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Eclipse F.	Kundalini rising October 17, 2005 1:35 PM Before we start discussion on this important subject for spiritual development i suggest that we should first diefine terms. Everybody talk about Kundalini, and it seems when they talk about it it looks like they know what they are talking about. Is it really so? Do we know exactly what we mean when we use expression kundalini? Usually in the books kundalini is defined as hidden energy sleeping on the end of our spine waiting to be awakened. After spiritual practise this sleeping energy is starting moving to above to the top of the head. It happenes so only tio those rare people who invest effort in kundalini awakening, others never use this hidden potential to this theory. Is it really so - kundalini like sleeping princess waits for a prince to awake her? I am afraid like usual picture is much more complicated. Kundalini is never sleeping - it is always awake, and is always working. Only in one point of life kundalini stops working: in moment of dead! If you are alive, then be sure that kundalini is alive too. But from where then comes that feeling of kundalini rising up along the spine to the top of the head? I believe that many of you had that expirience. Question is where kundalini was before and what happenes with it after? Kundalini is infact the same energy which we call chi or life force. Just when that energy is highly concetrated in one way - to the top of the head or in another down stream, then we recognize it as kundalini. In between, and that is the most of your life time, kundalini is driving circles around your body. It is everywhere in you, in every cell of your body. Kundalini is following every process every event of your life - from love to illness, from happiness to sedness. But if you want to get out from life, and go to another spheres or if you want to step out from all existance and step into nirvana then your life energy follow your wish and makes re-arrangement. It`s concetrates in your abdomen and it begins journey out. That way out is off course top of your head: sahasrara- 7th chakra. How kundalini approaches sahasrara, one whole on the head is opening, where connection with Universe and everything existing is established. After that you can stay in nirvana forever, and if your decision is to come back to help this world with your new wisdom then you must perform journey just this time in opposite direction. You are leading kundalini from the top to down. Sahasrara is closing and kundalini is coming back in your body. Again it begins to circualte around your body but this time on another way, your energetic structure is changed. For the reason above i am not using wrong expression 'kundalini awakening' but more apropriate 'kundalini rising'. So if you manipulate your life energy on this radical way it is called kundalini. If you manipulate your life energy only through the boundaries of your body - for sake of your health or special powers and keep it inside - then you call it chi. If you don`t manipulate this energy at all, and you just feel it, then it is life force. So it all hepends what you are doing with it. But big question is who manipulate life force? Who is leading kundalini to the top of the head? It is not happening just like that, it is not enough to do practice and everything will hapen on its own. You must to have a wish for that, strong desire for liberation. And who is the one who has that wish and manipulate kundalini in you. If enlightenment is only rise of kundalini then kundalini should move on its own. And that is not the way it is happening. So there is something more powerful then kundalini inside, and that is your true SELF. Self is not just mind nor kundalini, self is using kundalini to express itSELF and to see itSELF. Self wants to see itself, and that is impossible while your life force is floating through your body, when is imprisoned inside boundaries of one body. Self needs freedom, it must get away from the body. Enlightenment is process of deliberation where your true self meets itSELF. What is your trueself , i don`t have the answer, but you all will be able to see it on your own after rise of kundalini. [ send green star]
IshenWarri I.	This is great! October 18, 2005 4:13 AM It gives me more clear picture of what Kundalini is, with your explanation! W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
IshenWarri I.	I forgot to say October 18, 2005 4:45 AM that what you said, made me see the connection between the taoistic "internal alchemy" - Nei Tan, and the Kundalini knowledge from India. I myself use to check this scheme over the microcosmic orbit when I feel something in my body: http://www.kheper.net/topics/Taoism/microcosmic_orbit.html I have experienced "The bubbling spring" so many times. The K1-point under the feet. Before I found this scheme, I had no idea why I got the different bodily sensations..... W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	clarification October 18, 2005 4:03 PM Glad that it was useful! One of the most important things here is to deal with many prejudices and to see things realisticly. Now we know that many 'different' traditions have only different names for same things. Link you have posted is very precious for everybody who want to unite