START A PETITION34,000,000 members: the world's largest community for good
Group Discussions
  Government & Politics
| track thread
« Back to topics
About that 9/11 thingy... Part II
6 years ago


1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.


2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

c. Was there an air defense standdown?


3) Pentagon Strike

How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93

Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?



6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?


7) Demolition Hypothesis

What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites and, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)


8) What did officials know? How did they know it?

a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.

c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers

a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military''s "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.

b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another coincidence.


6 years ago

Where were we?     "Transition In Progress"

6 years ago

Nice recap, Katii.       

6 years ago

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11

A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration''s order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O''Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading

a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.

b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.

c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?,0,1825231.story

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006


13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department''s translation of it is fraudulent.

b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dialysis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CB?

c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up

a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).

c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.

d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York

The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.


16) Disposing of the Crime Scene

The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17 - 40 HERE


6 years ago



23) Spitzer Redux

a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (

b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell''s) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.


24) NIST Omissions

After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence

The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola''s faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.


26) The Legal Catch-22

a. Hush Money - Accepting victims'' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections

a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)

b. The issue of Ptech.


28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters

The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

6 years ago


What I didn’t know at the time was that, in late 1999 and early 2000, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the U.S. Army’s Special Operations Command (SOCOM) had authorized a data mining operation called Able Danger, in which vast amounts of classified and open-source intelligence on al Qaeda was being processed using powerful “search bots” that surfed the Web around the clock. Within months, the Able Danger analysts had amassed 2.5 terabytes of data, equal to 12 percent of  all the printed pages in the Library of Congress.


By early 2000, working out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia, and the Defense Intelligence Analysis Center -- the very center where Ronnie Bucca had served -- the Able Danger investigators had found key links to four of the 9/11 hijackers. They also found direct ties between bin Laden and the New York cell of Ramzi Yousef and Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman. This dovetailed with my findings that the two attacks on the World Trade Center were perpetrated by the same core group of al Qaeda operatives. The Abel Danger data miners later found a major al Qaeda presence in the port city of Aden, Yemen.


The active pursuit of that intelligence in the early fall of 2000 could have prevented the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October, and tipped Bureau agents to the 9/11 plot more than a year before the attacks. For reasons as yet undetermined, though, the vast cache of data-mined intelligence was ordered destroyed in April 2000. Worse, when two decorated Able Danger operatives, an army lieutenant colonel and a navy captain, sought to share this scandal with the 911 Commission, they were effectively spurned.

The senior counsel on the 9/11 Commission staff who rejected the Able Danger intel, and kept it out of the final report, was Dietrich Snell—the same ex-prosecutor who had buried my evidence that the two attacks on the Twin Towers were directly funded and controlled by bin Laden and al Qaeda.


6 years ago


Peter Lance interview on Coast to Coast HERE


Peter Lance is a five-time Emmy-winning investigative reporter now working as a screenwriter and novelist. With a Masters Degree from Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and a J.D. from Fordham University School of Law, Lance spent the first 15 years of his career as a print reporter and network correspondent.


He began his career as a reporter for his hometown paper, The Newport, R.I. Daily News. There he won the coveted Sevellon Brown Award from the A.P. Managing Editors Association. Lance next moved to WNET, the PBS flagship in New York, where he won his first New York area Emmy and the Ohio State Award as a producer- reporter for Channel 13's news magazine THE 51ST STATE.


Later, while working as a writer and producer for WABC-TV Lance won his second Emmy along with the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism prize for WILLOWBROOK: THE PEOPLE VS. THE STATE OF NEW YORK, an exposé on a notorious institution for the mentally retarded. He also was award The National Community Service Emmy for that same documentary.


While getting his law degree, Lance worked as a Trial Preparation Assistant in the office of the District Attorney for New York County. Moving to ABC News as a field producer in 1978, Lance won his fourth Emmy in 1980 for his investigation of an arson-for-profit ring in the Uptown neighborhood of Chicago: “Arson and Profit.”


In 1981 Lance became Investigative Correspondent for ABC News. For his very first investigative piece on 20/20 Lance won his fifth Emmy for “Unnecessary Surgery,” an exposé of unnecessary surgery in an Arkansas hospital. He won two more Emmy nominations in 1982 for 20/20 investigative pieces on Formaldehyde “The Danger Within” and toxic waste: “Deadly Chemicals, Deadly Oil;” a piece that also won the National Headliner Award.


Over the next five years he covered hundreds of stories worldwide for ABC NEWS 20/20, NIGHTLINE, and WORLD NEWS TONIGHT.


