Part 2 was bogging down, it took three attempts to finally be able to post.

Hi everyone!

Hey, Mel, I saw your post in the last thread about me looking Egyptian. Yup, I *do* remember a few lifetimes there, wa-a-ay back when! I think I helped to mummify bodies at one point, that or I observed. Sort of an overseer. Every time I remember that, I keep thinking that it's the "old way" of doing things. That's odd, because I don't know much about mummification now!



As for the album on my profile page, you should be able to get into it with the password: reincarnation

Uh, where do you type this 'password' Maggie?

I forgot to include the link! http://www.care2.com/c2c/photos/view/217/579168353/Photos__silent_film_era_stars_of_Europe/

Uh, what link?  All I get here is a bottom scroll bar.  Would it be easier just to post the pics here or just put them in an unlocked normal album?

(da suspense is killin' me!)

OK, it's unrestricted now. I didn't think it would be so difficult! I kept trying to change it last night, but it just kept re-loading! It's the browser, it does that sometimes!

Today, I've been seeing myself onstage. That is, through the eyes of one of my previous incarnations. Onstage, in a dress of satin that's sort of cream-coloured with golden embellishments, singing opera. But I can't make out what I'm singing! I can't even tell what language it is, kind of like hearing something from another room. I get the feeling it might be in Russia. Curious and a bit odd. And I was wearing a wig that felt heavy, pins digging into my scalp to hold it in place.




Now that's really weird, cuz I get migraines in this lifetime, as well.

 The link is there...all you have to do is scroll the up & down on the right and there's the link. You opened the album. I see, I see! I like this one...

So, how did you remember? Did you see an old film? 

I have nothing to scroll up and down on the right with, Mel.  Just sort of half a button that doesn't scroll.  But anyway I went to Maggie's home page and saw the album.

Personally I just like posting now so I can put in some neat icon(s)!

I think these things come to you when you're meditating, correct Maggie?

Post away, my happy Canadian manly friend... if you're happy...we's ALL happy!   Tra la la boom de a!

Maggie, You need to start your own 'Maggie's Scrapbook' thread on a new topic and post pics and all the tid bits of memories that you remember. It can be like a journal of your memories.

Don't you have any memories, Kenneth?

Namaste

Oh, gosh! If I started a thread of my own memories, that would take a l-o-o-ong time to write! And you're right, Kenneth, they do come through meditating, though sometimes I'll have a dream that shows something brief or symbolic. What started sparking memories of this particular life in Germany was actually Cabaret. Well, a cd of the cast recording from 1998. I had a huge crush on Alan Cumming then, so I got the cd, and when I heard the song What Would You Do (if you were me), I had this immense feeling of guilt, sorrowful guilt. Over the last few years, I feel like I'm trying to 'make up' for things I did in my past, trying to rectify it.

Yes, I remember once I was in a group or something on something called the 'internet' where everyone was talking about past lives.  I thought, omigod, are all these people crazy?  I mean, whoever thought that?  Let's face it.  You got one life to live, so you better grab for all the gusto you can, you better party hard cause you don't get no second chance, life is short so you better make the most of it, live like it's your last day...Oh wait a minute, that's a beer commercial for the status quo middle class materialistic maniacal all-is-meat-and-brain-and-chemical-worship-the-body boys...

"Memrees, from the pages of my mind, misty water colored memrees...of the way we were..."

I gotta tell ya, Ken, I LOVE reading your posts! Huhh, maybe we knew each other in prior 'hosts'? I tend to think of the bodies my soul inhabits as hosts, like the Trill in Star Trek: Deep Space 9.

Well, MAYBE.  Anything's possible.

On a totally different note I realized once a few years back that most of the people walking around in present time are the same 'souls/spirits' that were walking around in other bodies before.  And they haven't changed at all!  They're being the same way, just different identity. 

In other words, Mr. Peabody the bank manager is the same way this life now about things he was as Mr. Johnson the undertaker 200 yrs. ago.  Still tends to cheat people if he can get away with it, really likes a quiet environment, etc. etc. (this is just an illustration to make a point).

