas, Aztecs, etc.
A ridiculously uncivilized time period for everyone concerned, IMO.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 4:06 pm
I realize Kenneth that there has been much injustice done to a lot of people around the world. The human species is not kind to itself nor anything else alive. However this is about the Celebration of Thanksgiving and how this particular so called Holiday was started and not about genocide and murder in general.

I am wanting the viewer to understand HOW this Thanksgiving got started, I want the MYTH to be ended in the schools that is taught year after year as if it were fact. Should we not teach actual history? If we can change the history to read what we want, where else might it be written wrong to steer people into a certain direction.

So yes, disgusting behaviour is all over the world and in all time frames, but this post was about the Thanksgiving in the USA. How did Thanksgiving's roots, it's beginnings.

. (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 7:43 pm
Historical accuracy is always of real importance and certainly school textbooks should reflect actual fact rather than sanitized fiction.

But Brigitte, no one is responsible for actions over which he has no control. Every human has many, many ancestors who committed atrocities of all kinds. We personally only owe apology to those we have personally wronged.

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 12:11 am
Thanks Dandelion

ewoud k (68)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 3:01 am
Giving thanks is OK, it's good to be alive etc, and a day in the year tothink about this and celebrate life, surrounded by family etc, with all the speeded-up mess of consumer's-society halted (really, is it?) is a good thing.

It's just that the historical label that's put on this day is 'at the least- questionable.

So, celebrate, but remember that history has it's dark pages.

Thanks Sheryl, and happy thanksgiving everybody!

. (0)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 9:16 am
Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Ewoud - and everyone!


Joyce S (10)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 10:31 am
Happy Thanksgiving!

M B (62)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 3:18 pm
I'm living in Europe; so no Thanksgiving for me !!

Olive Tassell (7)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 6:44 pm
My Thanksgiving was in October, but if there is anything to be thankful for, it is the brave people who are still occupying against the corporate power who's dinners I hope will give them the worst case of indigestion possible.

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Saturday November 26, 2011, 5:31 am
Thank you Dandelion. I just deleted Abraham Lincoln from my Care2 page under "inspirations." I was mislead. I am one of those who are willing to forgive, because it gives me peace and ability to look forward, working for a better world. However, I am not willing to forget. If we do not understand what went wrong, and why, we will not be able to correct our mistakes. It seems to me that humanity carries on making atrocities, genocides, and deeply cruel actions towards each other. We can only end it if we understand why we do so. Please keep on reminding us.

Richard Smith (81)
Saturday November 26, 2011, 6:58 am
its important to understand what was going on in Ontario. I'm a descendant of the Attignawanton, nation founders of the Huron Confederation and if anyone has a "right" to be pissed at Seneca and Mohawk its us descendants. But when one understands the history, one can even understand the massacre attempted upon our people.

Massacres happen when one group sees the other as "evil" or "becoming evil" and this is why the attacks on our villages in 1649. The Jesuit priests and their "converts"were at "war" with the traditional wendat (village)people. When small pox spread in Huoronia, half the population was wiped out. the Jesuits were suspect,and there was a public declaration in the bear nation of Ossossanne , if any villager killed a Jesuit sorcerer, he would not be prosecuted. The Jesuits fought back by spreading the message that it was the "witch-doctors" who brought the disease and the "Christianized Huron" begun to distrust their own medicine people. Things were so bad that many Wendat fled to live with their Mohawk and Seneca "enemies" and told them about the great evil that had come and was destroying the minds of the Wendat people causing them to fight one another.
These frightened Wendat were the ones who led bands of Mohawk and Seneca to kill off these "witched-peoples" hoping that the land would be once again healed and then available to Mohawk and Seneca hunters to hunt on.
Wendat were up to this time NOT allowing Iroquois in their lands for the killing of beavers for the european fur trade. Huron had the monopoly on Georgian Bay and had good trading relations with the Algonquin speaking peoples around them.
So the Huron massacre was an attempt to purge evil from the land. (history repeats itself!!!!)

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday November 26, 2011, 8:41 am
Thank you Richard for setting the historical record straight.
Again the importance to do so as the "new" and the twisted stories become fact and fact is buried in the forgotten. It should be important to every person no matter what their heritage, that the corrected version of history be known.

Rita D (87)
Sunday November 27, 2011, 4:31 pm
Thank you Dandelion for this very important historical information, I must say that I didn't have the faintest clue about it, I'm a bit ashamed that I was not aware of this :( but I will share this information with my relatives & friends, coz' I agree that it's of the greatest importance to be informed of the 'actual history'!!! We have been mislead sooooooo often by the powerful people, we have to stay very vigilant!

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday November 27, 2011, 6:35 pm
My dear friend from Belgium. Do not feel ashamed for not knowing for I guarentee you the majority of those who live in the USA do not know their own FACTUAL history and this historical fact in particular. I try to make others aware of this the best I can from my humble place in life. I appreciate that you will further this along to other people in your life. The more who are aware the better and I thank you.

Shoba Daniels (0)
Sunday November 27, 2011, 11:41 pm

Kenneth L (314)
Monday November 28, 2011, 10:52 am
I haven't been back to this page for a few days.
Richard, where exactly did you get your data from? I'm curious, since you are stating you know 'what happened' in 1649 and what the 'truth' is, more so than someone else writing about it for instance. And there have been many viewpoints taken by many people regarding what happened in 1649. Hopefully it won't all revert back to anything said or written by non-natives is not 'factual' and the only 'factual' data is by natives, whether direct descendants or not.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday November 28, 2011, 11:15 am
Going back before white european contact, various authors have stated various viewpoints about pre-white European N. America. Some say the native people were relatively warfare free, some say the oppostie. Who is right?

Go to this link then click the top item of the Google search to take you to the place in the book that gives various opinions of how warlike or not natives were prior to white european contact (I tried copying the data off the page to paste it here but you can't).

My point being, I hope no one has the idea that native north american people were all sweetness and light and did not kill (murder?), torture, enslave, others of their own kind, which would be called atrocities by any standard.

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