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1 year ago
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http://votingamerican.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/killing-america-its-a-liberal-thing/

Killing America: It’s a Liberal Thing

hiroshimadetroitHat tip to The Orthosphere

As traditionalist conservatives, we understand that the current order, although it contains pockets of relative sanity, is, overall, hopelessly corrupt. Although we knew the chances were not good, many of us had been hoping that a renewal of American society could somehow be brought about. We knew that the old America—the predominantly white, Christian America of ordered liberty under God and the Constitution—was in some senses gone. But while the permanent loss of America was seen as possible, even likely, it was not foremost in our minds. We generally focused on what could be done to oppose liberalism.

That has changed. While the recent presidential election did not change anything fundamental (elections cannot do that), it did reveal that even a President who obviously hates and opposes the traditional American way of life can easily be reelected. It revealed that a president who is incompetent at doing what he should, and very competent at pursuing leftist-inspired destruction, can gain the votes of the majority. It revealed anew that in the new America the enemies of a decent order have all the advantages. Barring a miracle, we cannot see how it will be possible to revive a properly-ordered (or at least adequately-ordered) American nation from sea to shining sea.

This insight did not just come from the recent election. Nearly a year ago, for example, Lawrence Auster announced that he no longer believed it possible for America to reject liberalism, and that, in his words, “…liberalism will continue until it has destroyed our civilization, and liberalism itself, having been deprived of its host, will also perish…” This conclusion was not the result of any specific event, but was rather an intuitive insight based on cumulative data.

What to Do?

It is a dreadful thing to contemplate the loss of one’s nation. An appropriate first response is mourning.

After mourning should come repentance. Part of repentance is to change our understanding of what must be done. Man naturally wants to preserve what is best about his nation, and conservatives, almost by definition, wish to defend their nation from internal (and external) enemies. It is natural for a conservative, traditionalist or otherwise, to view his task as preserving or renewing his nation.

But if this is no longer possible, what’s a conservative to do?

Read more about this interesting insight at:

1 year ago

Personally, I am NOT in agreement with this author and article.

Blaming one party repetivively is stupid and childish. The GOP has plenty of problems!

Harry Truman was a great president and the comparison between him and Detroit is totally insane and nonsense!

Some of these right wing sites need to grow a brain and grow up because they can be downright insane and this is the type of thinking that makes the average American RUN away from them.

The content of preservation of our values is true; it is too bad that they mix up nonsense, hatred and lies with good common sense. But, American today has become a very divisive country and it is really hard to blame anyone one person or cause. It is so convoluted.

1 year ago

The democrats blame the republicans for all of our problems,and the republicans blame the democrats.You know what?They are both right.

While I do not have all the answers to what we should do,no one does,I do know what is not working,and that is the current political system.It does not work,few will argue with that.Knowing this,I do not understand why we do not do a complete overhaul of the current shitsem,get all of the career polititians out of there who are so corrupted by this system that they no longer care about representing what the people really want,and do something,anything,differently.

We need another revolution.

1 year ago

Welcome to the United States where people 'Love To Hate.'

1 year ago

We knew that the old America—the predominantly white, Christian America of ordered liberty under God and the Constitution—was in some senses gone. But while the permanent loss of America was seen as possible, even likely, it was not foremost in our minds.


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Love the Racism in here. Good work, I bet Katii and David are proud of the group that they created.

1 year ago

I get nervous around those that use such phrases and as:  "enemies of a decent order"
and:  "properly-ordered (or at least adequately-ordered) American nation from sea to shining sea."

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1 year ago

I notice that Chile didn't even bother to read the follow up comment by Shelah saying she didn't agree with the author. He just claimed "racism" by Shelah mearly posting an article. Then he goes on to somehow blames Katii and David for something?   Political correct extremism. .

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 I think that people of other races and ethnic backgrounds are quite capable of defending themsleves against racism Chile.  They don't need white progressives to do it for them as you seem to think..

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 BTW, historically, those that advocated much of what you believe in Chile were quite racist.  Today, many progressives believe in another version.......  "Noblesse oblige" is racism. 

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Fact is that government policies and programs most progressives advocate for have been harmful to minorities,  Especially African decended Americans   But it gives political clout and talking points to corrupt politicians, their supporters and their crony's.  This is part of the ruling coalition that runs the State and exploits the productive... Making people dependent on the State is a age old method of control by the rulers.   .

1 year ago

" It revealed that a president who is incompetent at doing what he should, and very competent at pursuing leftist-inspired destruction, can gain the votes of the majority."

WOW and yet true.

Initially I had wanted to vote for Romney.  I viewed him as the sane republican.  But then he picked Ryan as a running mate and veered off into right wing nutjobbery. 

The problem is neither left nor right, IMHO it is this "corporatism" thing.

"Part of repentance is to change our understanding of what must be done."

This part I agree with and would love to see from both parties.  Especially the "right wing nutjobbery"

1 year ago

Notice, Angry Jim, that Sheila did not call out the race baiting in the article, merely the idea that one political party is to blame.

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BTW, angry jim, back in the day almost everyone was a racist. Talk about political extremism.

