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The Clinton Speech Shows That Only Sanders Is Fit for the Presidency

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Of the three leading candidates, only Bernie Sanders has the sound judgment to avoid further war and to cooperate with the rest of the world. Clinton is intoxicated with American power favoring one war of choice after another.


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Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:08 am
Did she have enough flags?

Hillary has favored one war of choice after the next: bombing Belgrade (1999); invading Iraq (2003); toppling Qaddafi (2011); funding Jihadists in Syria (2011 till now). The result has been one bloodbath after another, with open wounds until today fostering ISIS, terrorism, and mass refugee flows.

This kind of arrogance — that America and America alone must run the world — has led straight to overstretch: perpetual wars that cannot be won, and unending and escalating confrontations with Russia, China, Iran and others that make the world more dangerous. It doesn’t seem to dawn on Clinton that in today’s world, we need cooperation, not endless bravado.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:19 am
Clinton lacks all self-awareness of how poorly she performed as Secretary of State. She trumpets her “successes” as follows: FROM ARTICLE

"Unlike [Trump], I have some experience with the tough calls and the hard work of statecraft. I wrestled with the Chinese over a climate deal in Copenhagen, brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, negotiated the reduction of nuclear weapons with Russia, twisted arms to bring the world together in global sanctions against Iran, and stood up for the rights of women, religious minorities and LGBT people around the world."


hile Clinton “wrestled with China” over a climate deal, she failed to achieve one.

While she “brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas,” she failed to head off the disastrous Gaza War in the first place.

While she “negotiated the reduction of nuclear weapons with Russia,” she championed a remarkably confrontational approach with Russia based on NATO expansion to Ukraine and Georgia and a new nuclear arms race that will cost American taxpayers more than $355 billion over a decade.

While she claims to have “stood up for the rights of women [and] religious minorities,” her Syrian adventurism left Syria devastated, displaced 10 million people, and destroyed the religious minority communities she claimed to defend.

Clinton rightly accused Trump of being unpredictable, yet Clinton is dangerously predictable.
NeoCon Robert Kagan Endorses Hillary

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:22 am
Play any pop song on radio a sufficient number of times, and people will hum it, and consequently, it will sell more.

Shared the article all over the social media, to spread awareness.

Anyone who has a twitter account here, use / follow / share/retweet this:

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:36 am
Hillary---you're old enough to recall the little ditty, "Oh, your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore. It's already overcrowded with your dirty little war. 'Member, Jesus don't like fightin' no matter what the reason's for---and your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore!!" Something like that---and I am nauseated and angry and frustrated this morning, as I read the news today--Oh Boy!!

Obama endorsed Hillary and will be campaigning with her---and worst of all, says Hillary's e-mails will not be released until AFTER the election!!! I call that aiding and abetting a criminal.

Each day brings the miasmic reality of an overtly removed democracy from our government. The reason that is so frightening, is that it would not be overtly done, if the 1% who control governments didn't mean to press our tolerance buttons, inciting separatism and rebellion. They're definitely pulling out the stops for us to riot, fight amongst ourselves--so that we don't unite to remove them, our corruptors.

Hillary is their "Bombs-Away Banshee Baby", their "Piss On Peace Pin-Up Girl" !! Obama warmed her seat up for her, not in the same fashion as Bill warmed Monica's, but the result is just as climactically orgasmic . Obama is drooling over her "pre-ordained presidency", as he is eager for "his 3rd term", which is what she will be giving him as payback. Many of his suppressed dreams will become a "splashing" reality, through her and Bill and their talents and greed for immoral, obscene and even illegal power thrills. Ty Dandelion.

Animae C (507)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:42 am
"Sanders is the voice of hope, the young & the future...
and who is far more likely to beat Trump this fall."!!!!!

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 6:47 am
Thanks Dandelion--hopefully a decent percent of today's voters have chosen to become informed and understand these issues beyond sound bites (e.g., about only blue, etc.).
A sampling of the corruption designed to tilt the results in today's new articles:

Alan Grayson is in HuffPo this morning covering related content:
The Party’s Over

Excellent article based on facts as we start this primary election day:
"NOTE: neither candidate can clinch the nomination before June 14, and that makes for a 'contested convention' -- one where the candidate is to be chosen in Philadelphia at the end of July. "

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 7:00 am
And another key area, environment, where their policies differ significantly:

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 7:13 am
Poll: Voter Turnout To Exceed 2012 In Today’s Primary Election

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 7:19 am
No Sheryl, she did not have enough flags, were just 19. Add the missing ones, wrap her up in them and lay her to rest!
I already pointed out earlier the greatness of this artilicle so thx for posting it separately, sure worth reading!

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 7:28 am
Perfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Super-Delegates Declare Winner Through Media

Ben O (135)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 9:01 am
Go Bernie!

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 9:17 am
Yep, as always, Glen G. SPOT ON!!!! Simply incredible. While our local press focusd on Obama's suggestion to Sanders to "drop out painlessly". The hell he won't no mattter WHO tells him to!

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 9:22 am
14:58 GMT

Problems at polling stations in California continue, however.

Our voting machines are down here in precinct 5622. A technician is on the way!
— Harry McCracken (@harrymccracken) June 7, 2016

7:34 am and Precinct 9135 is still not ready for voters #CaliforniaPrimary
— Ericka (@achromatisms) June 7, 2016

LaurenBackSoon Kozen (173)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 10:49 am
Noted & Shared. Thanks Dandelion.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 11:27 am
Please everyone DO READ and DO TAKE THIS ACTION here: (about AP )
* *

ACTION: Please tell AP not to preempt the democratic process by telling voters their votes don’t matter.

To: AP political editor David Scott


Twitter: @AP


Please remember that respectful communication is the most effective. Feel free to leave copies of your messages to AP in comments.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 1:15 pm
Hillary Clinton is a qualified PUPPET of the Corporate Capitalist machine. . . she's NOT qualified to serve the ordinary working citizens of the country, or of ANY country.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 4:13 pm
Why do you care so much Nyack you are not voting anyway as you already informed us.
Why Do You Care If You Are Not Voting

I agree with Darren, he pays better attention to what is going on in the USA then many people. That's a big unfortunate for the people in the USA that they don't pay better attention.

She is exactly as he wrote a Puppet of the Corporate Machine and I'll add A Warmonger. Even the Neocons know this.
Neocon Kagan Endorses Hillary

Also let us not forget that she was FOR the TPP before she was against it when she saw the tide was turned towards Bernie who has always been against it. But the Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist Tom Donohue is not worried he knows she is only mouthing the words JUST TO GET ELECTED. Words mean nothing to her if she can become QUEEN. She is the Corporate puppet Darren mentions.
Top lobbyist for the pro corporate power Trans Pacific Partnership TPP agreement assured viewers that if Hillary Clinton wins the Presidential election Clinton will support the TPP even though she opposes it now

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 5:57 pm
Virtually every environmental group opposes the TPP because it makes it even easier for corporations to destroy the environment when compared to the ones which led to the devastation in Africa and South America and leaves the US equally vulnerable to our own environmental destruction. Thanks Dandelion...ironically, on this one Trump is less dangerous to us and the environment in all the countries involved than Trump's stated position.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 9:22 pm
The east-west candidate split in SD is pretty unusual for there...I'm guessing environmental and Native American issues (pipelines, etc.) may be why...and the vote difference being around 1000 may mean extra verification procedures are in order even though at over 90% of precincts reporting (were some partial?) before they called the race.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 2:16 am
Well, it's nice of you to refer to me as King of America, Nyack, but I wouldn't really want the job.

I'd quickly become Public Enemy Number 1 in the eyes of many, who've been bought out, or sold to the Corporate Capitalist machine.

You have to remember and realize I've WORKED within that machinery for 20 years, and it nearly broke me.

As King, Wall Street WOULD be dismantled. The Goldman Sachs character would be doing long term community services, there's plenty of junk and waste to get rid of.

Fracking WOULD cease. Parts of California suffering from drought cannot afford to watch tonnes of water being used to fuel the fracking process.