what is common in spirituality. Like every classification and this of mine must be taken only mandatory. It is true that Taoist made great development in manipulation with life force for many everyday needs. But also they know methods for starting chi moving up, like in kundalini yoga. Also Indian yogi were not only concerned about how to leave this world fastest as possible and forgot on practical ways for using their expirience. They also had developed many methods of kundalini manipulation inside the body for practical purposes. Also Christian mystiques were talking about light coming from stomach traveling through heart streight to the top of the head. It is same expirience everywhere. What i was trying to say is : there is no awakening, it is more like transformation of something you already have. For most of the people is the same like your true self who exist from always and will forever, just you can`t see it right now. [ send green star]
Robert M.	October 20, 2005 6:14 PM "Awakening" doesn't really refer to the energy, but rather to the effects of that energy upon the individual experiencing it. Just something to think about. Robert http://www.robertmorgen.com [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	what is awakening October 21, 2005 6:16 AM Glad to see you Robert! this is your first post in our group, and hope not the last. In case taht somebody doesen`t know yet, Robert is running excellent group Kundalini Awakening where you can learn lot about this. In this group we are going to deal with kundalini stuff only when it is concerned with enlightenment. For many hundreds of tehniques of kundalini rising i shall give recommended list of places to visit and of course any of you can recommend whatever you find it useful. Term Awakening in general refers indeed to personal changes in new way you see things and feel things. Together with this we can see very often expression kundalini awakening where it refers strictly to kundalini expirience. Of course it doesen`t metter how you call it, it is important to live it! One word or another it is not a big deal, what i wanted to say is that after rising very often comes a way down, and that doesen`t mean that your Kundalini would be 'aslept' again or that you would lose you 'realization'. I am saying that way up is not more natural then way down. Both are equally natural! when my kundalini was starting to move up i really felt that it was a natural desire of my true SELF to get back 'home' where it belongs. Now i am back here again!? And every place is a home. Spiritual awakening which happens upon, brings great transformation in yourself. You will never be the same. Old person you used to be will never exist again. It is not just some personal change, like in psychology-it is much more then that - it is change in your way of existance. Metaphysical change. Effects of that energy transformation is deep and complex. I can see Robert you are using this term awakening in more general point of view. My view on this however went through severe changes what is after all the very purpose of whole process. I don`t see it any more like analytical logical process, step by step, if you do this it will happens this.. no. Now i see it more like "hann and the egg" case. You can`t tell it who was first. Same is in spiritual awakening. I can`t say precisely what was first - my spiritual transformation or rising of kundalini? If there were no some spiritual transformation what could make kundalini rising possible? There must be some process inside you which has as a consequance energy transformation. For that reason in many spiritual schools you must go through serious process of practise and devotion to become prepared for this explosive energy imact. Otherwise kundalini rising could find you not ready and find it self in a 'wrong body' where it could make a pretty damage around! Spiritualy awakened person can see that this reality is not what you think it is. And after coming back i can see now that it is not what i thought it was in enlightenment state either! So, as you see, there are two sides of the story. Awakened from illusions of materialism, and awakened from illusions of spirituality too!! Much more about this you can find in some previous posts. And you can see now that i know exactly what i am talking about. [ send green star]
Eclipse F.	and conclusion... October 30, 2005 11:31 AM Ok, let`s make conclusion: kundalini rising is neccesary but not sufficient condition for realization of enlightenment. This must happen but you don`t need to see it, you don`t have to pay any attention on it. It can just happen on itself, and if you miss to notice how it`s moving up, don`t worry; it will take effect same as if you have seen it. So you don`t need to waste time and energy on techniques with which you can make kundalini up or how they say 'awake' it. You just follow your spiritual path, follow your search for truth and kundalini will follow your desires. To many people it happened to 'awake' their kundalini and to miss enlightenment! And the opposite case is not rare: mystique doesen`t pay any attention on kundalini (even sometimes doesen`t know what it is) and becomes enlightened! This is usual thing among christian or muslim mystiques. Don`t follow their example however, it is good to know what is happening inside of you. It is good to be aware of, but not analytically like in some scientific process, spirituality is different then math. You just follow your insticts, and all rest will happen by itself. When the moment come - when you feel like you must go up to the source, just do it, and it willl go without problems. Your desire to know the unknown, to meet your true self, will make kundalini rising happen. [ send green star]