Jean Billings the mother of three this lifetime is the same way she was as a cow farmer 300 years ago---she likes to take care of other things and simple things make her feel good etc. (just another illustration to make a point).

These are the SAME spirits/souls!  (This isn't as earth shattering as it was when I had the realization moment and I'm not describing it near as well since it's been a while and it has become a bit faded/jaded.  And this is MY realization and not necessarily anyone else's or their truth.)

Hey Folks WOW!  So much activity!!!  That's great Maggie you can see yorself.    Just wanted to say hi.  Am tired and on my way to cook chili con smokie.   ie. chili with smokies instead of ground beef.  Good stuff!  

yeah they say that we keep an aspect of our character, and even our name to an extent through the lifetimes.  Peace, Rachel

Rachel, you talk about cooking alot...maybe you are Rachel Ray in some other life time. How bout making more vegetarian dishes for us meatless eaters?
 
OK, I'll quit teasing ya.
 
I agree with your realizations, Kenneth. And someone who was a soldier and killed people...and enjoyed it, might carry that tendency with him to the next experience and be a serial killer. And the guys who abhored killing innocent people became peace activists.
 
One life to live is the biggest misunderstanding. Some people think it's all happening at once on many levels...you know, that multi-dimensional existence stuff.
My friend Al shared this toon video with me a week or so ago.
 

Mel, that everything happening at once on many levels sounds like the 'eternal now' I read about in a book about Celtic spirituality. Intriguing.

I watched the video Mel.  The guy asks: "If we only ever see what we know, how do we ever know anything new?"  Simple.  We create it.  We create things to know.  Data and knowledge is not all something that others have created for us to know or something 'out there' for us to know.  Just as much of data and knowledge is what we create ourselves.  Knowledge has both components.  We can know what others have created or we ourselves can create knowledge.

The thing of a two-dimensional universe is one created universe.  And there are an infinity of universes that could be.  We could create a universe that has only one dimension, or three, or 150, or none at all.  However you set it up, and say it's this and not this, you're creating a universe. 

The point is WE CREATE.

The thing about everything happening all at once in present time is another created universe.  It has to do with the idea of time.  You could also create one where all there is past, all there is is future, or all three, or a universe where everything works in opposites, where this, where that, anything.

WE are CREATORS.  Creating is a tremendously wonderful, great, fantastic, neat thing.  A wise man once said "The highest purpose in this universe is the creation of an effect".    Look at it and see if you don't LOVE creating.  Creating what?  Anything,  anything you want, how you want, why you want, etc.   CREATING: SPLURGE ON IT!

Yeah, Maggie...The Seth Material was where I first learned of the present moment being the creative moment. The spirit known as 'Seth' kind of rocked my perception, but Yeshua has always been my spiritual master. (Or guru, if you will.)

Kenneth...  you're ALWAYS thinking, aren't you? The ultimate creator of creative thoughts.

                Kenneth creating....                

Read Jane Robert's book on Oversoul 7.

Oversoul Seven is a non-physical personality who is engaged in an exam designed to help him understand the nature of being. His schoolroom is all of time and space, his subjects reincarnation, dreams and out-of-body travel. The main theme of his course is that each individual creates his own reality, and Seven must communicate what he learns to the four personalities of which he is oversoul.

(There must be two with which he hasn't yet connected.) 4+1+2=7...right? Which must be why he's still in school.

The Trilogy has great reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1878424173

Seth, Oversoul Seven...hey let's not forget Cuthbert and the Undersoul Six!  Hear, hear for the create-ers!  Man, we're just a never-ending furnace of creations aren't we!

I watched Sagan for the first 20 seconds until first he says "in Flatland everything is perfectly flat, ABSOLUTELY flat" then a moment later he says "everyone in Flatland is exceptionally flat".  Make up your mind!  It's either 'exceptionally flat' or 'absolutely flat'.    The word 'flat' means height of an object, meaning some height even if it's extremely tiny.  That's what the word means.   Something could be 'exceptionally' flat, but if it was 'absolutely' flat what do you mean by 'absolutely'?  If there actually was NO height to an object there wouldn't be ANYTHING there, since 'object' means length, width, and height.  For another thing, THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTES.  ABSOLUTES ARE UNOBTAINABLE.  There is ALWAYS a 'little bit more' or 'a little bit less' or 'a little smaller' or 'a little bigger' or a little more something than the last one.  So the term 'absolutely flat' is an oxymoron, a misnomer.  Something could be really really flat but you could ALWAYS make it a little little flatter, and so on.

