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1 year ago

As TAS said, her other thread was getting long so here is our new one.   I believe she only wants chat pertaining to the indian pictures and comments and questions about Native American things in this thread.  Right, TAS?  Correct me if I'm wrong.   For conversation on how we are doing and our daily lives, lets go to the Chit Chat thread for that so that we can keep this thread on topic.   Thanks!


Here's a link to the  previous thread:



1 year ago

Vicky,the only thing keeps you from being a politician,you are not crooked enough.But you have all of the good attributes,if I can say polititians have any good attributes.


What is the medicine path?

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1 year ago

Marie, do not post anymore vulgar or obscene language or graphics like the one I deleted.   That is very disrespectful to everyone. Thank you.


Kaya, I guess my new name will be 'Congressman Vicky'.  hahahaha!     I'm not sure what the medicine path is but you can ask TAS.  


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1 year ago

Marie, TAS said she wants indian things in the Medicine Path thread.   Pictures, stories, poems, etc., so unless Pete Seeger is indian or plays indian music or something then those pictures should be posted in the Chit Chat thread like we said before as that thread was created for conversations and non indian things.   Of course it is up to TAS; we'll see what see says..  Just saying

1 year ago

 photo teepee_zps348ade2e.jpg  An Oglala Lakota tipi, 1891


Tipi   (this info from Wikipedia)


A tipi[1] (also tepee[2] and teepee[3][4]) is a conical tent, traditionally made of animal skins, and wooden poles.[5][6] The tipi was used by the nomadic tribes of the Great Plains.[7][8][9] Tipis are stereotypically associated with Native Americans in the United States in general, however Native Americans from places other than the Great Plains mostly used different types of dwellings.[1][note 1] The tipi is durable,[10] provides warmth and comfort in winter,[11] is cool in the heat of summer,[note 2] and is dry during heavy rains.[12][13] Tipis could be disassembled and packed away quickly when a tribe decided to move and could be reconstructed quickly upon settling in a new area.[14][15][note 3] This portability was important to Plains Indians with their nomadic lifestyle.[16


read more here:

1 year ago

I like the picture of the little girl and notice the dog lying nearby.  I've been in a reconstructed tepee and it was larger inside than I thought it would be.  Room for everything and a cooking area in the center. I only wished for more window type areas as it was rather dark inside. 

1 year ago

Medicine Wheel


The Medicine Wheel is representative of American Indian Spirituality. The Medicine Wheel symbolizes the individual journey we each must take to find our own path. Within the Medicine Wheel are The Four Cardinal Directions and the Four Sacred Colors. The Circle represents the Circle of Life and the Center of the Circle, the Eternal Fire. The Eagle, flying toward the East, is a symbol of strength, endurance and vision. East signifies the renewal of life and the rebirth of Cherokee unity.

East = Red = success; triumph
North = Blue = defeat; trouble
West = Black = death
South = White = peace; happiness

There are three additional sacred directions:
Up Above = Yellow
Down Below = Brown
Here in the Center = Green

The color for North is Blue which represents sadness, defeat.
It is a season of survival and waiting.
The Cherokee word for North means "cold" u-yv-tlv.

The color for East is Red which represents victory, power.
Spring is the re-awakening after a long sleep,
victory over winter; the power of new life.
The Cherokee word for East is ka-lv-gv

The color for South is White for peace, happiness & serenity.
Summer is a time of plenty.
The Cherokee word for South means "warm" u-ga-no-wa.

The color for West is Black which represents death.
Autumn is the final harvest; the end of Life's Cycle.
The Cherokee word for West is wu-de-li-gv.

RED was symbolic of success. It was the color of the war club used to strike an enemy in battle as well as the other club used by the warrior to shield himself. Red beads were used to conjure the red spirit to insure long life, recovery from sickness, success in love and ball play or any other undertaking where the benefit of the magic spell was wrought.