IshenWarri I.	Great!... October 30, 2005 11:54 AM Thats how it was for me. I didnt expect it and it happened surprisingly. I am not going to expect it later, but proceed with following my intuition and work with the spiritual process. W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
Amin A.	November 10, 2005 11:44 PM "Now we know that many 'different' traditions have only different names for same things" so true Eclipse! very informative thread! [ send green star] [ accepted]
IshenWarri I.	How do you know when it is a kundalini rising? November 11, 2005 10:22 PM I am asking because I had an experience in june 2005. And I am not sure about what the signs of a kundalini rising is. I went to a spiritual meeting, where we meditate several times in a day plus doing many other things. Anyway, an hour before I got this experience, we was meditating to a cd with music for the chakras. Starting with root and moving up. And we would use this meditation to work with blockages we feel in the chakras, and try to release it. I felt that I had no blockages in my chakras so I was not sure what to do. And suddenly I felt that I just should lay down and relax... I laid down on the floor and I slept through that hour...at the same moment they ended this cd, I woke up. It was obvious that I was not in this dimension because I slept very deep and heard nothing. And then we had a break and after the break we was meant to work with our root-chakra...to ground ourself and stand in our own power. While I was standing there, focused about grounding and feeling my center....to feel my own power...I suddenly felt a heat from root-chakra...and it moved up to the heart chakra...then it paused maybe one minute...and then I felt this heat moving up from heart chakra and out crown chakra... And what I experienced from there was pretty weird. I felt like I had something on my head....and this something was like it was a huge "lotus-flower" there, really physical. I was baffled. And then suddenly I was in a silent, peaceful space. I felt I was somewhere where it was only golden light..... I stayed there for a while, I lost all sense of time and space while I was there. But then I felt I was drawn back to myself, so then I left this incredible beautiful place. We had a new break, before we again would meditate before dinner. And then after the break we sat down to meditate. I dont remember what the theme for the meditation was...because I was still not present after visiting this special non-time non-space dimension...I dont know how to describe this dimension, really.... This time I felt like I flew out of crown-chakra and went out over the whole world. I felt like I was a part of an atom, a part of a virus, a part of a bacteria, a part of the soil, a part of a plant, a part of a tree, a part of a mountain, a part of a skyscraper, a part of the glass in a window, a part of......anything here on earth...and then I moved more and more outward...away from earth and out in space..that I was a part of the space itself, a part of the asteroids, a part of the stars...a part of the gas-clouds....a part of............the whole universe...I could feel I reached something that felt like the edge of the universe..but then I stopped and moved backward again... I have never had an experience like this...not so "real" sort of.... And a little later after this meditation..I began to feel unwell...I felt nausea and that it was in solar plexus chakra. I decided to do what a man told us at the meeting. He said that the kundalini energy could easily get out of control, so then it was smart to vision a thermometer and see what the "temperature" was. He had used this method with success. He said that if the thermometer was more than 30 degree Celsius (86 degree Fahrenheit) then it was too much and it was smart to vision glacier on crown chakra... Well, I visioned the "thermometer" and funny enough it was over 30 C/86 F. So I visioned a whole ice-mountain on my crown chakra. The "thermometer" showed that the "temperature" went down to under 30C/86F. At the same moment I did it, the nausea dissappeared, and I felt well again. Well...this is my story.... Sincerely W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	Golden opportunity November 13, 2005 4:06 AM I expected to see someone else to give comment on kundalini, we have here many expirienced spiritual workers, but it seems they appearce too 'shy' around here. So here is my comment.. As usual again something unusual from you Wisdom. Yes it is kundalini rising and you should trust to your feelings more. People usualy 'know' when it`s happenes, but and other case is normal. This was too-soon kundalini rising, for which you was not enough prepared to. But we shall leave to destiny what is too soon or too late - when it was happened that way then there must be a reason. In my opinion reason for this is that this demo-program should