And then it just gets stupider and stupider.  A three-dimensional object (apple) says 'hello' to a Flatland flat square and Sagan says this square 'gets a voice from within'!  Ridiculous!  First off, if Flatland IS only a 2-dimensional universe not only could there never be a three-dimensional object in it (apple), but secondly, the apple would be communicating with sound waves in 3-dimensional space (from 'up above' to 'down below') which no Flatlander could therefore ever hear anyway.  No Flatlander would ever mysteriously hear it 'from within' as Sagan says because the apple is 3-D and it is emanating sound waves from it in a 3-D fashion.   However, anyone when they create a universe can make up the rules, change them round, say it's this way, then say it's not and instead it's this other way like Sagan is doing.  This is what he is doing with one thing after another with his 'Flatland' universe.  And this is supposed to mean something? 

This is also another study in how anyone can create anything by taking certain words that have agreed upon meanings and definitions by people, changing those meanings willy-nilly any way they choose, and then the resultant alteration is brilliant or something?.   It is the same thing as the phrase "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" and that nonsense.  What does a three-legged dog look like when running on all fours?  Same thing.  Playing with the agreed upon definitions and meanings of things.  It's entertaining but means diddly.

  OK, OK...so Carl Sagan isn't a brainiac!  I guess that I should be embarrassed, because I enjoyed that stupid, little video.  Ahhh...just open yourself to his idea...not in the direction that the adjectives push you.

Oh yeah, and like how many animals, 2 by 2, did Moses take with him in the Ark?  

Moses didn't take any...it was Noah.

Dig that crazy frog drummer! (or is it a bug?).

Hey, don't be embarassed by anything anyone else says Mel.  I just put forward my own opinions.  You enjoy what you enjoy and that's it.

I did however wonder later just what PURPOSE his video had, like what applicability would it have to anything, so I watched the rest of it about his '4th' dimension. 

Okay.  No purpose other than a concept.  Nothing more than attempting to describe an abstract (which as a side note is all the field of mathematics is---an abstract).

The idea of light shining on something and making a shadow of it on a 2-dimensional piece of paper necessitates all sorts of qualifications about it, including how light behaves in a 3 dimensional universe (the physical universe) and it's laws, that the object is transparent and not opaque (since light behaves differently through and around objects, and the direction from which the light is shining. 

He uses a transparent object (cube) with the light shining from the side.  What if he used a solid colored cube with the light shining from the top?  Voila, it would simply be a square shape on the paper.  Different shadow figures would be shown on the paper simply depending on what position the light was shining from.

And then all he does is extrapolate from that, what the object's shape would be that could produce the weird-shaped cube he last showed as a 3-d object.

Of course now he's saying light (which behaves a certain way in our current 3-D physical universe) is coming from some '4th' dimension which would explain the weird cubes 'shadow' shape.  However he's using the way light behaves in our current 3-D universe in some 'new other dimension' now to explain and show how it would result in the 3rd dimension.  Unfortunately, if you are in a universe with 3 dimensions, that's it.  Nothing from a '4th' dimension could work in a 3-dimensional universe and that's all there is to it.  It's an oxymoron. 

I love how these guys ALWAYS think they can get away with using something in the current physical universe, that behaves according to the laws of the current universe (in this case light), but then putting it into some other universe and now this thing from the one dimension is now in another dimension and totally different.  You can't be in one universe subject to it's laws and say now you're not, yet still using the same laws of the first!

Mel, let's create Vertical-NarrowLand.  Where there is only height and length but no width.  In other words, everything is exceptionally narrow (sort of like Flatland standing upright).  You see how stupid this gets. 

