Happy to read the stories and comments. I am working at an elementary school at the after school program and guest teacher teaching math and helping with the lego robotics program.
Thinking well is so fundamental to education and I can see where it would go a long way to fixing the world's problem.
My mother was quite religious and upset that I studied science in High School and college. She and others all realize people are born and grow into adults, we are decended from our parents, grandparents several generations. They can't seem to make the jump from our family tree to the chart of zoology. They believe dust settles around the house, but not that it could build up and make fossils. We all believe dogs, cows can be transformed by selective breeding( imagine great danes and chiwawas are all decended from wolves in just a few hundred years)
If there was one thing to change it would be one of time. A lot can happen in a very long time.
I got a laugh at the Adult Sunday school talking about we aren't decended from Chimps as we are not decended from cousins. Chimps are cousins, just many times removed.
Hey I'm Sarah; I was just browsing groups & I found this one(:. Evolution is deff. one of my favorite topics. I could talk about it for daysssss. I'm glad there's a group on it(:
Holy crap I have alot of reading to do....I just love the theories on evolution.....eeeeeeeeeee
Big Gorilly Hgus
DALE!!! Sorry, I lost my reading glasses! I do know your name. I do apologize.
I am still glad to be in the group.
My name is DALE! Dave is down the hall, third door to your right...
Thanks for the invitation Dave, and hello to everyone. I am an atheist and an evolutionist, but I am not really knowledgeable enough about scientific evidence. I hope to learn a lot here.
The issue of seperation of church and state is important to me. I don't understand how some people can dismiss the evidence of evolution and try to blur the line between church and state. Thank WhoEverIsUpThere for people like you.
Hi, and thanks for letting me in!
My background is in archaeology and languages. I believe in self-education rather than formal education (i.e. schools), so I am constantly studying issues and ideas that intrigue me (that would be pretty much everything). Stephen Jay Gould is one of my favorite authors. His books (anthologies/essay compilations?) were suggested as background reading in my first anthropology class at UGA. Interesting material.
Like many on here, I am concerned about the direction our public school system has taken in teaching science (evolution in particular). My son is attending a private school now (after a disasterous run in the local public schools), but I'm seriously considering homeschooling him because he's just not getting enough instruction in the sciences (currently, one two-hour period a week is devoted to science in his class, plus hands-on seasonal work in the school garden). Locally, science and history (my son's favorites) are considered peripheral subjects rather than necessary ones (like reading, writing and math), especially in the early grades.
Biological evolution is a touchy subject where I live. In fact, one of my son's (public school) teachers would not even use the word "evolution" without shuddering and apologizing. In that kind of atmosphere, how are children supposed to learn anything?
Hello! Thank you, Dale, for reminding me I need to be here!
I'm Maria, and I'm an Evolutionist. I'm continually amazed by the levels of denial to which people will climb (sink?) to dispute evolution. Very entertaining.
Of course, there are still people alive who insist that the earth is flat and the moon landings were part of an elaborate ruse.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...
For my position on Life, the Universe and Everything in no particular order:
On the Matter of Belief in G-d
Science vs Religion or Scientists vs Religionists?
“Is Darwin Kosher?”
Science - Can it dictate Ethics?
The G-d Delusion Part 1
Hello. I am Dale Husband, the owner of this group. Evolution Education (EE) is a public forum for the discussion of teaching evolution in public schools and the presentation of "lessons" about evolution. EE is not about bashing religion, nor about political controversies that do not relate to the evolution-creation issue. We also do not allow Creationists to disrupt the discussions with false or shallow claims. I intended this group to be a peaceful refuge for those who wish merely to learn about evolution like they would in a classroom. Thus both adults and children are welcome here, for this is a family group.
Lessons on evolution may be found here:
As you may tell already, the atmosphere here is totally different from the CREATION vs EVOLUTION group in MySpace. You might as well start reading here:
Dale, thank you very much for the invite to this insightful group. It is a welcome contrast to all the bashing in the myspace forum although I will continue to post there regularly. I look forward to expanding my knowledge in your group. Thank you again,
Serene, your name fits you well. Welcome. I have just returned from years of teaching overseas and watching in shock the path my country has taken. Capitalism out of control and watching the Separation of Church and State being taken by the Christians
Tania, as a classroom teacher, I am totally concerned about the teaching of I.D. in the public school system. As a parent you will be able to be your children's teacher and open their minds to understanding, theories, science, evolution... Frank is right to fear this "dummying up" procedure forced into the classrooms.
