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The Imperative of Revolt


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Sheryl
- 1667 days ago - occupy.com
Chris Hedges explains what needs explaining. I'll keep this simple. A must read. And by all means, don't think.



   

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Sheryl G (359)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 1:18 pm
This is worth a read......take your time with it.

Excerpts:

“People with power use the tools they have,” Saul said. “As the West has gradually lost its economic tool it has turned to what remains, which are military tools and violence.

The West still has the most weaponry. Even if they are doing very badly economically in a global sense, they can use the weaponry to replace the economics or replace competition.”

“They decided that capitalism and the market was about the right to have the cheapest possible goods,” Saul said. “That is what competition meant. This is a lie.

No capitalist philosopher ever said that. As you bring the prices down below the capacity to produce them in a middle-class country you commit suicide.

As you commit suicide you have to ask, ‘How do we run this place?’ And you have to run it using these other methods—bread and circuses, armies, police and prisons.”

 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 3:04 pm
****************** bank closed..sorry. Yep A MUST READ-as ALL his writings are! THANKS!
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 4:26 pm
ty Dandelion. will catch up on this one, still have to finish listening the last part of Noam Chomshy speech at the U.N
. Democracy Now: Noam Chomsky at United Nations: It Would Be Nice If the United States Lived Up to International Law
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 4:29 pm
That's Chomsky (typo!) - link
http://www.care2.com/news/member/312733850/3815954
 

JL A (281)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 4:34 pm
An interesting read that shows where all the pitfalls are when power is held without morality or a view to a common good, among many other things. Thanks Dandelion
 

Athena F (131)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 4:35 pm
thank you
 

Birgit W (160)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 5:09 pm
NESARA will be here soon, and everything is going to be just fine. Thanks.
 

Freya H (345)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 5:42 pm
I hope - perhaps against all reason - that there is still time to reverse this horrid trend with peaceful means. But I also realize that there is a time for torches and pitchforks.

Before we take off, though, we need to read "Animal Farm" and fix the novella's warning and lesson in our minds.
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 6:11 pm
Thanx you Dandelion
 

Arlene C (28)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 6:45 pm
read and thanks Dandelion
 

Kathleen M (208)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 7:45 pm
Noted. Excellent article! Thanks for sharing, Dandelion. Corprations are people? Lovely. Then corporations can and must die. And we can't wait for TX to execute the scheming bastards...we have to do it ourselves, by starving them of consumer dollars, any way we can.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday October 25, 2014, 9:41 pm
Noted. Great piece; thanks for posting, Dandelion. I subscribe to Occupy and am grateful for their news info and also to read about successes they have---like recent paying off of college loans for many people. They are active and accomplishing much in many areas.

I believe we will always be fighting greed and the power of money; but recently many have been educated about just how bad wealth disparity really is. Maybe as people continue to vote.....and their choices win elections; they can see how everything that was promised pre-election never comes to pass. As more see this truth, and realize the problems are systemic, they will begin to speak out and protest more and more. I have hope.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 2:57 am
Kathleen said it best! THAT IS what we all need to do for starters !
"The liberals sat around writing incomprehensible laws and boring policy papers. They were unwilling to engage in the real fight that was won by a minute group of extremists." - Yep, and that is what I think WRP expressed excellently in his open letter!
As for the needed "professional or elite class devoted to profound change” - where is it and what happened to the group around Prof. L. Lessig??? We don't hear much from that corner anymore..?
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 3:34 am
re: Birgit's input there abbout http://nesara.org/main/index.htm
You may want to realise that many are considering that to be an internet hoax, designed to collect funds for its supporters and followers..don't really know what to think of it, sounds too good to be true.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 4:59 am
Thanks.
 

Arild Warud (174)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 5:01 am
“You have to understand power to reform things,” Saul said. “If you don’t understand power you get blown away by the guy who does. We are missing people who believe in justice and at the same time understand how tough power and politics are, how to make real choices. And these choices are often quite ugly.”

Exellent article,thanks Sheryl.
 

Ben O (131)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 6:41 am
"Capitalism is destructive because it has to eliminate customs, mores, political values, even institutions that present any kind of credible threat to the autonomy of the economy,” Wolin said. “That is where the battle lies. Capitalism wants an autonomous economy. It wants a political order subservient to the needs of the economy. The [capitalist’s] notion of an economy, while broadly based in the sense of a relatively free entrance and property that is relatively widely dispersed, is as elitist as any aristocratic system.

You have to understand power to reform things,” Saul said. “If you don’t understand power you get blown away by the guy who does. We are missing people who believe in justice and at the same time understand how tough power and politics are, how to make real choices. And these choices are often quite ugly..."
-Amen!
And, thanks Sheryl!
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 8:07 am
HuffPo article here > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/23/senate-democrats-fundraising_n_6037296.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2014 LOL- yeah, you dem suckers!!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 10:59 am
Glad to see so many who have read the article.....do share and suggest others read it as well. The more people that come to an understanding the better for us all.

Lawrence Lessig is busy Angelika helping to get people into various political positions as well as doing his job and giving speeches where and when he can. He's busy, as is those around him. I get updates all the time from them.
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 12:30 pm
"They took over political parties by internal coups d’état. They worked out, scientifically, what things they needed to do and in what order to change the structures of power. They have done it stage by stage. And we are living the result of that. The liberals sat around writing incomprehensible laws and boring policy papers. They were unwilling to engage in the real fight that was won by a minute group of extremists.
The democratic problem in a nutshell---unwilling to engage in a real fight---no backbone.
Thanks Sheryl.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 1:48 pm
noted
 

JL A (281)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 6:03 pm
Lessig also gave us a chance to nominate candidates we see as sufficiently progressive and different from most we see with his MayDay effort--hope everyone who knew of any took the opportunity to bring them to that organization's attention--if not, we can only blame ourselves if they lose (and if we didn't help with their campaigns, GOTV, etc.)
 

