I don't post this lightly, I know it's very sensitive material. But this is some very blatant B.S., and I think it's important to get it seen as much as possible. Don't worry, nothing graphic in here. lol And you'll see why anything graphic will NEVER rear its ugly head. This is B.S. Don't give away your weapons!
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NO, it was NOT a hoax, 20 6 year olds were murdered by a very sick young man.
His mother was a survivalist who had guns in a home which was very questionable.
New app by NRA is highly offensive to victems of Newtown.
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Were you there? Did you know any of them personally? Or, like most, are you perhaps lashing out with emotion before watching the video? It's an understandable reaction, I'm not blaming you, but I would suggest watching it before bringing your inner jury in.
Hope you are doing well.
I watched the video. All of it. Some compelling things relayed. Now, I really don't normally go for the full out conspiracy theory idea. Maybe in part because I don't want to believe what might be. I also think to each conspiracy lies certain truths or evidences. Things that can make a story valid depending on the bend you make.
Some points that hit me in the video was the Parker father coming in all smiles to the press conference. His eyes were happy, face appeared stress free to change into the man he was when he began to speak. I can't say though, who knows how this man reacts to lifes events.
The older gentlemen with the 6 children story, I have to admit. Even the day of the tragedy, or whenever it was his first interview was. He struck me funny, like this dude just wants attention. Making it about him and what he did and how felt. It was just a bit dramatic, even in this event. Now, it could be as said in the video, he is with the actors guild. So maybe he just one of those dramatic types. Don't know.
The facebook pages being created prior to the incident are disturbing.
I guess what I am saying is, interesting.
It certainly did push the gun issue. I just don't know.
Like with 9/11, there is compelling information there.
I just don't know. I have to go with my gut and just say I will consider it. I don't put much past the government. Yet, I still hold some faith.
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I don't remember that older guy at all (untilo yesterday).
But maybe he is someone who wanted his 15 mninutes of fame and acted a bit weird in order to get that 15 minutes. That doesn't mean the whole thing is a hoax.
Nancy, no if that were all they had, then I certainly wouldn't think twice about it, either. But there's LOADS of evidence in there that does make a very strong case, much stronger than the creepy old guy.
Suzanne, your comments are greatly appreciated, and I hear ya, that's the best outlook to have, really. Objectivity. That's perfect. Not sold on either story, but willing to hear the details. That's very refreshing, since most I've seen, just start throwing poo without even examining the evidence. Hope those types don't end up on jury duty, like, ever.
Shane, I have to admit to the thought I have had myself that some of the stuff that gets put out there as proof does deserve to have poo thrown at it.
Certainly there's a lot of junk on the internet. I don't post this kind of stuff unless I'm reasonably sure it's got some good content to offer.
I will admit this video made me say ... hmm. Others have not impressed me.
The rifle footage was of interest. The explanation for the man in the woods is nonexistant. Is there an explanation or something out there about him at all?
I mean it could be attributed to chaos at the scene.
I don't know...
Sounds like the same garbage that was spewed about Colorado shooter being a different person than was arrested, more and more crazy conspiracy theories.
In the mayhem that day, confused reporting happened and this guy to make his moment of fame claims conspiracy, hoax .... crazy talk from crazy people.
Sorry, I am impatient with crazies as there are far too many of them around these days who have nothing better than to cook up plots, conspiracy theories, hoax, etc.... next, a martian killed the Newtown victems or Adam Lanza was a martian via body snatchers.
A girl I went to high school with lives there, and her kids go to that school. It happened for real.
There are a lot of questions though and interesting coincidences.
Shane, I responded in a couple other groups. I did find the idea of a government disater practice to be a bit compelling. But websites can easily be faked. All those websites being used as evidence could be faked.
Hard to know real evidence from faked but as Rebecca say.....
Rebecca, I appreciate you sharing that
Seriously, some of the questions and coincidences are curious. The video Shane put up is definitely one of the not so over the top kind.
