This is one of the best articles to read; it's actually quite funny. It combines a taste of reality, with a nice poem, followed by the different types of taxes we have. It also compares the US today to 100 years ago. It's one heck of an article to read.
Ok, all done, post away.
Thank you Shane. Excellent article!
Shane, thank you for posting this!
I meant to do the same last week or so but never got to it. It's just excellent
Thanks! You've seen this one, then? lol A friend of mine forwarded it to me, thought it was pretty good, so, why not?
This is great, Shane. If everyone in the United States read this list, I practically guarantee that there would be a major protest that would make the Million Man March look like a Sunday school picnic. I'm going to forward it on to all my friends. Most of them are already furious - and to read this would be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Keep up the good work, everyone!
I would make it mandatory study in civics/government classes.
Obviously the 535 should be the ones who count.
Basic elitist arithmetic.
Taxes bad! Circle Jerk Time!
What a Luddite.
So we shouldn't have a gasoline tax? How should we pay for the interstates? That one system that made us the envy of the world and our economy the most robust? Not to mention that the tax is directly proportional to use, which libertarians should agree with,
You don't think we should tax cigarettes? They cause disproportionate damage to the population. How much should we charge them?
Building permits aren't taxes, as well as a number of others. Many of those speifically are state and local taxes as well, which aren't controlled by the 545.
Chile, obviously, some taxes need to be in place, I won't argue that. I believe the point of that portion of the article is that there is an abundance of unnecesary taxes, and, when all added together make those in gov't quite a bit more powerful, and those that pay them struggle that much harder. Seems a rather dangerous ratio.
Perhaps it would be interesting to see all the things that could or should be taxed, and aren't.
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Fees paid to the state are a form of taxation. Period.
a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes,
property, sales, etc.
a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.
Leave it up to the progressives and we'll be working 365 days a year, instead of only 224 days, to be able to pay all the taxes we're charged.
"Sin tax" is just robbery. If someone smokes cigarettes it doesn't cost the public anything - oh wait, that's unless the smoker is enjoying one or more of those 'entitlement' programs we all pay for, and their health demands medical attention that's actually due to smoking, that we all pay for.
Hmm... by your standard, Chile, we better start adding "sin tax" to 90% of that garbage on the grocery store shelves too because it creates far more health problems than cigarettes do and on a much larger percentage of the population. Oh, and what about those 'legal' drugs - better "sin tax" those too because we're paying out the bum treating patients for symptoms and illnesses caused by their "side effects."
That might be the dumbest argument you have ever made. Cigarettes via second hand smoke don't have health effects on the public?
What a zealot.
Shane, didn't you claim you were done with me?
I don't have a problem with any of those on that list. All of those are for services that are better provided by the public than private industry.
Yeah, "I'm" the one making "dumb arguments" ... You'll just never learn, will you, Chile
Yes. You are making TERRIBLY STUPID arguments
You are a piece of Work...
Chile, as long as you make a coherent argument; minus the senseless, pointless, counter-productive ego-food (some people call them insults); then I'm quite happy to address your arguments.
I'm not so sure about the smoke thing being safe, I mean, I'm a smoker (sometimes), and second hand doesn't agree with me; not that first hand does, either. But then, again, who knows? I don't have any gripe with sin tax, actually, and I'm a smoker and a drinker. (Occasional on both counts, thank you).
I'm more than willing to admit, that it's bad stuff. It's addicting, for sure. But, there are lots of things that shouldn't be taxed. The things that are very obvious added and unnecesary charges, like the plethora of phone related charges, and the tax on having a well, or the tax on one's property that doesn't go away after the mortgage is paid, so, essentially, you're still paying rent. Bunch of crap.
The gov't goes too far. It is supposed to be an authority; the glue that keeps the nation together, but not damn a landlord. Once you buy property, it should be yours, at least once the mortgage is paid in full. That land then belongs to YOU. Unlce Sam should keep his pedophile hands off.
Oh, of course, anything that argues the scientific methodology behind 'global warming' research is automatically wrong.
It's time we put the blame exactly where it belongs.
Agreed, Angelica. Ya know, after Obama was elected I prayed (literally) he'd be 'the one' who who really was telling the truth despite all the 'big money' backing him, that he'd be 'the one' that would turn the tables and tell those he promised favors to, "sorry, I was lying." I prayed that he really meant it when he said "change" because I knew that it's always a 'choice' to sell out or not. But alas, he chose not to tell his benefactors to f'of, choosing to keep his 'off-the-record' promises to them instead.