Everyone WOULD be on a minimum wage, to make them feel valued for once.

Telephone number salaries would CEASE.

Proportional representation would be put into ACTION.

Your Super-Delegates and Electoral Collage would be dismantled.

Every State's Supreme Court WOULD have the same rules and regulations, the public WOULD be informed.

FAX News would undergo and personnel and politics change.

Your right to own a gun would be removed, as I would be removing ALL guns and weapons from sight.

The Military Industrial Complex WOULD be dismantled. Far too much money plowed into that sterile machine and its objectives are control, death and destruction. Obsolete in a modern world.

Trade negotiations of ANY kind would include a public vote, since they AFFECT the public.

I would go on, but that's enough material for you to obviously confirm I'm NOT going to be King of America any time soon/

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 5:32 am
A pox upon the media for declaring the election over before it is. The media has not been fair to Bernie but then Corporate America pays them so what else could we expect?
Darren, I'd rather have you as President than Hillary and imo you are infinitely more qualified.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 8:01 am
Just finished looking at down-ticket impacts...there are at least 6 congressional, assembly and state senate races that a higher voter turnout should've let one of the DEM candidates beat one of the GOP candidates in the open primaries for getting on the Nov. ballot that will only have GOP choices (no write-ins permitted) due to the AP and other media's at least unethical choices. You bet that makes me righteously angry at the Clinton campaign damage the media helped do.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 9:09 am
Neither has Obama been fair to Bernie, Arielle! In his statement last night he obviously confused Clinton with Bernie! : "... Her historic campaign inspired millions and is an extension of her lifelong fight for middle-class families and children." OOPS? Gottobe kidding.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 9:16 am
a petition to stop TPP in lame duck session:

Marco C (31)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 9:40 am
Don't get mad, get even. I would suggest, looking into running for office yourselves. It's not out of your reach nor too terrible difficult. Local, county, state. Time to make a change - GO FOR IT1

Build your platform on Bernie planks. Redefine to feel the BERN.....Lol do it.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:12 pm
Thanks D,

Many good comment about her speech is near the end of this post - where it belongs.

It's time to prepare yourselves for the next phase. The only person who can divide, peel off, or split Sanders Millennials is about to enter the "race" in a very big way: Obama - who became president in part because he WAS NOT a Clinton, yet chose a Clinton as his very first appointment, will now begin an emotional psyops like only he can. Remember those 100,000 seat speeches with the pillars in the background back in 08'/12', those emotional words that stirred people's passions, those words seared deep into our sub-conscious minds? Well, they are about to be purposefully triggered, again. Obama's all "fired up and ready to go" to re-use the exact same trigger words, the same verbiage to reawaken the old passions of Millennials to sway them in.....and many could/will be swayed because for many he was their first vote in a general election.

Sanders will be in the fight of his life to hold together the peoples-movement he channeled, to birth it for a long life -- and not just another two-party political stillborn. And this fight won't be with the republicans, it will be with Hillary, the DNC, Obama, and our Media industrial Complex.

After Bernie has done all the heavy lifting, Obama plans on swooping in to take possession of Bernie's energetic Millennial Movement, and he's going to do it with a perfectly well crafted psyops of emotional guilt + "hope" + fear: guilt for trying to change our wonderful two-party system, hope of a democratic united "family", guilt + fear of Slump and his vision, hope of vanquishing those evil republicans "once and for good", guilt at not being smart enough to chose Hillary for this year's general election "lesser of two evils" candidate -- again, etc...etc.

The telephone call Bernie received last night that upset him so much probably went something like this: "Bernie, it's time you lay down your arms, you know where we(*They) want to go. Either you or I am going to bring these Millennials in this Nov, I'd rather it be you, but I'm prepared to manipulate them in with everything I've got. And there's been talk about, seems you might cause too much trouble as VP, so don't hold your breath on that one, 'kay?......Oh, and have a nice, day! the tan." (*Click*)

Here's what I say to Hillary, DNC, and Obama: There is a process; there are rules that the Machine Itself constructed, that process ends in Phila. If/when it becomes official that another Clinton Nightmare is about to being, than Sanders is obligated to join/release/ask/sway/plead to his supporters to vote Clinton. He said he would and is a man of his word. From the end of the convention, there will be nearly 4 months before the general election and in politics that is a lifetime - plenty of time for Bernie to show a "united" front to whip the boy-king Slump. So, don't guilt-trip/blame/pressure Sanders supporters into voting for the DNC's flawed-puppet because many have heard it all before, too many times before........therefore, tell your media hacks to shut up and stop it with their endless false smiles, false platitudes to Bernie, and their "gentle" requests to come aboard. Just follow your own damn rules. It ends at the convention. Period.

Next, imo, the FBI was waiting for yesterday's outcome to finally "decide" how they will proceed with the "Email investigation." It's pretty clear now: Exoneration. June's Press Conference: After our "thorough investigation", we (FBI) have found nothing illegal or any malicious intent on Hillary Clinton's part, thank you......Oh, and have a nice day, ya'll come back now, hear!

Unless Slump can come up with an Email bomb shell, the controversy will die a natural death on cable TV because the RNC + Pox News want it to die - counting on a Hillary presidency to re-build the republican party and boost ratings. Only Shammity, O'Really, Greta Van Something, and Rush Dim-Bulb will pursue the story, but without the RNC + Pox backing them, their attempts to keep it alive will be futile. Not to worry, though, there are plenty more NEW/OLD stories waiting in the que to be launched against the Clintons.

As for Hillary's speech, it was the usual: Her mouth was saying one thing but her eyes another. Violin + guitar strings snapping, shattering crystal, fingers on blackboard delivery, yes, all in all, the usual.

Well, women are that much closer to implementing "Their" agenda, too. Congratulations. Why should men have to do all the dirty work? Now, both sides of humanity are soon to be corrupted.

And as Hillary moves forward to paint this general election as one of gender: Men vs Women, Sperm vs Egg, King vs Queen,Tarzan vs Jane, Bobby Riggs vs Billy Jean King, it won't be lost on many of us that politically she only got to where she is in the nominating process because of an older man, and she will likely make it over the finish line because of another man, Obama. Without those two men helping "Hillary The Flawed" in this race, she would have been - to quote her Hubby - toast.

The DNC has been forcing Hillary-Food down the throats of democrats since 2000, yet, after the repeated gags from the left and others in the base, the DNC kept shoving the food would have thought it was clear from 2001: Start nurturing other women to be our president, but that's not how it works. The real truth is: Whatever the DNC wants, the DNC gets.

Welcome to the Machine.

The wealth of diversity, the wealth of creative expression in America - herded into the poverty of a two-party illusion.


Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:36 pm
Correction: I wrote: "Not to worry, though, there are plenty more NEW/OLD stories waiting in the que to be launched against the Clintons."

I meant to type: "Not to worry, though, there are plenty more NEW/OLD stories waiting in the que to be launched against the Clintons after the election."


Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:41 pm
I posted the TPP petition."> TPP PETITION Lame Duck

Sore losers.......well we all lose not just the Bernie Sander supporters, is too bad people don't see it. And not just the American people, when the warmongers start messing with the other Countries those people also lose.

Now for the Children's Defense Fund......

AMY GOODMAN: Marian Wright Edelman, we just heard Hillary Rodham Clinton. She used to be the head of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, of the organization that you founded. But you were extremely critical of the Clintons. I mean, when President Clinton signed off on the, well, so-called welfare reform bill, you said, “His signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.” So what are your hopes right now for these Democrats? And what are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton?
How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Childrens Defense Fund FOR POLITICAL GAIN

Just keep drinking that kool aid - don't let the truth get in the way.

Janet B (0)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:50 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:52 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.

I really liked what Randy Q. wrote above and agree with him.
Voter suppression by the Dem party in so many states is cause for alarm in my opinion.
I cast my vote based on issues, not personality or emotion. And, I cannot find it in my soul to vote for Clinton if she indeed wins at the convention. Yes, I will be watching that---unless Bernie concedes beforehand. Then, I will find better things to do with my time.

