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Poisoning Paradise - Ecocide New Zealand


Environment  (tags: animals, ecosystems, environment, forests, government, habitat, habitatdestruction, nature, pollution, wildlife, science, poison, birds, deer, rivers, stock, pets, insects, 1080 poison, ecocide, New Zealand )

Cristina
- 2933 days ago - cultureunplugged.com
Every year, New Zealand drops huge quantities of poison-laced food into its forest ecosystems; enough poison to kill its human population 4 times over, every year. No country has ever done anything remotely similar, on such a scale...



   

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chris b (2474)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:26 am
Thus proving the existence of nutters even in the paradise that should be New Zealand! Such lunatic irresponsibility with a deadly poison is only capped by the US authorities using cyanide based animal controls that also affect pets livestock and humans as anything is like to trigger the mined poisons and send them all of who or whatever triggered them! There must be an equal shortage of mental health provision in New Zealand as there is in the US, SA and many other places that do such stupid things!
 

Sue Matheson (79)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:28 am
noted
 

Danuta W (1251)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:37 am
noted
 

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:58 am
I guess this started to control the rapid extinction of native animals due to the predation of the introduce animals.
A lot of species have been saved from total extinction by this practice. If they can't burn the bodies then they should stop doing this.
It would have been best not to introduce foreign animals, but then people wanted to recreate England and they had no knowledge of what they were doing.
It is terrible that animals are being poisoned, but what can one advise the NZ government to do?
 

Robert S (111)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 7:10 am
I sent this Documentary to someone I know who works/worked (not sure at this point) for 60 minutes N.Z.. and another old friend there. I hope they are as revolted, outraged and sad as I, and do something.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:35 am
Cristina, this is one of te best, most informative, well rounded documentarys I have seen in so long!!!
This is AN ACTION ALERT FOR GLOBAL RESPONSE AND PRESSURE TO STOP AEIRAL 1080, FOREVER IN NEW ZEALAND AND BAN ITS USE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!!!
WE NEED MASSIVE PETITIONS FOR THIS ISSUE, PLEASE!!! Thankyou!!
I will be forwarding and asking everyone to take the time to watch and forward on!!! (just incredable!!..and a danger here in the USA as well!!!)
 

Animal Whispere Caswell (154)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:38 am
This is not the way!!! For goodness sake, how could anyone ever think it could be?!!!! Anything that wilfully harms animals is an absolute NO NO!!!!! Rosi Caswell Animal Whisperer Therapist
 

Michela M (3964)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:59 am
Noted!! michela
 

Jill V (416)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 9:35 am
This is terrible!
thanks Cristina...
 

william Miller (112)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 9:36 am
The stupid things man does to try and fix their mistakes. we need a total ban of moving wild life forms from one contentant to another. with stiff fines. this would include accidentally doing it as well as for reasurch or show.
 

FulviaAway M (314)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 9:55 am
It's crazy!!! Cannot believe it! Thanks for posting, Cristina!
 

Lyne F (93)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 9:56 am
Absolutely outrageous. I was not at all aware of this situation in New Zealand, nor had I any knowledge of the poison itself. How can a country with an Green image throw poison, and SO MUCH of it, in its rural areas? Petition/boycott of tourism/letters, etc. needed. We must stand with the people of New Zealand in requiring the complete cessation of the use of this devastating toxin. The NZ government's actions are criminal, plain and simple.
 

Jen S (121)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:13 am
I'll watch the film later today but have forwarded it to my friends in NZ. What an utter lack of sanity!
 

Lisa N (202)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:28 am
Noted, And I will take time to watch this documentary.Thanks Christina & Shelly for sharing!
 

Eileen Novak (444)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:35 am
Is there some perverse competition going on to be the most eco-cidal nation ruining the planet?
 

Roxana Cortijo (171)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:56 am
Will watch it later. Just noted for now.
 

Alicia V (181)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:56 am
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Completely outrageous! It is crazy. people are out of their hearts, what is happening to them?
Who are they to play with beings' lives? I'm in shock after this. This is delinquency to the highest degree, they must stop this poisoning now. BAN THIS POISONING OR ANY!! Cruelty to the max.
 

Elizabeth P (99)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 11:04 am
This is so bad, Its hard to believe people let this happen, If people dont start doing some thing about this. Nexed they will be dumping the poison in neighbor.
 

Alicia V (181)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 11:31 am
Horrible!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 11:45 am
thanks, noted, very long but glad I watch it, Hard to believe with NZ reputation.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 12:49 pm
The whole world seems to have lost its senses, very disappointing coming from New Zealand. I must see if my sister, brother-in-law and niece living in Auckland have any idea about this.
 