I welcome the discussions in this group for it gives strength and support for we who teach in the public school system to maintain our (teaching) goals of open thinking and analysis...to invite discussion and bring the theories of thought to the students.
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I stumbled upon this group by seeing it referenced in another group. Thank you Dale/Hosts for approving my application. I work in natural sciences education and study forest ecosystems and all inhabitants. I am a lifelong learner of many things. Biology, evolution, humanity and philosophy are some favorites. I am not a “believer” of any one theology, but do relate to some principles and enjoy learning and understanding those of others. As a scientist, I’m logical; as a human, I can be emotional. It is disturbs me when people behave in a hateful manner upon discovering that I am not a specific God worshipper, and then proceed to make all sorts of unkind judgments. As an American, I’m extremely concerned about the loss of Separation between Church and State and the ubiquitous force-feeding of Christianity. Education, understanding and tolerance are some of my core values. This looks like a great collection of people here and a positive, group learning place. Peace.
Hi. Dale has asked me to repost a NY Times article that we found well done and fascinating. So, I will be doing that shortly.
Meanwhile, thank you for the invitation, Dale. And, hello to my friends, including those yet to know we are friends. And should I have any "un-friends" here, well, hello and blessings to you as well.
I just caught the request to post here first, but I've unfortunately already posted on a couple of this groups other threads. I'm a chemist by education with a longstanding interest in evolution, natural history, a few other bits of biology, paleontology, and geology. I've read a lot of the anti-evolution literature, including the odious "Darwin's Black Box" (I don't recommend it, but I'll review it if anyone is interested!) and didn't find anything I couldn't take apart, but have learned it's no use trying to convince committed IDers and creationists.
I'm interested in the interconnections between important scientific theories, and as a chemist, I'm intrigued by the relationship of Darwin's ideas to those of the physical sciences. Darwin of course had a lifetime interest in geology, and a more-than-competent understanding of the physical sciences. Creationists/IDers always misrepresent what thermodynamics has to say about evolution. They are wrong. It's interesting that Ludwig Boltzmann, whose work was very important in establishing the statistical mechanical explanation for thermodynamics, and establishing the reality of atoms, viewed Darwin as the giant of nineteenth century science, and Boltzmann was a great promoter of Darwin's ideas.
My biggest fear is the dummying up of our children in education and trying to implement the pseudo-science of I.D. it is a sad commentary on the educational system in this once great country.
It also explains many of the decisions this country has made in the last few years--up to and including ignoring the obvious effects our species is having on our environment; as well as how far we have fallen in our ranking among other nations in scientific advancements.
I do believe that natural selection, mother earth, what ever you want to call it will put things in balance once again, even if it takes a lowly virus or microbe to put our species in check once again.
Dale, thanks for founding this educational group.
This is my first time posting in this group. I have been a member for sometime now, I have just never posted...
I would like to state, that while I believe in evolution, I also believe in God... And I am honest when I say I believe that God created Evolutionists and Scientists so they could explain how evolution works. I also believe that there is evolution to religion.
To all you experts... Is that feasible?
Hi, I'm Sally.
My father's mother is the quintessential Arkansas hillbilly. One day I was visiting her, and we got to talking about evolution. (Note: she apparently holds the common misperception that the theory of evolution has man descended from monkeys.)
With a very placid demeanor she said that she knows the theory of evolution is wrong, because it says in the Bible that God made man in His image. Then, after a brief pause, she emphatically declared, "And God ain't no monkey!"
No, I have no point. It just cracked me up when she said that and I thought I'd share it here.
Thanks for reading.
Jane, beleivers in God have always been welcome here. Even Creationists are permitted to join if they indicate a genuine interest in learning about evolution rather than attacking it. This group is run like a classroom, with me as a teacher providing lessons for others to learn from. Only those who clearly have no interest in listening to the curriculum will be expelled from the class. Otherwise, you may stay and study with us as long as you like!
Just be glad I don't give out grades!
I saw Dale's blog on the Four Ways of Viewing Creationism and Evolution saw his link here came here to read and went to my inbox and see I was invited to join hahahahaha so I am taking that as a sign to get in here and speak out my mind on my belief of evolution being not just a theory, but my fact.
