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Uprising in The Rust Belt


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Sheryl
- 936 days ago - politico.com
Why is an area that had heavy Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary but are voting for Trump. There are many other areas like this across the USA. This article has an answer.



   

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Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:32 am
Karlheim—blue-eyed, 58, and graying around the temples—spends his days behind the wheel of a giant coal truck, but the declining coal industry has hit Karlheim hard. He’s making $10,000 less than he was just three years ago, he said, and he’s worried about his mortgage. “How do you make those payments?” he asked. This spring, after years of not voting for anyone, in either party, in any presidential election, his anxiety compelled him to cast a vote in the Democratic primary.
For Bernie Sanders.

“There used to be a good work ethic in this town,” said Dave Pankoke, a 54-year-old Desert Storm veteran who has lived here his whole life. “Anymore, it’s about getting what you can.” Which, for Pankoke, isn’t much. He was laid off from his last steel job three years ago, he said, and now gets by driving heavy equipment. “On and off jobs,” he said. And at a fraction of what he used to make. “Maybe the union seen it coming,” he said. “But we didn’t.”

These are some of the people.......read their story......find out why Hillary doesn't appeal to them. They are not really Trump fans either - but if they can't have Bernie they'd rather go to Trump.

And this is Big time Democrat territory - foolish Democrat Party pushing the Candidate of THEIR, the DC Establishment choice, another euphemism the cocktail group, rather than the Candidate of the PEOPLE'S choice, the laborer and the youth trying to launch choice. Big big mistake.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:33 am
Basically the people who feel forgotten by the Democrat Party that use to claim they were on their side.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 6:00 am
Shared over social media, Dandelion.

Basically the Dice of Democracy is Loaded before you start, given that voting for who you want is restricted and dictated to by your voting system. Any party should be able to register for every single county and State, and people should be then able to vote for whichever candidate they wanted.

Voting as it stands is skewered and unfair for the overall electorate,
 

JL A (281)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:45 am
Thanks for posting Dandelion--this illuminates why Clinton has to do something to earn their support and the sound bite of blue no matter absolutely will never work for people like those in this post.
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 11:47 am
Noted
Thanx Dandelion
 

Roger G (148)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 1:07 pm
noted, thanks !
 

Lenore K (0)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:55 pm
ty
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:32 pm
Got that correct, the slogan doesn't work because the "blue" hasn't worked for too many people for too long.
 

Kay M (46)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 10:27 pm
Good evening and thank you for this article - which i read and noted- great information- clinton has a lot of work to do to win over these people - maybe after the convention BERNIE COULD HELP HER LEARN HOW TO SPEAK WITH THESE PEOPLE -without sounding like she is putting them down- MAYBE SHE NEEDS TO TAKE ELIZABETH WARREN AND BERNIE WITH HER AND HOLD TOWN MEETINGS to show the people she is sincere about wanting to help them--- sincerely KAY M.
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 10:58 pm
It's just sickening to see the working class people who have been crushed by he 1% clinging to the illusion that either Trump or Clinton care a rat's ass about their interests.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 3:59 am
As you used the word "illusion' Judy, for those who have not watched this George Carlin piece they might want to check it out, is only a few minutes long ILLUSION
 

Barbara K (61)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 3:26 pm
By the way, Hillary is double digits ahead of Trump. I more of Bernie's people are voting for her than not. Also, many Republicans are voting for her, and many of them left the Repub. party. Trump is just furious that she is that far ahead of him. lol.
 

Mandi T (366)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 4:36 pm
TY S heryl
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 4:57 pm
I'm not sure what poll you are referring to Barbara concerning the Bernie Sanders supporters voting for Hillary as the latest poll is that 55% are NOT going to vote for her.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-22/nearly-half-of-sanders-supporters-won-t-support-clinton
That is up from 25% in April who said they'd not vote for her and the 33% in May that said they'd not vote for her. So she is, if anything losing Bernie Sanders supporters.

That Hillary is ahead of Trump well that most likely is so as people are very unsure of him and he's said a lot of foolish things that hasn't helped him at all. But this article just shows that Hillary is missing out on lots of votes that were formerly Democrats. She'll not pick up the lions share of Independents either as per the polling results.
 

Gloria picchetti (304)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 6:37 pm
They act like fools.
 

Beryl L (82)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 8:06 pm
I don't think they act like fools.
I think they are fools.

Thank you Dandelion
 

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 9:54 pm
They are fools
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Monday June 27, 2016, 2:55 am
Looks like you're between a rock and a hard place but you need to ask yourself if you're willing to vote for "Dirty Coal" and further pollution just to try to keep Trump from winning.
 

Birgit W (160)
Monday June 27, 2016, 4:24 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 4:53 am
Kay - if she goes for Warren, she loses major campaign money (and THAT'S unthinkable to her, I suspect)!

I wonder if she'd have the courage to throw off the PACS & try voter support? Bernie has shown it can be done - but somehow, I'm not sure that even such a gesture (combined with Warren as VP) would win enough trust for it to work. And I doubt she'd trust "the People" enough, either. Easier to keep on being bought ...
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday June 27, 2016, 5:33 am
I'd also like to remind people that votes are still being counted in CA, there are some contested races in other States in the courts, and the Superdelegates have not yet voted.

