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The Free Market Has Nothing to Do With Freedom

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John Pilger traces recent American imperialism back a few decades, and then shows us how nothing has changed with the new Administration but cotinues the same thought process as leaders gone before. A Populist Movement is stirring. Good video please watch


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Roger G (148)
Monday April 2, 2012, 3:29 pm
noted thanks !

Kit B (276)
Monday April 2, 2012, 3:59 pm

You're right of course, Dandelion this should be shared for everyone. I just had my doubts about who would watch. The most fun for me was to see John Pilger after having read his books. He targets in with laser like accuracy from Vietnam to today. Those who make the choice to not watch are missing important information.

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 2, 2012, 4:38 pm
I very much agree Kit, and I thank you for leading me to the video. I hope others will be willing to take the time to view by our suggestion as I did with you pointing it out to me.

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:08 pm
I also want to thank John C. who had sent this video to me but I hadn't gotten to his message yet. Well I do guess there are a few of us who feel this video is very informative to pass around.

If you are tired of the same old song and dance by the two Parties perhaps you may want to check out one of these people.

Mary T (178)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:55 pm
Thanks Dandelion a very powerful video, We won't get fooled again.

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:18 pm
I'd like to think we'd not Mary, is why it is so important to learn our history. Not just dates and boring fall asleep lessons, but how does history apply to our lives individually and as a Nation.

Myron Scott (70)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:23 pm
Thanks, D. Pilger is the Noam Chomsky of Australia.

. (2)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:30 pm
Thank you.

divergent revolution (309)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:32 pm
I've always wished that humanity would wake up.
Thanks Kit and Dandelion for leading the way.

Darlene K (356)
Monday April 2, 2012, 11:13 pm
excellent video, thank you. Sad that some in the spiritual community did follow the propaganda of this President and his campaign, in 2008. However, this lightworker..., did NOT vote for him for obvious reasons. I voted for Cynthia McKinney who was the best choice, in my own opinion, from the lot.

I won't lose hope in humanity. The United States of America has the potential to become an awesome force of GOOD..., but it is going to take much more awareness and many necessary changes within its communities from the individual to the White House and beyond...

May It Be...

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:18 am
> The Free Market Has Nothing to Do With Freedom
and EVERYTHING with propaganda, of course.
"free market" - that's what the oppre$$ors call it when it is dominated by THEIR rules and they don't want you to know (and even less think about) about these rules.

" There isnít one grain of anything in the world that is sold in a free market. Not one! The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians. " -- Dwayne Andreas, former CEO of ADM

"free trade agreement" = newspeak for "investors' rights decree" (-~ Noam Chomsky)

if it's free -- why does it take the biggest military of the world to enforce it ?


Norm C (74)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:35 am
I am more than a little suspicious of Americans Elect. One reason is that only the board, despite all the online "voters", has final say in who will be the candidate. Another reason is that this is a 501 (c)4 just like the Super PACs, and just like the Super Pacs, financial disclosure is completely absent. I suspect, but that is all it is, that this is just another elite attempt to aid the GOP by siphoning off support for Obama.

My only advice is to make sure that we thoroughly investigate the candidate we vote for. Their past positions and associations may not be a perfect prediction of their future policies, but it does tell us what their path has been and what their values likely are.

Norm C (74)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:44 am
As for empire, please remember that Mitt Romney will fit onto that throne even better than Obama. Like most of us here, I am not amused by Obama's performance thus far and doubt that a second term would be a lot better and likely would be no better unless the public turns out John Boehner (I love this spell-checker; it just tried to spell the Speaker's name as Boner), McConnell, Ryan, Cantor, etc. and gives Congress real progressive majorities in both houses with Blue Dogs in small enough numbers to pose no threat to real problem solving. My one great sorrow is that Dennis Kucinich will not be back.