BLACK was always typical of death. The soul of the enemy was continually beaten about by black war clubs and enveloped in a black fog. In conjuring to destroy an enemy, the priest used black beads and invoked the black spirits-which always lived in the West,-bidding them to tear out the man's soul and carry it to the West, and put it into the black coffin deep in the black mud, with a black serpent coiled above it.

BLUE symbolized failure, disappointment, or unsatisfied desire. To say "they shall never become blue" expressed the belief that they would never fail in anything they undertook. In love charms, the lover figuratively covered himself with red and prayed that his rival would become entirely blue and walk in a blue path. "He is entirely blue, " approximates meaning of the common English phrase, "He feels blue. "The blue spirits lived in the North.

WHITE denoted peace and happiness. In ceremonial addresses, as the Green Corn Dance and ball play, the people symbolically partook of white food and, after the dance or game, returned along the white trail to their white houses. In love charms, the man, to induce the woman to cast her lost with his, boasted, "I am a white man," implying that all was happiness where he was. White beads had the same meaning in bead conjuring, and white was the color of the stone pipe anciently used in ratifying peace treaties. The White spirits lived in the South.

Two numbers are sacred to the Cherokee. Four is one number, it represented the four primary directions. At the center of their paths lays the sacred fire. Seven is the other and most sacred number. Seven is represented in the seven directions: north, south, east, west, above, bellow, and "here in the center" the place of the sacred fire. Seven also represented the seven ancient ceremonies that formed the yearly Cherokee religious cycle

1 year ago

Wow, you guys have been busy.

There was an oil spill here in the harbour

And I was sick for a few days

The students have become the master. 

Lila wopila icicapelo, THANK YOU. 

1 year ago

The medicine path, leads us to self awareness and respect for nature. 

Simple and pure.sometimes called the red road.

1 year ago

Pete seeger, the late mr seeger was a folk singer who became a sailboat captain with a large boat that cleaned up the Hudson river in nyc. For this example of a well intentioned person, who wasn't Native American, but cared about the environment, we shall not delete him.He embodies the white man in a medicine path of his own, for the Good of the planet. .anyone can walk the red road. 

As a little tidbit; I have sailed with him, and grieve the loss of kindred spirit. 

Marie, this one stays, please no more off topic posts.

Thanks Vicky for opening the new thread.

June , just wow, you've been doing some research! 

1 year ago

Hi TAS.  How awful about the oil good for anyone or anything.   We are still recovering from the BP oil spill 2 years ago.   The poor sealife are still recovering.     I hope you are feeling better and thank you for teaching us indian words.  Not sure what tribe they're from but they sound beautiful.  How awesome that you knew and sailed with Pete Seeger; I love the song "Where have all the flowers gone".  


June, thank you so much for all the information on the Medicine wheel!   It is all so very interesting. 


Not sure if this man is dressed for war or not; is there a way to tell what tribe he is from?


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trophies from union soldiers
1 year ago

adorn this brave's attire

not uncommon.Looks like he is readying for battle,but no face makeup?

cannot tell the tribe,looks like a plains Indian though.

I think this pic is from the 1900's ,although I cannot be sure

looks like a sepia tone photo colored in as was the fashion in the beginning of the 1900's

I have a few "sawyer's" which are the same sepia colored photos.

The Beading on the Bow looks ceremonial,but again cannot be sure

where did you get the pic,Vicky,could shed some light...

on an unrelated note,I forgot to mention the name of seeger's boat was the S/V Clearwater,maybe you remember it,cleaned the Hudson.

1 year ago

Carlene, I forgot to mention you in my post yesterday.....I like the little girl too.  She is one of the reasons I picked that picture.  For some reason it gives me the impression that it was a cold day when it was taken.   


TAS, I got the pic from the internet amongst other indian pictures.  I liked the way he looked.   No, I've never heard of the Clearwater.   Sorry.   I caught the end of 'Dances with Wolves' today and I read where it said that the Sioux finally surrendered to the white men and that all the buffalo were gone (at least in that area) because of the white men.   Brought tears to my eyes and made me mad & sick at the same time!

1 year ago

Remember our tipi dichotomy?

Takes 30 bison hides to make one.

