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Schoolgirl Hanged Herself After Nurse Failed to Tell Police About Rape Claim

Society & Culture  (tags: child, abuse, rape, children, crime, death, suicide )

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A girl of 15 killed herself three weeks after revealing that she had been raped to a nurse who failed to alert police. Anna Marie Averill was once among the brightest students in the country and dreamed of becoming a paediatrician.


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Charles C (160)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 8:42 pm
But she hanged herself after detailing her abuse to a psychiatric nurse.
The nurse should have reported the claims immediately, but agreed to keep the conversation confidential.
Anna Marie, of Bartley Green, Birmingham, first spoke of the rape to a community psychiatric nurse in April 2005, but insisted it must be kept secret.

She repeated the allegation to a social worker after being admitted to hospital suffering from a drug overdose.

Her death, and the loss of vital evidence, is thought to have contributed to a decision not to charge the 64-year-old man she identified as her abuser.

So, this repeat offender will not even be charged......mind boggling! If I were one of her parents, I would make sure he would never hurt another child again.....Last year he was jailed for five years for a string of sex attacks.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:00 pm
OMG, how horrific (and alone) she must have felt.

(You didn't hear it from me, but he should be gelded.)

Is there some kind of protest petiton to this jurisdiction?

If not, I'd be happy to research and initiate something.

Jaclin S (230)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:01 pm
Noted thanx Charles. Another light that will not shine anymore. I agree with you totally.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:15 pm
What a beautiful young lady lost off the planet, because no one helped her in her time of need. I wish I were there for her...I would have done something...the right thing, and perhaps she would still be alive, she was crying out for someone to help her, and no one was there...I feel sad...I know in my heart what this girl was feeling inside....RIP to a most beautiful soul lost....I will see you at heaven's gate sweet sister....
And for the sub-human that did this horrendous act upon a young innocent smart and had goals set for her
life....God is not done with you yet, no, I think not, for along with Just C., I will help to intiate to help get you the maximum jail sentence for the MURDER of this young lady....Shame on you..64 yrs old... and how dare they let
you go, knowing that you are a repeat sex offender...what the hell is wrong with them?...Oh, London, that's were this took place...I see...there must be some law there to protect the victims...please anyone from London, tell us the laws there, I, for one would like to see this animal get LIFE without parole, to never again do this, Charles, 5 times?...geez...i can't believer it hon....please why did she have to die? sadly noted..but you know how I am Charles, when it comes to children....Many blessings to all...and lets get justice for this young girl...she derserves that...
Dohiyi (peace)...FreeSpiritRunning..

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:18 pm
Noted and thank you Charles.

This is a loss to the world.

Did you know that the person who discovered nuclear fission was a female, Dr. Lise Meitner? The guy who got the Nobel Prize was a Nazi war criminal who had never studied either math or physics (he studied chemistry before atomic theory was generally taught, so in those days chemists didn't need to know math or physics). Some "scientists" say that Hahn discovered fission and that Meitner only discovered the mathematical basis for fission, but what Hahn did was an experiment that many scientists had also done and, they, like Hahn, found their results inexplicable. Without the formula, it was just an inexplicable experimental result, not a discovery. But since Meitner was female, when Meitner sought funding for ways to safely dispose of radioactive materials, all the funding went to weapons production instead, so we still don't know how to dispose of it safely.

I've always thought that if there were geniuses of Meitner's caliber around today with the potential to fiigure it out, they're probably also female, probably were denied an education and forced into prostitution at a young age, and rather than saving the world, are now standing on street corners or dying of AIDS.


Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:22 pm
Thank you, Charles. Sadly Noted !

Lauren Stone (586)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:22 pm
OMG...I am in tears. As a survivor and former rape crisis counselor I am sickened that the agancies who are legally obligated to report to authorities did not do so in a timely manner as they are required to. The nurse and the social worker failed this young girl and are IMHO, partially responsable for her death. With proper treatment and counseling she most likely could have been saved.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:25 pm
the world lost a beautiful future doctor ....she must have felt so alone ...:( ty my friend for sharing this

Stanley Pendze (279)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:43 pm
so very sad to hear about this.

Ali Hirst (286)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 9:57 pm
This is a shocking loss of a young girls life. What is wrong that the nurse didn't report her rape to the police. Disgraceful.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 10:13 pm
Just hardly can say anything except God bless her poor little soul. Something is not right with us if young people -- if people of any age -- choose to kill themselves in the situations like that... when everything could have been different.

Phyllis P (232)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 10:40 pm
what a tragedy and disgrace...when will people learn that different things affect different people in different one can judge my pain but a school nurse could be so caluous is beyond me

. (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 10:47 pm
she needs to lose her license

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 11:01 pm
noted,thats really messed up......thanks

Charles C (160)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 11:44 pm
Carole.....please, by all means, any help you need, let me know.....and thanks. are welcome, and thanks for your true. just makes me sad that this bright, innocent soul, had to lose her life because of guilt from what this Monster did to her and who knows how many others!! You know how I am about children also....they are the future of the world and I would do anything to protect them.
Mark......It is a great loss indeed, this young girl had everything to live for.....Anna Marie was described as "a bright and intelligent pupil in the top 15 per cent academically in the country". are welcome
Lauren....I completely agree that she could have been helped, had the proper authorities known as soon as it was reported, and yes.....there should be accountability for those that did not do what they legally were supposed to do.
Roxie.....I'm sure she had the potential to be anything she wanted to be...welcome my friend.

Kathleen Hilliker (293)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 11:45 pm
The more (and yet more) stories we read about our courts not doing anything with sex offenders (as well as others breaking our laws and getting away with serving time), the more I realize how totally corrupt our courts are! I think we must all begin to write letters, make phone calls and actively let our cities/states/country know that we are FURIOUS about people not paying for their HORRIBLE crimes...especially against children and underaged young adults. How many other stories just as sad as this one must we read before some action is taken?

I also do NOT defend our medical professionals either. Time & time again, our troubled teens and children are coming to the people they trust and sharing nightmares with them....only to be lost in the red-tape of an agency, or ignored as there are too many cases to handle. We're talking THEIR LIVES!!

And finally, where are the parents? No, kids don't always want their "shame" brought up to their parents, but who is the most supported and loving person in their lives? It's time we take more time to listen to our children, BE INVOLED in their lives, and take some RESPONSIBILITY for their safety & welfare.

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:00 am
Kathy, you have hit on a key issue here, "shame", the stigma placed of victims of sexual assaults. Society tends still to blame the victim and often the victim will take the blame on themselves. Though they are the victims of a violent crime, just as someone who is mugged or carjacked. Society does not blame the victims of other violent crimes for what has happened to them. They are not scrutinized and held 'suspect' for their being victimized.
Rape is a weapon of violence, dominance, humiliation, control, degratation, the infliction of pain on every touches the very core of the victims life. The victims of rape need to viewed as such, VICTIMS. They need immediately available services, health care, counseling, legal support.
It's time we wake up and stop blaming victims and start prosecuting and keeping predators behind bars and away from our children.