make you stronger in your toward deliberation. To some people with doubts these kind of expirience helps them to make their mind easyer on where to invest their energy to. Other reason is that your spiritual past life herritage is western one, in other words - of hermetic kind. That means that enlightenment for western hermetists was never goal number one but more kind of tool to gain access in secrets of Universe. They used it to walk down and up from higher spheres to lower ones. Like some inter dimensional passengers. So this voyage was often in both directions done for several times for life. On this way mystique workers from EuroAsia were helping historical changes on Earth or how they used call it, worked together with god. For this purpose one-way kundalini is not wanted, kundalini must be free to go in either way - up or down. Of course sometimes historical moments require from someone to do it even that one is not yet ready. This ready is to be under further analysis. What means "ready" - ready for what? For deliberation? And what if deliberation is not your life goal.You must to see it first how it looks like and then to be sure what you want. That`s why this 'demo-program' occures. Deliberation for most Europeans is not primary goal. But it is worthy of your expirience, that`s for certain. So Sapiencia, you was not yet ready according to East tradition but you are completely ready from our point of view. If there are some miner problems they can easily be solved, as you did it with termomether trick. Going out through Crown or even ajna chakra is proof for succesful work. That what went out is not kundalini anymore - it is your self. There will be more outgoings like this till the moment when you realize that there is nobody to go out and nowhere to be going! That is final enlightenment. While you still feel that YOU are connected with ALL there is still separatness between you and the world but that distance is smaller and smaller and speaking truth it is now only metter of shades. Most important part of the job you have already done! Now it is on you how further do you want to go. Trouble is that most of the people with similar expirience don`t know what to do with it so this golden opportunity is usually lost. Leaving the door open destiny has chosen you for some special task on Earth. Your job is then to use the virtues from above to apply it to down and taking virtues from down to help the higher realms. No blocks on your way - means that you already had enlightening expirience in some of your past lifes. Everything is given to you, now you just have to learn how to use it for general benefit. [ send green star]
IshenWarri I.	Thanks... November 13, 2005 7:41 PM This explains many things. That I have had past lifes where I got enlightement and the western hermeticism... I KNEW I had a kundalini experience, but then someone said to me I didnt have a kundalini rising, so I got insecure. I guess I get doubt too easily if someone tells me I didnt have this or that... I see now I need to learn to trust my feelings no matter what. I agree that I got this as a "demo-program" sort of. So I could see what I want. I have the ideal circumstances to keep on if I want. So the only thing is what my lifes goal is. Which I dont know, yet. Thanks again W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	another way November 14, 2005 1:29 PM What is really metters is your re-unification with Universe. On what way, and what others may say is not important. Kundalini is just a tool used to get connected with higher self. So there are different kinds of kundalini rising, sometimes ruther unusual and so was mine too, (about what i shall talk more in some of next topics). Important is, i must repeat - only result. So some unexpirienced "expert" can be easily confused if your way of kundalini rising does not fit in usual schema. That shouldn`t boder you, and you have no reason even to think about it, or analyze it and miss magick of that moment - just go for it. One more thing. Your expirience is precious example for what i call 'yoga of life'. There is no doubt that your rising was stimulated by some recently solved situation in your life. You don`t have to tell us what it is, just to confirm is that right? I had similar expirience in my quest for enlightenment. I did greatest breakthrough when i solved some situation in my life succesfully, when some dillema was behind me. Then only one meditation is enough to make your kundalini rising up like a rocket. That yoga of life is even more important for us from Europe and west then for Easterns. I an not talking here about desires which we all have no metter from where are we, i am talking about doubts and dillemas specific for our rational mind. We cannot just destroy our mind like they easily do on the East, we need to solve our dillema on way we can understand. That`s why many westerns seekers after long and succesfull practise of all possible sadhanas, after many sammadhis, after kundalini awakening, still are far away from enlightenment. You must solve situation in your life, there is no guru from East which will pay your debts in karma, there is no guru who can transfer his shaktipat on you and so give peace to your mind. You must do it for yourself. When you are one with your life then you are one with Universe. [ send green star]