Christeen A (299)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 12:54 pm

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 1:06 pm
I agree with Darren's comment. Thanks for sharing Dandelion.

Terry Wheeler (1)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 1:50 pm
Hillary is the only candidate to have the experience and knowledge to qualify for POTUS. If you hear lies often enough, the stupid and ignorant will believe it. Too many unsubstantiated lies by the repukelicants. Use what brain you have and think for yourself!

Jamie Clemons (282)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 3:11 pm
Hillary can disenfranchise and cheat and rig the votes to win, but she will NEVER be my president.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 3:16 pm
Signed and shared that petition over social media, Dandelion.

Mandi T (366)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 3:36 pm
Tks S heryl

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 5:55 pm
While I agree that if you hear lies enough.....however some of us have done a lot of research and not on the Republican websites either. Sorry....experience doesn't mean she has made the correct choices.

Animae C (507)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 5:58 pm
GO Bernie!

And i'd rather vote for Darren than Hillary!!1

Donna G (42)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 6:38 pm
The reason that many people that Hillary has enough delegates is because the MSM is counting the Superdelegates. But, the MSM, as well as many uneducated voters seem to not realize that even if the superdelegates say that they are in favor of Hillary, they can't actually vote for her until the convention. So, legally, they should not even be asked who they stand with until then.

Washington, DC votes next week. The convention is in July. It is kind of sad in a way that our political system has gotten to the point that the two least liked candidates will be heading to the general election.

How many of you read Greg Palast? He is one of the better investigative journalists. He is neutral on both Bernie and Hillary. He has to be since he is a journalist and wants to present news that is unbiased. Remember Dragnet and Officer Joe Friday interviewing witnesses, he wants "just the facts"? This is what Greg Palast does, he goes out and gets the facts. Read Palast's Special Bulletin here:

I am used to Republican candidates trying to steal the election from Democratic candidates; but, what has happened to Bernie during this campaign season from within the Democratic Party is immoral and should be illegal.

The MSM and the DNC had Clinton nominated before she actually announced that she was campaigning. Oh, I remember on the day before anybody in CA voted, the Associated Press declared Clinton the nominee. Even after the primaries yesterday, Hillary does not have enough delegates to get the nomination. Washington, DC is still going to vote. If the convention is a contested convention, will Bernie be persuasive enough for the voting at the convention to go for him?

Hillary Clinton is not the first woman to run for President of the US. There have been many others, beginning in 1872 with Victoria Woodhull.

Hillary and Donald are both arrogant; but, with Hillary, we kind of know what we will get based upon her past political activities. She has done nothing to earn my vote. I will vote for Jill Stein.

Anne K (139)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 7:09 pm
Nyack Clancy - This isn't a high school football game - this is the fate of our country and our world. There are several people posting intelligent educated comments.

If "We the people" voted for Hillary, it is because of ignorance. It seems to me that the majority of Americans are uninformed or misinformed and vote without educating themselves.

Donna G (42)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 7:14 pm
One more thing I want to say, The DNC, et al, can not intimidate me into voting for Hillary. She is flawed, just look at her history as SOS.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 9:35 pm
A valid perspective:

Colleen L (3)
Wednesday June 8, 2016, 10:44 pm
I haven't given up hope for Bernie. Signed petitions that JL listed. Thanks Dandelion

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 6:53 am
As for Randy Q.'s comment above -".... If/when it becomes official that another Clinton Nightmare is about to being, than Sanders is obligated to join/release/ask/sway/plead to his supporters to vote Clinton. He said he would and is a man of his word."
I wonder if anyone would have a link or some source ready to confirm this. I think I, too remember once having read something along that line, just have no evidence at hand right now.
I do know for sure that Jane and he had openly said they'd vote for Clinton if he fails to clinch the nomination, however, as for urging his supporters to do the same I am somewhat unsure.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 7:58 am
One more, this is where I see it a bit differently: Randy says:
"Next, imo, the FBI was waiting for yesterday's outcome to finally "decide" how they will proceed with the "Email investigation." It's pretty clear now: Exoneration. June's Press Conference: After our "thorough investigation", we (FBI) have found nothing illegal or any malicious intent on Hillary Clinton's part, thank you......Oh, and have a nice day, ya'll come back now, hear! "

It isn't the FBI but the AG as prosecutor to decide on any FBI recommendation (whom I trust they would/may suggest indictment) but, of course, Loretta is in Obama's pocket and she would not proceed to indictment, POTUS would naturally shield his friend $hillary.
But, as you say, more baggage waiting to be unloaded, plenty actually.

As for the claim above that Clinton only needed 23 82/3 delegate votes, it is plain WRONG to count in superdelegates here. period. Primaries are over on 25 July, 2016!

Donna G (42)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:33 am
I am on Bernie Sander's email list and have been donating a monthly amount to his campaign. Not once has he come out and said that his supporters should vote for Hillary. In an interview, Jane Sanders did say that she and Bernie would support Hillary if he does not get the nomination. But, I have not heard Bernie say that. I do recall reading that Bernie indicated that if Hillary wanted the votes from his supporters she would have to work to get them. He also indicated that his supporters were the kind who put a lot of thought into their vote and even if he told us that we should vote for Hillary in the general election, we would not go blindly down that path.

In my opinion, Jill Stein would be a better woman to elect to the office of President of the US.

Also, my thinking of why Obama halted the release of the state's report is because it doesn't matter. After Hillary gets the nomination, even if there is strong evidence that Hillary could be prosecuted and even found guilty, Obama would not pursue it. Look at the Bush administration. The war in Iraq was illegal and when Bush learned that there were no weapons of mass destruction, he did not call the troops home. Bush/Cheney, et al are guilty of war crimes and should have been arrested, prosecuted, and sent to prison. Obama chose to let bygones be bygones and look to the future.

Look at what the future brought us. The only candidate who would truly represent the people is most likely not going to be the nominee. The whole voting system has been rigged against Bernie Sanders from the start. The DNC has covertly been against Bernie Sanders. The msm articles has been against Bernie.

I am still for Bernie; but, if not Bernie, then it will be Jill Stein.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 9:15 am
Thanks Donna, comletely agree with you and is about the same as I said above earlier re the email issue.
But it isn't what Bernie's been telling us in his emails, I was wondering if there are any actual reports on his alleged (his, not Jane's) commitment to work towards "getting his supporters in line" with the dems, Hillary in other words. A phrasing likely used by Obama, at least thought, if not outspoken.

But there are also others who seem to have seen such a statement from Bernie, like this Prof. Karabel in his piece JLA linked on the other thread:
says: [-] "...Hillary Clinton remains the presumptive nominee, and if she is selected, Senator Sanders has already pledged to do everything humanly possible to help her defeat Donald Trump and to unify the party in the 101 days remaining before the election."
That apparently equals urging his supporters to rally behind and vote for Clinton.

Damned if they do!
The explanation here by petition author Kshama Sawant, Seattle's socialist City Councilmember for the reasons for the petition * *
* 'Bernie: Run Through November as an Independent Organize a New Party for the 99% ' *
does make sense. You need to read all of it at the right edge of the page.


Past Member (0)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 9:45 am
Angelika R. wrote: "As for Randy Q.'s comment above -... If/when it becomes official that another Clinton Nightmare is about to being, than Sanders is obligated to join/release/ask/sway/plead to his supporters to vote Clinton. He said he would and is a man of his word."

"I wonder if anyone would have a link or some source ready to confirm this. I think I, too remember once having read something along that line, just have no evidence at hand right now."

Angelika, you will have to search for the Charlie Rose Interview mentioned below. I can't run video, my computer is in the process of dying. I recall him reiterating hi support - when pressed - on several other news shows. I will state again: Bernie is a man of his word. This race is not over until the last gavel falls in Phila. After that, there will be plenty of time to support Hillary. It wouldn't be smart to push or embarrass or guilt trip Sanders beforehand, imo.