My favorite is where physical scientists say the physical universe is a certain 'size'.  That would mean you could theoretically get to the 'edge' of it, the edge of it's limit or 'boundary' in a spaceship, then obviously you could go a little farther and bit by bit go out of the physical universe.  Ridiculous!  You cannot be in a physical universe spaceship, and go outside of the physical universe in it.  If you did you wouldn't be in a physical universe spaceship anymore, plus if you were in a physical body, it would disappear, it just wouldn't be.  See what I mean?  As a spirit since you aren't physical you can do this, but you can't take something that's made up of and part of one universe and put it outside of it, since it's an oxymoron---a physical body or spaceship existing in a non-physical universe.  See the point.

So, Sagan is simply doing one more thing along this line that these guys engage in because all they're doing is thinking along the lines of the physical universe, all is physical, using the physical universe to try to get out of it, which is impossible, by conceptually altering it's laws, playing mental gymnastics and abstractual ideas with it.

You make excellent points, Kenneth! So something that we can agree on is that you can't get to the 4th dimension with 3 dimensional thinking. I guess you have to go through a tunnel/wormhole.

Anything with density won't allow the light to pass through...usually absorbs it. What does a dense object do with light when it becomes internalized, I wonder? Do you think a constant barrage of light might create a passageway? Or are these tunnels just main arteries in our 3rd dimensional solar system that send whatever is pulled into it to another part of this dimension.

Do you think that the dream state allows for dimensional travel or is all that just stationary energy, with brainwaves recalling past bits of thoughts from action, book or TV?   

A tesseract is basically a square dimensionalized. Just going beyond the point of it's beginning.

Easy to understand Wiki info...

The dimension of an object may be thought of as the number of independent directions one needs to travel in order to reach every point in it.

For example, a 'point' is a zero-dimensional object. No vectors are necessary to span it since if one starts at the point, one has already reached all of it.

A 'line' is a one-dimensional object. Starting at some point on the line, one needs a vector that points in the direction of the line in order to reach the other points on the line. Only one vector is necessary, since scaling it by different amounts allows one to reach any other point on the line.

A 'plane' is a two-dimensional object. Given some starting point on the plane, at least two vectors, not parallel to each other, are needed to span it. With only one vector, only points that lie on a straight line can be reached. A second vector, not parallel to the first, is needed to move "sideways" to points on the plane outside that line. Only two directions are necessary, since one can move forwards (or backwards) along the first vector by different distances and then move sideways by different distances to cover every point on the plane. One may think of the plane as a "stack" of parallel lines; to get from one point to another in the two-dimensional plane, one first travels along the line in one direction, and then travels "across" the parallel lines in a second direction.

'Space', as we perceive it, is three-dimensional. In order to reach some point in space, one not only needs to move forwards or backwards, and sideways; one needs to move upwards or downwards as well. In other words, a third vector is necessary to cover all of space. One may think of space as a "stack" of parallel planes: to travel from one point to another in space, one may move forwards or backwards along one direction, and then move sideways along a second direction, and finally move upwards or downwards in the third, vertical direction.

Four-dimensional space is a space where four independent directions are needed to cover all of it. Such a space may be visualized as a "stack" of many parallel three-dimensional spaces. To understand this concept, think of putting pieces of paper side by side. The sheets do not extend into the third dimension until one puts them on top of one another. In the same way, in order to reach into four-dimensional space, it is necessary to move in a new direction, a direction outside three-dimensional space. To reach each point in four-dimensional space, not only does one need to travel forwards and backwards, left and right, up and down, but also along a new pair of directions, ana and kata.

 Love THOSE new directions! Take a kata at the next block and go ana for a mile...and you're there! 

Oh boy.  Ana and Kata.  I do not know those women!   Hi again!  Just wanted to say that they diagnosed me with hyperthyroidism and I hafta go see the specialist on Tues again to get some medicine!  I think it's  blocked energy, from not pursuing my calling... mmm.   Went to the emergency this afternoon because I was so shaky and having chest pressure, so they checked me out and said I'm not going to die, so I could go home and see the doc on Tuesday!   Any sound advice to offer?  

I'll have to read your posts about space, but now I'm going to bed!     Rachel

 Prayers for a quick recovery! Rachel, what is your calling?