He was a member of the first American crew into Indochina after the end of the Vietnam War. He chased rebel insurgents through the Plaine Des Jarres in Laos and members of the Gambino Family through the toxic wastelands of New Jersey. He tracked knife-happy surgeons in the Deep South and nuclear terrorists through the twisted streets of Antwerp. Then, in 1987, he took a break from non-fiction.

Lance came to L.A. and began working as a writer and story editor for Michael Mann on two of his acclaimed NBC series: CRIME STORY and MIAMI VICE.

In 1989 Lance became the co-executive producer and "show runner" on the fourth season of WISEGUY for CBS and in 1993 he co-created MISSING PERSONS, for ABC. In recent years, he has served as a writer and consulting producer on such series as JAG (NBC) and THE SENTINEL (UPN).


In 1997 Lance's first novel FIRST DEGREE BURN became a national best seller, ranking No. 24 on The Ingram A-List The Top 50 Requested Titles in Mystery- Detective Fiction. The film-noir mystery features FDNY Fire Marshal Eddie Burke.

Later Lance adapted VEIL: THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA, Bob Woodward's best-seller on William Casey for HBO. For Showtime he wrote TERROR.NET, the story of Bradley Smith, the courageous Diplomatic Security agent responsible for helping to apprehend the world's most notorious terrorists.


In the year 2000 Lance returned to investigative reporting with his best-selling non-fiction investigative biography: THE STINGRAY: Lethal Tactics of The Sole Survivor.



This post was modified from its original form on 26 Feb, 21:28
6 years ago

In the year 2000 Lance returned to investigative reporting with his best-selling non-fiction investigative biography: THE STINGRAY: Lethal Tactics of The Sole Survivor.


Following the 9/11 attacks Lance began investigating the origins of the FBI's original probe of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Ahmed Yousef. After visiting Yousef's former bomb factory in the Philippines, he came away with 100's of pages of classified documents proving that Yousef had set the 9/11 plot into motion as early as 1994.

Lance then went back and examined the FBI's original efforts to stop Yousef in 1992 as he built the first WTC device. The result is his acclaimed investigative book from Harper Collins 1000 YEARS FOR REVENGE.


Lance followed that book with COVER UP in 2004. In it he established evidence that federal officials entered into an “ends/means” decision in 1996 that buried a treasure trove of al Qaeda-related intelligence in order to preserve a series of Mafia-related cases in the Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn).

Lance presented probative evidence in the book that a senior Organized Crime Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI’s New York Office (NYO) may have been in a corrupt relationship with a Colombo Family killer. It was the FBI’s desire to prevent this potential scandal from tanking the mob cases, that led, Lance determined, to the al Qaeda evidence suppression.


A year after COVER UP’s publication the Brooklyn D.A. commenced a grant jury investigation inspired, in part, by Lance’s revelations about the Supervisory Special Agent: R. Lindley DeVecchio. On March 30th, 2006 DeVecchio was indicted on four counts of second degree murder stemming from that D.A.’s investigation.


In TRIPLE CROSS, the final book in Lance’s 9/11 investigative trilogy, he provides stunning evidence that senior FBI and Justice Dept. officials may have obstructed justice in their failure to monitor Ali A Mohamed, Osama bin Laden’s principal spy inside the United. States.



6 years ago

Katii - please oh please oh please oh please start posting links to your posts - not just to the parts that you don't post.  Please....

6 years ago

Elizabeth, I don't know what you mean by "not just to the parts that you don't post" - the links are to the entire body of what I've posted, whether I posted the whole body or not.  Stunning the moves taken to hide info prior to 9/11 and to cover-up after the fact.  If I missed something in another thread, let me know what it was and I can easily dig up the link for you - just have to google the title or a string of words from the the article and voila.


Rhonda, my links are always embedded in the posts.  All the 'blue' words are links!

6 years ago


This video (movie) contains information I wasn't aware of (or forgot) before viewing, and I'm just 26 minutes into it. 


Just stunning the moves taken to hide information prior to 9/11 and the cover-up after 9/11


6 years ago

Say what you want about Sheen's personal life and choices, but crazy he's not.  When it comes to 9/11 he's quite sane.


6 years ago

Didn't all of his problems start after he started talking about 911?


One media attack after another could have contributed to the meltdown.


Come to think of it black ops are not above slipping him low level hallucenogenics. It is widely speculated that is what happened to Howard Hughes.


After attacking the Dems on gun laws Charton Heston rapidly developed Alzheimers.


Very convienient IMHO

6 years ago

"I wish Diane/Dee/Rubywahini were here to respond to this information."