I think much of the confusion and reactions have a lot to do with the utter despair of that day. The many agencies and people involved. The news organizations trying to scoop the other with all kinds of info whether accurate or not.
A lack of confidence in our government.
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Yes, I agree that the video is Not so over the top. I have seen some that are way out there.
Well, Rebecca, your'e the absolute first and only one I've heard that could actually verify the shooting itself was real in any way. So, I'm inclined to believe you. However, this does not say that there was not more to it than some stupid kid going nuts for no discernable reason.
SL, I've been rather civil thus far, but I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm "crazy". I'm far from it. What I am is objective, and curious, and a thinking man. I do not accept the word of media or politicians at face value, they've shown themselves to be false far too many times.
"Crazy" is when people just go with the flow, no matter how much evidence there is to the fact that the flow is taking us somewhere we don't want to be. If your eyes see a waterfall, and your brain convinces them it's just foggy ahead, then who's truly crazy?
How do we snope Snopes? Seriously?
You'd believe Alex Jones over Snopes?
Yes, there really are Newtown truthers.
But in the crazy world of Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, this one may be the worst yet. (Maybe you’ve already heard some of the others, like the one about fantasy ties between the gunman’s family and the LIBOR banking scandal and a related theory about the Aurora shooting and the “Dark Knight Rises.&rdquo Most of the theories are really pieces of a larger meta-theory: that the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax, perhaps by the Obama administration, designed to stir demand for gun control.
In the latest angle, theorists think they have found “absolute proof” of a conspiracy to defraud the American people. “You reported in December that this little girl had been killed,” a reader emailed Salon in response to a story. “She has been found, and photographed with President Obama.”
The girl in question is Emilie Parker, a 6-year-old who was shot multiple times and killed at Sandy Hook. But for conspiracy theorists, the tears her family shed at her funeral, the moving eulogy from Utah’s governor, and the entire shooting spree are fake. Welcome to the world where Sandy Hook didn’t really happen.
There are dozens of websites, blog posts and YouTube videos extolling the Emilie Parker hoax theory. If you Google her name, the very first result is a post mocking her father for crying at a press conference after the shooting. One popular video, which already has 134,000 views, was made by the producers of a popular 9/11 Truther film. “Just as the movie ‘Operation Terror’ shows the 9/11 attacks were a made-for-TV event, so too were the mass shootings … There can be no doubt that Sandy Hook was a staged event,” the narrator intones. He goes on to say that the adults who participated in the media coverage of the shootings “should be prosecuted as accessories after the fact in a mass murder” — i.e., the parents whose children were murdered in the massacre should be thrown in prison.
The crux of the theory is a photograph of Parker’s sister sitting on President Obama’s lap when he visited with the victims’ families. The girl is wearing the same dress Emilie wore in a pre-shooting photograph of the family shared with media, so she must be Emilie, alive and well. “BAM! I cannot believe how idiot these people are [sic]… That’s her,” one YouTuber exclaims as he watches the two images superimposed on each other. (Apparently missed by these crack investigators is the possibility that the sister wore Emilie’s dress and that they look alike because they are sisters, after all.)
The supporting details to the hoax theory explanation are reminiscent of the arcana of any well-developed conspiracy theory. What about
The supporting details to the hoax theory explanation are reminiscent of the arcana of any well-developed conspiracy theory. What about the car? What about the rifle? Why does someone off camera allegedly tell Parker’s father to “read the Card” (as in a cue card) before he goes on CNN? Why is he laughing? Who is the guy running into the woods? Why is there police audio referring to multiple shooters? Why does one boy who survived the shooting tell Dr. Oz it was like “a drill”? Why was the principal quoted by a local paper after she died? Why do some of the parents look like some of the victims of the Aurora shooting — are they “all actors”? All of these questions have simple explanations, but in each case, the theorists have sided more with less likely, but more nefarious possibilities.
One man has taken it upon himself to catalog all of the theories atSandyHookHoax.com. By way of credentials, creator Jay Johnson explains: “I am the only person in the world to solve LOST,” he writes (yes, the TV show).