Arild Warud (174)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:40 am
If you forget your history you are likely to make the same mistakes over and over.Great video with a lot of good points,thanks Sheryl.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 4:08 am
It's a good time to give up hope....then we can all feel better.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 4:46 am
John Pilger - people's hero.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 6:07 am
Thanks Dandelion. The audio wasn't good....many breaks, but heard enough to get the gist and appreciate it. Yes,
Johnnies on the spot---the spirit of America!

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 7:02 am
I didn't have a problem with the video Olivia so I'd say it must of been on your end of things.

Understood Norm on the Americans Elect, I'm trying to give some other more exposure, that people are not just stuck with the Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum Parties. Rocky Anderson is running on his own platform called the Justice Party, but I thought this a good way to give him more exposure as well.

Dar and Wolf, both very wise words. Thank you for the input as well as I appreciate the rest on this thread who took the time to view.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 8:50 am
The free market has never been free; it has always been paid for with the sweat and the blood of the workers.

Caitlin M (104)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 9:49 am
Thanks for your determination to get this heard, Dandelion. It IS well worth it. Norm's cautionary words are good ones, too, about Americans Elect. It is sad that we must be so suspicious of everything now, but the evidence is in that the greedy have no morals as regards the treachery they will foist upon the unsuspecting. This video does speak to the schizophrenic view one can easily have of Obama: The cool, clean-living, smiling community organizer vs the culture killer in Afghanistan, the hunter of Americans without legal recourse for the citizens, a supporter of the Patriot Act. It is becoming harder and harder to ignore these choices Obama has made and still think of him with the hope he engendered in most of the nation, it seemed in 2008. I liked the quote from Woody Allen: "I felt much better when I gave up hope." I'm beginning to feel better, too. Thanks, Dandelion, Kit, John C and others who are not giving up on what is true.

Myron Scott (70)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 10:22 am
I really have no idea what to do about the Presidential election.
Watching Obama in campaign mode so far - peddling cooked
unemployment stats as proof of "his" economic "recovery",
blessing Keystone if privately done, embracing an all-fuels
energy policy including fracking, offshore and public lands
drilling and patched up nukes, challenging the clear authority
of SCOTUS to declare Acts of Congress unconstitutional yet
failing to instruct his Solicitor General to properly prepare to
defend Obamacare before SCOTUS churns my stomach even
worse than I'd anticipated. Yet the GOP is as bad or worse on
all those issues, and clearly far worse on women's rights and
LGBT issues. And, on top of everything else, voting for a third
alternative that merely hands the victory to the GOP strikes me
as being as bad as outright voting for them.

Ah well, it just leaves me where I've been for nearly a
year: Focus on policies (promote the good; protest the bad)
and lower level elections, not the Presidency - because
no matter how we vote for President, no good can come
of it.

LaurenBackSoon K (173)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 11:07 am
Noted. Thanks Dandelion.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 11:39 am
I hear you Myron on EVERYTHING you said above. The one thing I think most keep forgetting that are more and more disillusioned with Obama or the Democrat ticket, is many of the Republicans feel the same way. If you look at how hard it is for them to select someone, and eventually they are finally going to just endorse the least of their evils too. Most of the Republicans that could come out to vote are not even doing so, they just do not like any of the idiots....yet they too don't want to vote for Obama.

Is why it is VITAL.....that we give ALL Americans a choice of other options and if both the Republicans and the Democrats FEAR the same thing, well if I don't vote for my Party then the other side will get in, then we will FOREVER have this back and forth situation until the cows come home. Making this situation worse each year until we have destroyed all that we have and the Earth Mother in the process of it.

I can't do it anymore, I'm not supporting that which is destroying me, my neighbors, my Country, and the very ground I walk upon, the Earth. It takes courage for true change, it takes a leap of faith as well that others will also join in and turn their backs on those who have caused this. But if we keep putting out there into the Wind and onto the threads that it can't happen a 3rd choice, a choice for sanity, then you get what you Fear. Not a thing will change and we get Obama or Romney and nothing improves.