Namaste

Rachel, hope you do what you need to do in order to fix this problem with your body.

Advice, I can only say ASK all the doctors you can about everything they can tell you about it, get them to COMMUNICATE and you COMMUNICATE a lot to them about it too, ask about what different medicines there are for it, find out from them or the net about these medicines, so you yourself can understand as fully the condition as possible and so you yourself can make the best decisions about what to take, what to do etc.  You run the ship regarding your body, not the body or anybody else.

Mel, thanks for ana and kata.  Now it's all fully understood.  NOT!  I will just say that when they say the '4th' dimension would look like a 'stack' of 3-D universes to me this would simply be more 'up' 'up' and 'up' which is already covered in the 3-D universe.  Because that is what the word 'stack' means!  Something placed on top of something else, which is a direction already covered in any 3-D universe. 

Again I say you can't use the words or meanings or agreements of one thing (those of the 3D universe) to describe what some other universe is doing that obviously wouldn't be following the same rules or laws or agreements.

I think they could go a bit further than 'ana and kata' and say there are 'ben and jerry' directions that go out further in a 5th dimension, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

The point is a spirit who is NOT physical or 3D or any 'D' is certainly able to create any universe he wants for himself.  However these guys are simply stuck on the physical 3-D universe and simply by conceptually altering the laws and agreements of how it works and how it's made up they then think they're creating some new universe that way.  Nope.  If you wanted to create a new universe for everybody else, not just yourself, everyone else would all have to help create it, agree about how it's going to work etc.  (there's 3 universe relationships---your own, that of the other guy's, and the one that's held in common by all (in this case the current physical universe) by agreement.

OK, thanks Ken, that's what I will try to do!  Mel, my calling is a combination of art-making, singing, song-writing, healing, teaching and communicating lovingly wiht the earth ( aka earthspeaking).  Have a great day.  love, Rachel

Ok, have fun with the animals. 

acts of God . . .

haha!  Thanks Dolceanstar!  This is funny! How are you?   Where did you go for so long?   Come back buddy!    Rachel   I didn't get how he's observing his washing up though?    Does that imply washing a certain part of himself....?   Ok, cause in Canada, we do the washing up after dinner, with the guests all hanging around watching!   Hehe  OK, I better go. 

By the way, thanks you guys for the love and prayers.  The doc gave me some meds today but was friendly until I asked him about side effects, whereupon he told me that I had to take it anyway, but told me what they were, and then when I said that sometimes I forget to take things and should I take it right away then if that happens, then he said, no! you can't forget.  You have to just take it.  It doesn't work otherwise.   Hmmm. Good point. However,  sometimes I can 't help it.  So I have to know.  He should answer my questions.   Finally he did but it took some prying.   Anyway, the meds seem to be good.  So I'll be happy to feel better.   It's interesting to be so sick and not have a fever.  I'm not complaining though~!!~

How are your lives anyway?  Spiritually, Romantically, Nutritionally...?     love, Rachel

Haha Mel, I just read your comment about me talking about cooking a lot.  I never realised that!  Well in my last post there's another mention.  and here's another:  homemade cheesecake with peaches on top.   mmmm! 

Rachel, don't be teasing me with cheesecake! That's downright cruel! I love ANY kind of cheesecake!

Glad that you're feeling better!

Dolceanstar, where have you been all this time? We've missed you! Thanks for the funny guy video...speaking of spiders...(LOL a spider who walks with a limp, to trick a squirrel!)

Here's the spider who took over Europe!  Beware! Not for the squeamish and peeps who're afraid of big, hairy spiders!

            http://www.onemotion.com/flash/spider/

Kenneth! I think you're right on about the point being the spirit!  Every dimension has it's standard. I think that there is one thing universal or eternal...and that is the creative emergence of a world through manifest thought.

See ya all in my dream state.

Yumm, cheesecake!




Oy, it's windy here to-night! Whenever it gets like this, a memory 'threatens' to come out, but it's like smoke rings. There for a moment, then gone.