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:18 am
Oh my dear God....this is beyond tragic....such a lovely young woman. I cannot begin to imagine the emotional agony and the loneliness she must have felt, horrible enough that she felt death was her only escape...because the adults in her life didn't give a damn. May her blood be upon not only her attacker, but also upon the adults in her life who did NOTHING. Rest in peace, Anna Marie. We did not know you, but still we grieve.
Thank you, Charles, for this very important post.

Margaret B (164)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:18 am
You expressed it very well Lauren, Kactus and Charles! Having been a victum by the age of 7 I can some what understand what this young woman must have felt! I think the nurse and the offender should both take responsibility, the nurse should never be around children again and the offender should be on death row, one of the few crimes I feel deserves to be put to death for. Grrrrrrrr, life is hard enough for a teen without something like this.

L L (1020)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:28 am
My question is does England not have mandated reporting? This is an atrocity and those involved should all be held responsible, criminally and financially. What a bunch of Bull***t!

Beverly L (72)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:36 am
How does confidentiality come into play in this kind of situation? A brutal crime like this should always be reported.

Ali Hirst (286)
Monday September 3, 2007, 2:00 am
Here in Australia it is mandatory for a Dr to report anything that he/she treats with ANY suspicious damage or marks on the patient or anything a patient says that is classed under Abuse. What went wrong in England. Do they have different laws there.?

Linda A (198)
Monday September 3, 2007, 3:27 am
i had similar occurence of this, in my abusive childhood, the police didnt belive me and returned me home to suffer further abuse, this was 40 years ago, guess nothing has changed

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 3:53 am
It is a terrible shame to have it come to this ,when all the nurse had to do is report it to the police and let it get taken care of. Now the parents have lost their child and the horror of thinking that you can't rely on a nurse or any other person to do the right thing. My thoughts and prayers are with the family.

RC deWinter (418)
Monday September 3, 2007, 3:54 am
We have created a throw-away world, and we throw away our hope for the future - our children. I hope this beautiful young woman is at peace in the arms of the angels and that those who could have helped and didn't realize what they helped happen and learn a goddamned lessson from it!

Holly Troubetzkoy (167)
Monday September 3, 2007, 5:07 am
Charles this is an interesting case which according to the dates happened two years ago? What I read about is an intellignet girl who was being bullied at school according to her parents and who had admitted years before that she had been raped?
Being a care given asked to keep a secret a secret by a young woman not of legal age is an no win no win situation. This young woman killed herself, that much we are sure of. We are also pretty certain about the rapist? Do we know who the bullies were?
When people become desperate, we often talk about the straw that broke the camel's back. It could very well be the bullies which resulted in the final push over the cliff of dispair. It might have been that if they had told earlier she would have killed herself earlier. As if is just a useless fight. We must offer the protection your children need from physical and from psychological torture. I am not out based on this article, Charles. Sorry.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 5:08 am
What are we doing? This beautiful girl is gone, her family is devasted, and what about the so-called nurse? She should have her license suspended. How stupid could she be?????

Texas W (20)
Monday September 3, 2007, 5:29 am
My heart breaks for this young lady, her family and friends. When we look at the "big picture" what kind of message does this send to other children out there......that you can't trust adults both those that will violate you and those that are in positions to protect you?

Lucky Children A (104)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:25 am
What could I say more. This is so dramatic.
Teen-agers think them as not understanded. It seems it was true for this poor Anne-Marie.
She had a good future for her and a monter destroy all. Her life, her intimity, her future, her Family.
Does it exist a real justice in that world to finish these horrors ?
I have a daughter, she always has been independant and strong personnality, but I am still afraid.

Dave Kane (308)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:32 am
Everyone screwed this up, but it seems the police coming to her school to interview her might have been the straw that ended her life. If they had visited her at her home, instead of at school on a regular school day, without all the students (and possibly even the rapist), knowing she's being questioned by the police the outcome may have been different.

And of course, there is little chance now of ever catching this guy, which makes it all the more tragic. Hopefully they will all learn how to better handle cases like this. If a young girl tells a professional -- in confidence -- that she was raped, the professional has No Choice but to report it. Tough call, but there has to be one hard rule for this.

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:50 am
A 15-year-old girl killed herself after suffering months of abuse at the hands of school bullies, her mother said yesterday.

Anna Marie Averill, who was studying for her GCSEs, was found hanging in her bedroom by her mother, Annette.

She said her daughter had been subjected to systematic verbal and physical abuse by three girls for the past eight months. It included them trying to push her head through iron school railings.

The situation had become so bad that the police were involved and a teenage girl was arrested in March after an alleged street assault.

Anna Marie had become so depressed by the bullying that she is said to have attempted suicide a couple of times and had seen her GP. Her mother said during the Easter holidays, Anna Marie cut her wrists outside the gates of the Hillcrest School, in Bartley Green, Birmingham, where she was a year-11 pupil.

Mrs Averill, 42, said she found her daughter in her bedroom on Sunday. She was rushed to hospital but pronounced dead.
Telegraph - TravelShop

She said: "I want justice. I lost my daughter in September when the bullying started. A gang of three girls wouldn't leave her alone. They called her terrible names, pushed her head through the bars of the school gate. I think they found her an easy target and she lost all her confidence.

"I found the body and am so angry that these girls drove my Anna Marie to this. I hope they can sleep at night."

Anne Marie lived in a semi-detached house in Quinton, Birmingham, with her mother; father, Patrick; sisters, Kelly, nine, and Sarah, five; and brothers, Ricky, eight, and Ryan, five.

Mrs Averill claimed that teachers were considering allowing Anna Marie to study in private to stop the bullies.

She added: "The school was not the problem. They tried their best but Anna Marie couldn't take any more.

"Anna Marie worked hard and wanted to be a paediatrician. She was special, she had a beautiful smile and never had an evil word to say about anyone."

Yesterday the school denied claims that Anna Marie, who was one month off turning 16, was being bullied there.

The head teacher, Lynda Roan, said: "The staff were not aware of any ongoing bullying issue at school. However, Anna Marie was receiving help from professional support agencies outside school.

"Anna Marie was happy at school and was popular with students and staff.

"She told two members of staff that school was where she had a feeling of safety and belonging."

West Midlands Police said an alleged assault by a group of girls on Anna Marie was reported on March 28. A teenage girl from her school was arrested and freed on police bail, a spokesman said. The coroner has been told of Anna Marie's death and police inquiries are continuing.

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:53 am
Mrs Averill, 42, claimed yesterday that bullies had driven her daughter to her death. She said: "They called her terrible names, pushed her head through the bars of the school gate. I think they found her an easy target and she lost all confidence. I hope they can sleep at night."
Anna Marie is the second Midlands teenager to be found in such circumstances in recent weeks. Jasmine Bradley, 12, was found hanging in the bathroom of her home in Staffordshire in April.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:02 am
I really COMMEND the professions staff that RESPECTED this child right to privacy and confidenciality. I do, however, place blame on these very same professionals that did not do more to help this victem... did they do EVERYTHING humanly possible to help this young individual cope with this atrocity? Maybe they DID. Some things are just TOOOOO damaging to recover from. But a wolrd we live in today, (with the government NEEDING to know everytime you take a piss...and what color it is...) I COMMEND the professionals who respected this childs RIGHT TO PRIVACY....

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:03 am
Anna Marie's two brothers, two sisters and her mother moved out of their home after the incident.
Where is the father through all this?