Here's the quote of Bernie:

April 7, 2016

"As the two Democratic presidential candidates engage in some of their sharpest attacks of the campaign, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday affirmed that he would support opponent Hillary Clinton in the general election if she wins the nomination."

“Sure I will,” he said, when pressed by CBS News’ Charlie Rose in an interview. “Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”


Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 9:55 am
Thx and yes, Randy. I am aware of THAT, but was more refering to him allegedly pledging to URGE HIS SUPPORTERS to ALSO rally behind Clinton and vote for her. THAT is the key point, apparently, she could never win without all those votes! I do not see any readiness of Bernie supporters to even consider voting for her, with exceptions of those who never learn and always pick "the lesser evil", this time, as always, in fear of the Donald, a completely unfounded fear IF Bernie can run against him!

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 10:38 am
Stop putting words in my mouth Nyack! I wasnt speaking of Bernie but of his SUPPORTERS as for voting the lesser evil! Cited here by C2 members incl. Bernie supporters many many times.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 10:41 am
Angelika R wrote: "...pledging to URGE HIS SUPPORTERS to ALSO rally behind Clinton and vote for her..."

Oh, I see. I understand now. Imo, it's way too soon, Angelika, to ask Bernie politically + emotionally to do such a thing as ask/plead to his followers to vote for Hillary The Flawed. Maybe a little before, but certainly after the convention, Bernie will begin to state his case like no else can. He will make sound appeals in the same way he campaigned, now whether all will jump aboard the DNC Express to Nowhere is another story. But he will do what he said he will do. Along with Berine, there will be Obama, Warren, DNC, most of congress(Ryan + McConnell), RNC, MSNBC, CNN, POX News and last BUT certainly not least our Intelligence agencies behind her, supporting her. I think that's a pretty strong suit to play in any game. Now, is it possible she or her idiot camp-pain staff could make another stupid blunder and blow it: YES. Hence, the name Hillary The Flawed, but barring any major mistakes before or after the Circus Conventions, she has a very good chance to be sworn it next January. (*you have no idea how painful typing that last sentence was for me)

I mentioned our Intelligence agencies because out of all the support I listed for her above, INTELL is the most important AND they do not like Slump one bit....not at all. They are not on board with him and (for those with ears to hear) they have made that known in several ways - in one case, openly mocked him. Unless Forked-Tongue, Boy-King, Slump comes to a certain "understanding" with Intell, his road to the WH will become very, very difficult. And if Slump somehow makes it in without coming that 'understanding', his VP selection becomes that much more important for us all.

We'll, see.


Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 11:55 am
Not going to dispute with Nyack here, trying to deflect and troll the thread. I was speaking of Bernie SUPPORTERS mentioning those of them who never learn and continue voting for the leser evil, as my sentence clearly reads. Next Nyack comes with a SANDERS' own quote. As if I didn't know, let alone ever said he used that statement!

Yes, Randy, fully aware of ALL that and agree!. That includes your last hint re Trump's veep! He may not survive long if he ever should make it that far. The "pact with the devil' is inevitable, that's true.
The thing was that there's been claims Sanders had allegedly early on 'promised' to urge his supporters, as said above. Which I never read stated in such a clear way, thus doubt he did. THAT was my point, nothing else. Turns out he apparently didn't, only his words of "helping to unite the party ..etc" got misinterpreted.
He's no such fool to even consider driving his own supporters into Hillary's arms even before the convention.
Very likely not after either, at least not in unambiguous language.

Unless Obama talked it out of his head in a compelling way, he may still switch and run as an independent if he can get on enough ballotts.

Janet B (0)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 12:32 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 3:57 pm
I believe that is the case Angelika, his helping to unite the party was misinterpreted. He may vote for her as his wife may, but I highly doubt he'll ask his supporters to do so. He knows we are free thinkers and are part of the Movement, of which he has said many times, this isn't about Bernie Sanders.

There is this:

"Hours after Hillary Clinton declared herself the winner of the Democratic nomination, Sanders pledged to continue his fight through the last primary on June 14 in Washington, D.C., where he will hold a rally Thursday, and then at the Democratic Party's convention in Philadelphia next month.

"I am pretty good in arithmetic and I know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight," he told cheering supporters at an election night rally in Santa Monica. "But we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate ... The struggle continues!"

Donna G I'm in agreement with your comment of Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:33 am.

"This is the fate of our country and our world" thank you Anne.

As for the other who is so concerned and worried about Trump getting elected, then why are YOU not voting?
Wednesday June 1, 2016 8:48 pm Comment

Seems like someone who has been so concerned, pushing Hillary, downgrading Bernie, worried about that Trump might be elected would at least be voting herself. Mocking and antagonizing others and not even voting.

Now don't that beat all......

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 5:05 pm
"I do recall reading that Bernie indicated that if Hillary wanted the votes from his supporters she would have to work to get them."
That's right, I heard and read that also. And here' s someone already suggesting how that should be done:

That's IF she would even be able for that... she rather relies on 'president Obama' to do the job now... ;-)
While the true Bernie supporters would rather follow the suggestion as mentioned above with that petition.

Beth M (138)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 5:23 pm
I'm with Hillary.

Janet R (38)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 5:49 pm
Donna - a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.

Sorry, people, but America has a screwed-up 2 party system and again, we are forced to vote for the lessor of 2 evils rather than the best person for the job. Wait and see but Bernie will do what is right for America because he will see the reality. He doesn't want Trump elected either.

I've read than many Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary. Again, no voting is the same as voting for Trump.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 6:09 pm
We are never forced to vote for the lesser of two evils Janet, that is what they WANT you to believe to keep on slicing your own throat. If everyone would DITCH these two lame parties we could vote in people who would truly work for us......a true revolution.

The Democratic Party needs to take responsibility for their loss if Trump should win. All the polls stated that Bernie was the Candidate to better win over Trump, but the established Dem's had their Queen and as for the Corporate media, they know who will keep the $$$ coming to them, the 1%. So I'll not feel at all guilty to vote for Jill Stein if Bernie is not the nominee.

Besides there are Republicans that don't want Trump either and would of gone with Bernie Sanders, but I suppose those people will also look into 3rd Parties, and they are being told the same story, a vote for say Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary. See both sides can play that game - one I don't play anymore and have not for a long time now.

But keep voting your lesser of two has it been working for you? We ended up with Trump and Hillary. Wow, what a deal, the lesser evil got more and more evil with each passing election.

Freya H (345)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 6:31 pm
Unfortunately we're stuck with two undesirable candidates. As Helen Keller stated a century ago, we choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee. (Who is which I leave as an exercise.) Most people are going to vote for a candidate from one of the two main parties - which are becoming increasingly indistinguishable, and are equally in thrall to the 1% - rather than do their homework and take a serious look at any "third party" contenders. Geez, what the hell do I do - hold my nose and vote for the beeyatch, or vote for a true progressive candidate and pave the way for Chump? Ugh. Small choice in rotten fish.

Something is about to hit the fan.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 6:36 pm
Hillary being so far right of the party-though pretending to be 'progressive', it must be Warren's GOP past that would explain a closeness of the two. Dandelion hasn't been wrong yet and far more reliable than Repubs turned dems.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 7:41 pm
Note: The Hillary camp it is KNOWN paid a Million dollars for people to TROLL the Internet on her behalf.
I don't think bought-and-paid-for "opinions" are worth ANYthing.
Also note, that Trolls get paid BY THE POSTING. Therefore, even if what they say is PURE NONSENSE, way off-topic, or JUST ONE WORD OR TWO, they get PAID THE SAME.
Or if they repeat themselves endlessly, split one posting into two or three, etc. It all INCREASES THE REVENUE.
In this tough Economy, CAUSED BY THE VERY PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING THE TROLLS - Irony! - it's really tough to find ANY employment - and this is SEASONAL work, so has to be taken advantage of while it lasts....
Explains a LOT, doesn't it?!

