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Discuss: Happy Canada Day! OR Once you know the Truth, can you REALLY call yourself an Animal Lover? July 04, 2007 8:17 PM

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Jeffrey July 04, 2007 9:14 PM

So Canada needs a Revolution too huh?  [ send green star]
 
 July 06, 2007 3:44 PM

wow, seriously Jeffrey that's a great video... thank you.. it got to me without a doubt, touching me deeply.  Coincidentially, much like the terrifying, awful experiences many of our countries are going through, no country is alone in this "globalization" or "New World Order".

It is just gut wrenching, tears falling from my eyes..   that "they" get away with so much and with such dirty, evil tactics...

It's clearly just more proof of the so-called "secret societies" that have carried on for generations & generations...  more horrifying truth of what "they" won't do     

Personally, I am appauled by human & animal experimentations, vivisection and so on... it is so heart-breaking for me to see this video, my love for animals, mother nature, God's creature's, being so horribly, nightmarishly treated...      



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 September 12, 2007 10:40 AM

 What, the conspiracy's behind everything! there's a comment here that some video (which I can't seem to find) is more evidence of that secret societies run the world. Where do I even start. Ok lets look around at the world today on Sept 12 '07. Does it look like things are under control? Does this really look like the results of somebody's coherent plan. If the plan was to make American politicians weaker and less influential, to discredit the Bush family and demoralize the religous right, to free up the Iranian and Arab religous right so much that they have discredited themselves and forced thier moderate opponets to finally step up, while increasing feelings of cynicism and warweariness worldwide; then Mission Accomplished! Those however are not the motives of dangerous secret societies hoping to concentrate power and erode democracy. Isn't that the general accusation, that some secret groups are trying to concentrate power in thier own hands while keeping thier influence secret. Evidently, such efforts are failing are they not?  In 1991 we saw the power of a private video camera to spark massive race riots in LA.(Only after the Just-us system had a crack at dealing with the Rodney King incident) Isn't it logical to think that any world dominating secret society, worth worrying about, would have taken steps to restrict the free collection and distribution of video propaganda? Youtube could have been sued into submission ages ago but it hasn't been. Digital tech could have been suppresed but wasn't. Invading the middle east, as we also saw in '91, is possible if your self controled and have a real provocation. Instead we have a debacle thats undermining the two party system. No third party yet that's a problem!

 If anyone thinks that the conspiracy wants to restrict our freedoms but "can't for political/secrecy reasons" then I gotta ask what the F'ing problem is.  Seriosly! If they have to hide from us and have to let us have whatever powers we are truly determined to take, isn't that evidence that we are more powerful than them? Isn't that evidence that they don't run the world any more than we let them which in turn is a choice that we've made?

 I'm not so naive to think that there aren't conspiracies and cabals out there plotting to steal our power but niether do I worry about super plans spanning centuries and grasping for world control at the expense of ordinary day to day control. The whining I hear about bloodlines and satanic architechts frustrates me because it seems like an excuse for our powerlesness. If we have given away to much power then it's our responsibility to retake or rebuild it. It's not thier responsibility to hand it back just because we won at hide and seek. Frankly democracy should work whether there's a grand conspiracy or not. We decide whats important and act on it. Not we the rebel minority either, we the people the whole people. Thats who we have to change if we're unstaisfied and I assure you that proclaiming the world to be ruled by magic space reptiles will not move ordinary people to take action!

 Finally if anyone thinks that cruelty against animals and people is so unusual that it points to a conspiracy warping the normal flow of history, then it's because they haven't travelled in the Mediteranean basin. people do awful things because they are thinking and planning to little not to much.

 Ok now I've got those run on sentences off my chest so fire back I can take it.

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video on man's inhumanity to ourselves & animals. September 13, 2007 7:13 AM

I was so very saddened by this video - I had to stop watching after 20 minutes. This video leaves me with a feeling of despair - how has it come to this - we are the guardians of all animals, no matter how small or how large. We must all come together as a Nation and stop such horrendous practices of cruelty to animals. I pray for a day (not while I am alive, I am sure) when the world can live in Peace with other countries and we no longer allow the suffering of innocent creatures. Shirley H.  [ send green star]
 
 September 15, 2007 3:47 AM

Stop Animal Cruelty in Canada: Support Anti-Cruelty Laws

source:  http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=89447

 “Krista", a six-week-old kitten doused with gasoline, set ablaze, and thrown from a moving car in Richmond Hill, Ontario where she was left for dead.

Canada's current anti-cruelty laws for animals are totally inadequate, allowing those who neglect and abuse animals to repeat their crimes again and again with minimal consequences.  For eight years, Canada's government has stalled on the passage of tougher animal cruelty sentences.  We need your help to make sure that the new government updates the animal cruelty laws within the Criminal Code of Canada.

The main reason Canada remains largely ineffective in preventing animal cruelty is the lack of tough laws and large fines in cases of cruelty and neglect. For those who make a living from animal cruelty, such as puppy mill owners, the profitability far outweighs any penalties they may receive.

