Deborah, quick question for you? I would have preferred to ask privately, but don't know how to do that, so I'm going to have to ask in here.............where did you get that graphic, just out of curiousity? I see a link to a website on it, and when I clicked on that, it said that site was set up in 2006. They state that nothing from there can be used without permission, yet that graphic sure looks so much like my stallion's photo, it would seem that it was made from his photo, which I personally took in 1997.
There was another "graphic" previously which resembled C.D.'s photo in a different group, but it was different "enough", that it was obviously just a coincidence, but this one is the exact same "pose". There have been "animations" done with the mane & tail, but can you see where I'm coming from? I'd sure like to know where the creator of that got the "model" for it.
Deborah, I love that graphic! It looks so much like the photo I posted of C.D., my 15-yr-old Arab stallion! It's in my "album".
Kindle, I've been to a Parelli clinic, and I just don't like the man. He's quite the "marketer" of his ideas, though, I'll admit. Nothing he says is new, but he's very good at coming across as if it is. If you've ever read anything by Buck Brannaman (sp?) or Tom Dorrance, they both used the same methods, and decades before Parelli was ever heard of. I don't remember offhand which one it was, that was the "inspiration" for Redford's movie, "the Horse Whisperer". Monty Roberts tried to take the credit, but it was actually Brannaman, I think, and Dorrance's horse was used by Redford in the movie (not Pilgrim, the one Redford rode, and Dorrance was one of the technical advisors on the set. Monty Roberts claims to have learned his skills as a kid, and I've read so much to the contrary, I have no respect for his credability, either. I watched him on a program from RFD/TV last night and he said that he "invented the dually halter" in 1949. Hmmmm? He's my age, and in 1949, I was 8 years old. According to his own family, he never saw a horse until he was in his mid 20's. I'm not saying his methods won't work, quite the contrary, but just saying to not believe everything these guys say.............. NONE of them are to be followed like "Gods" and none of them "know it all". Many of them, and this is where I REALLY have a problem with the ones like Parelli and Monty, is that they imply their methods only work if you use the equipment THEY sell, and the methods also are demonstrated after they've put hundreds of hours into the horses used to demonstrate them. When have you ever seen Parelli take a horse that he has never seen before and do a thing with it in the "time frame" he suggests? I have seen Clinton Anderson do things with a horse like that at his clinics (been to three of them) and also John Lyons. Not saying Clinton's as good as he "thinks" he is, either............HEE, HEE! I have a rope halter and lead that I bought off E-Bay for $13, and it's a dead-ringer for the one he sells for almost $50. The point I'm making is that it doesn't have to be something "official" with that person's name on it. Oh, BTW, Monty Roberts "dually halter" is just a fancy version of the "B-Nice" halter, which came out in the early '80's. I have 3 of them, different sizes. A good old-fashioned "war bridle" which you can make with any piece of rope works just as good, IF you know how to use it.
You were indeed BLESSED by having a calm, forgiving horse like Cody as your first. So was I. Even though I've loved these gorgeous creatures since I first saw a photo of one as a toddler, never owned one until I was almost 40, and "succumbed" to my 14-yr-old daughter's constant whining about buying her a horse. Our first was "Sonny", an ancient half-Arab/ASB gelding, who, like your Cody, had "been there & done that" and taught us everything we needed to know. I bought him in 1976, and he was over 20 at the time. Sonny died 1 day shy of my having him 20 years, on Aug. 20, 1996. He was probably close to 45 years old.
well..honestly. i have only been with horses a little over 3 years, almost 4 years.
at first i wanted to know all i could know of caring, financial needs, and the psychology of hroses, before ever getting my first horse.
my first horse, i was blessed...the blue eyed cody boy...a wonderful red roan heavy built appaloosa. he was a horse of great experiences, and anyone could have sold me anything and i would not have known the better at the time. but again i say i was blessed with the very first horse.
cody is a forgiving, none reactive, gentle soul, of 8 years old now. he was 4-5 yrs when i bought him. cody boy was a cutting horse, and did shows prior to his last 2 owners. reason he didnt' continue is he rides like a darn dump truck, rough and would beat you up on a walk..giggle. but again, i knew no better.
cody taught me, i taught him i was not too bright. but that is all good.
so these horses now that we have are tennessee walkers, and i fell in love with the ride on smooth after the cody boy.
still seeking/searching, reading, going to clinics, sponsoring/hosting clinics etc.
i have recently come to realize....
it really doesn't matter what they teach, or how much training you have in horses.
the horse-learns from each individual owner at the time the owner purchases and take home. what they know before makes no difference, sure it helps, but really makes no difference. horse's learn what that owner at the time teaches them.
there are techniques i use in natural horsemanship, and i prasie the gentle training of it. i lean towards parelli, stacy westfall, reis and monty roberts. i by pass pretty much anyone else on the subject and have taken on the more gentle trainers.