Damn, lady if ya want somebody to call you an idiot just ask! LOL- 911 is down to those that have never been introduced to the facts and those that agree there was a cover up.


The good part is that the next time they pull a false flag on our soil there will be a hell of a lot of people yelling "BULLSHYT" at the top of their lungs.

6 years ago

Let's think about that. The NWO plans on keeping 500,000,000 alive- as property or whatever. Dr. Rima was told about "the great culling" while she had an appointment with a prominent woman.


How many are such useless pieces of crap that they would yell "pick me"?


I am sure part of their duties would be to squelch any and all talk of the NWO.


So anytime you bring it up look and see who makes the most noise- it might be cowardice, not fear.

This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 11:51
6 years ago

Edward and rock! My eyes certainly have been opened to all of this. Ruby is gone????  Paint me yellow and call me big bird...I hadn't even noticed?

6 years ago

Well, I'm here, Rhonda. What can I say? You just keep digging and gathering pertinent information on 9/11 being an inside job. As soon as I can read a study performed by engineers that 9/11 was an inside job....BINGO....I'll be a believer. Until we actually have some concrete proof that has been examined by those who are qualified to do a study, I'll just sit back and read the desperation in your voice wishing it were so. I am fully capable of changing my mind.....if I have concrete information to support it. So far, I have been reading "theories." Videos can be altered, unfortunately. Rhonda, I do not agree that you are a crackpot. Far from it! I do feel with your imagination that you could write a great novel. I'll believe the official story until you folks can produce a legitimate study of 9/11. It's bad enough that it happened and killed 3,000 innocent Americans. But to then believe that we did it to ourselves is a bridge too far for this time. Personally, I don't want to believe that we intentionally murdered 3,000 of our own people. However, if it is proven that we did murder 3,000 of our own people then you will have opened my eyes and the majority of Americans who thought it was an act of terrorism led by Osama bin laden. I'm wondering why someone hasn't taken these videos and theories to the United Nations. This would be an act of civil war on Americans much like what Quaddifi is doing right now.

6 years ago

Another weekend at care 2.....


Let's think about that. Dr. Rima was told by a well placed female patient that "the great culling" was coming.


We have been told that the NWO plans to allow 500,000,000 to live as pets or whatever. How many useless pieces of crap do you think would yell "pick me"?


I am sure one of tyheir duties would be to squelch any talk that might enlighten people. So when you hear "denyers" look to see if it is fear- or cowardice.

6 years ago

Rhonda- be very careful what you wish for.......


Very bad things can come from wishes.

6 years ago

  Common sense is a good thing to keep with you at all times.  

6 years ago

"Ruby is gone????  Paint me yellow and call me big bird...I hadn't even noticed?"


Pests are like that- you really only notice them when they are spreading filth.

6 years ago

Edward, she misses me.....because I like to give her a hard time.    We go way back and have said it all to each other.


Rhonda is a bright woman.   Now....if I could just get her turned around the other way.....


And she would love to turn me around the "other", there you have it....two stubborn women.    Is there anything worse?  

6 years ago

Just don't start taking a dump in my thread.  Shyt in your own yards.


6 years ago

This truly kills me to say this but I am not a big believer in 9/11 being an inside job.  Every time I read, see or listen to someone or some article or some documentary about 9/11, I always see both sides and YES both sides have great arguments but there are so many holes...At this point I dont know what to believe...But I will believe this WHOEVER did it killed a lot of Americans and that is what pisses me off.........


This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 12:50
6 years ago

Diane O.   WELCOME BACK   .... missed your fighting spirit;  just lay low on the condescension and you will be the winner in the spars.....  The Brits said it best:  you can say anything; it is how you say it.....


bottom line - diplomacy at its best.


This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 12:54
6 years ago

There goes the neighborhood


6 years ago

"YES both sides have great arguments but there are so many holes"


Uh uh. This was so covered up it made Oswald's murder look like an interview.


And where is all of the evidence? Being sat on by the new gestapo. Yup- the FBI

6 years ago
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Edward because you have done so within the last week.

6 years ago

Hey Edward R.    St. Patrick's Day is a coming up on March 17th, all the Blarney in the world is accepted as he chased out the demons from Ireland and he has been blessed with the shamrocks and the leprechauns.... So be it .... says the Irish who love a good Green Ale or Beer this week.   NO Winers please. 

6 years ago

I got lost in Transition here.   Edward R.  It is st. patrick's day acoming amongst us all... it is time for the blarney to be put aside as the great st. p. chased all the demons out of Ireland.   God Bless St. Paddy  and Beer and Ale for all next week, no winers here!!!!