Frankly if the worse of the evils get in, maybe it will finally get so ridiculously stupid, as it isn't far from there now, that the whole damn Country might finally stand up and join Occupy or throw the darn crooks out of their ivory towers. Is the trouble with people, they have to hit the pavement and get completely broken up before it is time to dust themselves off and roll up their sleeves.

Frankly I see little difference in the two evils......

I am going for Justice for a change......

Sarah M (12)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 11:47 am

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 11:59 am
There is no free market big corporations pay off government to keep them on top.

Robert Hardy (68)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:00 pm
Reality is made of many strands. This is one and an important one. But each ideology has it good point and its bad points. I wonder if we will ever control any of them.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:01 pm
This article is not accurate. I hate people that have no idea how the world works letting on that they know it all. This guy is a dumb ass!

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:12 pm
You have the right to your opinion, but your statement doesn't reflect much within it David. Did you watch the video? Can you point out some specifics as to why this man is a dumb ass or should we just accept your curt statement?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:43 pm
Thatís a good question Dandelion. Although, something tells me that David has intimate knowledge of what it takes to be a Ďdumb assí.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:48 pm
Big factory farms are allowed to make food covered in bacteria and then dose it with radiation or chemical disinfectant then sell it to us. The small farms are shut down for the smallest violation and are more strictly monitored.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 12:57 pm
I have intimate knowledge of how corporations and government get into bed and kill the small guy. And if you don't know this and you are more than 12 years old you are a dumb ass too. Book are not just there to fill shelves you can read them too. And there is something called the internet where you can look things up. Since you want to call me a dumb ass I thought i would point out your stupidity. I have been studying political corruption for a long time so someone spreading misinformation is gonna hear it from me. Okay!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:03 pm
My goodness David, did you misunderstand my comment?

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:07 pm
How is free market not freedom. It is a freedom to make something of yourself. It is the restrictions set by government on the smallest businesses and they laxed regulation of the big corporations that is not fair. Union carbide killed a lot of people in india got off with paying almost nothing in competition to the families. But a small company doesn't jump through hoops they get shut down. This is not free market it is back room pay offs to officials to look the other way. As I said there is not a free market and that is why this guy is a dumb ass. I could go on to list hundreds of examples but you can easily look these up.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:12 pm
I like your statement of no more drug war however. I could go on for hours about that one. Since the c.I.a. is the biggest importers of cocaine and opium. And the u.s. jails are filled with victims of drug addiction.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:39 pm
The drug war is another example of anti free market benefiting government and hurting everyone else

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:42 pm
David, I must say, your typos and your knowledge of how punctuation works, and sentence structure, while trying to convey thoughts with the written word, makes it quite difficult to even know what youíre talking about.

I must confess, I have only viewed the first 11:00 minutes of the video due to bandwidth restrictions, but found nothing I heard resembling anything that might be uttered by a Ďdumb assí.
Your condemnation of this guy makes me suspect your motivation David. I'll get back with you when I've viewed the entire video.

david weitendorf (3)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:46 pm
Where there is no drug laws drug use is almost none existing. Where it is not illegal it is cheap so not many drug dealers because it is not profitable to sell drugs also crime is low!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:57 pm
David, would you agree that the drug war is at the root of everything that is wrong in this country?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:02 pm
There is no such thing as a "free market" in existence today. I doubt there ever was. Our so-called "free market" is controlled by a handful of corporations in each major industry, (and most of those are in the hands of a few greedy banksters),and unless you're a member of the elite, you don't stand much of a chance trying to compete with the corporate elite.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:17 pm
David, if you would watch this video I would suspect that this man would agree with much of what you have said. So I'm not sure why you call him a dumb ass if you and he would be in agreement with each other.

But this is what happens when people don't watch the video and "think" they know what is in the half hour based solely on a title or upon someone else's comment that may also not have watched the video.