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Yes, Katii and David allow this shyte to be posted in this group continually. So yes. Nice group they have created.

1 year ago

Well Chile..no one is forcing you to stay here

1 year ago

Yeah sure Chile, You're so caught up in your political ideology that you see everything through a haze of racism.  I guess you missed:  "it is too bad that they mix up nonsense, hatred and lies with good common sense."........ Seems pretty clear to me what Shelah is saying.

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 " Katii and David allow this shyte to be posted in this group continually." ..... So, you would have Katii and David police this and on top of it use your standards to do that?  C_R_A_Z_Y.  ......Perhaps you should just go where everyone says exactly what you want them to say.  

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I stand by my comments. 

1 year ago

I didn't post it to race bait.

I posted this to show the insanity of what is out there.

But of course, chile loves labeling and his mindset is that I am a racist.

Chile: is so pathetically narrow minded that it is absurd and the stuff you post is not race baiting, hate, ??

 

  I have seen plenty of trashy shyte you put out there Chile.  So shut up or shape up!  



This post was modified from its original form on 07 Aug, 16:13
1 year ago

Maybe the Obama devotees are running scared because his popularity is waning and people aren't going to drink that much kool aid again.

 

Don't be surprised if Libertarians get the focal point in the next elections.

Don't be surprised if people more and more are taking good hard looks at Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

The next couple of years will be very pivotal and time will tell.

 

1 year ago

Chile, let's have a good mud slinging if you want one; but I suggest you read and not scan or rather cherry pick what a person is saying.  you feign to know it all anyway and you think you can mindread. 

 

are you happy being monitored by NSA all the time and if you ask your cell phone co. for hard copy of your own acct. you are denied; go get a lawyer to get that for you is their answer.

But they hand it over to our Govt. without questions.

 

But, of course you love this stuff, you love the totaltarian state that Obama made worse than GWB. 

1 year ago

I rarely do come around. I can see this random racist crap from various members. I can watch Jim assisgn everyone else ideologies based on his own biases.

I could care less what people say. But what overtly racist shyte gets posted in a group it should be called out. That's what I did. You defended it.

yuk.

1 year ago

So you can't put anything in a closed fist! That shouldn't be to hard to understand. People use behaviors to control and manipulate by having them protect and defend themselves. That's a behavior learned in childhood and many use it their whole life. Look at what people in the US choose for those they have to represent them and show me where it's any different then the sharing of thoughts on subjects right here in this group or anywhere else in life. Communication was and has always been for sharing with others and never was suppose to be a competition or a fight to be won. Our whole society seems to have closed fists which make it impossible to share .

Zoos and parks have a sign that reads, "Don't feed the animals." Maybe that applies in attempting to share with others also!

1 year ago

Chile:  I put the article up because of the absurdity and the fact that too much of this crap is out there all the time.

 

I think pointing out the extreme is important and how dare that writer post lies about Harry Truman and compare him to Detroit.

 

The republicans have done much damage to this country and the last one was GWB.

 

I am not surprised he had a heart attack which is stress related.  At least he has a conscience and stressed over his presidency.

 

I am an INDEPENDENT now,  I was a democrat for over 30 yrs. and a republican for one year.

 

I do not want any party at this point in my life.  I will not tolerate lies, deception from any of these politicians because they are wrecking this country.  it is up to the voters to make the changes.

 

Some people are very caught up in the extreme right wing internet sites like Prison Planet,  Wordpress and some crap from Voting American is simply hate mongering.

 

 

1 year ago

In my opinion, there are more extreme right wing sites on the internet because the tv is definately ruled by the liberal elites.  Fox is the only station that does not follow the trend.

 

Personally, I will NOT listen to anyone station ever because it is nothing more than brainwashing.

It is getting one biased side only.  

 

listen to the whole, not the part they want you to hear and you can only get the whole if you listen or tune in to all of them and make a decision based on FACTS not on tv propoganda from pundints with personal views.

1 year ago

I find Chile one of the biggest hypocrits on Care2. 

He continuousally points fingers but never takes a good look in the mirror.

Too bad, now wonder you never learn anything.

YUK YUK to you buster!

 

If you are truly a concerned activist go do something in your home state with that social service agency responsible for the 2 y.o.'s death.  That is outrageous.



This post was modified from its original form on 08 Aug, 9:04
1 year ago

"But what overtly racist shyte gets posted in a group it should be called out. That's what I did. You defended it."

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1.   Chile believes that even posting such an article, regardless of Shelah's obvious disagreement should be banned.  By  Chile's repressive ideology, one can't even have a discussion.....It's like Chile fears contamination or something.  IMO, this is just a bit myopic, closed minded, and yes, politically correct in the extreme.

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2.  "You defended it."   I and others defended what exactly ? .......Outside of Shelah posting an article obviously to provoke thought, I defended nothing.  

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Shelah and I often differ in what we believe.  Sometimes quite passionately.  I may seek to convince her, but I  also defend her right to having a free opinion, be free to post articles regardless of their nature.