Merike Lillenberg (52)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 1:11 pm
OMG! Thank you for posting! It´s unbelievable! I thought, the government of New Zealand consists of smart and educated people. I thought New Zealand is a developed country. A "humane" poison? No one animal must die such way - no rats, neither possums! I don´t know, what is the solution here, but this action is wrong without a doubt. Why not to use cats against rats? Don´t they have enough cats there? The stray cats are killed in shelters everywhere in the world, they could live and work there in New Zealand.
 

Clyde G. (1)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 1:13 pm
Thanks for loading this film link, Care2. This was mine and my brother's second film on this subject. Our first effort, A Shadow of Doubt (2007), took a soft look at the issue. It was basically laughed at by the users of 1080, so Poisoning Paradise was produced. I am currently advocating an international, credible, scientific review of the use of aerial 1080 poison in New Zealand, be initiated, ASAP. For up-to-date information on this issue, please visit our blog thegrafboys.blogspot.com
 

Robert B (55)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 1:53 pm
Stuff like this does not go on unless someone is making big bucks somewhere along the line. The greed of some people drives them to do anything! These people need to be stopped with common sense regulations that will be enforced. This earth needs to shake itself free of the incompetent and corrupt officials. Their power has to be taken away. To do this nearly EVERYONE needs to get informed, involved and vote!
 

Robert S (111)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 2:24 pm
Little Mermaid, I'm not an expert on NZ, but given the flightless birds they are trying to protect (albeit in a stupid, horrible way), the last thing I think they need is cats. I wonder how many here know how many birds are killed every day by well fed "kitties" allowed to roam free and kill for sport by instinct, not to mention feral cats who hunt for food.
 

Stelizan L (258)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 2:45 pm
Thanks for getting the word out, Clyde and everyone! Disgusting NZ!! Just proves the point we have to be alert to ill deeds like this to eliminate it from the planet!!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 3:09 pm
Horrific! Thank you for posting Christina.
 

MarietteAWAY G (175)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 3:11 pm
Noted. Thanks Cristina! I will watch it later when I have enough time. Thanks Shelly for this forward.
 

Terry King (113)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 3:24 pm
I could only watch a few minutes of the video,,, Horrific and shameful!
 

Rosie Lopez (73)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 3:40 pm
insaine!!
 

Jeanne W (55)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:18 pm
Have they all gone mad? Thanks Shelly/christina...
 

Beth M (46)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:21 pm
perhaps it would be better all round if some sort of social education on the issue was offered...?..ask for ones citizens help?..Here in australia I dont have cats anymore..they killed too many birds and lizards..just for the sport. So for a win win situ..tell ones people they cant have cats if they wanna protect what they have now. Lots and lots of education at a grass roots level..lots of activists on boards, lots of animal lovers on board..lots of poison haters on board..We bitch and cry when our indiginous animals die..yet what part do we play in the cause? Mass poisonings is an attrocity..and there are better ways. Start now...and reap the benefits later...early intervention...protects species and water and land and peoples....loud noises needed...thanks..and shall forward onwards..x..Oh and remember ..if we dont buy it...they wont make it....x
 

Al C (7)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:34 pm
This IS sad...
 

Constance F (418)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:51 pm
No, I am not watching. I know. I have seen so much horror commited upon wildlife and the environment to fill up several lifetimes. Thank you for posting and getting this out. It's a real effort to forgive the human race and love mankind. I am working on it.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 5:41 pm
OMG.......
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 5:44 pm
I am truly shocked at this. Noted, thanks Cristina.
 

Eternal G (734)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:13 pm
11 years ago, we went to NZ on holiday (still living in Holland at the time) and had to shorten it, purely because of NZ's atrocious attitude towards animals (espec. brushtail possums, whom they themselves had introduced) and spent the remaining holiday(s) in much more exotic, lively,animal friendly and benign Australia (loved it so much we've decided to live in Oz!).
All the days spent in NZ were overshadowed by all the roadkill, lost track of the numbers we had to tear of the roads to prevent birds of prey becoming roadkill as well, it was tremendously stressful! The predominantly white Anglo-Saxon NZ-ers found our distress about this quite amusing???
How they are going about this is just totally irresponsible and can only hope they'll wake up soon and change the way they are dealing with this!
 

Janice M. (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:33 pm
Outrageous,all DoC employees associated with the 1080 poison progam should be incarcerated for crimes against humanity(this poison progamme is affecting all of us in one way or another) and extreme cruelety to animals.Where is the S.P.C.A when we need them?
 

Star S. (54)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 6:37 pm
NOTED- See that the green images that some countries are anxious to promote, are not so perfect at all. It is scary to see how such dangerous practices are taking plac e and are well hidden to the public eye.
 

SAM LOVES PETER H (143)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 7:28 pm
SIGNED & NOTED.
THANX.
 

Monica D (580)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 7:39 pm
As Alexandra noted above, it is either this or the rapid extinction of New Zealand's native wildlife. It is a horrible choice to have to make.
 