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:10 am
Linda, sorry, but this is a child we are talking about. I know as a parent, I feel if my child would confess something like this to a professional, I damned well better be notified, so I can protect my child and get her the help she so desperately needed. If not, I am going to hold that professional responsible for a tragedy that could have been avoided.
I understand the confidentiality between an adult and a professional, but by law, anything like this with a child must be reported!!

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:19 am
Linda, obviously by your last statement, you realize that your opinion is not a popular one, but yes, you are entitled to your opinion and will not be attacked.....but if you make a comment voicing your opinion, be prepared for other people's opinions on what you state and do not ever threaten anyone on my post!!!!

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:23 am
Talk about an anger issue!!!!!!!

Past Member (2031)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:50 am
This is tragic! I hope that safeguards are put in place so that nothing like this ever happens again. We need to protect our young people!

Marian E (152)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:53 am
Sadly noted, story, comments and all.

Thank you Charles, your vigilance regarding our children is appreciated.

Dusty K (1339)
Monday September 3, 2007, 9:15 am
Sad story indeed...but if this mom knew that her child was being threatened, as from what I've read so far, she did, why did she not step in and do something? And why could the child not come to her parents and say something as well, once they knew? My heart goes out to this have no one to trust. Thanks Charles

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 9:34 am
It seems to me, that the Care2 News Newtork ought to be a place to give an opinion, to get a DIVERSE opinion, without members attacking other members and calling them names for thier opinion. For all you know, Linda H. may be a survivor of rape and insest herself, yet you have blocked her opinion. After surviving the ordeal, you have block an opinion about it.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 9:36 am
Noted. what a tragic short life this child has endured. I know the feeling of being raped and not getting any justice for it. My heart goes out to this young woman who will never know what life is all about because it was cut short by this violence in her life. My heart and prayers are with her and her family. The only thing is she is now in a better, safer place than the world we live in. My heart is crying out to all the kids this jerk has hurt. I agree with Just Carole something needs to be done so he cannot hurt another young woman again, EVER!!!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 9:54 am
People like Linda DO get it Charles. She is a survivor of this childhood trauma, and to add insult to injuy, you called her a troll,.

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Madalena Lobaotello (448)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:11 am
Noted thanx Charles

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:21 am
Nyack, Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just be prepared for responses to your opinion. For the record, who attacked who? You better re-read the comments. Here is my comment in reply to her:
Linda, sorry, but this is a child we are talking about. I know as a parent, I feel if my child would confess something like this to a professional, I damned well better be notified, so I can protect my child and get her the help she so desperately needed. If not, I am going to hold that professional responsible for a tragedy that could have been avoided.
I understand the confidentiality between an adult and a professional, but by law, anything like this with a child must be reported!!
I thought what I said was understanding that she was entitled to her opinion!!
Her next comment:
GET OFF MY FUCKING CASE. I just said I am not here to get into personal discussion...why would you go out of you way to INTENTIONALLY disrespect what I just said?...Don't be too sorry CHARLES, for violating me.
That is acting a bit like a rapist yourself... I JUST ASKED TO BE LEFT ALONE for stating my opinion. WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU, AND ALL OF CARE2????????????????????????????????????????????
Before you open your mouth to switch feet as usual, get the facts straight and stick to the story.
I will not debate this any further as her and you have already gotten away from the real issue, which is a young girl that died because no one did their job, and legally, they were supposed to report it!!!

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:23 am
James, I will never block anyone for their opinion, but rude, nasty and threatening, I will!!!

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:29 am
Thank you all for your comments, and my apologies for those that look to distract from the story. All opinions and viewpoints are welcome.

Eleanor B (909)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:35 am
Linda is not a troll. She was not deliberately picking a quarrel. In my view she was too quick to be defensive and I don't condone swearing and stuff but she is not a troll. She expressed an opinion and it's a valid one. I don't know what the legal position is for CPNs in situations like this so I can't comment. Did her school allow bullying and do nothing? How could the school not know she had had her head rammed through railings? What did drive this young girl to suicide? I think we can be too quick to make judgments.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:40 am
Maybe there are some posts that have been deleted from this discussion? I must be missing something, as I don't see how this developed.

Linda's comment at 8:02 a.m. was very confusing. It both commended and blamed the authorities for respecting the child's privacy by violating laws designed to protect children in a way that may have resulted in a child's death.

Charles asked where the father was through all this, and then Linda's next comment talked about character assassination when there had been none, and threatened to sue. Were posts containing character assassination deleted, was Linda reponding here to private messages that don't appear here, or what?

Then Charles expressed his opinion that it is more important to protect the child than to protect the child's privacy, and Linda said that Charles was acting like a rapist. WTF? Molesters and abusers thrive on privacy. This is a complicated issue. In cases where the parrents ARE the abusers, the child's privacy needs to be protected from the parents, but not from law enforcement. In cases where a child is being abused by people outside the family and the parents can't do anything because the child hasn't told them and the authorities know about it but won't tell the parents or law enforcement, respect for the child's privacy may not be in the child's best interests. This isn't a one-size-fits-all issue.

Principles such as "nobody should be blocked," "a child's privacy should be respected," and "child abuse should be reported," don't always work. When somebody is disruptive and has nothing to contribute, I see no reason not to block them. When respect for a child's privacy results in the loss of that child's life, I don't think it was in the best interests of the child. Child abuse should be reported, but not to the abusers or in any way that would expose a child to further harm. So again, there are no easy answers.

One of the big issues in the HIV/AIDS debate was privacy. Health professionals began noting that there were a lot of new infections among female monogamous spouses of bisexual or needle-using males who knew they were HIV+ but continued to have unsafe sex with unknowing wives. So California passed what was called a "Spousal Protection Act," that would allow health authorities to notify the wives and an HIV+ husband refused to do so. But as the bill was being considered in the state legislature, the issue of privacy came up. When it finally passed, the bill allowed health professionals to notify people who shared needles and people who were promiscuous that they may have been infected, but it prohibited them from notifying monagamous, non-drug-using wives because they would have only one possible source of infection, their husbands, and would thus be able to identify the person who infected them, which would violate the privacy of the husbands. In other words, California law ruled that the privacy of husbands was more important than the lives of their wives. Now this was quite some time back, so I don't know if the law has since been modified, but when I argued at the time that the law was wrong and that the lives of faithful wives were more important than the privacy rights of their deceitful husbands, I was attacked ferociously. To me it was a no-brainer. When you marry somebody, you forfeit some of your privacy rights. For example, they're going to see your underwear, while most people probably never will. And I see no reason to protect the privacy of people who are killing their loved ones. Females are more often raped and killed by their significant others than by strangers. But for many it was a privacy issue and nothing else mattered.