IshenWarri I.	Hehe... November 14, 2005 8:49 PM Yes, you are right!! And I didnt even know, untill a few days ago, why this recent situation happened. Talk about being confused, huh? [ send green star] [ accepted]
Releafer R.	Kundalini rising.... November 20, 2005 7:47 PM Its nice to see others here on this subject..My spontaneous kundalini rising was very physical. It started with a thought that made me bend over in pain in the solar plexus area and it straighted me out so that I was standing on my toes screaming and as it flew out the top of my head. I immediatly had my eyes acting like shutters were ratching open til a beam of light was coming from the forehead. I didn't mention that another hueman was with me and kind of assisted in that we looked in each others eyes and watched the face melt into a thousand faces as the eyes retracted to expose the beam of light between us. The more we relaxed and let it go the further into bliss and ectasy we went. We eventually laid down and let it take us....we lasted in that state for about 5 hours afterwards was 3 days of extreme peace. I remember thinking why isn't it always like this....and in 3 days my mind realized there are no needs. Fortunate for me my friend was aware of this awakening and I've always wondered if she was the guru that day...we have since drifted away and her mate won't allow me around I can't get a response about what it was like for her.... My second experience was in a hotel room in Kabul Afghanistan witnessed by a Huston rocket scientest on his way to india to learn sanskrit....this time it was more like liquid sunshine and blissful and it bled over onto others in a restaurant that feel to the floor at the incredible love that was projected....we sat at a table glowing in awe for about 4 hours....people were asking me all kinds of things and crying and blissing. Then again three days of complete peace in the knowledge that there are no needs. Those kundalini risings happen to me 34 years ago and its been my whole life since...its absolutely wonderful. thank you [ send green star] [ accepted]	(Member Is Blocked)
Eclipse F.	What a story November 23, 2005 3:49 AM Thank you for sharing your magnificient expirience with us. In the moment like i was there with you and felt the whole atmosphere. Moments of unity. Why it is not always like that? you should ask maker if there is such thing, but it would be little exhausting isn`t it? Another question is why can`t we make it happen when we want, or at least more often. Answer on the letter is - with stronger sipritual practise. But even with these i must say don`t expect everyday extasy, there is few moments like this provided for everybody of us, and that`s it. Diamonds can`t be found on every step right? What left is moment of peace and harmony feeling of unity with world. Yes that person was kind of guru for you. As i already said in one of previous posts, dear person who is here to help you on your path must not be enlightened to get you closer there. It must be inspirational, to be able to awake your potentials. Kind of chanell - something you miss to fulfill you and so enable your connection with eternity. You never know who that person may be. It doesen`t even have to be spiritual, but it has to have ability to awake spirituality in you, to feel empathically that something wanderful and important is happening inside you. Your story Enos is an excellent example of what i am calling 'yoga of life'. Some things must to happen to open heaven gates in us - we must be somewhere and with some particular person and that can make your kundalini rising thousend times stronger then all existing spiritual methods. In some way these things are connected with world history. It is not coincidence where your mystical expirience took place. Places rich in mysticism are also rich in historical events! Did your transmission of god light to the ground helped somehow people in Afganisthan? I think yes. Maybe it stopped some disaster in that poor country rich with catastrophes. What i am wandering is how comes that you didn`t take steps after to make these expirience deeper. Why did you just leave them in the past? Their purpose is to bring you closer to enlightenment, so you should use this opportunity and continue to the final goal - deliberation. [ send green star]
Releafer R.	Kundalini rising November 24, 2005 2:56 PM It seems that when a person invites one other hueman to hear the experience of kundalini rising it should not be critized as its not how you think of the experience, its the mechanics of the experience that one should be interested in. How the experience came about....how it felt physically was there any witness....what was there recollection if any on a physical level. These types of interest, in "A" experience, will window others to the opening...it will open the ears of understanding. My view of any bodies experience means nothing except my interest the mechanics of that "kundalini rising". Don't get stuck on the bliss and ectasy...get stuck on the physical description of that happening as these recalls will only refresh the moment when grace warms and you relax and let it happen. On a physical level for me was the body feeling of total connectedness and the way the eyes ratchet open as the force moves out the head