Wilde Thange (10)
Sunday October 26, 2014, 6:07 pm
I doubt much real democracy existed and when in the US the vote was extended to non property owners the use of campaign hysterics on irrelevant hot button issues or war hysteria took over for the wealthy interests. We still have the feudal system of the Nobles, Knights, Merchant Guilds and Missionaries ruling.
We are a world that will soon have to learn how to live within the means of our planet. Unsustainable growth, extremely expensive complex technology, excessive accumulation of wealth by a few, poisoning the very planet we live on, and reliance on wars of destruction and reconstruction profiteering is coming to the end of its reign of terror with the paradigm of war in all its institutions.
 

SusanAWAY Allen (219)
Monday October 27, 2014, 12:27 am
Noted and shared. Always love reading Chris Hedges articles and this was a good one. I think the comment I made in Sheryl's last post, "Time For Pitchforks Why The Obscene Gap Can Only Mean One Thing" is apropos here so I'll not repeat it.

Just suffice it to say that what's happening now has been in the planning for many, many years; and it's going to take a lot of very hard work and sacrifice by many to get things turned around again. I only hope we're up for the challenge.
 

Winn A (179)
Monday October 27, 2014, 7:26 am
Noted and thanks.
 

Nancy C (806)
Monday October 27, 2014, 7:28 am
And we have Bernie Sanders...The safety net analogy brought to mind the old circus films (Burt Lancaster in some) where a tightrope walker is distracted and falls... Well the 99.8% (or so) is on a balance beam so close to the ground already that when it's time to fall again, it'll be the big guns that take a hit if we plan and "play our cards" right. We need local stabilization so when the banks, insurance, education etc are not helped out of their financial misery, we will survive.
We need the grassroots orgs to gain even more momentum and create the roads to saving earth and its' inhabitants. Running the show should encompass letting go of criminally negligent corporations and building a safety ground for those who are MOST needy, NOT for those who have and want more...
I cannot dwell on the financing for elections that could be feeding and housing our friends...Criminal neglect Koch Brothers...
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday October 27, 2014, 7:39 am
I think for those who have missed on Sheryl's other threads i may repeat that link, incl. a PETITION here:
These Democratic Senators could cost us the Senate To Senators Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Tom Harkin, Tim Johnson and Ken Salazar: Together you are withholding $15 million in campaign contributions donated by political supporters to put Democrats in the Senate. Stop hoarding campaign cash and help us Save the Senate."
read the article at HuffPo >Senate Democrats Not Running Or Already Retired Sit On $52 Million
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Monday October 27, 2014, 10:11 am
Signed that one earlier this morning, Angelika, but thanks so much for posting it for others!.

Ben, you are so right!!!!!!! For want of another word, it's Fascism, when Corporate/Capitalists have and maintain their 'autonomous economy'. We are just about a half-step from full-blown Fascism here....IF we as The People, do not stop it now.

I know, I am preachin to the choir. :)

Thanks for posting this, Sheryl.
 

. (0)
Monday October 27, 2014, 4:27 pm
Noted.
 

Don H (45)
Tuesday October 28, 2014, 6:47 am
Thank you, Dandelion. I'm with you.
 

Thomas M (8)
Tuesday October 28, 2014, 7:03 am
Excellent article. It helped me to understand my frustrations via words that spoke simply, straightforward, and to the point. Hedges has it together. Thanks for sharing this article - it is right on the spot. Now to get politicians to understand clearly what is going on - dreaming huh?
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday October 29, 2014, 9:11 am
Getting all PEOLPE to understand clearly, what is -and has been-going on, that's what matters!
 

Catrin S (48)
Thursday October 30, 2014, 7:13 pm
Fantastic article , thank you so much for posting it here . If we could get the politicians to wake up and see the light of day ....
 

Sherri G (128)
Friday October 31, 2014, 12:06 am
Noted. Wolin and Saul are telling it like it is but where and when are we the people going to do more to stop this insidious destruction of our democracy? The failure of the people to vote this midterm election and the fact that the majority of people do not know there is a midterm election continues to play into the corporate plan to destroy our democracy. We must start with validating our vote. Thank You Dandelion excellent article.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday October 31, 2014, 7:39 am
I think we must do like Australia, mandatory voting. Perhaps that is a step in the correct direction and maybe they might think a bit before they vote. I use the term "might" loosely. We need to overturn Citizens United.

These writers are placing a lot out there, and unfortunately I have little hope that I will ever see it get back to more pleasant days as I knew at one time in this Country. We were never perfect but there was a time when it wasn't a harsh and condemning place for a lot of people, minorities have always had it rough, we were working on that. It is the youth that have their whole future in front of them, they'll have to start to pick choices of what a world they want to live in. The information is there........they must start learning. I'll always support actions and do my part anyway I can until I can't do it anymore.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday October 31, 2014, 10:02 am
Could someone pease tell me if your ballots have the option on it "none of the above"? I touched this in previous comments, but never know if you could even mark that.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday October 31, 2014, 10:07 am
No Angelika ~ that has never been on a ballot I have ever seen. You can, however write in a candidate for some offices ~ like president.
 

BackSoon Fowler (33)
Wednesday November 5, 2014, 6:15 am
Noted with Interest. Thanks again Dandelion.
 
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