the reason for my choices of clinicians, is i am in no hurry to "make" my horse do it. but eventually my horse will do it after he has had some work with on the subject or task.
i do agree with body language communications, and it works great for my horses 90% of the time. anything they don't seem to get, i have to be creative and work something out, or try other things to see if that is more to the response i am trying to get from them.
i have two 6yr, nice young horses, both from different training back grounds. one i am doing fantastic with, and one i am having a time with. i have 12 mo old that is just now realizing that he is really a horse and not a baby anymore, that no matter what i do (empty slate to work with here), he gets the message and does fantastic, never a complaint, worry, fear reaction, or concern with what i am doing, but i have been consistent with him since birth, and not mixed him up with doing one thing today and another the next day. i can already see that the koda baby will probably be my best horse ever in life. there isn't anything that boy doesn't seem to know of me, or me of him. even when he acts up, i see before it comes. i still have to learn the signals of the older horses and the signs of something else coming undesirable.
the natural horsemanship training methods are only a guide, but not a strict regimen. they are informations of movements that i need to know of for myself, to learn to not be a predator acting person. but other then that, its all about me and my horse, and what seems to communicate that we both understand together.
one can actually ride a horse every day and get communications and effective training, without doing anything else and have good horse (or a bad one, depending how someone rides). ground schools are designed to more safer measures in teaching a horse the same thing in the saddles. best sometimes to start the ground work before the sitting on the horse and asking him the same things, as you never know what that first reaction might be from that horse in that new communications/cue that is given by you.
another target area of natural horseman techniques is to build confidences in PEOPLE, not the horse. so its a people/horse helping programs and they do work on the most part for most horses. its a good place to start when a new horse and new owner start out, and the horse learns very quickly the new owner isn't going to beat or eat him, putting both new horse and new owner at ease with each other.
now i have had a crazy horse here too, her name was STORMY, no figure??
oh yea, we did the natural horseman round pen/ground schooling with her.
she didn't like me and in turn i decided i didn't like her either, and there you go..the problem and one that can't be resolved unless i just decided i did like her again, i might have a chance to have helped her. truth be known, its probably the only horse i did not like in my entire life! (althou not a horse owner but a short time, did hang around other horse loving owners prior to personally ever having a horse). Stormy is now in the loving hands of another owner, that just thinks she something very special and is doing great! but it would have never worked for her and i, thats for sure and she could read me and i could see she was not going to be safe or friendly with me either.
Hey, Kindle! Loved reading your story about your training sessions! I hope sincerely that I don't come across as a "know-it-all" or in any kind of negative way, but just saying that over the years that I've had horses (37 now), I've learned a lot from many people, including a few that were "newbies" and along the way, somehow managed to share what I've learned with some "old'uns" . I was taught a long time ago (actually was told this by a riding instructor), that one never should stop learning and we can all learn from each other!
Anyway, now with the internet, we can share with each other a lot easier, and with many of the clinicians on RFd/TV, it's easier to learn. I used to be an avid reader, by my eyesight has gotten to the point where it strains my eyes to read for very long. I've gone to clinics with several of the ones mentioned (including Parelli, Clinton Anderson, Steve Rother, Monty Roberts), and learned stuff from each of them, but on the other hand, some of what they "teach" I have found wouldn't work for me, or in some cases, even was abusive, in my opinion. Much of it is just plain 'ol' common sense, and some is even a bit silly. I have a gal in my own horse group (NING site) who swears by a "horse communicator" she works with, and won't do anything without consulting with her. She thinks Clinton's methods are too "harsh" or "aggressive" for her at her level of expertise (she's had two horses for five years now), and swears by what she reads on Tractor Supply's website where they have "training tips" by a different clinician. In her case, she just doesn't believe in herself enough.
Over the years, I've worked with several professional trainers and put horses into training wtih a few. I've also taken a horse OUT of training when I felt the trainer was abusive or just didn't "bond/mesh" well with my horse. That happens, and it also happens that as owners, there are horses that we just don't get along with, even though we want to very much and think that because we love them so much, they should respond. Not the way it works, sometimes, unfortunately. I've had to "swallow my pride" and sell more than one in the past that I simply couldn't work with, no matter what I tried.
Sorry for "rambling on" so much, but I've been having trouble staying online lately, so wanted to say everything on my mind while I had internet access, LOL!
Hi Kindle ~
I enjoyed reading what you wrote on your latest training methods. It must be a thrill to be cultivating that special relationship with Diamond and be able to ride him so . . . It is late now and before I say good night I will take a peek or two at the photos of my Cody Boy whom I love with all my heart. Isn't he the most wonderful horse for a gal like me?