Nostalgia is great, but tipis made from hide are 90, 000$ at 3, 000 ! A hide, big business for casino ndns.

We decided that the tipi should be history, like slavery (native American tribes did keep them, usually prisoners of tribal warfare)

1 year ago

A little bit more about the medicine wheel, June, it says west, death, but the Lakota call it death as an advisor, so you can prioritize your life and live without fear of death. ..other small facts to add to your post, will try to find the time. 

Thanks for posting this! 

1 year ago

Ok, lots of different colors and philosophies between the Cherokee wheel and the Lakota Sioux wheel.

North is white not blue, and doesn't represent defeat, it symbolizes the air, east is yellow, for fire, south is red, represents water, innocence, animal totem the mouse, north the grizzly bear, west the buffalo, black, death as an advisor, east is the eagle as well, they Don't use blue.

So many different colors and symbols, TRULY EACH TRIBE IS LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ADAPTATION OF THE FOUR ELEMENTS, DIRECTIONS, AND THE LAKOTA ALSO HAVE FOUR SEASONAL CLANS, you belong to the one that represents the time of year you were born in. 

There is more, but I think I am only confusing things. 

1 year ago

thanks very much tasunka..learning everyday

1 year ago

Wow, I didn't realize that it took so many bison to make a tipi, TAS.  I don't understand what you mean by 90,000 $ at 3,000.   Can you explain?   Do you mean they are still making tipis and that the casinos are using them (selling?).   Back when there were millions of bison and the indians needed the hides for homes then that is understandable; at least they didn't kill them just to be killing like the BLM does now.   And they fed their families with them so there was no waste.    Now they are killed for nothing other than they are in 'cattle area', which is actuall BISON territory.     I don't understand the interesting wheel info and I definitely get confused but thanks for explaining anyway.

1 year ago

Is native American history month

Hope to get some good posts in! 

1 year ago

DOD Celebrates National Native American Heritage Month


By Army Sgt. 1st Class Tyrone C. Marshall Jr.
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, Nov. 1, 2013 – The Defense Department will celebrate the accomplishments and contributions of Native Americans and Alaska natives during November in observance of National Native American Heritage Month. 


November was designated as such by President George H.W. Bush in 1990. In a joint interview with American Forces Press Service and the Pentagon Channel, Joe Sarcinella, DOD's senior advisor and liaison for Native American Affairs, discussed the department's efforts to recognize Native Americans and their contributions to the country dating back to Revolutionary War. 


DOD is really committed to celebrating all sorts of diversity -- race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation,” Sarcinella said. “I really feel that they’re leading the charge and November just happens to be that time of the year when we can focus on Native Americans.”


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Hi Vicky
1 year ago

I find it weird that they picked November,with it culminating with "thanksgiving" which has always been a point of contention,that i don't think a remembrance month is going to assuage.

Not to be an isolationist,as I cannot claim 100% red heritage myself, I just find it somewhat ironic.

1 year ago

A Sioux Prayer Translated by Chief Yellow Lark - 1887

Oh, Great Spirit, whose voice I hear in the winds
Whose breath gives life to the world, hear me
I come to you as one of your many children
I am small and weak
I need your strength and wisdom

May I walk in beauty
Make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset.
Make my hands respect the things you have made
And my ears sharp to your voice.
Make me wise so that I may know the things you have taught your children.

The lessons you have written in every leaf and rock
Make me strong--------!
Not to be superior to my brothers, but to fight my greatest enemy....myself

Make me ever ready to come to you with straight eyes,
So that when life fades as the fading sunset,
May my spirit come to you without shame

1 year ago

i don't believe -- 

1 year ago

As a little tidbit; I have sailed with him, and grieve the loss of kindred spirit. 

You didn't play with Pete Seeger ok and sorry... but to sail with Pete Seeger is so great.  And all he did for the Hudson...


Thanks again, you made my day and night lol...