6 years ago

Kat, the feds story has way way more holes in it than the theory that says the feds are certainly involved in a cover-up.  Actually, the cover-up is not even a theory; that is a fact.  Nobody needs another engineering 'study' to determine that


The facts are in there was thermite found in the debris. 


Unless someone is blind the evidence is in that the planes that struck the towers fired missiles just before impact.  I don't know about anyone else but I find it a bit difficult to believe ordinance was allowed to be attached to commercial flights without anyone noticing. 



Who the hell knows what they are covering up, I don't know and frankly I don't care - that a cover-up happened is what I care about because whoever was involved in any criminal activity related to 9/11 needs to be investigated, indicted, prosecuted and punished; but whatever the reason is, we all deserve, no, we need to know what it is.



It is nonsensical to expect engineers to magically appear with a smoking gun about an 'inside job'.  It's also disingenuous to keep harping on the 'inside job' theory when there are FACTS to be considered that point directly to a cover-up.  It's only common sensible that if there is a cover-up, and there is, then at least a part - however small or big - was allowed or done from the 'inside'.  That isn't even up for debate for anyone who's actually spent personal time researching instead of denying at discussion boards.



6 years ago

Send a Green Star to Katii L.

Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Katii because you have done so within the last week.

6 years ago

You all know how I feel and I am NOT here to argue!! But A GENUINE question...........if your theories are correct, WHY?? What was the point? If you sat "to start a war in Iraq", I am not buying that, much easier ways to go about it after all.

6 years ago

As I said, whatever I say is being filtered here....


Again, for a second or maybe 3rd time:   St. Patrick's day is acoming.....

the Saint of Ireland ran the demons out of its Emerald Isle and all is good this week.... drink Green Ale or Brew or Beer, be weary of the winers, this is Beer time only!


Top of the Morning to ya All ....

This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 13:44
6 years ago

Katii:  those defense tactical planes that are as fast as time are at Otis Airforce Base, less than 70 miles from Logan Airport  by car..... minutes in those aircrafts which defy time.     The calls came in early there was a hijacking. 


Do you believe our own Tactile Airforce Military to shoot down was on a prolonged coffee break that morning????? 


GWB and Dick Cheney got scurried off fast and they are not going to admit anything.   Would you????   


Lynn:  A matter of convenience is perhaps a simple and honest answer.  Sometimes people read way too much into things that are reflex actions.

GWB always wanted to be a wartime president and he wanted to finish daddy's war on IRAQ, after all Saddam said he had a death hunt out on daddy Bush.


Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the truth.    There does not have to be elaborate conspiracy theories when it is glaring you in the face.

This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 13:54
6 years ago

Without 911 W. would never have had a second term. And if we knew he was in on it quick enough it still would not have happened. That is only the primary reason. While Cliunton was a Bilderberger at the time he was president he was also human. In spite of whatever promises he made he still managed to keep the deficit in check.

Enter Monica Lewinsky.


That said the towers were full of asbestos and it was goin to cost a bundle to remove it. Who says traitors are incapable of multi-tasking?



6 years ago


People will believe a drug-addict would kill someone for $30 bucks to buy their next fix (certainly, because it happens), but they refuse to believe some greedy, empathy-deficit millionaire addicted to power and money wouldn't dispense with the lives of 3,000 people to not only save a 100's of millions if not a billion dollars in needed refurbishment costs but make several billion dollars instead, avoiding completely the billion dollar expenditure.  Enter Silverstein, lease holder of WTC with a multi-billion dollar insurance policy that particularly covered bomb attacks.  Go figure.


Here's a little outline of what Silverstein pulled off


The parable at the bottom of that ^^^ article:


To put these events in perspective, imagine that a person leases an expensive house, and immediately takes out an insurance policy covering the entire value of the house and specifically covering bomb attacks. Six weeks later two bombs go off in the house, separated by an hour. The house burns down, and the lessor immediately sues the insurance company to pay him twice the value of the house, and ultimately wins. The lessor also gets the city to dispose of the wreckage, excavate the site, and help him build a new house on the site.

6 years ago

On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.

The partners' winning bid was $3.2 billion for holdings estimated to be worth more than $8 billion. JP Morgan Chase, a prestigious investment-bank that's the flagship firm of its kind for Rockefeller family interests, advised the Port Authority, another body long influenced by banker and builder David Rockefeller, his age then 85, in the negotiations.

The lead partner and spokesperson for the winning bidders, Larry Silverstein, age 70, already controlled more than 8 million square feet of New York City real estate. WTC 7 and the nearby Equitable Building were prime among these prior holdings. Larry Silverstein also owned Runway 69, a nightclub in Queens that was alleged 9 years ago to be laundering money made through sales of Laotian heroin.
Building 7.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million.