Hugs ~ Deborah B.
been handling my horses every day, one way or the other. most of what i am doing these days is learning the natural horsemanship training techniques.
which include stacy westfall, reis ranch universal horsemanship mentor series and the parelli horsemanship methods.
have 2 horses (not owned a year yet) and a 12 month old colt. have had a couple other horses for 4 years prior to the one's i have now.
at first i had no confidence myself in what i was doing, or trying to do, but a year later i have gained my own confidence in this area and with the horses. i don't have the timid body language anymore. but guess what is happening too, my horses are more confident in themselves and in me now also.
the horse diamond bat, my prize horse. was not long ago classified by a professional as dangerous and unpredictable. I was advised to be rid of this horse, that he was too much for me to handle at my level of experiences.
but low and behold! i was determined not to give up, and i wanted THIS HORSE, didnt want to get another one, and didn't want to believe that this horse was out to hurt anyone for any reason, other then he was just a big horse and found way to intimadate people..
yesterday this same horse, the bad boy..so they said.. i was able to ride bareback and bridleless, and not one problem. diamond bat gives to pressure, i can control him with my legs on turns, side flex, forwards, (still working on backing up), i can make his nose walk the round pen, in a complete circle and his nose not leave the rail.
i am very excited about this adventure, the relationship, the work that has shown successes and growing confidences for me and this horse.
i want to develop a routine and dance like movement with this horse and take him to show off at charity events and good causes. i want to be able to help others that want a good relationship with their horses, wanting to have the same ability and ease of movements with just touch on their own horses.
i have 2 friends that i am working with to develop a natural horseman training get together, and hoping that this will be something others would be interested in when they see 3 different people and 3 different horses able to perform and seemingly no touching the horse to get them to do what is asked of them.
we have a goal, and it energizes me to do more, to keep committed to my horse, and see where it might one day take me.
my biggest goal is the brideless shows on my own horse.
Hi Everyone ~
I'm just stopping by . . . I have yet to go to bed and it is now almost time for the sun to come up and make it officially Monday after Easter Day. I couldn't get myself to turn off this computer without coming around to see the pics of my beloved Cody Boy. As Kindle has written, I have that horse tattooed right across my heart and he will always be there with every beat. I know it sounds a little strange. And I do maintain that desire to someday find the means to get down that way to be with him in person. I don't have a horse of my own, yet Kindle has said there are a few others in the group who don't have horses either but love them and therefore are welcome here. That is so nice. I am looking forward to reading posts and viewing pics here in the group and learn as I enjoy it all. I wish everyone a good week.
Hugs ~ Deborah B.
Hello My New Friends~
Well, here it is officially Easter Sunday going on 5:00 a.m. and I had no intention of checking in on Care2 in that it is a holiday and I imagined that many would be taking a day off, so to speak. I am honored to be a new member of the Horse Lovers Group. To be honest, this is the first time I have been able to take a look at the site. Indeed, it looks wonderful and I can clearly see that the Group Host Kindle is a true horse lover and knows what it is to be the steward of these beautiful animals. Now, what a coincidence in that my name is Deborah just as the person she writes about here - someone who fell in love with a gentle blue-eyed roan appaloosa named Cody without ever setting her eyes on that gentle boy. Surely she must have heard so many loving words in every story about that Cody Boy to make her happy or even cry to think that anything bad would ever come his way. And it is said that Cody has worked his sweet magic on all who are lucky to meet him and come back for more visits whenever the can. I know I surely would if I were able to do so. . . Oh, I guess that I failed to see that from the very beginning of the story Kindle said that Deborah is myself. Yes, I am the Deborah B. from Illinois and I love that Cody Boy as if he were my own. And it is my dream to someday look into those beautiful blue eyes, to touch and help groom him. I'd even like to just take a nap on top of him - why I'll bet that he's really as comfy as a great big ol' sofa. Thanks Kindle! And all my love to the Cody Boy.
i know that many that own and love horses have a story and i would truely love to read these things of great, or special horses that have touched someone's life somewhere, at some time.
if its about horses, you can gurantee i will read it, or comment, or some how find my way to be part of it. smile
hugs to everyone ..
here is a story of long distance love of a horse.
deborah B from Illinois (and a member on this group) heard the romantic story of a red roan appaloosa with blue eyes, by the name of cody.
now its hard to say why or when for sure this all happened. but here is the reason this story is so interesting. Deborah loves a horse she has never seen, but has heard of, she has not touched or rode this horse either.
but she feels so deeply of cody that she crys if she hears something bad has occurred, or that cody is lonely or sad.
cody indeed is a special boy. a kind and forgiving gelding, that loves people like no other horse i have seen. gentle and careful, and even tender to babies that he meets.
its true its easy to fall in love with a dreamy horse like blue eyed cody..he was my first, and he still is my most favorite.
with all his gentlemen ways, this horse rides like a darn dump truck, and thats why i went to tennessee walkers. but the love of cody has never changed for me.
cody has made effect on many people's lives. Deborah is not the only one that has been affected by cody. i know 5 other people that come to see cody just to groom him and be with him and for no other reasons then that. they don't own him, they just come to see & visit the cody boy.