JM AURNAGUE (176)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 7:57 pm
OH MY GOODNESS, IT HAS TO BE STOPPED!! WHY AREN'T THEY THINKING?
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:10 pm
Oh GOD!
 

Michael Carney (217)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:34 pm
Noted, thanks for the forward Shelly...I will make the time to watch this soon...
 

Susanne R (236)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 8:52 pm
It was shocking to learn that New Zealand uses 90 per cent of the world's 1080 --while many other countries ban its use. I don't blame NZ for wanting to save its native wildlife from extinctiion, but there has to be a more effective and more humane way to do it.
 

Kim O (396)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:00 pm
One of the worst ways for anything to die. So disgusting on New Zealand!! Thanks Cristina!
 

Joan for Peace (413)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:19 pm
people, not you guys, those people out there that care nothing for the lives of others, feel the world is theres alone to do what they want. selfish. im ready for some good news.
 

as s (201)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:48 pm
Pissed oFF is what I feel! Noted
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 11:42 pm
The more I see of mankind the more we make me sick.
 

Farah H (154)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 4:57 am
noted, thank you
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 6:13 am
this is just so disgusting.why are jackasses in power,
Someone must resign immediately ,this is an outrage.
 

Nicole W (646)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 6:38 am
I am ashamed to be a human for reasons such as this.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 6:56 am
HELLO EVERYBODY!!! ...Cristina has found 2 petitions and I found another 1 last night, to ban 1080 compound period and stop it's use in New Zealand!............(need help from you computer savy people to post as "Hotlinks" for ease of signing!)...we are working to get these posted and to be sent as forwards!...contact Cristina or myself if you can help!!...or leave a comment here, please!!

Oh!! and Clyde G. up above is one of the brothers we all have to thank for the documentary and Cristina for posting!! Please send both of them green stars!! Thankyou!!!
 

Patricia G (110)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 7:58 am
oh...
 

. (0)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 9:23 am
Noted. Thank you, Graf brothers for the enlightening documentary. Thank you Cristina and Lyne F for sharing.
New Zealand's govt and the US manufacturer of 1080 have their hands stained with innocent blood! NZ's govt needs to be held accountable for the mass destruction of their land's precious flora and fauna!

I remember signing one or two petition(s) seeking the ban of this vile poison ,some time back.Hopefully,1080 will be banned,just like Agent Orange!

 

Barry AWAY T (936)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 10:24 am
more lunacy in a world gone mad
 

Dawn Mason (40)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 11:13 am
This is horribe!!
 

Dawn Mason (40)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 11:14 am
Very horrible and sad!!
 

T. A. H (39)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 11:25 am
This is very surprising for those of us not living in NZ -- the public perception is that NZ is a garden of Eden, with some of the strongest environmental laws in the world. Eye-opening! Thanks so much for posting.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 12:31 pm
Ghastly.
 

Annick Letourneau (67)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 12:52 pm
Very sad...
Thanks x
 

Ruth C (87)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 5:46 pm
Humans are the only Creature on this big melting pot we call Earth that Abuse and Kill!!

Whoever does not have compassion for another being, God will not have compassion for them!
 

Shirley S (187)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 7:11 pm
How GHASTLY! Have forwarded to a N Z friend.
 

Mary T (178)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 9:48 pm
Truly disgusting I believe the whole world has gone mad.
 

Genoveva M (328)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 11:10 pm
I didn't watch the video, years ago I saw videos like this one and never recover from the horror. Hard to believe the things humans are capable to do to living beings, nobody attempt against the life of animals with that much disregard for living, without being capable of doing the same to their own specie. I feel deeply sad for these poor animals, their end must be horrible. All my hopes for Karma to take over these monsters.
 

Genoveva M (328)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 11:13 pm
Sorry thank you so much Cristina for putting out this article. Posted in Facebook and Twitter.
 

Robert S (38)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 4:32 am
Oh my god, you people are so stupid and naive. Don't have a clue... This is a propaganda film from the hunting fraternity. 1080 is NZ's saviour: http://www.pce.parliament.nz/media/media-releases/1080-must-not-be-banned-environment-commissioner/
 

Jay L (0)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 5:28 am
I know many of you are well intentioned, but as someone who works within the conservation field in New Zealand I, along with my colleagues, leading NGO's, and the Department of Conservation all support the use of 1080 to help preserve forests and to prevent predators killing the chicks and adults of our native birds, as well as native insects and lizards. One key thing you have to understand is New Zealand doesn't have native land mammals, unlike the majority of the rest of the countries in the world. Introduced mammals, like possums, rats and stoats kill millions of native birds each year. Deer and pigs cause extensive damage to our native forests. This means we are in a unique position to use 1080 to control these mammals without causing harm to our native bird populations. The Grafs are hunters and their main objection to 1080 is that it kills deer and pigs so there are less of them to shoot. Their documentary is widely discredited amongst the people and organisations who actually work to save our native species. Please educate yourselves on both sides of the argument before jumping to conclusions about how New Zealand uses 1080. Remember being eaten alive by a possum or stoat isn't exactly a humane death either for our native birds like kiwi or kaka. Get some perspective. www.1080facts.co.nz
 