In an email exchange with Salon, Johnson said he initially “wanted to help the kids express their feelings and memorialize the victims … But then I saw how the local paper interviewed the principal after she was dead, and I realized it was 99% odds another psychological operation that was going on,” he explained.
Noting that he started the website on “12/21/12” he explained, “since I am the New Age Messiah, with my Look Your Heart in the Mirror™ as the new revelation from the Goddess Tefnut, aka Ma’at, of Egypt, I thought the date was significant.”
But the hoax theory has even earned the backing for some presumably more credible sources. James Tracy, a tenured professor of communications at Florida Atlantic University, sparked controversy this week after he wrote a blog post suggesting the parents were “crisis actors.” “While it sounds like an outrageous claim, one is left to inquire whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place — at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation’s news media have described,” he wrote.
Websites owned by Alex Jones, the conspiracy theory pundit who helped start the 9/11 Truther movement and has millions of readers, are a virtual one-stop shop for Sandy Hook “false flag” miscellanea. So far, mainstream conservative figures haven’t hopped on board, though Gun Owners of American head Larry Pratt told Jones this summer that he thought there was a good chance the Aurora massacre was perpetrated by government agents.
Then there’s just the downright bizarre subgenre of theories. One posting on the community forum of Jones’ website connects Sandy Hook and Emilie Parker to Satanism, postulating that the school was a “recruiting center” for the Church of Satan. There’s even a low-budget slasher flick called “Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre” — could that be connected?
Whether there is a connection or not, we can count on the Internet’s conspiracy theorists to find one, even if it means denying the legitimacy of the mourning families’ grief.
IMO the scope and setting of the attack makes it unlikely that it is a government deception. Unlike major confirmed lies from the government such as WMD. the Gulf of Tonkin, and various atrocities the government has perpetuated, this was a public school and a town. The ones I mentioned were more easily controlled because they were under military or tight government control and were acomplished with media cooperation. There are questions raised here. Disturbing ones. I just don't see it as being a likely. hoax.
Inconsistencies are likely going to happen in the first moments of reporting in chaos, but they should be cleared up fairly quickly, like within a few hours at most.
I cant view videos at c2 from this kindle... did it address the "no record of an Adam Lanza" thing, the claim that Ryan is Adam (or Adam is Ryan)? someone at FascistBook posted a story about that, and showed Google and different people search site results for Adam Lanza and nada, but Ryan and his parents all come up with connections to each other. I thought that was strange.
And really, SL, please stop with the name calling. Nobody here is "crazy'" - least of all Shane, Nancy, Rebecca, Suzanne, Jim or myself.
Katii et al. My statement does not pertain to anyone of you here.
It is projected at the people who make this stuff up on internet via youtube, websites, etc.
"Sorry, I am impatient with crazies as there are far too many of them around these days who have nothing better than to cook up plots, conspiracy theories, hoax, etc.... next, a martian killed the Newtown victems or Adam Lanza was a martian via body snatchers."
I thought above was clear but if it is not, I am saying it was meant for the lunatic fringe who plot those crazy stories on the internet.
Well, SL, had you actually watched the vid before sounding off and insulting Shane with your remarks directed at the author of the video but that reflected on Shane because he opened this thread in all seriousness. Further, there is nothing "crazy" about the author, or anything presented in the video except for WHAT HAPPENED, which are many inconsistencies and flat out weirdness - still.
Twenty 6 yr. olds were riddled with bullets, some were unrecognizable and no way was this planned by the government. It is ridiculous to believe they set-up an autistic young guy with mental problems to kill his mother and go on a rampage at a nursery school.
It is what it is, an awful tragedy where unstable person used an assault weapon on babies.
Okay, here's the thing:
Rebecca, I know you've said you knew someone whose kids went there, so I have to ask: DId they see anything actually happening, other than being blocked in their classrooms? Did they actually see anything happen?