to expose a third eye viewer that sees white light and aura. The eyes actually hold open without blinking till thier actually not a perception point but out of service as one enveloped in light the body completes the circuit and one is in a world of aura. Now this should make people drop everything to access there kundalini to get the full effect of being HUE-MAN being rather than a human on a path. There are no paths....only ruts....there is no God....only godliness....if your always on shore and never take the dip.. its like a seed that never tastes water...its a dormant world without heated chankras. You will also taste of "Knowledge" when you rise, like visiting a familar place in space, that will bring peace and connectedness to the knowledge of "all that is" as de ja vu takes over. So instead of being a critic of the experience for ones own ego....embrace it and find out all you can to get your "grace" period....namaste [ send green star] [ accepted]	(Member Is Blocked)
Eclipse F.	your choice November 24, 2005 6:04 PM I was not criticizing at all.. everybody can see that. Except those who see things with evil eyes... from my previous answers anyone can see that i am pretty much open toward any unusual expirience. Listen buddy, if you want to pick up a fight then you came on wrong place. If you want to pretend to be smart.. again wrong place. If you want revenge - wrong way. You see I was expecting this. It could be told from your fake profile. I can recognize that writing style from before. You haven`t done well your homework, next time invest some more effort when you try to do this again. Everything was clear especially when i sow who joined the very same day when you did.. In one word we don`t have a time for hurted egos. We have more important job to do here. So... good buy. [ send green star]
Amin A.	November 24, 2005 9:22 PM uff we really dont need this kind of distraction around here! or anywhere else for that matter! and why does it keep happening so often?! Eclipse why do u even have to respond?! [ send green star] [ accepted]
Alina M.	Eclipse & Amin November 24, 2005 11:22 PM You are both mistaken. Last few days i see people getting emotional and their egos get hurt a lot, maybe there is something in the air. But if you could only try for a sec to objectively read the post ... It may sound like i'm defending Reliefer, but believe me i have no clue who he is. And maybe it is better this way, so i or anybody for that matter can see objectively. In his post i was getting the message, that the mechanism and the process is the core issue we should be concentrating, not the end overwhelming feelings that come out of it. I think this is what he was saying, and the word critics used in above context means evaluate, not rant. Mho. Love to both . [ send green star] [ accepted]	(Member Is Blocked)
Amin A.	November 25, 2005 2:43 AM if we all read the thread from the start we can c that no one was criticising anyone until releafer's second post. where he is criticising eclipse cos he thinks that eclipse is criticising him! THEN onwards, the thread took on a completely different topic! Eclipse's response to releafer's account was not criticism as releafer understood. it seems to me that eclipse was simply trying to get releafer to add on some more to his story. we've gone over this a million times already and eclipse has explained on all the threads that we must read beyond his english since it's not so good. eclipse, i think all the above posts should b deleted starting from releafer's second post including mine, u have my consent. i should have and will in the future post such responses as this one privately and advice very one else to do so. but i decided to post this here on the thread so that the distraction caused can b clearly seen.. there is NOTHING about Kundalini rising in this or the above 4 posts!!!! [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	It must be that retrograde mercury again November 25, 2005 4:56 AM Yes, one of our members predicted this - that when mercury become retrograde again people will be more sensitive and ready for fight. But it is not happening so often Amin!?? if you remember last three months was peaceful and quiet, we had an easy going discussion. Yes I agree that such cases should be ingored, but my policy is never to expell anybody without explanation. Second thing is - my english is not the best but i meant everything what i said. Yes i usually delete posts which are not connected to the subject but theses arise from the subject on some way, and they are good example for beginners what is happening when unbalanced people are going thru kundalini and what disasterous consequences it may have. Everybody including me who went through kundalini expirience were fascinated with some physical aspects of kundalini rising but after enlightenment that turned out as being totaly unimportant. I even forgot everything miracolous what happened in that process, what were so significant for me then, and now i know that such things were only tools which led me to the final goal. Over occupation with physical aspects of kundalini shows immaturity of spiritual seeker. And if someone remain in that state of mind for the end of his life.. then he has a serious problem. Then again you may ask me why don`t you help him and similar