Ritva J (115)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 9:54 am
Unbelievable! :(
 

Nancy C (806)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 11:27 am
manufactured by the USA...something made here; how about that
 

Clyde G. (1)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 12:43 pm
Referring to the comments above, supporting 1080 - The propaganda comes from those who use the 1080. It's true, I used to be a hunter, as is clearly pointed out in the film, however, I haven't killed an animal in over 4 years. The film Poisoning Paradise is 100% defensible. 1080 doesn't only kill mammals - as if it's ok to kill any animal with this poison, it kills everything that eats it - including the native birds that it's meant to protect. There isn't a single credible scientific study that shows a net population benefit to a single native species through the use of this inhumane poison, and yet this stuff is continually dumped across our forests, annually. 10's of thousands of animals and birds, insects, and even frogs and lizards, are killed every year. It's dropped directly into all waterways in size of up to 3 metres. 1080 not only kills the animal that eats it, it kills whatever feeds on the carcasses that are left to rot in the forests, be that a bird, insect or another animal - or even someone's pet. We are advocating for a credible, international, scientific investigation into its use. We need all the help we can get.
 

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 2:32 pm
"We are advocating for a credible, international, scientific investigation into its use."

That seems a reasonable request/goal, coming from ANYONE, given the toxicity of the agent being used. From what I see as credible evidence, this poison causes a horrible lingering death...and not just to the "intended" victims.

I understand that possoms etc., have caused and are causing damage, and I qoute a learned and respected friend from NZ, to whom I send this story...

"yes it's a big debate here. Unfortunately possums have caused unbelievable damage to this country and they don't know how to get rid of them without poisons.... trapping doesn't get enough of them...but still.......

The "but still", I think is a response to the obvious price in misery/suffering being caused by use of this poison, much of it collateral. The collateral aspect should be obvious to any who do not think things happen in a vacuum.

Jay, L.,
"Remember being eaten alive by a possum or stoat isn't exactly a humane death either for our native birds like kiwi or kaka."

Well then....We must stop all creatures from eating each other and demand they all be veggies, :), that is if you haven't poisoned all the veggies by then in your devils bargain to keep things as they are/were...at any cost.

To the Other Robert S....who says...

"Oh my god, you people are so stupid and naive. Don't have a clue... This is a propaganda film from the hunting fraternity. 1080 is NZ's saviour:

Stupid, and naive both? Oh my....

Agent Orange had its defenders too, and had obvious advantages to its use along with the horrible ones. None of its "advantages" made it a good thing to do or a good answer to a problem, but someone made allot of money selling it as the answer. It looks like your sold...and will reap the whirlwind, in the aftermath of of your own particular form of naivety.
 

Raquel M (15)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 9:01 pm
To Jay L,

I don't trust somebody that opens an account to leave a message and then disappears. Clearly the DOC signs your weekly cheque. No animal has caused more harm to NZ's flora and fauna than humans, yet I don't see you dropping 1080 in Parnell and Miramar. So zip it!

Unless 1080 is a very selective poison by its own or NZ birds mutated so they're immune to the poison, you obviously are killing native birds. We have seen the images, and they were not photoshopped. You poison the rivers as well, do native birds don't drink water? I'm amazed not only by the stupidity of the DOC but by its hypocrisy. Remember when you wanted to exterminate a colony of wekas near Haasting? Or what about the wekas that you actually killed near Stewart Island? And lets add the stupidity of a DOC worker that shot a rare takahe. I suggest the DOC drops the C for conservation and repalce it with an A for ANNIHILATION.

 

Jay L (0)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 11:19 pm
Raquel, please don't make personal attacks. It's not constructive. I have been working all day, so I can't respond instantly to any point you raise. Also I don't work for DoC, never have. I have collaborated with them from time to time through my work and they are a group of passionate and dedicated people, most of whom work really hard to protect wildlife, natural habitats and all those areas we love to swim, tramp, camp and hunt in. I also grew up in an area that had 1080 drops for conservation reasons and it had great benefits for the bush there. Our farm dogs were kept muzzled, like all responsible pet owners should do if they live in these areas, and we were rewarded with a much healthier forest.

I recognise people are entitled to an opinion but basing your beliefs on a very one sided, unscientific and emotive documentary is dangerous. If you read all the science with an objective mind set, look at both sides of the argument and then form your opinion on 1080 then at least it's well researched and educated choice.

