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How do you think animals see us? August 04, 2004 12:00 PM

Dogs have a warped perception of us, or maybe they see our potential, either way they don't count. How do you think other animals see us? Most are afraid, with good reason, but beyond that, say for example you rescue a cockatoo from a burning building or an abusive home, do they feel gratitude? This requires consciousness that they were in a bad situation to begin with, and that you alone relieved them of it. I think it could be possible. The abusive home is a better example than a burning building because the latter is a direct threat to their life, which would cause base fear, while the abusive home represents a more vague threat, causing more prolonged suffering. What do you think? Feel free to come up with other examples.  [ send green star]
 
 August 04, 2004 9:08 PM

I am quite certain they do. In the situation you mentioned, with some TLC-that bird will know sensitivity to his needs, and love....and be thankful for the differences in touch, tone of voice, etc. Using a strange example-I saved a toad recently(at first I thought it was a large tree frog, but once cleaned off from all the yuck/mud-I saw it wasn't)from getting eaten by a cat. That little guy has stayed around my front door for days.....and when I come outside-he is not at all afraid-he kind of meanders towards me just a little...and as long as I move slowly-he is not afraid; I pick him up, hold him for a few seconds, and then put him back down to go catch whatever it is he's wanting to eat....but he has always been nearby. So-I do think he is grateful; that he knew his life was in danger-and that I pose no threat to him.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
proabably August 06, 2004 3:11 AM

depending o the animal as very big (or small) deaf/blind/no sense of smell/slow etc. flightless/unable to swim properly.... pick an animal trait that we lack. people see animals as 'dumb brutes' ie. as lacking those essential 'human' qualities of compassion and intelligence - both of which are noticeably lacking from the modern human race. so maybe animals see us as pathetic for lacking their particular valuable quality. but we are assuming that animals think like humans - who knows how they think?  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 August 06, 2004 3:20 AM

I think they see us as pathetic in regards to wearing clothes...we are lacking seriously in the fur department. I wonder if they give us any credit for ingenuity for wearing protection, but they do not seem to be able to figure out why we keep changing the faux fur we wear...  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Not exactly an answer August 13, 2004 1:48 PM

It would be appropriate to pose the question here, why or for what possible reason would we believe that they do not have "higher" emotions? I believe what is being termed as "higher" here is only normal and natural. It is only man that lives in antagonism with nature. We deliberately step outside of the loop that we depend on for life itself. (SMART!) I am in complete agreement that humanity as a whole is lacking of the most fundamental qualities that would indicate a higher state of being. (Love, mercy, honesty, justice) So we have technology, big f***ing deal, crows and monkeys can use tools too. (Yeah, but can they build a nuke or engineer a bioweapon? - like I said, SMART!) Perhaps we were intended to be "higher" creatures at one time as we only use about ten percent of our grey matter but we appear to have thwarted that design.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Oops, posted to the wrong thread August 13, 2004 1:51 PM

The downside of tabbed browsing  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 August 16, 2004 11:35 AM

Every animal is an individual just as humans are. I know my guinea pigs love me as I love them - they see me as someone to talk to, to play with, someone to be affectionate with (I get lots of kisses and snuggles), someone who brings them food and water, someone who cleans their cage... I don't yell at them, I don't hit them, I treat them well. They run to me when I let them run around my room during exercise time because they know I will let them run until they tell me they want to go back into the cage (a little nibble on my finger). I pig sat another guinea pig for a couple weeks once. The owners, who had only good intentions, were excited that Timmy would get to interact with other pigs. They said he never came out of his igloo house and would run to hide when they came to see him. That to me is an unhappy guinea pig. When he came here, he was always ON TOP of his igloo! Watching what was going around in my room, talking to me and the other pigs. He had a ball! I let him run around my room and he sang the entire time! He was happy. Then when his owners came to pick him up, he ran to hide again. It made me sad. So I gave them some tips on how to treat him better, so that he can be as happy with them as he was on his "vacation". Since going home, he's been much more social and happy. He felt suffocated before I think - his family has a 4 year old boy and a 10 year old girl. They would maul him. So he didn't think highly of them, didn't want to be aroung them. The same way humans are. If an animal is in the wild and has never seen a human before, he/she will probably run away. They might approach you cautiously if they are brave enough, but I'm pretty sure they would watch you from afar to make sure you are a friendly creature who means no harm to them. From there it all depends on how you treat them. If you are a hunter with a gun who only goes to the jungle to kill, obviously you will not be greated with smiles and love - they will run away. However if you are a gorilla tracker in the Congo, the gorillas get used to you and will trust whoever is with you because you are there. Friends of mine have experienced this. If the tracker leaves, the gorillas run away. But if the tracker is with them, they can get up close and see the gorillas because the gorillas trust the tracker. It's amazing! So if you want to see gorillas, go with a tracker! ;) That's why it took Jane Goodall a good three months before she even SAW a chimpanzee. They had to get to know her first. Now the chimps of Gombe are used to humans and are friendly with them for the most part. You get what you give in my opinion.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
I am a vet nurse September 11, 2004 9:20 AM

and I wonder all the time about how they see us. We see animals in such horrid conditions, abused, abandoned...and yet so many of them will give us a friendly tail wag or a lick on the cheek after being in our care for only a few minutes. It's truly amazing each and every time it happens. Then of course, there are those who have been so deeply scarred that they refuse any contact and are actively hostile toward us, no matter how good our intentions are. I believe they are all individuals...so there is no catch-all "this is how they see us" answer...but generally, they seem to trust us...though I have no idea why. I do know that for the most part, they sense intent. I am also a wildlife rehabber, and I have been able to handle totally wild injured animals because we had an understanding...I was there to help. I was called out to release a coyote from a leg-hold trap (medieval torture devices that should be turned back on those who set them...excuse my personal rant) and the women who called me were terrified of the coyote...so of course he growled and slobbered and bared his teeth...all while enduring unimaginable pain. So they called me AND the cops (never a good idea...almost never, anyway...the cops always offer to "shoot it" as if that's helpful) The cop stood there, gun drawn as I opened the trap alone, cleaned the wound alone, salved it alone, and set a bandage that would fall off in a few days, alone. Not a shot was fired, not a tooth was bared, and the coyote sat quite still the whole time I cleaned and bandaged him. He knew I was helping. When I told him I was done and wanted to see him test his leg, he got up, limped around a bit, and then really walked on it. We were lucky...we caught it only hours after he stepped in the trap so there was no gangrene or anything like that. He took off at an easy gait and I did see him a few days later, walking like normal. It was a happy thing.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
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