Terrie Karr (105)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:40 am
MY OPINION IS that the abuse-all of it should have been reported-she was a minor--and my understanding is that by law any reports against a minor by others or the person has to be reported-being a child yes you have rights of course--and understandable that being young you dont want everyone to know your business especially if you fear further insults and harm--as easy as that is to understand a young persons way of thinking-still I believe the nurse should be accountable to report--if the parents/family were already aware of things they should have al lbeen into some sort of counceling help--too many young people have strong issues going on that are kept too private and the end result is something like this or the young lash out at others in destruction-- sometimes its sad that no matter what type of help you might get it wont stop the worst from happening-but most of the time it does--also cant believe the man just walks free involved in the rape--sad story-and also sad that people on this care2 site have to fight so much with each other over opinions--there should be no name calling and no threats--its crazy!! and if anyone has a beef with another you can send them a personal message and say hey lets talk about this and not post your personal arguments with one another on a news story page -people are going to disagree with anothers opinion all the time-post your opinion about the story-go to the person directly if you want to discuss further issues---this was a story about a young girl and the tragidy-did it get proper attention or not--its somethig to think about concerning our youth and the troubles and peer pressures they face daily--thanks for listening

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 10:50 am
Eleanor - I'm sure she appreciates you coming to her defense......Sorry, but when someone swears at me and attacks me personally for responding nicely to a comment and threatens everyone on care2 and the network, if anyone responds to her comment, why bother making a comment??? What do you call that? I do not know Linda, and at this point do not want to.
In response to the rest of your comment, the school denied the bullying, she was raped and obviously was suffering with the shame and guilt, aside from the bullying, which I'm sure compounded the pressure for her.
I believe that the law regarding any abuse or rape on a child MUST be reported to the authorities.....I know that is the way it is here in the states, I would hope it would be the same in the UK.

Charles C (160)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:00 am
Mark- you didn't miss any comments and there were no private messages.....what you read is just the way it unfolded. Thank you for your support my friend.
Thank you all for your comments, as your opinions and viewpoints are always valued.... and sorry again for the disruption.

Ceci M (80)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:05 am
Been there done that, and there's no excuse for these arguments and hateful comments. If someone states their opinion on something, respect it, YOU posted the story open for all to see, and as a survivor myself I cannot say who's right or who's wrong, because there is no such thing. Everyone reacts their own way and handles crisis their own way, and unless you've been there, you have no right to judge cause you have NO idea what you're talikng about. I truly detest people that speak as if they KNOW, when you cannot possibly KNOW unless you've been through it. Stop judging and let people speak, everyone has a right. And not all victims of human savagery can handle it, not everyone has the inside strength to plow through the muck, so respect this young lady and pray for her soul, God knows she needs it! It's not always about YOU.

Anonymous U (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:05 am
I happen to go to the school that Anna went to, and i was there when this incident happened. I think its absolutely appaling that a nurse didnt say anything about the rape, ive also got to say, i think the parents saying that she was bullied is crap. My school had to go through lots of bad stuff said in the newspapers that wasnt true. Pretty much most of the school knew she'd been raped. If the police or someone had asked her friends or the school, maybe that guy would have been caught faster. In the school grounds, she has a bench under a blossom tree. Im just sorry she had such a short unhappy life.

Carolyn T (234)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:14 am
I know nothing about laws in England regarding patient privilege--here, even the youngest children have that right and the attending psychiatrist/psychologist may not directly divulge the informationn. I emphasize "may not directly.."--there is wiggle room there. Once this young woman made her first suicide attempt followed by others in short order and the cutting incidents--these were all sceams for help. These are public records at this point insofar as access to information is concened. There was time to act sensitively. One wonders if the 63-year old was a teacher or authority figure in the school? a family friend? her father? her minister? Clearly, it could not have been hard to identify the man--which they did! I still do not understand the vague reason for allowing him to go free. I do not even know if I believe she hung herself--her other attempts were always thrwarted either because she made sure they were known or someone was watching her very closely. Had she truly wanted to commit suicide she would have made certain her second attempt was the successful one. Hanging yourself takes strength and planning and is a complete departure from the use of pills--and where was she getting those? you might ask! Do you think she is the one who finally told someone she believed to be fiendly to her about the rape? Someone who knew told it--professionals talking and overheard, kids at home, parent(s) confiding in someone. Lots of holes in this account. The only thing certain is that she is gone.

Yesterday, I posted an account of a young woman who began being raped by her father starting about the age of 8. This youg woman did not kill herself after years of the hideous abuse, she finally killed her rapist-father. She was convicted of murder and has been serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole since she was just shy of 18. The judge who heard the case stated he felt the punishment was severe. She is waiting for action on a petition for clemency from the Governor of Missouri. He has had it now SINCE 1998! She is now in her mid-30s and one person after another has taken away her innocence and her youth. There has been a petition on C2 for a long time, still short of the necessary 10,000 signatures needed. She has a page here at C2. Her name is Stacey Lannert. She is not in London; she is in the United States. As we cannot help the precious child whose life ended in London in death, Stacey is buried alive. WHY WON'T ANY OF US HELP HER? iF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED THIS PETITION, PLEASE...PLEASE TAKE SOME OF THIS RESPONSIBLE ACTION WE ARE SO UNITED BEHIND AND GO RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND SIGN THE PETITION. PLEASE--ANONYMOUS HAS NO PLACE ON THE PETITION AT THIS TIME. REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR CLEMENCY. SHE WAS WRONGLY INCARCERATED TO BEGIN WITH BY ANY STANDARD OF REASON AND COMPASSION AND SHE HAS BEEN SERVING TIME ABOUT 17 YEARS. HOW MUCH MORE TIME MUST SHE SERVE FOR HER TORTURER. SHE WILL LIVE WITH THIS THE REST OF HER LIFE. JUST DO THE "something" we are always talking is your chance. Do it for all of the Marians, Staceys and DO IT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I beg of you on their behalfs. You will find Free Stacey Lannert on my friends link page. She has her own page/billboard providing background. C2 has the petition which lacks a paltry few thousand votes. Kriisti K, her sponsor, has it posted on her profile as well.

Please remember to check your language and be forceful yet respectful. If he has sat on this so long now, it won't take much for her to feel the backlash of rage expressed in obscenities--no matter how good it feels. Let's get her out first, then you can say to the governor of Missouri whatever you want. My fear is he will keep this pocketed until he leaves office UNLESS WE PRESS IT NOW.

I do not know what else I might say here to galvanize action. Here sits someone needed us and her sit us talking. Well, let's talk all right. Let's talk by signing the petition. Thank you. May God be with all of these young women; and may we all go with God.

Carolyn Tonahill


Anonymous U (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:20 am
It wasnt an authority figure in the school that got arrested for the rapes, that much i know.

tammymarie h (24)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:25 am
Noted. Incredibly heartbreaking in more ways than one.

Pamela R (159)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:30 am
This is an extremely sad story. I am not a survivor of rape or abuse of any kind, so my opinion is that of
a woman who has been blessed. My heart goes out to anyone who has been abused in any way, shape or form. I do believe though that any adversity can be overcome with help. In my opinion the abuse SHOULD have been reported, perhaps this dear girl could have been helped by her parents or...?? I tried to research British Laws concerning confidentiality but couldn't find anything. As a teacherin the U.S., I would be prosecuted if I didn't report "suspected" abuse, let alone known abuse!

Dusty K (1339)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:45 am
I am guessing that is an old story, dated at the beginning from 2000 and ending at 2005. In america, as an RN, who gathers forensic evidence for these same causes, patients have the right to remain quiet and the medical profession, no matter what, has to abide by that. I do not know the laws in England....this did not happen here in the US. If it had, we still have to abide by the person. Someone comes in to a clinic, pregnant, underage, we still have to RESPECT their privacy ( I do not agree with this, but it is the law) Maybe the laws need to be changed. What happened is wrong, but I FEEL the PARENTS ARE JUST AS MUCH AS fault. How could someone not see????