DoC has never covered up that some native birds have proven more vulnerable to 1080 than others, such as Kea, but they have responded to this by researching how to minimise these risks while still providing protection from introduced pests. After the widely known kea deaths, research identified that keas were more interested in a particular type of bait and changes were made to the baits used. Twenty three kea have been monitored at two 1080 operations using a different type of bait that biodegraded faster and weren't so appealing to the curious kea and none died. That is how things should work, identify a problem and find a solution whilst still achieving the purpose of pest control. Birds do die of natural causes as well, particularly in winter when 1080 drops occur, when they are wet and cold. A picture of a dead bird doesn't prove 1080 poisoning, testing does.

In regards to the 'poisoned water' claim, the maximum amount of 1080 residue allowed in drinking water by the Ministry of Health’s is 2.0 ppb. This level has never been found in water tested immediately after 1080 operations as 1080 is highly soluble. An average person would have to drink 60,0000 litres of water to die of 1080 poisoning at the 2.0ppb level. Over 2000 water samples have been tested after 1080 operations. 96.5% had no detectable 1080. 6 were equal to, or above the Ministry of Health level for drinking water and none of these came from drinking water supplies. So no, it is incredibly unlikely death will occur from drinking water after a 1080 drop unless you are incredibly thirsty and can consume 60,000 litres in a sitting.

Sorry I don't have room to provide all the references in text though happy to if you want to find out more. www.1080facts.co.nz is a good place to start if you are new to the idea of 1080 and conservation and want to make an informed choice about it.

Robert S - Wouldn't it would be great if we could train stoats, possums and rats to be vegetarians and only eat weedy species. Unfortunately I don't think that is very likely! We do use other methods, such as ground trapping and baiting, over most of our conservation estate. 1080 is only used in a very small area but is an essential tool.
There have been two independent parliamentary enquiries into 1080 use in New Zealand by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment and both came out in favour of 1080 use as part of our pest control in New Zealand. You can check the one from this year out here if you want to know more about that investigation http://www.pce.parliament.nz/publications/all-publications/evaluating-the-use-of-1080-predators-poisons-and-silent-forests.

Let's make this an equal opportunity forum where both sides can put forward their arguments without personal attack and unsubstantiated claims. Let people make an informed choice.
 

Clyde G. (1)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 11:54 pm
New Zealand aerially drops 1080 across extensive areas of its forests, laced in attractive food. Over 600,000 hectares (Over 1.3 million acres) per year. At least 1/3 of our forested areas have now been applied with this toxin, and the drops are increasing. New Zealand is a small country, yet we use over 90% of the world supply of this super toxin.

We have filmed poison drop zones all across New Zealand. From our observations, every forest that has been aerially applied with 1080 is doing a lot worse than the areas that have never been poisoned. Some forests are being re-dropped every 2 years! Science shows that rats increase in numbers after the drops, as they are the fastest breeders. The stoat populations follow the rats.

1080 is a deadly poison, it is NOT meant to be dropped anywhere near water! And yet, in New Zealand, it's dropped directly into the waterways! Our endemic freshwater crayfish love to eat the baits, as do so many other species - after all, it's in the form of an attractive cereal food, or in carrot form.

Before the poisonous food is dropped, a process called pre-feeding takes place. This is where the food, in cereal form or carrot form, without poison, is dropped into the forests, a week or so before the poison, to encourage the animals and birds to eat it. This gets the trust of the wildlife, and achieves greater kills of all species.

A growing number of scientists are exposing the truth on the research that is used to support this bureaucratically driven industry. They have found the studies to be of poor design, mis-represented, based on anecdotes, and clearly shows ecosystem harm. This aerial 1080 poisoning practice is a joke - It is unnecessary, it is destroying our native wildlife, it is contaminating our forests, it is unethical, and it is cruel, on a massive scale.
 

Cristina M (137)
Friday July 8, 2011, 6:07 am
Jay L you are biased, I don't see a constructive argument here, just you defending the poisoning of forests in New Zealand, you make no mention of the cons of 1080. DOC has been dropping 1080 for years and besides killing all kind of animals, it has done nothing to erradicate pests, that's why they keep using it in such quantities. It's not very clever to do the same thing expecting different results. I think it's insane to poison the land you pretend to protect, we're talking here about dangerous substances, there's a reason why 1080 is banned in many countries. I checked the websites you suggest and they're pro 1080 with no mention of all the arguments and grups opposing its use. First you say 1080 causes no harm to native birds, then you do accept it has killed keas, posion is lethal to all animals, including endemic birds.
You ask not to make personal attacks yet you mocked Robert S' comments, so please do as you asked.
As for scientific facts, you will always find science that supports all arguments, even supporting the poisoning of forests and causing a painful death to thousands of animals, including native birds.
 

Cristina M (137)
Friday July 8, 2011, 6:21 am
And what about the people in Westland that for decades have been protesting against the use of 1080 and for decades have been ignored? Even local MPs are now questioning its use.
 