In previous elections, the RNC, the Rethuglican National Committee, had "Troll Central" where the Trolls went daily to get the most recent Sound Bites, Talking Points, to USE. That's why all the Rethug Trolls sounded alike! One of our C2 members discovered that RNC site - b4 we were blocked from it, but I saw it b4 then...
I have NO IDEA if there is a DNC, a Dem "Troll Central" - nobody's spotted one YET... seems like there ought to be one, tho... so, if anybody has any more specific info than I do..... Feel free to SHARE!!!

donald Baumgartner (6)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 7:42 pm
My vote is for Hillary come Nov 8th !!!!

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:05 pm
Yes, I have SERIOUS DOUBTS about all those people the Media SAY are "falling into line" with Hillary.
It's easy to SAY anything, in an article! And these days, NOBODY IS EVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN ANY WAY, for ANY lies or mis-statements they put out! They just go blithely on... NOT like it used to be!
Thing is, the Media CAN EASILY SAY just ANYthing! "Bernie kissed Hillary's arse, so did Jane, so did Elizabeth Warren, etc...."
Then, if those named DENY that, it doesn't get printed, or it gets printed in tiny type on page 23, or, it sounds WEAK and DUPLICITOUS, as was the INTENT of the mis-statement in the FIRST place!
Denying the Truth, and denying a LIE, they just sound about the same.....

So, I advise DON'T BELIEVE THE MEDIA, when they say that THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER PERSON - whom you wouldn't expect to! - are "NOW" supporting Hillary! IT COULD BE A COMPLETE LIE. The Media LIE ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESSLY. We've got to GET USED TO that idea!
They're gonna say EVERY LIBERAL AND PROGRESSIVE YOU CAN THINK OF, supports Hillary - they'd say *I* "supported Hillary", if I was an important enuf person to matter! and you, and you....
DON'T BELIEVE THEM. Check it out for yourself....
They are DELIBERATELY TRYING TO STAMPEDE US INTO LINE. As if we were a herd of mindless cattle....

Like a Mean Person trying to COME BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR BELOVED.... oh, he/she's gone over to SEEING YOUR RIVAL, they actually were seen MAKING OUT.... THAT'S what's going on here!!!
Trying to DRIVE WEDGES between Bernie and his AUDIENCE OF MILLIONS....
They are SOOOO DESPERATE..... Can't STAND the idea of LOSING....

Being caught in GROSS LIES, is not the Humiliation for the Media that it USED to be..... it's NOTHING....
They've sold their puny Souls, a long time ago..... Just like the Trolls have.....
It's ALL AN ACT. And a VERY AMATEURISH one, really..... It's the Matrix that surrounds us on every side....
But it IS easily penetrated, with a dash of simply COMMON SENSE.....

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:14 pm
I would hope that the majority of Bernie supporters and many other American citizens had an enlightening experience as to just how corrupt our government is, during this ruse of an election. The bulk of Bernie supporters found their vote blocked, physically or by last minute changes to standard rules, regulations, laws.

Knowing that government is controlled by the 1% of elitists who rule the entire planet, that means we should have reached the conclusion that there is only one option left, to remove the corruptors. In order to do so, there would have to be a revolution. In order to have a successful revolution, the bulk of the masses would have to unite. In order for the masses to unite, they cannot be intolerant of or fighting with each other. They have to take some quiet time and think---think about what their vote for Hillary will create. Think about what their vote for Dr. Jill Stein would create.

Ask themselves if they've heard a Jill Stein video or gone to her web site. She's Bernie with fringes. She ran for the presidency before and has her plans drawn-up. Her convictions are fueled by intense passion to fight for "We The People". She would spend her first weeks earnestly addressing Climate Change issues as an emergency. She's environmentally savvy, including wanting to protect our wildlife friends---all living. All that Care2 stands for, all of the petitions we sign, all of the emotionally stirring comments we share with each other----should be leading us straight to the only party and the only person who would literally change the world---possibly save the planet and all living.

I'm very ill, presently, and I've been watching comments flying about on the old adage, "vote blue, no matter who". I see the supposed wisdom of a vote for a 3rd party taking away a vote for Hillary---which is then a vote for Trump. I used to do that myself--vote straight blue, knowing that the GOP are the opposite of what I want for the planet and anything alive. Now, forgive me, personally, I see only a smidge of a difference between the 2 major parties. I do see the difference between Hillary and Trump. However, I see the difference between Hillary and Dr. Jill Stein. I wish more folks would just do themselves and the planet that much of a favor---won't you please see the difference between Hillary and Jill? Then decide.

As for Warren and Obama backing Hillary. They are politicians, meaning their freedoms, liberties, are just so limited if they wish to be able to still play in the political field and have any respect within their party. After all, if you don't back your party, good luck getting your work and wishes pushed through in future.

I am old, and like Dandelion, have seen too much corruption and destruction of Earth and life, all due to the same old SOP within government. It doesn't truly matter much who the puppet on the throne is---it's the rest of the hive that is controlled by the 1% that is the destroyer. You can either vote in someone who also believes this and would bring with her a political revolution--or you can vote in one who is a complete hawk and GOP-style politico. Things will not merely remain the same---they will crash. Economically, environmentally, in all of the most critical areas needed for survival, crash. At least Jill is aware of all this--I'm not sure Hillary is--if she is, then she is outright evil. I hate to think that.

Forgive my rather long comment. It is meant to hopefully incite others to at least listen to videos of Dr. Jill Stein---who has Bernie's, Martin Luther King's, John Lennon's, so many other peacemaker's and Earth healer's dreams and imaginings we all admire---because this time it is not merely a political election, it is a matter of life or death for the planet and all living.


Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:16 pm

PETITION: Seattle Socialist Council Member Kshama Sawant [I voted for her Twice!] says:


This is also a Care2 News Item that I posted earlier today. Look for it with the same title. Under "Politics".

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:30 pm
Very ELOQUENT, Janice! BEST case for Stein I think I've heard!

It is almost UNBEARABLE TO CONTEMPLATE. MASS DEATHS - and NOT just of Humans!

I CANNOT STAND TO THINK HOW THINGS WOULD GO, under a - gag! choke! - President Hillary.....
PRO-Fracking .... with all the Pollution and LOSS OF THE WORLD'S DRINKABLE WATER SUPPLY... PRO-GMOs - which means, MASS FAMINE as the Corporations would control the world's Food Supply for ALL the world's people - and if you couldn't PAY THEM for it, well, tooooo bad - THAT'S what GMOs are REALLY about. And Hillary's PRO-BOMBING - OUR troops bombed by THEM because we're INVADING where we have no BUSINESS, THEIR CITIES, VILLAGES AND COMMUNITIES BOMBED INDISCRIMINATELY by US for no reason at all, no reason related to "defense" of the US.....
It is TOTTERING now - REALLY! It maybe hasn't AFFECTED YOU YET -
but it WILL - in THE NEXT FOUR YEARS..... HILLARY, all SHE cares about is INCREASING HER GREAT WEALTH, and you KNOW that is true..... you KNOW it. You have seen the DECEITFUL LENGTHS she will go to, to PRESERVE AND ADD TO that Wealth.....

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:57 pm

The People's Summit - begins June 17th, in Chicago.
[Also The Post Election Political Revolution is a C2 News Item I put out earlier today.]

Lots of Organizations, pro-Bernie Unions, and Individuals of Note, plan to be there.
Be VERY INTERESTING, what comes out of it -
it WON'T be, "support of Hillary", that I can GUARANTEE.

[And, even if Bernie were to go down on his bended knee begging his supporters and all those VOTERS BETRAYED BY THE DEMS to vote for Hillary - which OF COURSE he won't do! - but, even so, HE COULD NOT MAKE THEM VOTE FOR HER.
This is NOT "politics as usual". It's the YOUNG PEOPLE whose futures, and whose WORLD, is BEING DESTROYED BY THE LIKES OF HILLARY AND HER DEM AND CORPORATE PALS.....
Bernie's young supporters feel it in their BONES. They have a GUT REACTION. It's the reaction of AN ANIMAL, A LIVING CREATURE, FOR ITS VERY SURVIVAL...
They're NOT going to vote for their RECOGNIZED ENEMY...]