Jennie B (14)
Monday September 3, 2007, 11:46 am
I wasn't here this weekend to see this so I'm late in commenting-this breaks my heart. This child needed help and she wasn't heard-what a mistake to live with for this nurse and indeed she will have to live with it. What a loss to the parents of this child who left wondering why. She asked for help and didn't get what she needed. When someone is in crisis, they need intense concentration on them and their needs immediately. She should not have been alone long enough to hurt herself. This was a dangerous situation and the risk of suicide needed to be evaluated immediately, too, because it was high for a girl who expected so much of herself. Teens don't think beyond today in these situations. They are in the moment of pain and can see no relief past the intensity of the hurt they feel-she truly could not see another alternative and needed counseling-real counseling at that moment in time. Where was the doctor, the social worker, the team of professionals needed to help her get through this incident and protect her from her own fears? Noted.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:22 pm

Dusty K (1339)
Monday September 3, 2007, 12:26 pm

Pat B (356)
Monday September 3, 2007, 1:38 pm
this is indeed a very sad story. i wonder what help her parents were giving to anna?? i always thought that medical personnel (nurse, in this case) must honor the request for confidentiality if at the legal age of 18 (U.S), but that if a must be reported to the authorities. (?) i find it very distressing to find out that the rapist/abuser in this case got away, or will not be prosecuted. "Her death, and the loss of vital evidence, is thought to have contributed to a decision not to charge the 64-year-old man she identified as her abuser. Last year he was jailed for five years for a string of sex attacks. why did they NOT do 'vital evidence testing" on anna when she reported this??, and submit the findings to court, (DNA and the like). somebody has dropped the ball for this beautiful young lady, and unfortunately, she felt lost in her world to go hang herself. how very, very tragic. i pray that she is at rest now..and justice will be found for her memory. noted, and PO.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 1:50 pm
So many good people all in one place is a really great thing. I know I get frustrated seeing so much hurt in the world today that I might lash out at whoever comes,along not really meaning too. I still believe C2 to be the best the world has to offer, It hurts to see my friends here upset,and being called names,Even the friends I havent met yet. I dont know all of you yet, but just schrolling up looking at names and their proud pictures, I feel happy inside, proud of you all for trying to save this beautiful world and those creatures we all care so much for. Maybe we can save all the bad things for the people who really deserve it. You are all good' smart people, and the ones that will save the world. Hope we can all still have a great Labor day. Love you all.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 1:52 pm
Charles, Cate, all of you have nailed this ---not much more that I can say------another poor baby lost to this world but safe in another---it is beyond me why this bastard is still free----he should be castrated and planked his ass in prison for the rest of his sorry life------and the nurses and doctors----there are some that really CARE and there are so many that JUST DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!!!! Sadly noted. Thank you for the info Charles.

leslie J (13)
Monday September 3, 2007, 2:26 pm
How very sad that no one in authority reported this abuse :( How very sad that she did not feel comfortable enough to tell her parents of this abuse. I am sure that she would have a been a wonderful,caring,loving doctor.

Blacktiger P (247)
Monday September 3, 2007, 2:44 pm
Thank you Charles, I have read the thread up to the point of contention, and Charles ONLY said "the family had left their home and moved away" I saw nothing to bring about Linda's out burst.NOTHING. It appears she was playing on anger from another source of which we are not privey to. May we all come to conversations and discussions with our mind in the present and topic.

MadMud Artist (414)
Monday September 3, 2007, 3:19 pm
There is no call for any abuse...even the abuse that is being shown here....and there is some. the use of foul language is not needed. If one needs to vocalize their anger..whom ever they are..I am NOT takeing any sides here...they should do it one on one to eachother. This just draws attention away from the real issue..this TRAGIC and henious crime against A HUMAN BEING of young years. To get into a shouting match does NOTHING proactive or supportive. We learn from our actions. I pray strength to this sweet young womans family.

Dave O'Connell (2637)
Monday September 3, 2007, 3:47 pm
No one can really be excluded from the Care2 News Network community. If they are blocked from one particular message thread, they can copy the site URL into and generate a duplicate story URL address. Using their newly created tinyurl URL address, they can submit their own news story, which they can manage according to their own preference.

Or a user can Google another story on the topic, from another news source, and submit a new story with the entirely new article.

It is true that many users seemed to be blocked willy-nilly for sometimes obscure reasons. However, these are transient message threads anyway. There are boatloads of news message threads, many of them duplicates, and a new opportunty to comment is always right around the corner.

I suspect that typing in ALL CAPS may be a risk factor for being blocked.

Pamela Salomon (255)
Monday September 3, 2007, 4:16 pm
I'm not sure why Linda went off like that. I'm so sorry that she too was hurt. I feel bad. I know how much she must be hurting. I too was abused and raped. This story is so sad.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 4:19 pm
As a psychiatric nurse, I understand the dilema, we are told over and over again about "confidentiality". If you break confidentiallity, you can get in big ttrouble, even lose your license. So ...what I would do, would be make every attempt to have the person involved make a report, or If unsuccessful, I would have to tell them that I felt obligated to repoert it, so they would know I was going to do it. It is very sad that she did not get the help she needed,, but I do feel sorry for that nurse, she must have been conflicted. It is very hjard to know sometimes, when you are dealing with such delicate issues. Do you "do as you are told"... or do the right thing? I am some what of a rebel.. and know I would have told, if she hadn't. but not all people have that re bellious spirit. They are afraid of the consequences!!! It can be Hell if you do and hell if you don"t!!

David Gould (155)
Monday September 3, 2007, 4:50 pm
Yet again we see a dreadfully sad situation where in a way both side are right. Of course the nurse should have disclossed the information to her line manager for that person to take the decission about whether to pass details on child abuse to the authorities. The nurse should not have taken that role upon herself.

On the other hand there has to be some repect of the wishes of the patient themselves who wished that this be kept confidential. However in childcare the "best interests of the child, its safety and welfare" are paramount and may outweigh ALL other conciderations.

The twin fears that a violated child suffers are the thought that they will not be believed or that they will be believed and a bit fuss will errupt over a private intrusion into that child's life.

Again the paramount aim should be to safeguard the child's welfare. The whole point of the response team being multi-agency is that no one agency should have to make the sole decissions in the case. time after time in UK cases of child abuse gone wrong it is the failure of the agencies to communicate together and the failure of the joint agencies hence to make the right decissions that have marred the case and inevitably led to the death of the child.

In the same way as the nurse not being in the position to made the decission so too nor is the psychiatric service entitled to make the sole decissions. Multi-Agency reponse is just that and unles and untill professionals communicate effectively across the boundaries of their professions then we will i fear see further case like this very tragic one here.

Linda Hartsfield (46)
Monday September 3, 2007, 4:55 pm
May she rest in peace now.


Melanie T (82)
Monday September 3, 2007, 5:01 pm

Sharon D (91)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:23 pm
This is horrific crime and stupidity upon the nurse for not notifying the proper people to handle this.