Robert S (111)
Friday July 8, 2011, 7:16 am
Cristina,

Jays had only proven by his response to my comment, that he is unable to grasp irony. Sad...as I must now keep it simple for him, or risk his "misunderstanding".

Great thoughtful comments and fact based arguments and points Cristina and Clyde. As I mentioned before, some will always argue for the use of "Agent Orange"....

For Jay...the quotes mean I am not speaking literally of the substance within, but using Agent Orange, figuratively to illustrate a point. I'll try and keep you notified of any nuance you might find confusing as we go along. :)







 

Jaime Torquemada (25)
Friday July 8, 2011, 1:45 pm
Sad but true !
 

Kathy White (0)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 12:14 am
Anyone who knows the Graf Boys knows that they've been making anti-1080 documentaries, and speaking in any forum they can for no financial gain for years. Clyde hunts with a camera. Check out his blog on www.thegrafboys.blogspot.com to get a better idea of this commitment. The reviews and reports that are done in New Zealand are based on information provided by the DoC, regional councils and the Animal Health Board. It's an entrenched practice. There's also now a lot of money involved in the process. Those whose animals are killed by the poison have to pay more than $500 per animal to prove they were poisoned by 1080 and the process is far from reliable. If they prove 1080 killed their animal, they have to negotiate for compensation which is normally less than the test fee. No wonder people don't report it. Then the parliamentary commissioner for the environment has the gall to announce on TV that only 8 dogs have been reported as killed by 1080 in 4 years. The minister of conservation announced in parliament that compensation had only been paid for one dog on the Coromandel Peninsula. Look at the Stop 1080 Facebook site and read people's stories about their own experiences with 1080 for the truth. New Zealand conservationists have convinced themselves and the government that aerial drops of 1080 poison are the last resort for saving native animals from predators. The sad truth is that 1080 is directly and indirectly, lethally and sub-lethally poisoning so many untargeted animals, that it is a disgrace. It is unethical to use such an untargeted method of pest control, while attempting to target 3 pests.
 

Cristina M (137)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 12:17 pm
Robert,
I'm with you and I think what you say about Agent Orange illustrates very clear your point but I guess that if someone can rationalize that poisoning the environment is beneficial and that science and the government that does the dropping of 1080 have proven it, well, that person easily misses the irony of your comments and the truth as well.

Kathy,
Thanks for suggesting the Facebook site, I'll check it. I'm sure the government makes it hard for people to prove their animals were killed by 1080, it's bad propaganda, it's better for them to cover up the deaths. So true, it's unethical and a disgrace.

The Graf Boys are doing such a great job exposing such heinous practice that brings shame to New Zealand. Well done boys!
 

MmAway M (520)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 5:54 pm
Cristina...thank you for this, I will return, my laptop got hot and shut down so I sadly could only see the beginning, but that words were enough for me to CRY out in PAIN!

Shelly, thank you for this forward, I will certainly take a peek when my little laptop is not worn out... Sorry I can not send you a star, but got one to Cristina for this!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 6:35 pm
Awesome!!! I have just checked back in to see what is going on! ..(Marilyn,Mm stars to you and everyone!!).....The last half hour is a "homerun" of information and truth and for people such as myself,... I love the whole thing and the intelligence, academic to all presentation!! ...JUST OUTSTANDING!!...the point is :
A.)THIS POISON =ECOCIDE OF ALL.........1080 is it's name.
B.) CORRUPT POLITITONS AND a "handfull" of backers, manufacturer it in the USA, (MY COUNTRY, RIGHT NEXT TO A FLOOD PLAIN, IN A HOUSE.........IN A HOUSE!!!!!.....CRACK WHORES UNITE AND FORM A UNION AND JOIN IN THE MANUFACTURING OF 1080......JUST UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
C.) GLOBAL, MASSIVE , PETITONS , NOW NOT LATER!!!.....TO THE USA TO SHUT THIS DOWN NOW AND TO NEW ZEALAND TO STOP ITS USE!!!

 

Anna W. (0)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 7:14 pm
Oh my gosh!!! I'm SO sad to see this emotive and incredibly one sided documentary. Please please please bare in mind that this is one side of the story presented by a film maker, not an ecologist, and does NOT give a full and balanced review of the literature!!!

For a slightly more objective report please see:
http://www.pce.parliament.nz/assets/Uploads/PCE-1080.pdf
 

Clyde G. (1)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 8:48 pm
Anna W, you don't have to be an ecologist to present the truth. The public that live around these drop zones are tried of having their water supplies poisoned, their pets and livestock poisoned. They are tired of being bullied by the bureaucrats that push these poison drops.