Mike m (9)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:24 pm
Dan-D-Lion, great idea to educate yourself on other alternatives. I was a Libertarian Party member from 1987 to 2008. Now I'm an Obama guy (I paraphrase Churchill when I say that "Obama is the worst candidate, except for all the other ones.") My concern with Americans Elect has nothing to do with not trusting them. It's more that they don't have ballot access anywhere. The "2 Party System" in the US is rigged to keep independent or minority voices from even getting votes. 2 websites worth checking out (you probably already know them, but for others on here) are (Ron Gunzberger, the webmaster, is a committed Democrat, but the site is pretty close to Neutral) also, Ballot Access News (Richard Winger), which deals with the disenfranchisement of candidates across the country. Some states like Colorado (pay a small fee or get 500 signatures, or some other such small number) are fairly easy. While others (Oklahoma and North Carolina both require something like 90,000 signatures within a 90 day window) are almost impossible. Keep up the good work and idealism! :)

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:25 pm
Perhaps the title should read, " The So Called 'Free Market' Has Nothing to do With Freedom' ?

Jae A (316)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:29 pm
I think that many of us reconized the coup and that's why we voted for Obama, thinking that somehow we were wrong about it...and as it turned out those of us who felt one had taken place were right.
Laws are being passed faster than we can type our thoughts about them daily. All too many that are more signs that we are no long under the same governmental system we once were or thought/hoped we still might be,or at least the chance at that point to return to it, when the 2008 rolled around. We had all the signs of change when the Supreme Court 'appointed' Dubya..there went our right to chose our presidents. Then the wars that so many of us at the time had no doubt that they were as bogus as could be when it came to something to do with Bin Laden or 'WMDs' but for profits. Then there was the Supreme Court opening the flood gates for Corporates to buy all the politicans and on and on. So many details to come between those two huge events to mention but I think more people now are coming to reality that we are not going to elect anyone outside of 'their ' selected group....Is there really the lessor of evils to chose from or are they all working for the same world powers ? So many questions so little time.

War backed by Religion is the root MJM ...without that 'they' could have never been able to get the support they needed for their 'coup' differently than Hitler used religious folks [Christian extremsit of that period] to support with their 'blind faith' no differnent than in their 'bibles' waving them in front of them etc...along with guns and shouting fear etc. etc.

Unfortunately I have not been able to watch this video as of this moment but I hope to perhaps later this evening when in town' and near a public connection. I am really looking forward to watching it but wanted to add my comment before heading to the job site this afternoon...bla bla bla :-).

Nadine H (1)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:39 pm
Thnx 4 info! well noted!

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:44 pm
I used a direct quote from the video that John Pilger stated for the title. I didn't want to use the Obama and Empire for I would get too many that would either want to bash Obama or sing his glories and the video goes beyond one man or one President. I was really trying for the people to view, listen, and learn from this video. I can only present, I can't force.

"Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that a coup has occurred. Itís not just a question that a coup lies ahead with the next 9/11. Thatís the next coup, that completes the first."
Daniel Ellsberg 2007

"I think nothing has higher priority than averting an attack on Iran, which I think will be accompanied by a further change in our way of governing here that in effect will convert us into what I would call a police state."
Daniel Ellsberg


Tuesday April 3, 2012, 2:58 pm
Very inspirational video. Mr. Pilgers documentaries on Latin American countries moving to the left are must sees!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 3:12 pm
'War backed by Religion is the root MJM '. You sure got that right Jae. When I think about the real reasons we go to war I have to think about what fuel Henry Ford designed his cars to burn. Sustainable Hemp bio-fuel was the sane choice from day one, but alas, DuPont and his conspiritors succeded in getting Hemp outlawed and we've been fighting for the right to control the flow of Oil ever since. The war on drugs is keeping us from using Hemp as a fuel, at the expense of the planet and every inhabitant.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 3:31 pm
I hear you Sheryl. I would have done the same. I think one of the biggest problems we face in America is that people don't 'watch the video'. I'm up to 15:00 minutes and I have to say, this guy nails it.