cases to find the right way? Good question, but trust me i know from my expirience then when things come to that - it`s usualy too late. Paranoic people don`t trust anybody and in every sign of disagreement of in any attempt of giving them advice they see a hidden enemy! Those who are coming with arrogance don`t want any help, and deny any possibility that they may be wrong. With devastated ego and polluted spirit they just bring us here bad vibrations. Look at his profile. On question 'top causes' his answer is "none ... causes are ego .. dualminded"! So everything what we are trying to do here on care2, to stop the pollution, awake human consciousness, save endarged animals, all that is just our ego!!?? And if someone fells down on the street and maybe dieing you should not help him - it`s only your ego makes you think he needs help. Now you see what a disasterous consequences for your mind and spirit may come from some modern phoney theachings, like paroles - everything is one, everything is illusion - is dangerous to adopt in your personal system if you are not really prepared for true meaning of these insights. Some cheap occult schools are offering you to become an instant 'god' and after few rituals, tantra and instant kundalini you already begin to believe that you are a god, enlightened, realized teacher? just look what they did to him. I`m afraid it is too late for that poor guy. But it is not late for the rest of you. Thanx for your proposals and remarks. In future we can go on private communication if case is off the topic (what Alina already started!) Its pleasure to have you here volks! [ send green star]
IshenWarri I.	I hope November 26, 2005 1:02 AM I never get stuck in being fascinated with some physical aspects of kundalini rising. I also hope I never will be unbalanced and because of that, get bad consequences.... And if so, I hope there is someone, like Eclipse, who can tell me "HEY...youre doing something wrong now". Hehe..... Yeah the mercury retrograde.....blah....I feel it very well this time......oh well...the planets do for sure influence... W9 [ send green star] [ accepted]
Amin A.	November 26, 2005 4:42 AM yes Sapiencia, Eclipse is totally right about that. that we shouldnt get hung up by the experience itself, the physical aspect of it. this reminded me of a friend who had just started on the path and had just discovered the duality inside him and had started hearing his own voice inside his head and was shocked by this. but he interpreted it that he had attained enlightenment since he could now b at one with everyone around him and that these were voices of ppl around him. of course it was obvious that he was disillusioned and was hung up with these voices that were really his own and instead of using them to reconcile with himself he was hung up on them. yes its very tricky sometime! we should never b in a hurry to assume that we have gained all there is to gain from an experience it can always b deeper and we can learn more more it [ send green star] [ accepted]
Subhadra S.	July 13, 2007 3:42 PM I know it's an old topic, but I hope someone is still watching it. I have been experiencing a great spiritual awakening, with aspects of my kundalini stirring also. This information has help me to understand some things. But I am all alone in this spiritual quest. No guru, no one, to guide me. So I am leaning on God to get me through this. And trying to digest what I can off the internet. (Lot's of junk out there too) I like your explanation that you call it kundalini arising. Can you tell me, does everyone experience a spectacular kundalini awakening? or can it be a more gradual, gentle awakening? I feel it stirring, I know it's moving. I'm willing to work with it, and help it channel, but I have to admit, I am afraid of a "full-blown" release in an most unfortunate place. I do my best meditation in the temple in front of the Deiites, because it's Krishna that's helping me. I'm afraid at times it's already hard to contain my emotions and physical responses. I probably could experience a real breakthrough if I just let myself. I wish my yogi didn't go off to India. *Anyways, sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated all your explanations Eclipse. Wish me luck, I'll get there eventually.* [ send green star] [ accepted]
Eclipse F.	So many.. October 14, 2007 1:25 PM ..ways, so many gurus .. schools out there. If i understood you correctly you probably expect some help from me? I am the last man who can help you becouse there was nobody to help me, and by the way i didn`t want it too. Many others need fell as they need "help"? what help? are you person with hendicap? Off course you aren`t, you have everythng you need inside you. You live in richest country with greatest number of gurus and teachers.. well.. maybe yes. Mayb eyou really need some help. Living in USA is great hendicap that`t for truth - especially in spiritual kind of things. Yes you really could use some help. Unless you were sent here by some old joker like sarvo or .. what was hre name?? darky.. or something. Smart people have more important things to do then to play games, like to save yourself out of this trap called life. Called .. reality. If there is such thing I am on now and will give answers to you quicker then it was before. [ send green star]