The "literature" is produced by the industry that uses 1080! The "literature is unreliable". A growing number of scientists that are not involved in the funding chain, and that have used their own precious time, have analysed that literature are disgusted at the quality of the research, the bias of the research, and the obvious mis-representation of the research. Check this post out about the PCE report, for starters ... http://thegrafboys.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-research-paper-indicates-pce-report.html and click on the links to read credible scientists reviews.

The PCE report is nothing more than a rubber stamp job, designed to direct the growing number of concerned people away from this issue. It hasn't worked! It's time to stop this atrocity - because that's what it is - an atrocity!
 

Raquel M (15)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 10:13 pm
After reading Jay's comments I'm starting to think Robert's idea is not that bad. After all, New Zealand seems to be this wacky land where poisoning the environment is beneficial and native birds learned to say NO to 1080 and YES to healthy organic poison-free food (except for those Keas that didn't get the memo and insisted on dying by ingesting the 1080. You can never trust a Kea to do the right thing!) So in this Twilight Zone country I guess the DOC can turn possums and rats into vegetarianism. :-)

So what's next Jay, you're going to enlighten us with some scientific facts on the benefits of using DDT?

I love when people criticize the documentary for being one sided and then suggest to check the reports and websites supported by the government that uses 1080. Very very unbiased and objective.
 

Anna W. (0)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 10:24 pm
Hi Clyde W

I’m sure even you must be able to admit that a subjective documentary like this one is presents a particular opinion rather than “the truth”?

It is helpful to have a degree of ecological understanding to be able to present the evidence accurately.

It’s interesting that the literature you claim to be unreliable is in fact the literature that you have quoted all the way through your video to support your particular opinion. It’s also interesting that the post you have linked appears to be a googledoc. I can’t see any evidence of its publication in any credible journals or any evidence of it having undergone any formal peer review process. Anyone can put together an opinion piece as anyone can describe something as an atrocity. This does not make it so.

I’m not sure that I understand your reasoning that the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment report is designed to direct a number of concerned people away from the issue. Surely during a time of recession the government would be thankful to stop spending money on 1080 if there was any clear evidence that it was not the appropriate control method for pest animals in NZ?
 

Clyde G. (1)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 11:26 pm
Anna, Poisoning Paradise is a compilation of facts. Yes, we do quote the factual evidence from scientific papers that are funded by those that push 1080 use in New Zealand. These papers do actually include some facts. Have you read the scientific papers that support 1080, Anna? They are filled with guess-work, estimates, and probabilities. Many have no controls, most have no replication, no blinding. There still isn't a single, credible scientific paper that demonstrates a net population benefit to any native species through its use - and yet this practice continues.

It's not difficult to assess - New Zealand drops an attractive, poison laced food, in quantities that EVERY living creature in that ecosystem is exposed to while feeding. The poison kills everything that eats it. The poison causes secondary poisoning in everything that feeds on what dies - lethally or sub-lethally. There is no antidote. The WHO describes 1080 as extremely hazardous - What don't you get?

We need a credible, international, independent SCIENTIFIC investigation, NOW.
We need help, our wildlife needs help, and if it has to come from outside New Zealand, we'd be grateful.
 

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 11:31 pm
Well said Clyde
 

Anna W. (0)
Sunday July 10, 2011, 1:41 am
Well said ... really? In one sentence Clyde claims that the scientific papers he quotes "do actually include some facts" and in the next claims that they are "filled with with guess-work, estimates and probabilities". There seem to be contradictions at every turn …

There is “credible, international, independent SCIENTIFIC investigation” going on NOW, it has been going on for years! What do you think the NGO Landcare Research does in conjunction with international research organisations such as Cambridge University (UK)?!

It’s awesome that you’re obviously passionate about this subject Clyde, but it’s also important to note that highly regarded conservation organisations such as Forest and Bird http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/ and the Department of Conservation http://www.doc.govt.nz/ are pro 1080 for good reason. It would be great if we could phase out the use of poisons around the world altogether, but, at present there is no feasible alternative available for the control of possums and rats in back country NZ. If we don’t use 1080 we WILL lose many of our endemic species forever!!! Please stop spreading propaganda and if you really care about NZ’s wildlife it would be more effective to put your energy into pro conservation docos rather than anti 1080 propaganda!
 

Robert S (111)
Sunday July 10, 2011, 9:06 am


pro 1080 for good reason

Apparently Anna, you see no contradiction between caring for the environment and spreading massive amounts of toxin around in it. The lengths you are willing to go, in saving one by horribly poisoning others is, it seems to me, fanatical and irresponsible to the point of criminal eco-sociopathic Lunacy in an attempt to play so called God, as giver and taker of life through chemistry. I think it outrageous, even if...well meaning...as you seem to think it is. Good luck NZ. Looks like you've got a rat on your foot and your gonna keep on shooting it with a shotgun till your good and sure its dead. Smart.
 