This morning, I got to see part of Zefferelli's Romeo and Juliet. That's probably my favourite version. In a way, it helped bring about a recollection I'd forgotten about. It's not much, just, I'm inside this castle or fortress in the latter half of the 14th century. It's one big room, like a banquet hall, with tapestries on the walls. Very high walls of greyish stone. It looks dark and feels cold. Cold as in lacking familial warmth. Like conditions were quite harsh then and maybe I was a servant.

Here's MY first life as a human.  What!

Wow, Maggie, maybe you were.  How do you know it was the 14th c?  Are you well versed in that kind of thing?  

Nice dress, Ken   But I don't think pink's your colour.  Maybe yellow?  And lay off the smokes.  They cause cancer don'tchaknow?   

That's weird, Maggie, that your memories come out in the windy times... I wonder if it stirs up your energy or the "veil" that keeps the other times hidden... Hm!   Any idea why that happens. Is it dark out too?

here it is dark out, but it's cloudy and the city lights are reflecting on the clouds.   My bamboo tree is leaning up against the big window and the leafless trees outside are standing up mightily into the sky.  There's snow on the ground so it's brighter than in the summer.... 

Yeah! Cheesecake! Mmm, it was sooo good. My parents make it.  I mean together: it's a two person job apparently, or maybe they just like to do stuff together.  

There's cottage cheese and condensed milk in it sooo good. Graham cracker crumbs crust.  It converted my sister in law.  she didn't like cheesecake until she ate this one!  Then you put canned peaches on top.   It was my dad's birthday on Monday.

uhhh, ok. sleepytime...   the meds are kicking in but they take some time to work to their fullest...  thanks though, yeah, much better, thank you!

peace, Rachel

 @ Kenneth! Was that a leap from the dead fish to the hairy-legged woman?

If you girls don't stop talkin' cheesecake, I'm goin' on a diet. I gain weight just reading the word!  

 Namaste

Mel, I was wrong, that wasn't a human, it was a THROG.  They were the original species on earth here before humans.  Each throg was one sex, a hefemale.  How did they reproduce?  Don't ask.  But their sex organs resembled an S-shaped Oh Henry and a jelly filled donut.  That thing that looks like a cigar is actually a birth control device.  Throgs then evolved into the two separate sexes, male and female, in humans.  

(can't get that dead fish our of your mind eh Mel? lol)

Oh that's pretty gross!  Or is it just like earthworms?   Ok, that is about your story.  

* serious moment *  I have to say that there are people in this world who would prefer to be the gender that they were NOT BORN AS.  And my friend T is one of them.   So, I get it, because T told me how it is.   T would like to be a woman, and when she's in big cities she'll dress in drag, but with a lot better taste than your throg there!   It's not fun for T, particularly in small town Canada, and T has been trying to get enough money to have a sex-change operation, but has yet to score a good paying job, to pay off debts and so on.   She's felt so out of place for her whole life.  Actually, it's something to be understood, not mocked.  So, don't get too nasty about the cross-dresser ya got there.  

* end of serious moment * 

*oh!  restart! *  

So... today the friendly 911 paramedics came and did an ecg on me in my livingroom.  They said I was ok and that my heart is ok, just kinda fast.   So I am laying low, keeping watch on the velveteen soft brown hideabed and drinking lots of lemonade as the trees wave in the snowy day outside.   Well, they did.  Now is night.  So, perhaps if I had spidey-vision, I could watch the bats swooping back and forth in the night... mmm, maybe too cold for them.  Snow bats?   Mmm. 

Prayers   and healing energy    would be much appreciated and joyfully received! 

  night night Rachel

Sorry Rachel, but I don't post to please you.  Nobody's 'mocking' anything, that's just your idea and it's incorrect.  One more thing, stop telling me what to do or say or think in my posts. You're really starting to irritate me. 

Sorry Ken, the last times, I was telling you what to do and think, I'll freely admit it, but this time I wasn't.   I should have said so though, I figured you might take it that way.   Sorry you took it that way.

No, I think it's as funny as the next person, I'm just telling you another reality that I'm also aware of.  If my friend read it, I think s/he'd laugh, probably nervously, and then feel belittled.  I'm just describing another reality.