Mara G (411)
Monday September 3, 2007, 7:32 pm
Thanks for the story Charles. I've read all the comments also. I feel that you did the correct thing and if I loose a friend or two over it, so be it! Some things do "not" deserve defending, no matter if their your best friend or not. This is one of those times. Very sad article and its a damned if you do or don't situation, and I've personally been there before. You can't win for loosing and a child's life is in the balance. In 25 years of being a behavior manager and a decade more in the study of psychology, I "know" without any doubt or hesitation that the best defenders, guardians, supporters, are the "parents" and you must make every effort to get the permission needed to tell them. Sadly, that doesn't always happen and this story may be the result.

Nadia Donato (476)
Monday September 3, 2007, 8:09 pm
Linda and Charles, this is not the first time I've seen you two butt heads before. You're both friends and I'm just trying to be objective here. Linda is a great activist for animals and the environment and she's certainly no troll. Charles, you're a great advocate for children and I appreciate you keeping us informed with your news posts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they should be free to express it without fear of being blocked or harassed. However, foul language should not be tolerated...perhaps Charles, it's Linda's reaction from your past run-ins? Nevertheless, I think you two should make up or just plainly ignore each other's comments if you want the focus to remain on the story. You don't have to respond to everyone's post you know? Just my two cents.

Now, going back to the real focus: the tragic story of this poor girl. I'm interested to know if there are any new updates since this story was printed (March 2007)? Perhaps someone has been charged since?...I hope?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 12:03 am
This child was seeking to find something great and contributes to for her future , the path look good.she was in a chaotic state,her world was violent she felt no love,her world was full of confusion & noise all around her to whom could she go to,and whom could she trust?after she broke the silents,about the rape. yes she talk to the nurse, maybe she did not find the answers to her questioning discuss? i feel she became more confused not feeling safe, it was to much for her to bear. we will never know why she took her life.she took the reason with her.God only knows how endless the list was. now the world will never see the way her heart would have walk and cheer for the good and the difference she could have made.for the future.i pray God will bring Judjment on the one's who let her down my heart & prayers go out to her family.our children are our future.we are here to protect them. noted .so so sad.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 12:16 am
This is one these stories that leads you to make a judgment without having all the details, we don't know what that nurse knew. I for one will not make any judgments here except that I think this is a poorly written article. A prime time Fox news special. I will not support sensationalizing rape and suicide to attack health care workers who are by the way understaffed. Not enough qualified people to fill all the offices and these articles don't help to solve this crises.

Aggie M (44)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 10:46 am
For some reason this girl felt that she couldn't talk to her parents about the rape. A rape that may have been a secondary cause of her death. We, in this country, have seen the ugly results of bullying when it has ended with pipe bombs in lockers and kids with guns roaming the halls of their schools shooting anything that moves. No matter what the over all cause, this young girl felt the need to get out of this life and prey God, into a better one. The nurse may well have recognized that Anna Marie felt unable to speak to her parents and was keeping her secret to allow the door of communication to remain open so Anna would know that she was able to trust her. When she agreed to the privacy she did make one big error, she should have maintained an intense watch on this girl. Had she done so, she could have chosen to break her agreement to keep the confidance and at least shared her knowledge with those treating the young lady for her suicide attempts. I do not agree that the nurse was wrong, only short sighted in her resposibility to follow up on the situation. The rape may never have been heard about from Anna Marie if the nurse had refused her the privacy she sought out. I guess we can't really come to much of a logical conclusion with such different stories about the school, bullying, and the rape. Knowing a lot more detail of the whole story would help to really understand what caused this girl to decide that it was too painful to stay here on this plain. I just know that I don't blame the nurse for providing this girl with an adult to talk openly with. At Anna Marie's age, that is really a rare thing.

karen e (29)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:01 am
Rape is against the law. I think that the United States has it right with Child Protection Laws, that if a violent crime or any form of child abuse is reported to a health care professional, that the health care professional is OBLIGATED by law to report it. I understand the delima she was confronted with when asked to keep the teenager's disclosure confidential. I would not want to be in that situation myself, and there is also the concern that children are least likely to tell if they feel there will be repercussions. I do not know about the laws in England, but here in the United States the laws are VERY clear. Any health care professional or professional or person that works with and around children must report even suspected cases of child abuse. This is for a very good reason; to PROTECT THE CHILD from further abuse and to STOP the perpetrators. Everything possible should have been done to get the poor girl help and to bring the alleged rapist to justice. Even if it meant breaking confidentiality, THIS SHOULD have been done, in the girl's best interest and other potential victims' protection. This whole scenario is one of the very reason MONSTERS like that get away with their foul acts. The perpetrator must be stopped and needs rehabilitation of some kind, and to be imprisoned away from innocent people, at the VERY least!

karen e (29)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:01 am
Rape is against the law. I think that the United States has it right with Child Protection Laws, that if a violent crime or any form of child abuse is reported to a health care professional, that the health care professional is OBLIGATED by law to report it. I understand the delima she was confronted with when asked to keep the teenager's disclosure confidential. I would not want to be in that situation myself, and there is also the concern that children are least likely to tell if they feel there will be repercussions. I do not know about the laws in England, but here in the United States the laws are VERY clear. Any health care professional or professional or person that works with and around children must report even suspected cases of child abuse. This is for a very good reason; to PROTECT THE CHILD from further abuse and to STOP the perpetrators. Everything possible should have been done to get the poor girl help and to bring the alleged rapist to justice. Even if it meant breaking confidentiality, THIS SHOULD have been done, in the girl's best interest and other potential victims' protection. This whole scenario is one of the very reason MONSTERS like that get away with their foul acts. The perpetrator must be stopped and needs rehabilitation of some kind, and to be imprisoned away from innocent people, at the VERY least!

karen e (29)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:01 am
Rape is against the law. I think that the United States has it right with Child Protection Laws, that if a violent crime or any form of child abuse is reported to a health care professional, that the health care professional is OBLIGATED by law to report it. I understand the delima she was confronted with when asked to keep the teenager's disclosure confidential. I would not want to be in that situation myself, and there is also the concern that children are least likely to tell if they feel there will be repercussions. I do not know about the laws in England, but here in the United States the laws are VERY clear. Any health care professional or professional or person that works with and around children must report even suspected cases of child abuse. This is for a very good reason; to PROTECT THE CHILD from further abuse and to STOP the perpetrators. Everything possible should have been done to get the poor girl help and to bring the alleged rapist to justice. Even if it meant breaking confidentiality, THIS SHOULD have been done, in the girl's best interest and other potential victims' protection. This whole scenario is one of the very reason MONSTERS like that get away with their foul acts. The perpetrator must be stopped and needs rehabilitation of some kind, and to be imprisoned away from innocent people, at the VERY least!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:41 am
The title of the article: "Schoolgirl hanged herself after nurse failed to tell police about rape claim"

A fact found in the article:

"Police were called in and interviewed Anna Marie at her school. But on May 1, her mother found her hanged."

She hung herself after reveling the abuser to the police. She begged the nurse not to tell anybody but when she was eventually forced to revel this information to police she hung herself. There is a very large piece of this story that is not being told. We don't know what the little girl told the nurse. Maybe the nurse new that this girl would kill herself if the police were to get involved and was obviously right. We don't know and this article is blatantly misleading.