Clyde G. (1)
Sunday July 10, 2011, 7:18 pm
The funny thing is, I think we all want the same thing - to ensure our wildlife is preserved.
For those of us opposed to the aerial spread of 1080 poison, however, we consider every individual, in every native species, precious.

I do not accept that it is ok to kill 10% of Fernbird per drop, or 55% of Robins per drop, or 40% of Kea per drop, or 60% of Owls per drop, in the name of the greater good.

If we are going to interfere with nature, we must do it in a careful, targeted and responsible way - if we are going to target a pest, we target it individually, and as humanely as possible. We DO NOT allow large numbers of our native species to be killed while targeting a "pest". I believe that this is important, if we are going to call ourselves civilised.
 

Anna W. (0)
Monday July 11, 2011, 3:03 am
Hi Robert,

Of course i see the contradiction between caring for the environment and using poisons. I wish we didn’t have to use poisons of any sort. But, at this present point in time there is no other effective means of controlling possums in back country NZ and protecting our native wildlife. I assume from reading your comments that this is the first time you have been made aware of the 1080 debate in NZ. I would suggest that you go away and do some research before being sucked in by this one sided point of view.
You might be interested to know that Clyde’s point of view represents the minority of the NZ population which is generally perpetrated by members of the hunting fraternity. All major conservation organisations in NZ support the use of 1080.
Clyde - i agree that we must control pests in a careful, targeted and responsible way and that if we are going to kill something it must be done as humanely as possible. However, i disagree with your inaccurate use of figures and misrepresentation of scientific literature. It’s interesting that you use kea as an example. Kea live in alpine environments. Possums live in forest environments. 1080 is used to control possums in forest environments and is not actually used in alpine environments. The statistic you quote regarding kea poisoning is from a mistake that was made by one helicopter pilot at Fox Glacier who dropped 1080 above the treeline by accident. For your argument to be at all credible you need to learn to present information accurately rather than twisting it to suit your point of view.
It would be awesome to see your obviously excellent documentary making skills being put towards something that benefits our natural environment in the future. All the best.
 

Robert S (111)
Monday July 11, 2011, 6:03 am
http://sparrowscience.com/1080/chronology.html
 

Clyde G. (1)
Monday July 11, 2011, 7:14 pm
Anna,

1080 poison is a cruel killer. Some animals are poisoned lethally, with varying degrees of illness, and some are sub-lethally poisoned, leaving them with varying degrees of disability. We are one of the cruelest nations on earth, in regard to the way we poison animals. Because it is often hidden behind the walls of the forest, doesn't mean it isn't going on.

The poisoned Kea at Fox Glacier were not part of an over-spray. The birds were killed in the targeted area.
Kea are not only alpine birds. They also live in forested areas, well below the bushline. We have filmed Kea feeding on the forest floor, in forested valleys. They even live around rural areas (until they were poisoned) like Haast, which is on the coast. Kea are a parrot, they are curious by nature. They'll try to eat anything that looks novel, even trampers packs and tents, bicycle seats and the roofs of vehicles. Kea are being devastated by 1080 drops, most rural-based persons living around 1080 drop zones know this.

The majority of informed people, those living in the communities around the poison drops, are opposed to 1080. 92% of the people of the westcoast towns signed a petition saying they opposed 1080 drops. The organisations that support the industry, are associated industries and city dwellers married to a romantic notion they've been sold - by the poison industry.

We currently have 26 HIGH-RISK native bird species, many of which have been found dead after poison drops - made up of omnivores, insectivores, and carnivores - that have not yet been properly studied, in relation to how 1080 harms them. The species most studied, are the species least likely to show harm - the herbivores.

We have 1000's of muti-cellular organisms living in our rain forests that are yet to be formally described, and yet we continue to ignore these urgent issues and persist with poisoning them, every 2 or 3 years. Ignorance is not the answer.

A moratorium must be placed on the aerial discharge of 1080 poison immediately, and the pest-targeted, responsible alternatives be increased and further developed.
 

Clyde G. (1)
Tuesday July 12, 2011, 4:38 pm
For a summary of the science supporting 1080 use, by a scientist that sin't involved with the industry, please check this link...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1105/S00067/1080-poison-science-and-facts.htm
 

Robert S (111)
Tuesday July 12, 2011, 5:02 pm
Thank you Clyde, I'll check it out. I wish you well in your efforts to make your case. I agree with you, that it this poisoning as it is done and using the toxin 1080, should be stopped. I am not swayed by your adversaries argument that though they see the contradiction of using it to ecology, and though they make no agreement claiming animals do not die horribly, it is the "best" they can do. To deny a wide impact is to deny a food chain with clearly exists as one poisons another and another and another.

The "best" in this case is clearly not good enough and is in fact a horror. I'm sorry the so called good guys have bought into this disgusting "solution".
 
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