That's question one. Question two: Did they know any of the kids that were killed?
If the event is real, in the sense that people really were shot and killed, then perhaps that part of it truly is real, but that doesn't actually rule out gov't involvement. For those who actually watched the video, I have yet to hear an argument that disproves it. That Parker guy was very clearly rehearsed, and his daughter really was on Obama's lap after being "killed". That's pretty hard to fake, I would think.
The Doctor was absolutely useless, and the pedophile looking guy couldn't even keep his story straight.
Even Jesse Ventura is putting this video down, but honestly, I have to wonder if he watched, either, if he's throwing the baby out with the bath-water.
Something is very wrong with this picture. Maybe the tragedy itself is real, but I don't think this can be so easily laughed off.
Shane, read the two other documents that debunk it. I know that Parker guy really bugs you, but his reactions don't bother me.
I agree that all the details don't add up completely, not sure they always do in tragedies like this. But that also doesn't meant the government did it.
I don't think the government did it or staged it. I think they took opportunity of it and possibly played with details a bit to their advantage.
I think the older creepy guy and the smiling father are just people who are who they are. Even if odd.
Suzanne: "I don't think the government did it or staged it. I think they took opportunity of it and possibly played with details a bit to their advantage"
BINGO!. Never let a really good crisis go to waste.
What we all can know for certain that the government "involvement" is in the exploitation of these precious souls to further the known agenda of disarming Americans as much as we will allow them to. And, the more it's allowed the more we need to be "armed" ... this point can not be logically argued against by anyone who has taken a glance at the historical record of what CAN and DOES happen after a population has been disarmed by the "government.". BEST case scenario is that violent crime rates skyrocket. Nope, that's not the intention (or is it? I mean, this isn't rocket science: the defenseless are easiest targets, the armed not so much), but that is the very real consequence of "gun bans." Call Australia right now and ask how that's working out for them.
I agree that the government has exploited this. But in some ways it backfires as more and more people were out buying guns. Silly.
Yes Nancy. And a lot of law abiding gun owners are getting REALLY pissed off. This could have a very bad ending.
But I'm becoming convinced that there is just so much hatred being generated that the country is being gravely damaged. Some on the left are saying that they hope when guns are banned that some will refuse to give them up and be killed.
I agree Jim, it worries me. I am reminded of the "Mother bear protecting her cubs" scenario, but it will be Americans protecting their freedom.
The government is very Well trained in how to pit American against American (perhaps not the original intent, but "political parties" are now THE means of this divisision). The discussions in this little group between Dems and ' non- Dems' are a testament to this sad fact. It doesn't matter if you are an Indy, a Lib, a Constitutionalist, or a Rep, because according to the radical Dems/progressives you are a crazy loon if you don't subscribe to their wholly unAmerican beliefs, and fit only for being shot with the guns they have a natural right to own for self defense - particularly and ESPECIALLY defense against a government gone rogue (defined by ignoring the Constitution and imposing draconian laws and tyrannical rule: your government' now, today)'.
When Mass Murder is Really Just Mass Murder: Fully Exposing the Most Deceptive Viral Video of 2013
"This should’ve been everyone’s first warning sign that the Fully Exposed video was a fraud. At the very beginning at the 0:18 mark, the text reads, “a lone gunman enter the school around 8:40am.” Not true, he entered the building at about 9:30am. The doors would’ve still been unlocked at 8:40, meaning he wouldn’t have had to shoot the glass to get in and students would’ve still be arriving. The schedule for Sandy Hook elementary is 9:10 Pledge of Allegiance, 9:15 outside doors locked. That’s extremely poor investigative skills right off the bat."
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This thread is gross. Shane you suck.
not just a hoax, Shane ...
Max Igan, Linda West & David Aktin on The Truther Girls
If you have listened to nothing else on Sandy Hook - please listen to this.
Max Igan gives a warning to the truth community.
The Libor conection was a fake also, another hoax.
The U.S. govt. did NOT stage Newtown.