Have a good day.  Rachel.

C'mon you two...kiss and make up. You're beginning to sound like an long married couple!                 

I think Kenneth was being funny about trogs, he wasn't trying to belittle transvestites or gender confusion. There was another thread about that issue.

My thoughts about homosexuality and gender bending is that a soul who usually experiences physical existence in one form, then suddenly enters the opposite sex, always carries residual leanings. To me it's not a big deal in accepting a person in the body that they are born in, but don't feel familiar in, so act with the emotional conditioning that it has grown accustomed to from continuous experiences as the opposite sex. That is not perverse...there are other things that are far MORE perverse in MY book. That would be the person who uses other people for self gain, or murders people for ANY reason (WAR on terror is NOT a justified reason, any more than plea of insanity.) or to control and manipulate people. THAT'S perverse to all universal laws of goodness, fairness, equality and justice. 

Grrr!  I'll think of other comments later!

Don't mean to preach...just some words of wisdom that can also be healing.

1 Corinthians 13:1-8a and 13
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails....And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Thanks Mel.  Seriously.

Ok, listen Ken, I guess I owe you an apology, I'm being oversensitive here and projecting on you characteristics that are not your own. I'm sorry.  And I shouldn't speak for my friend. Maybe s/he wouldn't have a problem with it.  I should speak for myself.

So, here's the truth, from me. 

I find myself in this life to be in a minority group. Not the least privileged, but I'm a smallish bisexual woman of mixed race (yeah I didn't tell you the bisexual part, but my family is not reading so, ok), and artistic-minded, not logic-based.

On the other hand, unless there's something I don't know, you are in a position of relative privelege in our society:  you're big, you're a man, you're white, you're straight, you have logic and wit on your side.  

You scare me, damnit!  You fit the description of people who have hurt me or held power over me and kept me from speaking my own truth.  So, when I read words that put up red flags as ... insensitive or non compassionate, it scares me, and I have to say something or feel like I'm abandoning my own self.

I want to come to Care2 and be in a safe place, but if my friends can't be safe here, then I feel scared for my own life.   I feel excluded and like I can't be here.

I know you were just joking around with the pic of the man in a dress, but, please try and put yourself in the place of who you're talking about. Think about it again:  you were comparing a cross-dresser with a non-human sexless 'freak of nature'.   My friend is definitely not that, and it HURTS me to see that comparison made.   I know you did not mean it in a hurtful way, but, if you've heard them talking, it does sound a lot like the real attacks on transgendered or transsexual people, some of which end in bashing ie. killing them. 

I'm not trying to make you "write to please me."  I'm trying to defend myself from being hurt and frightened.   And I'm trying to make it safe for my friends in various other minority groups.   It's the least I can do with the power that I do have as an educated, half-white, middle-class Canadian with a job.

Please try to understand. 

Sincerely, Rachel

Rachel: now don't go foaming at the mouth but I laughed out loud in your paragraph where you say to me "you're big, you're a man, you're white, you're straight, you have logic and wit on your side. "   How do you know what height I am or if I'm straight? lol   Well, I AM 5'11 and straight but you didn't know that!  

I'm certainly not privileged personally (I could care less about me being in some sector of the population that's supposed to be some middle class privileged white man sector and who knows what else).  I HATE middle class and privilege.  I hated it 300 years ago when I was Handel and had to play for snobby rich buffoons and still can't stand them.

I WAS NOT "comparing a cross-dresser with a non-human sexless 'freak of nature'."   I wasn't COMPARING anything.  Rachel you are taking everything literally.  Someone could draw a stick figure and you'd accuse them of mocking skinny people or bulimia.

And you actually try to link a silly humorous cartoon figure to "it does sound a lot like the real attacks on transgendered or transsexual people"?    

That's way off the mark, way out there, a ridiculous stretch and it isn't true whatsoever.

I'm not going to monitor anything I post wondering if you will be offended Rachel.  If you notice in this thread YOU'RE the only one who gets continually offended.  No one else does.  You even get offended FOR other people!  That's remarkable.

There is something to be said about someone who others have to continually walk on eggshells around, who is continually 'offended' and 'hurt'. 