Thank you so much for posting this Sheryl. And you too Kit for your part. You two are still my most favorite activists on Care2. Please, keep up your great work.

Myron Scott (70)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 5:20 pm
Dandelion, thanks for your response to my comments. Right now I have four open options: Obama; Justice Party; Green Party; write in. Libertarian Party is not one of my options, not given what the Lib's have become in recent years.

As far as David's vision of freedom and free markets, as long as capital is allowed to accumulate in a few hands without regulation, it becomes the main source of power. You can kid yourself that if you just work hard enough and are creative enough within the current economic system, you can accumulate equal great wealth; but the odds are long against you, and if you do not stoop to embrace their values, you will remain an outsider to the monied power elite. Alternatively, you could eliminate the Federal government tomorrow; and who would (still) run state and local government? The wealthy few. You could burn every government building to the ground and ship every politician to reeducation camps, and the wealthy few still would rule, like feudal lords. David is wrong: an unregulated "free" market is not the solution. And Reagan was wrong. Government is not the problem. Obscenely unequal concentrations of wealth (and therefore power) are the problem.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 5:38 pm
Thanks Dandelion, Kit, and others. I've seen and heard John Pilger before, and agree with much of what he says. I shall try again to watch this video, but after 13 minutes I got bored and turned it off.

Kim O (396)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 10:39 pm
Noted! Thanks Dandelion and to Pat for sending!

paul m (93)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 12:42 am

Noted ...thanks....

Herbert E (10)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 3:16 am
A truly great speech. Putting on headphones and closing my eyes did help me a lot in understanding what he said. A half hour well spent. And buying his book - Freedom Next Time - a handful of $$ well spent.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 7:05 am
Myron, I read your last comment and I see you and I come to a differing perspective on what David said. I will have to read his comments again, as I took his words to be something else. I found his writing difficult to fully understand. Anyways, the way things are going it is not obviously working as too many in the world are rising up against it. It's not working for many people.

Thank you Herbert for taking the time to listen and that you obviously got something out of it.

Thomas Rose (46)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 8:18 am
Really interesting. Thanks for the post.

Myron Scott (70)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 8:44 am
Hi, D. Well, I re-read David's comments, too; and he does mention
lax regulation of big corporations. So, maybe he's not as
anti-government as he sounded to me.

What I think is that unregulated "free" markets have a natural
tendency to become dominated by a few very wealthy
participants who then tend to use their power to eliminate the
competition, cheat the buyer, oppress the workers, befoul the
environment, monopolize all resources and accumulate still more
unequal wealth and resultant power.

Maybe that wouldn't happen in a pure barter economy. I guess it
would help to know what David thinks would enable us to get
back to a "free market."

Kathy Javens (104)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 9:30 am
Noted. So glad I watched this video. Thanks so much for sharing. Very informative. I have never heard Mr.Oilger before. Very good video.

SuSanne P (193)
Wednesday April 4, 2012, 10:46 am
Thank you Dandelion~ Kit~ John Cause for getting this submitted. D you said "I was really trying for the people to view, listen, and learn from this video". I surely have! I might even listen to it again as it was anything other than "boring". My appreciation for the endless education of History~ combined with others whom share their vision has given me the strength TO NEVER AGAIN GIVE UP IN WHAT I BELIEVE IN ~ and just as important TO KEEP UP with the current facts and opinions.

Nancy C (806)
Friday May 4, 2012, 4:30 pm
Yes, I'll listen again too! Chock full off truth and humor as well. I like a slightly positive bent. I find the paradoxical Woody Allen statement only a bit amusing...more sad actually. I have lived through "The Age of Innocence" and realize that the farce is not yet over, but hope for a day when we might look at a peace-filled sky.
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