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 8:57 pm
I just had to drop back by to say thank you, BMutiny, for your reaction to my words on Dr. Jill Stein. It means very much, coming from you. We can only hope that Care2 members come to realize that Dr. Stein's heart is where our hearts are, on each and every petition we sign and story we follow--so, as this election is not merely political, it is indeed a matter of life or death for Earth and all living, we have to be ultra careful about the world we create with our votes.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 9:04 pm
You have that correct Janice we need to move from a Death Economy to a Living Economy.

Janice: "As for Warren and Obama backing Hillary. They are politicians, meaning their freedoms, liberties, are just so limited if they wish to be able to still play in the political field and have any respect within their party. After all, if you don't back your party, good luck getting your work and wishes pushed through in future."

And that is the bottom line, if Warren wants to get anything at all passed, she has to play the game. She is wise enough to know that much. As a voter we don't have to kiss their rear end, and I'm sure it must be a hard swallow to sit with those people day after day and play that chess game, as Bernie had to do. But at least Bernie and Elizabeth speaks out, but in the end, they must play the game to the extent it allows them to do something for us.

Is kind of like any employer one works for, you have to play the game, the customer can complain, call the boss an idiot, walk out, the employee is cheering inside, but if they want to retain their job they must play a game.

Dr. Jill Stein is a good woman, intelligent, with integrity, she is what we should have as the first women to be in the White House. That would be a honorable woman to hold office there, she'd be respected from other Nations.

Well I hope all of those who have come onto the thread for Hillary will not have buyers remorse. Because as far as I'm concerned you are getting a pig in a poke.

Kay M (46)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 10:04 pm
Good evening and thank you for this article - which i read and noted- sincerely KAY M.,

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 9, 2016, 11:17 pm
There are interesting, parallels with your faux phony democratic process and our BREXIT campaign in Britain.

In order to strengthen the STAY IN campaign, we've had supporters of that join forces and speak at the same function, on the podium. So, Natalie Bennett of the GREEN PARTY has shared stage with David Cameron, and Harriet Harman, former deputy leader of the LABOR PARTY.

These characters wouldn't agree with each other on most issues, most days. Cue Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

David Cameron, Etonian, son of a stockbroker, family heavily implicated in the Panama Papers.
Hillary Clinton, wears a $12,000+ suit whilst talking about INEQUALITY. Do you GET the dark irony. . .?

In Britain, Jeremy Corbyn is criticized for his rumpled clothing, whilst being a man of the people, which is so obvious you would need to be drugged and blind not to notice.

Here you have Nyack Clancy criticizing Bernie Sanders for not using a COMB. I mean, astonishing lack of perspective and blind and hysterical ignorance and arrogance.

The contest has now devolved into creating an alliance that can defeat Donald Trump, which pretty much everyone should recognize is about as bad as it gets.

I can see a situation where Bernie Sanders has to form an alliance with Hillary Clinton JUST to defeat Trump. You DO NOT WANT Trump in office.

However, Bernie stands to lose face and faith with his supporters, a lot of us, IF he joins with Hillary who is a skilled liar and manipulator of information masquerading as fact. She's also a paid puppet of Wall Street oligarchs.

Having to play pathetic puerile games in order to make life tolerable for ordinary citizens is a measure of where politics has descended and devolved to. It's a sick and unhealthy playing field. I agree with Dr. Jill Stein's assessment completely.

A better ticket would be Bernie Sanders AND Dr. Jill Stein, but your American Press/Media machine is heavily distorted and tainted by Corporate Capitalism, so genuine candidates who represent genuine change aren't going to stand a chance because the dice is already loaded NOT in favor of them.

We have some work to do.

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 10, 2016, 3:37 am
No chance in hell I see for Bernie ever joining Hillary, he'd get stoned if he dared and I do not believe this even ever crossed his mind. It SHOULDN'T in any person's with integrity. Obama isn't Bernie's boss and it doesn't matter what he says or wishes for Bernie to do, period.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday June 10, 2016, 3:52 am
Every YouTube video I've seen of him talking, and he talks genuine sense, would corroborate everything you've said, Angelika.


Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 10, 2016, 6:06 am
I'd say you covered it very well Darren in the Thursday June 9, 2016, 11:17 pm comment.

Mainstream media and the Established Democrats chose a long time ago who was going to be selected on a Democratic ticket. On the Republican side they were all Corporate, sort of didn't matter which one got in, and with money going into both camps it's a win win whether the Republicans win or the Democrats do.

Just like on Wall Street they hedge their bets, they win if the housing market does well they win if it tanks, all bases covered, the average person is to take the loss......not them, and if they do, the average person will still pay down the line in another way.

Try as the may, they couldn't stop Bernie nor the people who did learn of him, but the power is STILL in the hands of the Corporate. We've watched the rigged and broken system play out and now the Establishment has said, okay Bernie is time to go. He will honor his commitments to let every voter to vote in DC, which is a good thing for those people as they were denied the right to vote for a long time, then being at the end of the list, seldom got to exercise that hard won battle - to vote in Presidential elections. Their voting rights are still limited. DC Voters could not participate in presidential elections at all until the 23rd Amendment was ratified in 1963

Bernie will speak at the Convention, he has appointed people, good progressives to help write the platform for the Democratic Party. He has done MORE for the Democratic Party to begin the steps back to what the Democrats were suppose to be about. He, and his supporters have done a marvelous job and nothing can take that away and the supporters DO KNOW that there is much work to be done beyond this election. He has taken us and the Democratic Party farther than many thought possible with his leadership.....BUT

The Establishment STILL holds the power and so we are now at this crossroads. Those who have always been supportive of Hillary, who see anyone and anything Republican is worse, who still believe that the Democratic Party is better and is better will be happy with Hillary. Many older women because they now see a woman who is a Democrat, it stops there for them.

There are Democrats that acknowledge that Hillary isn't the best choice, but it is the choice so will support the Party they wave the flag for because of the better than a Republican. Then there are the Independents who came on board as the Bernie supporters and some I'm sure did so to push a woman forward, so that is where the split will take place. The latter who pushed for a woman will most likely remain with the Dems to see that through, some Independents will hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Some will in fact be guilt tripped and fall into the beat Trump and forget all else.

Now there is a lot of Independents that will not vote for Hillary, because their support is to a Movement not to the Party or that Candidate. As explained earlier, much was done within the system by this movement in having a spokesperson of Bernie Sanders at the helm. As he said, this isn't about Bernie Sanders it's about a Movement, a political revolution. Those of us who SEE that and HEAR that message knew this was a big uphill battle and we did very well and certainly put out the positive energy to win the White House.....

But.....I suspect most of us were not delusional but certainly remained hopeful. Had it not been for Bernie in the front with his followers behind him working hard, the Democrats would not be even speaking, with the exception of Elizabeth Warren and a few other notables the way they are. Whether Hillary believes it or not she had to usher words that sounded more Progressive, and Obama is still pushing his TPP as he did on a Comedy Show last night - THEY have NOT changed - but the conversation got out there. The Movement is wrapping up what it can do in the Federal elections - FOR NOW.

So the youth now more engaged than ever behind Sanders, the Independents, we will each search our own hearts and we will vote according, and I know many, who are aware of the 3rd Parties and Jill Stein will move there and help push that Movement forward a little more with our weight in numbers. We did all we could within the Establishment - we stood up to the one in Power and let them know - you may still be in charge but WE ARE THERE. We've tugged at them to do better, perhaps crumbs now but we are steady and growing movement.

And Movements are not just in one place at one time, we grow, embed into every aspect and every place that we need to be. We become thought and ideas and open windows. Some of us are further down the road, so we can see that not all are with us, I can see in this election people in the past who voted for the lesser of two evils are now moving away from that - they've taken the next step.