We think we know what we wold do if we were or it it was us, but we really don't know, we're being self righteous and judgmental.

Carolyn M (8)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:52 am
I am so sorry for Anna Marie and everyone else this happens to, I was brought to tears with this story it hit close to home. There is no punishment severe enough for the predators that commit these horrible crimes. I hope she has found peace now.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 12:39 pm
I feel that this is a horrible tradgedy and another one of our bright lights has been snuffed out at a much too early age. Who knows what this young girl could have made of her life? Who knows what it feels like to be in her shoes but other survivors and sometimes these stories are just a little too close to home? I am very sorry that Linda H was blocked but I do not believe it was for her opinion as much as it was for her explosive, defensive attitude towards Charles, himself for something she felt he said that took her back to a time when she was being bullied and abused again. I think it was a sad misunderstanding and that it should have been resolved in private and not been allowed to take away from the news story.

I agree that this is a very sad story and that the rights of the child should be protected first and foremost. I am a survivor myself and i was not protected from my abusers as a child. if this is the law in the states, to allow a professional to keep knowledge of a crime that is committed against a child, a minor, then we have some serious lobbying to do to change these laws. Where were the parents, where was the adult, any adult to protect this young soul from feeling that the only alternative she had for her young life was to end it?

Thank you Charles for bringing this story to the forefront. And btw, I think it is by sharing all of our opinions with each other that we learn, we see other sides of the coin and we are better able to live with eachother.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 1:16 pm

What are the main objectives of HIPAA?

1. Accountability. HIPAA hopefully will reduce waste, fraud, and abuse. New penalties will be imposed.

2. Insurance Reform. HIPAA offers continuity and portability of health insurance, as well as providing limits on pre-existing provisions.

3. Administrative simplification. HIPAA mandates standards on electronic data transactions in a confidential and secure manner.

Who must comply with HIPAA?
Any healthcare provider that electronically stores, processes or transmits medical records, medical claims, remittances, or certifications must comply with HIPAA regulations. HIPAA does not require a practice to purchase a computer-based system as it applies only to electronic medical transactions.

What is the difference between HIPAA-ready and HIPPA-compliant?
HIPAA-ready typically refers to software products used by healthcare providers, insurance companies and clearing houses that comply with HIPAA guidelines. HIPAA-compliant refers to the doctors, hospitals and insurance companies themselves that are in compliance with HIPAA regulations.

Does HIPAA specify how compliance is to be achieved?
No. HIPAA regulations give health-care organizations the decision to decide how
HIPAA is a good , if i may say this ! HIPAA dose not stand on hope! it has a plan. this child's life for her was hope. she hope the hurt would go away,she hope the secret heard be heard,she hope some one would hear her cries. She hope when she told the nurse she would be safe. ? hope is nothing with out a plan. when the Teachers and nurseing staff gather for their school meetings. were the meetings on hope? we hope the school don't catch on fire, we hope there are no school shootings today. we hope we have no Child that is being rape or mistreated at home ? we hope no buses get into a accident today. YOU CAN NOT RUN A SCHOOL OFF OF HOPE. HIPAA IS NOT RUN OFF OF HOPE. ITS A PLAN. ITS STATES HEALTH CARE PRIVIDERS. THERE A PLAN FOR YOU TO FOLLOW. THIS NURSE HAD A DUTY TO FOLLOW BUT SHE WENT ON HOPE. IF SHE FOLLOW THE PLAN AS THE RULES STATES. THE PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL EYES ON THIS CHILD TO KEEP HER SAFE.NOT LEFT ALONE BASE ON HOPE. HOPE ONLY WORKS IF YOU HAVE A PLAN. THIS NURSE WAS THE ONE THIS CHILD WENT TO FOR A PLAN OF Refuge . you can scamble the words as much as you want. when you unscamble the words .its spells some one failed this child. because her problem ? was base on hope for the aduilt who was in charge.

Kari D (192)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 5:26 pm
Noted :-(

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 5:54 pm
Such news is overwhelming for survivors who have not yet had time to heal. It is agonizing for those who have healed. No one ever forgets such a violation.

Let's remember that before we get upset and take anything personally.

It is possible to stay with the story and allow the venting without reacting or responding.

Thanks Charles for submitting this. It is tragic beyond words. What is more tragic is that this is one case that we now know about. How many incidents like this take place and no one ever knows ?

If there are any actions / petitions to follow, please let me know.

Spirit Warrior

Vicki C (361)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 7:01 pm
Noted. To be violated in this manner is and can be overwhelming to the core of one's soul. I do not believe you can ever forget the pain it causes. It is heartbreaking and tragic this young woman suffered such an ordeal and lost her life because of it.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 7:09 pm
"I know as a parent, I feel if my child would confess something like this to a professional, I damned well better be notified, so I can protect my child and get her the help she so desperately needed. If not, I am going to hold that professional responsible for a tragedy that could have been avoided.
I understand the confidentiality between an adult and a professional, but by law, anything like this with a child must be reported!!"

Charles you are right and this was a minor. I don't know about British law, but that should be a universal. That it was not reported is the worst betrayal.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 8:24 pm
I have been reading all the comments on this story about this bright young lady. I want to say I am very saddened that Anna Marie has left this world at such an early age.
I can't determine if the suicide is a result of the endless bullying she was being subjected to, if it is because of the trauma that is never ending when one is violated by rape or if it is a mixture of both. I can say that I know the feelings she may have felt from either and those feelings are deep and they scar forever. I feel awful for this child that had so much to give, but had to live with these disturbing feelings and memories.
Maybe Anna Marie was afraid to reveal the rape for fear it would be worse for her, maybe she was being threatened more dreadful things by the abuser, we may never know.
I don't know the laws about if the nurse did wrong or not. But I know that what is most important is the child and what is best for the child.
Perhaps the nurse thought she was doing what was best. But in my own opinion (and some may or may not agree) I feel the nurse should have convinced Anna Marie to reveal this information to the police and her parents. And if Anna still refused, the nurse should have done all she had in her power to PROTECT this child. (And any other that this man may have been abusing or still could abuse) If that meant disclosing information that was said in confidence then so be it.
But first make sure the child is in complete safety with those that could help her to deal with the tragic things that has happened to her.
If Anna Marie took her life because she felt she could not take anymore of the suffering in her soul from the rapes and then the bullying only made things worse. She felt she had no one to turn to and no one could help her through her pain. I have been there and still am sometimes, and I know these feelings. It is very hard to say what is right and wrong in the situation. We don't know what had been going on in the home, if this rapist was family, why she felt she had to keep it a secret. (Most children do) But she is also a teen and maybe couldn't see outside of the trauma she was living. Maybe if the right ones knew of what was going on, they could have reached into her heart and hugged it tight and said "I am here for you because I care. I want to keep you safe now." Maybe Anna would still be alive and the rapist would be in prison. In my opinion, the nurse should have told the proper ones what she knew as soon as possible. To get this child some help, so that she would have not felt so alone and afraid. I agree that the nurse should have done anything and everything that would have helped this child to have not had to fight this alone so that she felt she must end her life.
Another broken soul from violation. So unfair and so horribly tragic. So misunderstood, yet crystal clear.