Come up to present time Rachel.  Look around at your present time surroundings and find something that isn't dangerous to you.  And keep doing this until you feel better. 

Really, Rachel...I could identify with that toon lady...I don't shave my legs in the winter, cause it's like wearing leggings and keeps me warm.  I don't get offended by jokes on hairy legs. I do pluck my eyebrows, because I never did like the uni-brow look back when I was a gnarly old cave woman.  

Kenneth, your picture does give the appearance that you are a big man...not fat, just tall and manly.  (Be still my beating heart...  ) Maybe it's a part of your essence...a big mind and heart, whatever...it's a good thing. I don't think you look scary, in fact I think I could take ya, if we were mud wrestling. I can be verrrry slippery.

Rachel, right now I'm asexual, on occasion I fall off the wagon and into a man's bed. But nothing ever happens unless he can seduce my mind...and that's not an easy thing to do because...really...I lost it a long time ago, and seriously...I am an asexual being.

I like the idea of ecstasy more than I like the actual physical act. Often, the act...is laughable, squishy, squeaky, smelly, sweaty, blubbery, flubbery bunch of body parts flailing away trying to experience something heavenly.  Old people should just keep their clothes on. Every time I walk past the mirror on my dresser in my bedroom whilst naked, I scream! Then I realize that it's just me.   oops   I think I said too much.  

The more men that I know the more I like my broom. Hee, hee, heeee ahhhh.          Oh, man...I crack myself up!

...toooo....muchhhhh....in...for...mat...ion...!

Coming from a fish floating upside down dying one minute...then riding his bike the next?                   Sum-ting veddy fishy.     
  
 

Oh, those pics of the fish are too funny! Now, can everybody lighten up a little? Can't we all just get along? After all, aren't we here to try to help each other? Or at least have some good conversations?

Mel gets a verbal star for the biggest funnest pic yet on this thread!

Maggie, what are you saying?     lol

(God, I am having so much fun with you guys!  This is as good as Whose Line Is It Anyway? which is my favorite show on tv.  Nothing beats human beings doing and saying unscripted things!)

On a Christmassy note, "all I want for Xmas is my two front teeth...been so long since I could say, sister Susie sittin' on a thistle..."

On an extraordinarily SOMBRE note, Mel this thread is taking a long time to load now.  Maybe it's time to start a new one?

A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says "So why the long face?"

OK, But why do I only get a verbal star? Why can't I have a green star?   You hardly ever give me any stars, and I deserve them, cause I'm pretty hilarious. (even if I do say so myself) I bet you give everyone else stars every week...but not me. No...oh, no...not me, I don't get any freakin' green stars from Mr. Kenneth LaPointe. What? Is it because I'm a beautiful, sexy woman from the USA? Am I too far south for your Canadian tastes?  Do you really want to dis me like that?

Verbal star! Humpf! What do I want with a VERBAL star anyway? What does it do for me? Nothing! What does it do for you? Makes you look like Mr. Generosity...sheeze, like your bequeathing some honor for something that I've done that's more special than anything else I've ever done around this place!

Cripes, I don't get no respect around here!  You act like it's some kind of Nobel Peace Prize, or the Pulitzer!! You wanna know what I think? I think you're jealous cause I'm a lovely angel and you're a big, scary, Canadian, MAN thingy!

                            Just kiddin' Kenneth.

 A guy walks into a bar and there is a horse behind the bar serving drinks. The guy is just staring at the horse, when the horse says, "What are you staring at? Haven't you ever seen a horse serving drinks before?" The guy says, "No, I never thought the parrot would sell the place."

Oh, here's a good one.

One evening a man and a woman walk into a bar together, and sit dow. The guy sez to the bartender, "I'll have a Budweiser, and give ol horseface one." When they finished the drinks, the guys asks for another round...and one for horseface, again. 

Pretty soon he gets up to go to the bathroom, and the bartender went over to the lady and asks her, "Ma'am, why does he call you that?"

She smiled and replied, "Heeee haaa-ways says that!"

Ladies and Gentlemen...(if such a thing actually exists!)    just teasing ya!

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