Now, we'll have to see if the Democrats can be moved more or will they entrench back into what is called the 3rd Way Democrats, or the Republicans in Democratic clothes, because Hillary is at the helm and we all know Bill Clinton is going to be in the White House again, he will not sit there and simply watch TV. So it will be seen how long lasting any of the progress will last within the system itself.

That is why many of us will not support Hillary now, IF we see that she truly is acting the way she claims in her speaking that she has suddenly been a born again "progressive" then she'll have our attention. If the Democrats in the House and Senate begin to grow a backbone and implement the Party Platform that the likes of Dr. Cornel West with the other selections of Bernie Sanders will write into the platform, then they'll gain our attention and our support if they truly are reflecting in ACTION what some are saying in WORDS.

But......until that time......for me and for many of us who have been pushing the conversation and doing all we can in our own humble ways to bring some sanity to this insanity, we spend our energies, time and our talents supporting areas that have already moved down the road, and we will work outside the system to keep this movement growing and moving.

Hillary will NOT get my vote even if they throw Elizabeth Warren into the mix. HOWEVER, if I SEE in 4 years ACTION from Hillary that she is now working like an Elizabeth Warren, she could get my vote next time. I'm always ready for people to truly wake up, I'm not expecting it out of this entrenched Corporate Hillary, but I will watch.

Thanks all for your hard work who live in the USA and thanks all for your support who live outside the USA. Yes, there are underpinnings not matter what Country we are living in that have common ties, the common people being screwed over, we have more in common with each other. As Jacob George, having served a lot of tours and eventually the weight of the wars caused him to take his own life, said: " I fought for this red white and blue but then I realized it was farmers sent to kill other farmers for You (red white and blue).

There has to be someone who speaks out for these 22 men and women who take their own lives each day after these warmongers keep pushing more of our children, the farmers, the son of the firefighters, those in poverty who are told you have few choices prison or the military, there has to be someone who will NOT in their vote use it to vote in another who uses the power of the War Machine to spray it's ugliness around. So having more in common with each other........

My vote will go to the Peacemakers......which will be Dr. Jill Stein......because the Establishment has spoken, it will not be you Bernie Sanders we still hold the Power. We can still win with the Superdelegates, but too many ARE the Establishment and have TIES to the Corporate and the Military Industrial Complex.

My tie is to Jacob George and the Afghanistan farmer he sat down with, Abdulai a mountain boy, Jacob a hillbilly. The two of them had just finished tending the fields when swept up into the wars of misadventure. They both discussed the insanity of farmers killing farmers while the world starves. My vote for Dr. Jill Stein is for you.......and for me.....and all the others who are used like pawns and spit out of this "machine".

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 6:20 am
One progressive voice in my email has been saying for a year that whichever got nominated should offer the other the VP (I'd rather have Bernie in control of economic policy than Bill like she has recently said--made me wonder about whether her foreign policy is more like an on-line game addiction which she plays with related biochemical rewards for killing and destruction)...however so many media voices are saying the Party intends to neuter the Warren wing by making her take the VP slot...all who pray should be praying for this country and that our criminal justice system actually works appropriately to give us better candidates for Nov.

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 10, 2016, 9:08 am
Never underestimate the EVIL deeply embedded in the system! JLA just provided a hint above. In fact, as stated further up, I don't even trust Warren too much...not unconditionally.
Watching and waiting to SEE in ACTION any change in/of Hillary will be a guaranteed waiting for Godot!!"
Yet, some may mistake a fatal package wrapped as a gift coming from the party's side-better check before taking it! Deception has been and will be the name of the game, don't ever forget this.

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 11:42 am
another petition to the DNC on party platform--this one Medicare for all:

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 10, 2016, 11:46 am
Thanks, signed.

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 2:07 pm
Democrats Will Learn All the Wrong Lessons From Brush With Bernie
Instead of a reality check for the party, it'll be smugness redoubled

jan b (5)
Friday June 10, 2016, 6:52 pm
I don't understand the ADORATION for this scoundrel when in 25 years only got 3 bills passed. He's INCOMPETENT as a senator no one LIKES HIM ---he only got one endorsement & only got elected to congress because of the NRA --in VT and he voted 5 times against gun control.
At this point in time the country needs smart leadership. We need more than talking points B.S. about the disappearing middle class and the repression of the American poor, etc. etc. . We need experienced leadership that knows how to negotiate, how to craft policy, and how to put policies into effect in the smoothest way possible. Accomplishments that tell us who that person is and what they are capable of doing. That person is Hillary Clinton.
I HAVE NO IDEA why this socialist was allowed to campaign with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY and now is a pain in the BUTT ----because he has the most IGNORANT of our society convinced with all these plans --that he isn't going to do ANYTHING cause congress is in charge of reform NOT HIM !!!
I can understand the MALES who don't want women to run anything----but with females it is unforgiveable they turn their backs on their own kind when they have LIZ WARREN ---and of course Hilary Clinton Fighting for equal pay and an equal command over their future instead of being controlled by men.
I have stopped posting here pretty much cause I can't stand the STUPIDITY of those who are so convinced by B>S> talk they don't care about background checks or voting records....NOTHING NOTHING except like what BERNIE SAYS. GOOD LORD---- He voted AGAINST wall street regulations that took us to 2008 and now he hates wall street----such a HYPOCRITE on everything if you care to check him out. Maybe VERMONT will help the party out by hurrying the investigation into the Sanders loan-fraud deal when Jane got a GOLDEN PARAchute of $200,000 and the college she was president of went BANKRUPT --and suggested BURNIE has a hand in a coverup..... SHYSTERS the two of them.....

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 8:50 pm
the fuller more accurate picture on bills:

and from
to show how such data is pretty irrelevant for this campaign, too:
Subject: Average bills sponsored by a Senator in a year?
Category: Reference, Education and News > Current Events
Asked by: pctorque-ga
List Price: $10.00 Posted: 22 Sep 2004 11:56 PDT
Expires: 22 Oct 2004 11:56 PDT
Question ID: 404851

With the talk of Kerry only sponsoring 8 bills in close to 20 years -
that leads to the question of how many would be the average amount?
While this number seems low, it is hard to make a judgement without
comparing it to something. In my searches I have yet to find an
answer to this. What would be the 'average' that a Senator would
sponsor over a 20 year period?


There is no answer at this time.

Subject: Re: Average bills sponsored by a Senator in a year?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 22 Sep 2004 13:09 PDT

Simple answer why he was allowed--because he represents all the people who the Party was founded to represent that the current establishment abandoned to cater to the corporations who fund their campaigns.

A felony investigation is more serious than what you allege and that applies to Clinton in several cases that are active while what you discuss is not and thus unfounded or otherwise insufficient cause for legal action.

Actually his followers show as more educated about all the issues and what government is supposed to do and be than Clintons according to the data--you're confusing him with Trump apparently.
We have actually checked the voting record data, like his wisdom on Iraq and her admitted mistake on it among many others. We know where the media is biased and are not misled by those voices but rather turn to the sources that are trustworthy--like the article that began this thread for those who are familiar with those issues and related facts, like most posting here.

This doesn't answer your question, but you may find it interesting:

"In the 99th through the 107th Congress, Senator Strom Thurmond (who
would have been eighty-two years old on the day John Kerry took his
seat in the Senate) saw some thirty-seven bills and resolutions either
signed by the President or passed into law. In other words Senator
Thurmond beat Senator Kerry by a margin of more than three to one if
you measure success in the Senate by the number of bills which are
passed by both houses of Congress.

Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, in the period that he?s served alongside
Senator Kerry, has sponsored some seventy-four items which have passed
into law (or been signed by the President), versus Senator Kerry?s

In the same period (1985 to present), Senator Kerry?s senior colleague
from Massachusetts, Senator Kennedy, has seen forty bills introduced
by him move as far along as Senator Kerry?s eleven."

and the bias of the press on Bernie
Did the Press Take Down Bernie Sanders?
The rebellious nature of the Vermont senator's presidential bid didn't fit the mainstream media's predetermined scenario.