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People that come to conclusions based on thought, experience and evidence rather than on propaganda, supressed ideas and distorted viewpoints form a solid basis of Social power vs State power.   This is an essential basis to liberty.  Without this right, real freedom can not exist but is only a illusion.  Those that wish to repress thought are not advocates of freedom and liberty. 

1 year ago

Again, you blatantly lie to try to paint someone else into a corner.

I said, "I could care less what people say. But what overtly racist shyte gets posted in a group it should be called out."  I didn't say "banned". I said "called out". The rest of your diatribe is more Jim self-righteousness. Its funny, yet sad.

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You did defend it. You said Shela said she disagreed. But she didn't disagree with the racism, she says she disagreed with the politics.

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The whole premise of this article is based on failure of Dems and implying failure of black dems in specific. That anyone would even bother with this article is pretty revealing.

1 year ago

Chile:   " Katii and David allow this shyte to be posted in this group continually." ....Pretty .clear on the banning. 

Also pretty clear that Shelah DID disagree with the author.  Unless you consider "calling out" the author on ." nonsense, hatred and lies"  as being a positive comment. 

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I don't have to "paint someone else into a corner" with you Chile.  You do it to yourself.

1 year ago

From the Katii and David that banned Christian, LOL.

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Yes, racists, come in, post your stuff. Christian - Get out!

You mock yourself

1 year ago

Chile- seriously now, I don't see that post as necessarily racist.  Not at all.  The overall article IMHO is a bit obtuse.  But face it, in 1776, this was a white male christian country.  That's a fact.

Here is the rest of the article BTW:

http://orthosphere.org/2013/01/01/resist-and-oppose-liberalism/

Much in it a disagree with. Actually just about all of it.  But it tells us what is going on in the minds of others, something I try to understand.  

But I have every right to read it, oppose it, post the link, and ask for comments as Shelah does.  And if you don't like the article, you can address the article itslef and that author rather than this group.

1 year ago

As I said earlier.....  Noblesse Oblige is racism of another kind.  And Christian was not banned because of what he said, he was banned because of his continued abuse and personal attacks on other members. 

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It's telling that you cannot tell the difference.  You insult those that struggled against real racism. 

1 year ago

Chile is still fighting the Christian ban and I emailed David personally that he should not be banned but it was abuse that David got sick and tired of and he explained it to me.

 

I like diversity.  there is so much abusive rhetoric on all political sites when people discuss who should be president and who should not.

 

I voted for Obama in 08, I would not vote for him again.  I do not agree with his politics except for Keystone; I don't like fracking.   This country is not doing well, sorry, I  have never seen such an anemic job growth, there is none.  Everything is part time, not full time.  I feel sorry for many young college kids today.

1 year ago

You know Nancy, my computer shuts off with that link and also a few others  (Wordpress ones), does it happen to anyone else.  It is always the far right sites and my connection goes down, it happens all the time.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

1 year ago

Racism is good! Racism is great! Yay!!!

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Support the racism, ban the one that insults the racists! yay!!

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You insult those that struggled against real racism. 

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I see. You don't understand that people still do? no wonder you are so blind to the entire point of this article. To paint black Democratic leaders as failures. I am surprised, Nancy, that you don't realize it.

Painting and corners meet angry jim.

1 year ago

Chile..in MY book,the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jacksons are nothing more than charlatans.


http://archive.lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w-williams168.html

1 year ago

Could it be that the institutional racism of Jim Crow occurred not despite the Progressive era but because of it? Not only did the Progressive reforms create new economic rents that could be exploited by whites and by the politicians who enacted those reforms, but many leading Progressives espoused views on racial purity and segregation that put them in the vanguard of the American apartheid system.

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=947

1 year ago

where did my last post go?

1 year ago

Chile, if you refer to one more person in this group a racist I will race myself to the Boot button.   I mean it.  I don't get to be here very often and the one day in weeks I'm able to get into c2 I have to find the same bullshyt we've been reading from you for YEARS.  Enough.  Change that broken %#&!*% record, Chile.

1 year ago

David: "Could it be that the institutional racism of Jim Crow occurred not despite the Progressive era but because of it"..........

Ding ding ding! Exactly! And today's progressives exploit blacks and other minorities by using them to continue a corrupt system that keeps those minorities dependent on the State. They are "farmed" by progressives for their support and their votes. They are always willing to "help".

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The hypocrisy is stunning. Progressives widely believe that the federal government has the authority over the states in regard to things like marijuana legalization. The racist war are drugs destroys families and enables crime and violence. Mostly black families. Telling where progressive priorities are.

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1 year ago

Progressive Liberals are destroying the republic and they do not believe in a democracy.

They are Obamanutz who agree with totaltarianism and a Big Brother State.

 

NSA is so out of control under Obama and don't blame GWB for how far Obama took it as he went way over the moon with NSA>

 

NSA has already targeted certain people in USA listening to their phone calls and reading their emails.   Bill O'Reilly thought they were incapable of actually doing this; NO they are not and I would not be surprised if he was a target.

 

This is how Obama and the liberal progressives operate.  They believe in imperialism.

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