Oh, that's another cool thing about Paul - if HE 'sells out' to his benefactors, which is 'main street USA', the working class, he'll be selling out to the people
That's one of the key elements in that petition I wrote:
The part where gov't officials would not (in the name of the gov't, or in any relation to its operations) at all be allowed to engage in this kind of commerce. No extra funding for campaigns. All campaigning is then done on the web, on tv, and in the papers, each candidate getting a mandatory amount of exposure.
No more money would be allowed to exchange hands in relation to issues voted on in any way by a body of government. The penalties would get worse and worse, depending on how many decide to ignore the law. Penalties act as a deterrent, so as to avoid any crises from happening in the first place.
Shane: "The gov't goes too far. It is supposed to be an authority; the glue that keeps the nation together, but not damn a landlord. Once you buy property, it should be yours, at least once the mortgage is paid in full. That land then belongs to YOU. Unlce Sam should keep his pedophile hands off."
Not a damn landlord..... Yep. The government believes it owns everything. We only purchase a right to use property. And that only as long as the government doesn't decide it wants to take if away.
The bar to government taking your property was elliminated by Kelo v. City of New London. Under this ruling the taking clause of property was expanded to allow for confiscation of private property, not for the common good vis a vis public uses, but for pretty much any reason that rationalized the confiscation as a public good. Private ownership to a more politically powerful Private ownership. In this case, a Corporation wanted the property and claimed they would add jobs. So the preceived public good was the jobs. Today their confiscated property is a vacant lot. The Corporation changed it's mind.
Within a couple of blocks of me there are three houses that are being sold because the owners cannot afford the property taxes. Two are elderly who have lost income from their savings due to government/Federal Reserve policies of zero interest on their savings. That last policy is being done to support the politically powerful giant banks.
Thanks for that info, Jim. Yes, that's even worse, really, than the principle of property tax itself; that sociopathic self-serving attitude that is the American Way.
Have you ever seen Capitalism: A Love Story? It's one of Micheal Moore's films; very very interesting.
And this is the thing that kills me, too, is we have a comparitively small handfull of people pushing around and basically having their way with hundreds of millions. Billions, if we look at it on a global scale. It's inconcievable. It makes no sense.
I guess it really just illustrates better than ever the strength of unity. 545 people working together can topple 300,000,000 or about 7 Billion on the global scale; simply becaue they work together, while those millions or billions just mill around; ignoring, blocking it out, or whatever they're concerning themselves with. It's really quite pathetic.
I suppose it comes the general selfishness we have. Very rarely will people get involved in another's troubles. People don't stick up for each other enough.
I'm sorry; I have no respect for the tobacco lobby, or for the advertisers who know that smoking is a vile habit that can make you sick or kill you, yet they still promote the habit. Undoubtedly there are people out there whose systems are tough and robust, and who can live to be 100 after smoking for 80 years. More power to them. But my grandfather died of lung cancer at the age of 58, and he smoked like a chimney and smelled like one. So did my favorite uncle, who died of emphysema at 55. I had a boyfriend once who stank of smoke every day of his life - and HE died of emphysema at 36! I always thought that smoking was nasty - and I still think so. It stinks up the air, and overworks your vacuum cleaner to get all the ashes off the carpet.
I have never smoked and never will, and I'm glad that my children never took up the habit. I don't think badly of my friends who smoke. I've got a few bad habits myself, such as overeating! But I don't want to lose any more of my beloved friends and relatives to something so useless as smoking. This probably would be a much healthier world if the English settlers hadn't learned how to smoke from the Indians. But the Indians themselves only smoked on ceremonial occasions - not as a constant habit!
I think that today's smokers are misguided by the advertising lobby. That industry should have tons of bad karma stretching into the next millennium.
OK, all you smokers out there - let me have it! I can take it!
Cigarettes are horrifically toxic and shouldhn't even be sold. Over 4000 ingredients were added to cigarettes to make them more addictive. Unintentional effects were atomic bonds that resulted in poisons like Hydrogen Cyanide. But that's just one.
(Don't hate me, Shane!)
545 people working together can topple 300,000,000 or about 7 Billion on the global scale; simply becaue they work together, while those millions or billions just mill around; ignoring, blocking it out, or whatever they're concerning themselves with. It's really quite pathetic.
Agreed, it is pathetic, Shane.
Yeah, like Dawn of the damn Dead. The bunch of us shuffling around, moaning and groaning uselessly, while a handful of people pick us off for amusement.
Angelica, it's quite alright, I only smok once a week, and that's only if I'm out having a few beers. (Beer without a smoke is like pizza without chees to me, it just doesn't work!).
But no, Mary's right, and you are, too. There a sh_tload of additives, not just the ones to hook you, but also the pesticides they spray to keep the bugs off their crops. And the preservatives. And who knows what else? Very bad stuff. If I knew how, and had the time, I'd grow my own damn smokes.