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 8:56 pm
a better way at looking at Senate work:

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday June 10, 2016, 9:05 pm
Here is what I wrote yesterday TO SOME OF THE SUPERDELEGATES FROM MY STATE, my Congresscritters: Re Hillary's so-called "Morals" and so-called "Ethics":

I need to inform you, that it will be a HUGE mistake for you to support the nomination of Secretary Clinton as Democratic Contender for the Presidency of the United States. I realize you've probably made your mind up already, but I STILL think it's a grave, a very serious, error.

First of all, her ARROGANT disregard for protocol and security measures of the State Department, as if she were above any puny little rules everyone else had to obey, does NOT speak well for her judgement and character - indeed, she may well face CHARGES for breaking those little rules that apparently were made only for lesser people than she.
A Candidate under indictment? this will not go well with the American public!

Then, her OTHER gross errors of judgement while in the State Department - getting us into meaningless, destructive, costly, and apparently ENDLESS wars with NO GOAL IN SIGHT except further Destruction - these things made her a DISASTER as Secretary of State, and with the greater powers of a President, only speak of greater potentiality for more CATASTROPHICALLY DISASTROUS CHOICES.

Next, Secretary Clinton's OPEN FRAUD AND VOTER SUPPRESSION, in State after State after State Primaries, to give the FALSE ILLUSION of a Majority of Voters being with her, when in truth, SENATOR SANDERS would have CLEARLY WON in an open, transparent, and FAIR contest!
Particularly in New York and in California, Senator Sanders would have won BY A LANDSLIDE, and in other States, by double digits over Secy. Clinton - as shown by fairly-taken Exit Polls!
Secy. Clinton CANNOT DISTANCE HERSELF from this FRAUD AND VOTER SUPPRESSION, in fact, has GLORIED in it! and in its false results! When it is SO OBVIOUS what has happened...
This shows a COMPLETE CONTEMPT for the Values of American Democracy, and, in speaking with foreign friends, this SHAMES US BEFORE THE WORLD, as HYPOCRITES when we speak of "One person, one Vote".

For these reasons, and MORE, I and so many THOUSANDS of others, feel, that SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS is the ONLY viable Candidate the Democrats have - and should DEFINITELY be given the Nomination.
WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR CLINTON NO MATTER WHAT. You will NOT HAVE ENOUGH VOTES to defeat whoever the Republican Candidate may be. American Voters in their millions, will NOT Vote for a Candidate with so many heavy charges against her.
Her gender is not a factor that impresses, nor does it EXCUSE in any way, all the other grave Faults and Accusations against her. I beg you to RE-CONSIDER.

I had to write a fairly SHORT letter, so I ONLY included these things when I COULD have gone on a lot longer on HILLARY'S MORAL AND ETHICAL EXTREME SHORTCOMINGS.....
MORE, MUCH MORE than the mere "Flaws" that some APOLOGISTS FOR HILLARY ARE NOW SAYING.... It's the New Meme, a "Flawed" Candidate.... but, IT'S. SO. MUCH. MORE. THAN. THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rose Becke (141)
Friday June 10, 2016, 10:21 pm
Janice your comment has touched me so !

Rose Becke (141)
Friday June 10, 2016, 10:22 pm
Kudos to BM for what she wrote

JL A (281)
Friday June 10, 2016, 10:34 pm
Jim posted this on another thread:

Raleighaway k (358)
Friday June 10, 2016, 11:05 pm

Sandra Penna (135)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 5:12 am
Go, Bernie!!! The world needs you. I sincerely believe that Bernie would inaugurate a new era in the relations of the countries of the Americas. Look what is happening in Brazil now - a coup is destroying my country, and the US attitude is from connivance or omission. The US presidential elections affects the entire world.
Thank you, Dandelion.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 5:26 am
Jan has revealed herself that she is voting for Hillary and attacking Bernie because she is a woman and he is a man. Nothing to do with policies, Jan has gone into the same Republican cupboard to attack Bernie; she has in fact been given MANY times the accurate information to counter inaccurate information she has commented on the treads about; she chooses to remain ignorant to simply vote in a woman.

We do our gender NO justice to vote for ANY woman, simply because she is a woman. Women should be educating themselves and voting on policy, reviewing what the woman has done in the past and not what only the Corporate media is pushing.

Jan is of the same ilk as Madeleine Albright who said "“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other.” Well there isn't and that is wrong when all one votes for is for their gender or their race or their religion. what should be chosen, and women who don't understand that are slicing their own throats and their children also.

Hillary's good for the ELITES a tiny fraction of women at the top of the heap, she fails miserably when it is on policies for the poor and the lower to mid middle class women- and when asked what the income is for middle class she stated $300,000. With over half the population of both men and women earning $30,000 a year she is way way out of touch. Maybe she read the figure wrong, saw one more zero, but that again is showing how out of touch she is.

You dislike Bernie so badly Jan, yet Hillary Clinton parroted just about everything he SAID. When she saw he was getting the crowds and the attention she began to sound more and more like him. He is a leader she is a follower and when she has led she had led us into one disaster after another in both foreign policy and in domestic issues.

You want a woman so badly Jan, vote for an honorable woman, one who knows her facts, one who has and is working for the common people, one who is working to bring us into the future with clean and green economy, one who is a peacemaker. Her name is Dr. Jill Stein and she is with the Green Party. Now that is a WOMAN that is a beacon of womanhood. Vote for her, don't vote for the Corporate shill that will only make the lives of other women worse

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 7:07 am
Bemusing to me that a country the size and stature of the United States can not produce two Presidential candidates of a higher calibre than Mrs Clinton and Mr Trump ...

It matters to non-Americans too because American economic and foreign policy casts a shadow over the whole globe.

Mind you, we can't complain as European politics is bereft of true statesmen too.

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 7:12 am
The 'least bad' scenario is so unhealthy for democracy.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 8:00 am
Well John, there ARE two candidates that ARE of a higher quality than Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

They are Bernie Sanders and Dr. Jill Stein. Sadly neither of them has had the main backing of the U.S. mainstream Press/Media machine, NOR the backing of the BIG Corporate Capitalist elites, so their campaigns have struggled as a result.

If it had not been for friends on CARE2, Alternative Media sources and YouTube, I wouldn't have heard much from or about Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein, but mainstream media can only peddle so much, which people who don't make the effort to expand their horizons beyond mainstream media, or are heavily conditioned into right-wing thinking, will just accept as the truth.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 8:24 am
another platform petition--Social Security this time:

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 9:39 am
Greenspan admits that Bernie Sanders was right

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 12:08 pm
Kudos Dandelion for this article being the most commented on story of the week (most weeks all the top ones are about animals or the environment)!

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 12:43 pm
As Establishment Lines Up Behind Clinton, Calls Resound to 'Let it Bern'

"The Bernie campaign didn't get this far by deferring to the powerful, and there's no good reason to start now," says Norman Solomon of RootsAction

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 1:16 pm
A nice comparison of the 4 candidates mentioned in this thread:

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:18 pm
Wow, amazing JL A on noticing that story was in the top and popular. Guess we should also thank Nyack for that as well. Thanks everyone!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 3:35 am
Bernie has created a progressive movement inside the Democratic Party and Killary cannot get away from that.I sure hope you vote in many more progressives to the Congress and the Senate.
Don't let Bernie's Revolution fade away.

Roger G (148)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 2:06 pm
noted, thanks

Sara G (104)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 4:34 am
True, Hillary has many flaws and I would much prefer Bernie. However, if it comes down to Hillary or Trump I'd vote for Hillary any day! I only hope the Bernie supporters aren't so disappointed that they don't vote.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 11:52 am
Agree with Arild that the movement Bernie Sanders has begun should be maintained.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 5:36 pm
As one of the Bernie supporters Sara, I'll vote but it won't be for Hillary it will be for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. She and Bernie are on the same page and she is a really intelligent and honorable woman, something I can't say for Hillary.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Friday June 17, 2016, 12:16 am

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Sunday June 19, 2016, 8:01 am
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