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Thousands of California Soldiers Forced to Repay Enlistment Bonuses a Decade After Going to War


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: army, war, enlistment bonus, Iraq, disgusting, debt )

Sheryl
- 995 days ago - latimes.com
Facing enlistment shortfalls and two major wars with no end in sight, the Pentagon began offering the most generous incentives in its history to retain soldiers in the mid-2000s now wants the money back after these soldiers served many sustaining injury.



   

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Peggy B (43)
Saturday October 22, 2016, 7:10 pm
WTH?
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday October 22, 2016, 7:42 pm
That is DISGUSTING!!!
Good grief they can't stoop any lower!!! Can they!!!
This should send a good message to anyone thinking of enlisting!
Don't do it, you'll get screwed in every way possible!!!

 

Joe Legris (4)
Saturday October 22, 2016, 9:48 pm
It shows what a disgrace the US army is. If they do this can they be trusted overseas......????
 

Carol Kocsis (6)
Saturday October 22, 2016, 9:48 pm
Shameful. Wonder who ordered the Pentagon to take this action. Must be someone who hates the military...
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday October 22, 2016, 11:08 pm
I just read an article about this posted by Joanne a while ago. I guess this shows that we simply cannot trust the military. If I were a young person today, I would never sign up. This article gives a lot of examples, and it's hard to believe that the National Guard is doing this. I wonder whose idea this was. I also wonder if enough money is recovered to justify all the expense of the accountants, and all the proceedings needed to extract this money from the people who obviously deserve to keep it.
 

. (0)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 3:56 am
Disgusted.
 

. (0)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 3:59 am
Read Hayleys story for example.
I feel totally betrayed,” said Haley, 47, who served 26 years in the Army along with her husband and oldest son, a medic who lost a leg in combat in Afghanistan.

Haley, who now lives in Kempner, Texas, worries they may have to sell their house to repay the bonuses. “They’ll get their money, but I want those years back,” she said, referring to her six-year reenlistment.
 

. (0)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 4:01 am
I signed a contract that I literally risked my life to fulfill.
— Robert Richmond, former Army sergeant first class
And another!!
 

Arild Warud (174)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 4:40 am
What happened to the soldiers who didn't come back home?Did Pentagon go after their families?
 

Carrie B (306)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 11:56 am
This makes no sense at all. As I said in an earlier post ~ Can the military return time served, time with families lost and all the other things that come with serving?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 12:15 pm
To me this is going once more after easy targets. Rip off millions of dollars and walk away from it, if they pay a fine at all it's peanuts compared to what they got.

Our students, the veterans, the average American barely clinging to a home or rental, they are the easy ones to bleed to death more more and more.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 2:42 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.
I had seen the headline a couple days ago; so glad you put this up....so now I know the specifics. And, it is horrifying. If the gov't was perfectly happy to give them all bonuses, they should be able to keep them. It was not the mistake of the soldiers, after all!
Just when I thought things couldn't get any lower......
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 3:01 pm
If governments are prepared to send citizens to war as cannon fodder, than should also be FULLY responsible for their support afterwards.

Since Trump and Clinton are both in favor of military aggression, this is further confirmation of BOTH their unfitness for Presidency.

Dr. Jill Stein is the only candidate still around who is NOT a war monger.
 

Winn Adams (179)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 3:15 pm
This is crazy!!!
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Sunday October 23, 2016, 3:36 pm
This is despicable. I agree with the comments above. Military service personnel puts their lives on the line and then they have to put with this. This is wrong.
 

Danuta Watola (1251)
Monday October 24, 2016, 4:32 am
noted
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Monday October 24, 2016, 9:52 am
Signed & Noted, Thank you
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Monday October 24, 2016, 9:52 am
Sorry Noted only, Thank you
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Monday October 24, 2016, 11:32 am
Noted, Thanks
 

Janet B (0)
Monday October 24, 2016, 12:26 pm
Thanks
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Monday October 24, 2016, 12:27 pm
Not often I publish something before everyone else does. http://www.care2.com/news/member/101612212/4017308
I just updated the site with a link to the whitehouse.gov petition.
The California National Guard is, of course, State, and the Army is Federal. So they will both certainly try to push responsibility off on the other.
Do note that a class action suit WAS started. Then the veteran who started it received a letter waiving repayment. Then the Government moved to dismiss the suit as "moot." That motion will be ruled on in January.
 