I consider my self an athiest, but do practice Wicca and Buddism. Wicca in the sense of giving back to the earth from which I take and Karma. And Buddism for I am my own temple and own god in my self.
I am thankful to have been invited.
I may be what seems like an oddball here.... I'm a Buddhist, and my Buddhist name is Bhikkhu Somanassa. I spend an awful lot of time dealing with the spiritual world... teaching Buddhist ideas, writing about Advaitic thought from mother India, and pondering metaphysical questions. A not very likely member given many current attitudes in religion to science, especially evolution.
Yet the more I delve into the emerging sciences the more I see a wonderous world. One that in no way threatens any of my views and in many cases strengthens them. I'm not sure how much I can contribute here to this site. What Darwin taught and what others who carry that banner like Richard Dawkins, makes so much sense to me. I see some of the small flaws in some of Darwin's thoughts... but he himself said it was a work in progress. That the bigger picture of evolution would emerge as others carried on. A task as I said, thinkers such as Richard Dawkins are so capably doing.
However my heart is more in the emerging new physics, the cosmology of the M theory.. the delightful and beautiful string theory.... and the wonderously strange, almost zen like qualities of quantum mechanics. The world is so more odder than we ever thought... in truth it is stranger than we could dream.
I hope that I can from time to time add something that will help this site grow. I admit that sometimes I despair as I sit up here in Canada and watch with growing sorrow the slow dumbing down of many of North America's future generations. So it's good to see that others won't let this go.... or at least not without a valiant fight. The only real and true evil in this world is ignorance.... from that seed bed all else that is bad grows.
Thanks for the invite. I'm sure I'll have plenty to say, and hopefully lots of new stuff to hear, as well.
Greetings! Thanks for letting me join this group! My schooling here in Ontario, Canada was never threatened by religious zealots, I don't even know really what ID is. I am interested in and frightened by what is going on in some parts of the US school system and would like to learn more. I am currently finishing a masters thesis in beetle systematics which makes me verify that god does have a fondness for beetles and seemed to have taken a great interest in beetle genitalia
Thank you for the invite!
The ID front creeping into our schools is frightening to me. Thank you for recommended reading list as well- an excellent idea. Thanks!
Thanx for the invite Dale!
There is so much to read in this thread before I even start on the others!
Also hello to all the other members!
Dale - thanks for the invitation. I haven't studied evolution for a long time, but I know that what is happening in Kansas scares the crap out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I believe strongly in G-d, but I don't see a clash between that and believing strongly in science, which I also do.
Just because I believe in a higher power of sorts doesn't mean that I think the development of the world took place like one hand stirring the pot. To me, that is absurd.
I am a strong proponent of evolution, always have been, always will be.
I hate the thought that any school teaches this BS and tries to make it pass for science. What is happening to the US???? I'll avoid the politics, but we need to get a certain group out of power or pretty soon we'll be praying for a cure for cancer instead of doing research.....
Every language on earth represents a village that struggles to find the words to describe the universe they see with their eyes.
We all see the same universe. We all have the same history and ancestry.
The only differences between our many different beliefs are the lies, made of mere words, that we tell to innocent, and vulnerable, children trapped in our classrooms.
i just thought it wud be fun to listen to some new and old arguments on my favorite topic for arguments.
We just moved here to Kansas from the DC Metro area. Big change. Big, big change.
I saw this little plaque that was a note from Toto. "Dear Dorothy, hate Oz, took the red shoes. I'm going home." I know home is Kansas for Toto, but after seeing what's going on here in KS, I'm ready to click my heels.
Welcome Tania!! yes please keep us Informed about the ID pushing in Kansas.
Love & Light
I see you live in Kansas, where biology teachers are being REQUIRED to make statements endorsing Intelligent Design and casting doubt on evolution.
Please, KEEP US INFORMED!
Dale, thanks for the invite. Gee, it's been a while since I studied evolution in science class. I don't know how much I can contribute to this group because there is so much information. I'll be reading these threads for a long time just to catch up. Because I have kids, because I can't believe what is going on with the public school system, I feel that I have to read and keep up. It is simply crazy that creationism, Intelligent Design, whatever you want to call it is being taught as science.