The current maximum fine for animal cruelty is a mere $2,000 and a possible two-year ban on animal ownership.  The laws have not been updated in more than 100 years. Meanwhile, the cruelty continues.  Each week there are more incidents like Libby, the two-year-old golden retriever-border collie mix recently found on her owner's doorstep with thirteen stab wounds.

Eight years is far too long to stop animal cruelty

First introduced in the House of Commons in December 1999, the anti-cruelty Bill has been known as C-17, C-15, C-15B, C-10, C-10B, C-22, C-50 and most recently C-373.  There has been adequate debate on the anti-animal cruelty bill amongst multiple stalls and failed passages, and during all this political wrangling animals continue to suffer heinous acts of cruelty.  When Parliament re-opens after the election, the Bill must be swiftly reintroduced in exactly the same form as Bill C-50 and no amendments.

The proposed amendments will make the following changes to the Criminal Code of Canada:

1. Remove animals from the property offences section of the Criminal Code, allowing for protection of animals that are not “owned”, such as strays and wildlife species.
2. Provide tougher penalties for those convicted of willful and unnecessary animal cruelty or neglect, including increasing penalties to five years in jail and fines reaching $10,000 with the ability to ban offenders from owning animals in the future. Currently, the law allows a maximum of six months in jail and fines of up to $2,000.
3. Establish animal cruelty crimes as hybrid offences, rather than punishable only as summary conviction offences, providing judges with broader sentencing discretion.

No one should be above the law in Canada

Hunters, anglers and animal use industry groups are now claiming that they deserve an exemption from the Criminal Code of Canada. In other words, the Criminal Code of Canada, which allows law enforcement, prosecutors and judges to punish people for criminal behaviour would not apply to them – no matter what their behaviour.

It is unacceptable and inappropriate to explicitly exempt anyone from the Criminal Code of Canada. For example police officers, physicians and athletes are not are not exempt from assault laws, on the assumption that because they occasionally use force in their jobs they may be exposed to frivolous prosecutions.

There are protections in place that ensure what is legal in Canada now (hunting, fishing, farming, research etc) will remain legal under the term “lawful excuse”.  Addressing the criminal abuse or neglect of animals, the legislation does not interfere with lawful, accepted animal-use practices and it further protects and supports indigenous rights already entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Animal use industries have been granted several amendments to ensure that these practices, if under industry standards, are protected. In fact under the new legislation they have more protection.  In the past thes  [ send green star]

 
 September 15, 2007 3:50 AM

Canada’s animal abuse laws due for update

source: http://www.langleytimes.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=47&cat=42&id=1060500&more=0

By scotttaylor

Pit bulls have developed a reputation as dangerously vicious dogs, best muzzled or confined. But recent events in the US, involving former NFL quarterback Michael Vick and self admitted dog fighting conspirator; indicate it’s their owners who truly deserve to be muzzled and confined. While Vick has effectively been publicly muzzled, apart from acknowledging his responsibility and finding Jesus, no doubt on the advice of his counsel, the extent to which he will find himself confined will be determined at his sentencing scheduled for December.

As a pet owner myself, (two dogs, three cats) this sad and disturbing incident led me to look more closely into our own animal cruelty legislation. While there appears to be a general consensus that Canada’s 115 year old Criminal Code animal cruelty provisions are in dire need of updating, there is considerable debate about how to go about it. One of the primary criticisms of the current Criminal Code provisions is the requirement to prove that the suffering was caused by “wilful” neglect or behaviour. It is difficult, if not virtually impossible to prove an accused’s behaviour was in fact wilful or intentional. But even if the evidentiary hurdles can be overcome and a conviction obtained, the sentencing provisions of the Criminal Code, six months and/or a fine of $2000, are seen as being woefully inadequate.

There are currently two private members Bills which address changes to current Criminal Code legislation, Bill C-373 and Bill S-213. Proponents of Bill S-213, which has passed second reading in the House of Commons, argue that this Bill would substantially increase the sentencing provisions. Supporters of Bill C-373 argue that increased sentencing provisions are not enough; Bill C-373 would also remove animals from the property section of the Criminal Code, and eliminate the requirement to prove the element of “wilful” neglect or behaviour.

Yet while the actual details of just how and why the Criminal Code should be amended are being hotly debated, in reality I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of animal cruelty prosecutions in B.C. are pursued under provincial animal cruelty legislation. In fact according to Marcie Moriarty, general manager, Cruelty Investigations at the BCSPCA (a supporter of Bill C-373), ninety per cent of all animal cruelty convictions in B.C. are handled through B.C.’s Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act. Moriarty said the provincial legislation is a far more effective tool than the Criminal Code. Unlike the Criminal Code provincial offences are strict liability offences which means it is not a legal requirement to prove someone intended to cause harm or distress. Furthermore, the province also has the authority to impose longer bans, up to lifetime bans, to keep animals away from offenders. Moriarty also said the province has been successful in obtaining an increasing number of restitution orders against offenders, monies intended to reimburse the authorities for caring for rescued animals.

Vick faces a potentially far stiffer jail sentence for his criminal behaviour in the U.S. than he would in Canada, despite an apparent plea bargain of 18 to 24 months negotiated between defence and prosecutors. Not only because his judge has the authority to disregard any such plea deal and impose his own sentence, but because his judge is also a dog owner.

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