William C (0)
Monday October 24, 2016, 2:13 pm
Thank you.
 

Lenore K (0)
Monday October 24, 2016, 2:38 pm
ok
 

Birgit W (160)
Monday October 24, 2016, 2:58 pm
Shameful!
 

Freya H (344)
Monday October 24, 2016, 3:09 pm
This is an utter outrage! Our gub-mint is ratf---ing the very people who are supposed to be serving its interests. Meanwhile, the fat-cat CEOs of the defense contractors are making money hand over dirty paw. The Pentagon has broken a promise, and worse, probably done it to a lot of people who can't give back these bonuses. I hope this story spreads far and wide. If people are afraid that the military will turn into a false giver, that enlistment bonuses have strings attached, this will discourage many from signing up. What's the old saying? Suppose they gave a war and nobody came.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday October 24, 2016, 3:18 pm
It's part of a bizarre twisted, sick game that the U.S. Military Industrial Complex and Weapons Manufacturers play, and I dare say we don't know all the inns and outs of the surreal, destructive, evil operations they are involved in.

I hope that anyone associated with any of this, OR that Clinton and Trump supporters realize that this package tour of terror and territorial conflicts with innocent human beings, women, children AND animals caught in the crossfire, IS WHAT THEY SUPPORT if they continue to believe in the delusion of the Two Party duopoly.
 

W. C (7)
Monday October 24, 2016, 4:19 pm
Thanks.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday October 24, 2016, 5:38 pm
I most certainly do remember the Kalief Browder case, in fact I posted an article on it while it was happening and then posted an update when he committed suicide. No surprise there after knowing all that took place from a so called theft of a backpack.

Even if he had taken a backpack it should never have led to his being sent to Rikers let alone all that time there and the horrid experiences he went through, as innocent until he was proven guilty. He'd served lots of time before he got a trial. But because he is poor this is what happens, the well to do can rip off people and entire economies but that is okay it seems they are rich, to rich to fail or jail.

Now his poor Mother is gone, never to see any justice served her child, not that there could be any justice to bring him back to her life again. This Prison Industrial Complex started by Nixon under the War on Drugs and continued and made worse under Clinton is a destroyer of families, communities and ultimately our Nation. If you think that voting blue no matter who is going to help this, one should remember this story.

I'm so tired of BOTH Parties bringing this Nation down a rat hole and yet people will vote Trump or Hillary and it goes on election cycle after election cycle and yet people complain then vote in the same ones who will keep this mess going.

Sorry, I didn't see your story concerning the Veterans, but as you post via Politics Plus the C2 doesn't inform me that it is already posted. Not to mention I'm not on C2 as much due to the fact I'm home schooling now. Another mess, our educational system, that BOTH Parties seem to do little about fixing. Bush with the No Child Left Behind and Obama with the Race to The Top, catchy names like the Patriot Act, but all of it isn't what it appears to be. Punishment and tighten the noose around our necks - yup just keep voting them in and expecting a different result......it isn't going to happen.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday October 24, 2016, 5:39 pm
Sorry, this was suppose to go on Joanne's post, my last comment.
 

Mitchell D (82)
Monday October 24, 2016, 6:16 pm
This is obscene!
 