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1 year ago

Before I leave the Cafe I just want to say:

I listened to Pete Seeger and if you feel for:

Happy Birthday Pete Seeger (90)  He is 93 today

with Bruce Springsteen Joan Baez Tommy Sands Many more on

Youtube.  I suggest highly. 

You'll really discover a great one. 

Good night,

Marie ; )

1 year ago

Sailor Good Night --

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6 hrs ago                            

i don't believe -- says Marie

what's to believe?

this is a metaphor for enjoying and appreciating the earth ,life and humility

take the word creator, or god out

and use the wisdom as if you are the creator of your world ,because I believe that!!!!!!!!!

yes thankx tas, i just checked and he is still alive at 94.  Wife passed away.

1 year ago

I snagged from my friend Nancy as you can read on it... Beautiful

1 year ago

Pretty graphic with the feathers, Marie.  


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"happy thanksgiving pilgrims"John Wayne joke
1 year ago

I am all for religious FREEDOM
1 year ago

No offense should be taken..

But religion should never be forced on someone,or a group or nation.

The irony is that the pilgrims came to America for religious freedom,but were such hypocrites that they tried to enslave the Natives, when they realized that we would rather fight and die ,rather than be their slaves...they called us savages.,they assumed that it  would be right to take another people's religious freedom away,because they thought they had superior knowledge...intolerant and extremely dangerous attitude,same as the crusades.

1 year ago

One's choice of religion is a matter of the heart and spirit.If it be forced,it is anything but that,so it is not truly theirs.It is ok to present your beliefs ,religion,or whatever you call it,but it is wrong to force conversions.I do not think God,the great spirit,Jesus,Jah,Yahweh,or whatever you call Almighty,would approve.If it will not come from heart and spirit , He does not want it.And to brutalise people,enslave,steal,and force thei religion on them is abomination.

thanks,a global view
1 year ago

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A little wisdom from Miss Texas Kitty
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1 year ago

Great quotes TAS....the one at the top regarding the earth is very sad and very true.   TAS did you change the order of this thread with the newest on top?   I don't like it because when I type at the bottom and if I can't remember what someone says and that I want to respond to it, then I have to scroll all the way back to the top, read it (and hope I remember lol) then go back down to the bottom to post my reply.   However this is your thread and if you prefer it this way then that is fine.     Oh, what is Miss Texas Kitty?  lol

1 year ago

No problem Vivian

Miss texas Kitty,is a care2 friend who puts news on once in awhile,her real name is just Kit,but she loves cats and is from texas,hence her nickname.

I snagged the pic from a pm she sent me.

I am glad you appreciate it,as I did,even though it is truly depressing!

1 year ago

If you don't know, I can't remember, my ex is staying or ??? with Lady Ruth with her 8 cats.  I don't have to say more.


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which wolf are you?
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I have always loved that quote, TAS.  I can't remember what tribe's proverb that is.   I am going to post both of your quotes on Facebook.  My friends will love them.  How did you do those upside down question marks?  lol


Hello June, Kaya, Marie and any of the other ladies should they stop in.

me too
1 year ago

I thought the quote was very inspirational, you know, try to feed the wolf on the right.  Thanks Tas.

I am all 3,wait,,,,,,,
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the third wolf is a WOMAN
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sorry tas can only copy the pictures of others here...

Like it so much that one.  *biggestgin* to answer at ????? and yours following kaya... can't make ? upside down. 

1 year ago

The 3 wolves are beautiful, TAS and also the women & wolves quote. 


Hi Marie.  How are you feeling today?


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1 year ago

with your question mark????? I mean, in case I didn't tell you he is living with Lady R... and her 8 cats, in a 2 bedrooms apt.  My English is going down as other things, anyway most of you doesn't speak other language than English. So, and  

1 year ago

Vicky, if you read in the other topic...

It will answer your ??

1 year ago


Photo: A beautiful life does not just happen, it is built daily by prayer, hard work, sacrifice, and love

1 year ago

hello everyone.

1 year ago

It is ok,Tasunka.No one does.It's all good. Right,Kaya?

I reposted the orange pic
1 year ago

in the cafe, because we are not using non Medicinal path pics ,and I forgot what thread I was in.