Blacktiger P (247)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 10:03 pm
Yes, I too know how lost she must have felt. Who remembers the Zoot-Zooter gangs of the 1950's????At the age of 16, I was gang-raped by 16 males in an "initiation". Ya some initiation, both for me and the sad boy that they grabbed me for. I was a farm girl virgin, and when they finished with me they dumped my on the hospital doorstep. In those days the girl was to blame if something like this happened. IF I had told the cops it may have had a few hours investigation, but in the end it would be "Well boys will be boys" At almost 69 yrs of age I can still see their faces. So IF I'M A BITCH, MEN MADE ME THAT WAY. Thank the Goddess I have lived through it, and have put myself available to all who need the understanding. Nothing like experience to be consoling. True understanding.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 10:42 pm
So sorry, Lamargo. In fiction, those guys would be hunted down and killed one by one. In reality they go through life exploiting and discriminating against females and helping each other succeed--that's what so-called "male bonding" is all about, committing crimes and protecting each other from the consequences. Even knowing that it was a long time ago, and that you have used your tragedy to become an angel for others, I still wish it was fiction so somebody would hunt those guys down one by one and say, "This is from Lamargo." I know that sounds violent and vengeful, but it is a natural feeling, and because you chose to help others instead, you are obviously NOT a bitch. Thank for for sharing what must still be a painful memory, and for your work.

Maria Lucila Gomez (287)
Wednesday September 5, 2007, 11:34 am
Ufff, I only would say NOTED!...Please, more respect for this child. She´s a victim trough the circunstances.

Belinda Velasquez (3)
Wednesday September 5, 2007, 4:30 pm
Oh, you poor baby, I will pray for you. How sad that those who were to protect you failed to do their jobs. I grieve for you dear one, God hold you in his loving arms. Peace and Love

Charles C (160)
Wednesday September 5, 2007, 11:28 pm
Thank you everyone for your comments and opinions and my apologies for those that chose to disrupt rather than to stick to the issue.....sorry.

Danielle Stanton (23)
Thursday September 6, 2007, 8:33 am
So sad. So much unnecessary loss. Everything should have been done to prevent this. I agree the nurse should have told. Maybe the young lady would still be alive and would have help to overcome this as much as possible. Really sad she felt she had to deal with this alone and decided ending her life was the answer. Children should never have to deal with things alone. Sadly noted.

Past Member (0)
Friday September 7, 2007, 3:23 pm

Joyce C (17)
Friday September 7, 2007, 4:11 pm
It seems to me that in the course of this discussion, the point that a young girl took her own life has been forgotten. I am not one to usually post on boards, but I did post to an apathy appeal and so therefore am making an effort to try and be more active. But I digress. Anyone who has suffered this sort of trauma probably understands that the last thing we want at that time is for the world to know. Also in so many cases the victim ends up being portrayed as something so heinous, it's just not worth it. I agree that some sort of counseling and follow up should have happened to this poor girl. But there are many many cases never reported, and the cycle continues. I think the most important thing we can do is to teach our children that they are not responsible when preyed upon. That we bring them up with clear ideas on what is appropriate and not. We tend to shroud sexuality in such a myth and make it all so hush hush, that we often cause these children to feel guilty and don't allow them to express their rage and the other immense feelings that crash into them when something like this happens. I mourn for her, and myself all over again when I read this sort of story.

Kathleen R (983)
Friday September 7, 2007, 7:01 pm
HAVING LOST A SON TO SUICIDE, MY HEART IS SO VERYBROKEN FOR ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, THIER FAMILIES AND THEIR FRIENDS!!!! The only reason I sometimes don't tell folks about it is due THEIR pre-conceived judgements and lack of experience. I am not ashamed of my how my son died, nor of my daughter being raped -- I would prefer to help other people learn more because of it. I did everything a good, loving, though low-income, parent can do to avoid both occurances. LOVE YOUR KIDS NO MATTER WHAT & ALWAYS!!!

Past Member (0)
Friday September 7, 2007, 7:32 pm
Sorry Cathleen, for your great loss, thank you for your pattern for living, your reward is that God lead the way into a brighter and less trouble day.and a peaceful tomorrow. peace & light.

Bill McGlone (103)
Saturday September 8, 2007, 6:00 am
The "system" once again fails the people,this time in loss of innocence and life!!

Sam F (1)
Saturday September 8, 2007, 2:31 pm
This is disgusting: the scummy rapist gets to go free when his tormented victim kills herself and nobody does a thing to stop him. Why? And that idiot nurse! How can she be trusted after what she's done?

Cheryl B (375)
Saturday September 8, 2007, 7:09 pm
noted, and should have been reported. They changed the laws here regarding abuse, so poliice could lay charges because the victiims, usually females were too scared to, or in the love/hate adn would go back. As a rape suvivor myself several times and almost killed, and went through PTSD quite severe, you need help. It was also a time when women were blamed, many still are, even though it was and is not your fault. Also she was still a minor. When the balance of coping skills are not balanced you need help as much as you can get and as much support as you can get.

Charles you did an fine job handling this, it obviously got out of control. I commend you on your patience sir!

Uhoud A (184)
Monday September 10, 2007, 12:16 pm
I fell sorry for that young nice girl.. what happen to her is herable.. who rabe her nust charge.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 12, 2007, 1:31 pm
Notd charles.Our whole legal system is f***ed up my friend, until the government gets back from whatever planet they are living on and drags our legal system into the 21st century this will carry on. it makes me sick!

Kathleen R (983)
Wednesday September 12, 2007, 4:20 pm
Kevin, you are right! Besides losing one a beloved brother, my kids have now lost a few cousins and several good friends -- all in just 10 years!!! Folks wonder about anger in kids & younger adults, yet they don't seem to look hard enough at the whole picture to see there ARE reasons for such lack of optimism & hope. Teens graduate only to find there are NO JOBS, or there are only low-wage jobs which does not support them. It happens to college graduates, too!! Humans need to truly care about other humans!

Ann Stickel (12)
Friday September 14, 2007, 10:27 pm
Sadly noted. As a nurse who works with children this is a hard situation to be in. When at all possible it is important to maintain the childs need for privacy. But, we are also mandated reporters, and there are ways of protecting both the privacy and the child's life. This is a very sad loss of a young life and the professional life of a nurse. Ann

Tassa Rose (13)
Saturday September 15, 2007, 5:34 am
Thanks, Charles for reporting "another tragic case" which of course COULD HAVE been stopped; had the nurse taken this young lady, Anna Maria, seriously. Again...beyond words. Justice was not done for this perp. All we can do is to continue to "Fight the Good Fight" for every man, woman, and child, by signing Petitions for JUSTICE, and by observing closely WHAT GOES ON AROUND US. Let the Change Begin With Me, as Ghandi wisely said, "BE the Change that you want to SEE in the WORLD." RIP, Anna Maria

Diane E (0)
Monday March 18, 2019, 2:27 am
Poor confused young person. She deserves justice.

Donna T (0)
Monday March 18, 2019, 7:58 am
thank you

Ann B (76)
Wednesday March 20, 2019, 12:09 pm
BOY VOLUMES HERE..there should be a difference between confidentiality and saving a life
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