Colleen L (3)
Monday October 24, 2016, 9:07 pm
They were paid for staying and serving and even jeopardizing their lives. For anyone to even ask them to repay back is disgraceful of our government. Sure amazes me how much guts our government has when it comes to people owing them something, they want it now. When we need or want something they can let us do without and suffer. So I feel they can take a hike on their thoughts about being paid back. ...They can write it off or whatever they do when they screw up. Thanks Dandelion
 

Trish K (29)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 5:20 am
Send a petition to Koch Industries to reimburse these veterans who defend them all over the world. They have limitless resources and cash and would be happy to pay the whole bill - if they expect to get good service from trained american soldiers. If no one pays them what they are owed it could cost large corporations more than they can afford to loose. It is their interest our soldiers are protecting. Doesn't everybody know ? and remember the do nothing congress does as Koch tells them.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 6:16 am
Good point Trish.

We can write off the too big to fail banks so certainly this could also be forgiven. These soldiers went in and did their job can't so so much for that "do nothing" Congress.
 

Roberta Z (16)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 9:23 am
If they're trying to promote patriotism, this sure isn't going to work. They should get rid of those at the top who allowed this mistake to occur and leave the soldiers alone.
 

Mandi T (367)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 12:44 pm
Disgraceful !!!
 

Joy T (443)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 2:32 pm
Petition on Change.org:
https://www.change.org/p/stop-army-from-taking-back-signing-bonuses-10-years-later-after-vets-completed-contracts?recruiter=488666286&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_for_starters_page&utm_term=des-lg-notification-no_msg&fb_ref=Default
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 2:45 pm
Stop Army from stealing back signing bonuses 10 years later, after vets completed contracts.
71,818 supporters
3,182 needed to reach 75,000
Signed and shared over social media
 

Dot A (180)
Tuesday October 25, 2016, 4:49 pm
There is absolutely no justifiable reason to take back money that was offered in trust for military duty preformed. No justifiable reason, only greed and a false sense of entitlement.
* Thanks Darren - Signed * The link works fine!

You signed “Stop Army from taking back signing bonuses 10 years later, after vets completed contracts.”
 

Animae C (508)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 5:21 am
Petition so signed!
80,891 supporters

TY Joy
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 8:47 am
Stop Army from stealing back signing bonuses 10 years later, after vets completed contracts.
83,256 supporters
66,744 needed to reach 150,000
Reshared petition over social media,
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 10:21 am
You signed “Stop Army from taking back signing bonuses 10 years later, after vets completed contracts.”

Thanks Joy for finding that petition and Darren for hyperlinking it.

I don't suppose Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton who are so eager to "support" the troops and push them into another military misadventure would consider paying these debts for these soldiers or at least using their political might to get this so called debt removed out of these men and women's lives?
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 1:29 pm
Change dot org petition signed. As of 10/26 the Secretary of Defense has called a moratorium on these collections. That's not enough, but it is a start.
 

Denise D (31)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 2:33 pm
Thanks for posting a link to change.org's petition, Darren! I signed, of course!
 

Animae C (508)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 5:14 pm
Update: The Pentagon is no longer recollecting reenlistment bonuses

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=17510#newsletter1
 

Animae C (508)
Wednesday October 26, 2016, 5:20 pm
Watch the awesome vid at the above link!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday October 27, 2016, 12:29 pm
Let us keep pushing so they don't start collecting again.
 

Animae C (508)
Thursday October 27, 2016, 2:32 pm
PETITION;
Stop Forcing California National Guard Soldiers to repay their enlistment bonuses

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/842/217/784/stop-forcing-california-national-guard-soldiers-to-repay-their-enlistment-bonuses/
 

Animae C (508)
Thursday October 27, 2016, 2:41 pm
PETITION;
Do Not Let the Government Take Bonuses From Veterans

http://www.care2.com/news/member/799613053/4018051
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday October 28, 2016, 12:29 am
Reshared the Real News footage over social media.

Hyperlinks the petitions for ease of access/signature/sharing!
Stop Army from stealing back signing bonuses 10 years later, after vets completed contracts..
89,199 supporters
60,801 needed to reach 150,000
Reshared petition over social media,

Stop Forcing California National Guard Soldiers to repay their enlistment bonuses
12,241 SUPPORTERS
13,000 GOAL
 
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