I had said,I have no idea,wth she is talking about

and that sentiment remains.

Yes, Gabra,sweetie

it's all good,except the part we need not contemplate,for it is useless,I fear.

1 year ago

Brooklyn Botanical Garden NY  ---  I posted an orange for you tas

1 year ago

A Brief History of the Cherokee Nation
A Proud Heritage

It was a spirit of survival and perseverance that carried the Cherokee to Indian Territory on the Trail of Tears. Today, it is the same spirit leading the Cherokee.
Since earliest contact with European explorers in the 1500s, the Cherokee Nation has been identified as one of the most advanced among Native American tribes. Cherokee culture thrived for thousands of years in the southeastern United States before European contact. After contact, Cherokee society and culture continued to develop, progressing with acquisitions from European settlers. Soon, we had shaped a bicultural government and a society that matched the most civilized of the time.
In the 1830s, gold was discovered in Georgia. The settlers began to covet the Cherokee homelands, and a period of Indian Removals began to make way for more white settlement. In 1838, thousands of Cherokee men, women and children were rounded up and marched 1,000 miles to Indian Territory, known today as the state of Oklahoma. Thousands died in the internment camps, on the trail, and after arrival (due to the effects of the journey.)

In Indian Territory, the Cherokee soon rebuilt a democratic form of government, churches, schools, newspapers and businesses. A new constitution was adopted in September of 1839, the same year the final group of Cherokee arrived on the Trail of Tears. Tahlequah, the new Cherokee capital, and nearby Park Hill, became hubs of business activity and centers of cultural activity in Indian Territory. In 1844, the Cherokee Advocate, printed in both the Cherokee and English languages, became the first newspaper in Indian Territory, and the first in a Native American language. The Cherokee Messenger was its first periodical. Soon, the Cherokees educational system of 144 elementary schools and two higher education institutes, the Cherokee Male and Female Seminaries, rivaled all others. Many white settlements bordering the Cherokee Nation took advantage of the superior school system, and paid tuition to have their children attend the Cherokee schools.

In Indian Territory, the Cherokee soon rebuilt a democratic form of government, churches, schools, newspapers and businesses. A new constitution was adopted in September of 1839, the same year the final group of Cherokee arrived on the Trail of Tears. Tahlequah, the new Cherokee capital, and nearby Park Hill, became hubs of business activity and centers of cultural activity in Indian Territory. In 1844, the Cherokee Advocate, printed in both the Cherokee and English languages, became the first newspaper in Indian Territory, and the first in a Native American language. The Cherokee Messenger was its first periodical. Soon, the Cherokees educational system of 144 elementary schools and two higher education institutes, the Cherokee Male and Female Seminaries, rivaled all others. Many white settlements bordering the Cherokee Nation took advantage of the superior school system, and paid tuition to have their children attend the Cherokee schools.
Other bilingual materials, which had been made possible by Sequoyahs syllabary in 1821, led the Cherokee people to a level of literacy higher than their white counterparts, all before Oklahoma statehood in 1907.
The Cherokee rebuilt a progressive lifestyle from remnants of the society and the culture we were forced to leave behind. The years between the removal and the 1860s were called the Cherokee Golden Age, a period of prosperity that ended with division over the Civil War. After the Civil War, more Cherokee lands and rights were taken by the government due to the Cherokee being persuaded to side with the Confederacy at one point during the war. What remained of Cherokee tribal land was divided into individual allotments which were given to Cherokees listed in the census compiled by the Dawes Commission in the late 1890s. Descendants of those original enrollees make up todays Cherokee Nation tribal citizenship.

The Cherokee Nation is the second largest Indian tribe in the United States. There are more than 200,000 tribal members. Almost 70,000 of these Cherokees reside in the 7,000 square mile area of the Cherokee Nation which is not a reservation, but a jurisdictional service area that includes all of eight counties and portions of six in northeastern Oklahoma.
Today, the Cherokee Nation is a leader in education, housing, vocational training, business and economic development.
As a federally-recognized Indian tribe, the Cherokee Nation has both the opportunity and the sovereign right to exercise control and development over tribal assets, which includes 66,000 acres of land, as well as 96 miles of the Arkansas Riverbed.