I see an article that came out today that does not give Hillary double digits against Trump but they are at 47% and 42%, Hillary the higher, but that is close and within a margin of error to go either way. Only Bernie was a clear winner over Trump and from this article these people would and did vote for Bernie but not for Hillary.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-national-cnn-poll/

If the people are so worried about Trump getting in they should be STILL supporting Bernie Sanders who is still NOT out of the race. I understand for those who truly have supported Hillary from the beginning that is something they will not want to do, but for those on the fence or have been Bernie supporters don't throw the towel in yet; Bernie hasn't.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday June 27, 2016, 5:42 am
I'd be very surprised if Warren will be chosen to be her VP. She'll use Warren as long as she can to try and woe the Bernie supporters over to her and Warren understands, as a member of the Democrat Party she needs to work "with" them if she has any hope at all of some or many of them coming over to help her in some of her own causes.

If Hillary is in the White House she can veto anything that Warren may want to pass through and Warren is not going to risk making an enemy. Warren understands that if Trump is President she will have little shot of anything of hers passing his desk so she has no loss there.

Besides the money factor that Evelyn mentions from Wall Street I don't think Hillary would want to share the stage with another woman, she enjoys being the Queen bee too much and she knows Elizabeth is a force within her own right to reckon with. The only way to muzzle Elizabeth would be to place her in the White House VP slot, as that is sort of the position no one hears about once there, but I don't really think that Hillary herself would want to have to work that closely with her. To help Hillary win the White House sure come on Elizabeth, to be in the White House with her.....no way. Just my gut feeling on it.
 

Winn A (179)
Monday June 27, 2016, 7:12 am
We MUST defeat Trump and any person who is seeking reelection that is a Republican. Please Vote Blue in All Elections and get back Congress and the Senate from the Republicans.
 

Peggy B (43)
Monday June 27, 2016, 7:42 am
Sadly Trump will probably defeat Clinton as they are absorbing the Bernie supporters that were not Democrats. Even many democrats are disillusioned and will not support another status quo candidate. The democrats need tod realised there is a revolution going on and if half of the voters wanted Sanders then they only have the guarantee of 1/2 half of the Dem votes with all GOP and some Sanders supporters going for Trump. They need to do the math.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 9:46 am
Dandelion -
I tend to agree that HC wouldn't really want a woman at her shoulder, & would probably justify this by saying that gender equality would call for a man as VP!!

I also hope she doesn't feel the pressure to the extent of actually asking Warren to be VP, because Warren doesn't want the VP slot, she has things to do & wants to be able to do them; VP would muzzle her too much. But how could she actually turn it down, if asked directly? (She can't use that nice "considering it" if actually asked - and turning HC down isn't good for one's political health, one's opportunities to work effectively for what one believes in.) Not to mention the idea of 3 months intensive campaigning as running mate ... I wouldn't wish that on any person I respect!

I reckon that it's hard to project at this stage. So much shifting between parties - hard to track what impact since the flows are not one way, nor consistent in the patterns. Too many factors trigger changes, too: DT comes out with something outrageous, & ... swing. HC is shown up badly & ... swing. Brexit shakes the entire financial world & shows what fear-rhetoric can lead to, & ... swing. Arguments push voting AGAINST because there's little platform offered on issues. And - Bernie hasn't given up yet, either. Where there's a hope ...
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 2:55 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.
Yes, it was surprising to me to find so many who will absolutely not vote for Clinton, but will now vote for Trump if Bernie isn't the candidate. They are not really aware of any Third Parties because for the past several Presidential debates, there have only been 2 candidates---with the Third Parties being completely ignored.
My own son, (who is 29 yrs. old) is a BIG Bernie fan, and voted for him here in the primary, has stated the possibility that he might even vote for T-Rump. (I thought maybe he was trying to get a 'rise' out of me). And, he does seem serious. Seems like there are a lot of very angry Bernie supporters who are thinking the same way. I hope the Dems are taking note.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday June 27, 2016, 6:52 pm
I think the Dem's have their head up their arse so not sure what note taking they are doing.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 4:24 am
Will stand by Bernie and if he's not on the slate come November, will vote for someone he admires and will end up working with---Dr. Jill Stein. At the least, it will give more power to The Green Party for future elections---should democracy get taken out of the moth balls and actually count "We The People's" votes, the good old fashioned way--the way they did in 1776 would be good. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 6:28 am
Dandelion - that's the only place where they can train their sense of smell so they can think HRC smells good!
 

Maryann S (111)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 6:09 pm
Thanks for sharing Dandelion.
 

Trish K (29)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 3:57 pm
The Britt's choose their nominee in a week. Here, it's a big game with lot's of money in the pot. To bad we couldn't pool all that money and take care of the people that have relied on them for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and raised them to where they are now. The revolution is coming. It is here already, just planning and energizing, silently.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 6:07 pm
I agree Trish, a disgusting amount of money to end up with two of the worst Candidates that ever ran in either Party.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Tuesday July 12, 2016, 9:35 am
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