Hope I am understanding what this thread is about + posting the right things?

1 year ago

Great information,June

let it also be known that the Cherokees have beautiful art that centers  around corn,(maize) as they are farmers of it!

And the Largest tribe is the Great Sioux nation.

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1 year ago

Great information, June.  I never realized that the Cherokee Nation was so large and has businesses, schools and art centers.   TAS, since I am not familiar with the various tribes and you say that the Sioux is the largest tribe then I assume that the Cherokee Nation is second largst?  Beautiful pink trees, Gabra and Marie yours are pretty, too.


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From Junes Post
1 year ago

"The Cherokee Nation is the second largest Indian tribe in the United States"

Yes,Vicky , that's right,it was right there in Junee's post

which is why I named the largest..

I also forgot to mention that the Cherokee are the tribe who do all the beautiful basket weaving.

The Sioux do Beadwork, the Zuni make fetishes, Navajo turquise art and beautiful blankets.......etc

June's Post
1 year ago

Good to learn more about the different tribes.  June, thanks for posting it and  I love the pix of the little cat in your avatar.

1 year ago

Thanks TAS on the explanation of the various tribes and their specific arts.   Very interesting.

Been doing some research
1 year ago

on the Cherokee,they are an amazing tribe

and share my love of crystals, I believe they have power

and the Cherokee are known to heal with them, quite effectively!!

a gr8 metaphor
1 year ago

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Hello, now I can PM but no copy and paste too bad i had something great to answer to you tas -Jon Stewart...



1 year ago

TAS, be sure to read what I posted in a new thread about Sarah Palin.  What an idiot and a prejudiced one at that!

was all ready to go on the warpath
1 year ago

Good to know that she isn't as much of an imbecile as they made her out to be

But it was so believable,that speaks volumes about s.palin

I actually repeated it and now have to go retract it.lmao

It is truly Believable!!

1 year ago

Me, too, TAS.  I had to apologize for my rash posting about Sarah but I left the thread there since we all started conversing about other things.   I LOVE your graphic above.



1 year ago

Elder's Meditation of the Day - November 30th photo EldersMeditationoftheDay-November30th_zpsb105ddcc.jpg

"Someone must speak for them. I do not see a delegation for the four footed. I see no seat for eagles. We forget and we consider ourselves superior, but we are after all a mere part of the Creation."  -- Oren Lyons, ONONDAGA


Whenever we make decisions, we need to look around to see who would be affected. If we change the course of a river, who, what will be affected? If we put poison on the gardens, who, what will be affected? If wee cut the trees and too many are cut, who, what will be affected? We need to become aware of the consequences of our actions. We need to pay attention to our thoughts. We are accountable to our children to leave the Earth in good shape.  My Creator, help me make right decisions.

By: Don Coyhis


Thanks Vicky
1 year ago

That picture is my icon on a native American site I belong to. 

The elder meditation is exactly how I feel about the earth and it's inhabitants.!

1 year ago

thankx for the pictures, tas, i prefer the first one.

about palin oh la la... don't have time to loose with politicl

Enjoy your time.


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Kaya,you ar not subtle about what you are doing are you?Do you think that the knows? 

You make my day,lol.

1 year ago

the orange knows but doesn't care, imho

subtletly is lost on it,blinded by self centered obsession.

Gabra,you make life fun,too

Kaya,knows how I feel about her,and many other things about me

she just knows!!

Great big hugs to all buffs, even the fruity ones,lmao

Here's more orange, TAS hahaha!
1 year ago

I love, love, love the fruits with their smiling faces!  lol   The Elder Meditation is exactly how I feel also, TAS

I just found
1 year ago

My medicine path book.

Why don't we start a new thread sans the fruit? 

I'm going to be busy packing up for leaving again. 

But this thread is long enough, GOOD to end it laughing...

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