6 years ago

So some people are saying the government did it and some are saying that some big corporation did it?

6 years ago

The NWO is all about corporate theocracy. This was never about our government- these people in charge are acting in their own interests.

6 years ago

OK Edward.......but I have heard people saying that Bush was responsible for 9/11! I really don't think so.  I also don't buy the corporate thing................because apart from anything else it would probably cost less to refurb the building than fly 2 planes into it and all that must have involved!! Just doesn't make sense to me.

6 years ago

Bush IS responsible for not having taken measures to obstruct an attack he KNEW, because he was TOLD, was in the works. 

6 years ago

"Bush IS responsible for not having taken measures to obstruct an attack he KNEW, because he was TOLD, was in the works."


Katii:  you said it all with that one..... AMEN! 

6 years ago

W., in my  humble opinion, was never a legitimate part of our government. Just another traitor working for the NWO.

6 years ago

Naaaah. Just very stupid IMO!

6 years ago

Katii, thanks for that info...I agree there are holes in each side and there appears to be more in the Govt side...What does get to me is not getting military planes in the air........That is something I will never understand...HOW in the world could air traffic controlers NOT know where planes are - if that is the case I will never ever in the rest of my life fly on a damn airplane.  Once a plane goes off course the military need to be notified-end of story. 


I dont think Bush knew anything about it, honestly, I dont, do I think others knew something was coming, yes....Do I think they took people off planes put them on other planes, used voice overs for phone calls home - that for me cant be explained......I dont give a rats ass about cell phones cant be used at 30K feet - well the planes werent at 30K feet, they were coming down to crash into a building.......I have gotten texts from friends on planes from Richmond to Chicago, yes big trouble for them but they did it does work and that was after 9/11.


Diane I do have to say Congrats on your marriage!  Happy for you and Mr D.

6 years ago

OMG....someone got married???? A real 'for richer or poorer' ceremony?? Thanks, Kat for the info...we need to have a party here...celebration time!!!!

6 years ago

don't want to believe that we intentionally murdered


There's no "we" about it.  I'm not responsible (except for being politically lazy for so long and being basically trapped into supporting the wealthy elite), Americans are not responsible, 99% of the federal government isn't responsible (except for their eagerness to ignore the U.S. Constitution and supporting the 'protection' of 'America's interests = profit interests of multi-national big business)


Only those few individuals involved are responsible; in our government that would be Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and their lackies.



Top Ten Worst People in the Bush Administration


1. George W. Bush, President
2. Dick Cheney, Vice President
3. Karl Rove, Chief Political Adviser to the President
4. Don Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
5. Paul Wolfowitz, Former Deputy Secretary of Defense
6. David Addington, Chief of Staff to the Vice President
7. Douglas Feith, Former Under Secretary of Defense and Head of the Office of Special Plans
8. John Bolton, UN Ambassador
9. I. Lewis Libby, Former Chief of Staff to the Vice President
10. Alberto Gonzalez, Attorney General




6 years ago


Special Agent John O'Neillwas Deputy Director of the FBI under Louis Freeh from 1997 to 1999. His specialty: Tracking al-Qaeda. In the months prior to 9/11 he sent evidence of the impending attacks, along with important information about the suspects who were planning on carrying it out, up through the chain of command and was met with nothing but resistance and attempts to ruin his credibility. Frustrated with this, O'Neill had gone public, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi/al-Qaeda connections because of the Enron pipeline deal.

O'Neill then left the FBI and began working as head of security at the World Trade Center, which reportedly offered him double [some reports say triple] his current FBI salary. His first day was September 11th, 2001. He was the man taking over for the complex's then security-head, Marvin Bush [the President's brother] whose company, Securacom [a.k.a. Stratesec], happened to be in charge of security for United Airlines, as well as the security detail at Dulles International Airport, from which American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly hit the Pentagon had originated that morning.

O'Neill was on the 34th floor of the North Tower when the first plane hit. He had evacuated the building and was last seen alive by fellow FBI agent Wesley Wong outside the South Tower about 15 minutes before it collapsed. His uncharred body would be found weeks later under a stairwell of that same building. John O'Neill --the Man who Knew--was dead at age 49.


6 years ago

For those who "just can't believe" that the government wouldn't ever plan to deliberately kill people to justify military 'intervention', read THIS 


and  THIS: CONTRIVED Pretext for Justification of US Military Intervention in Cuba, 'Operation Northwood' (from 1962)


Fifty years ago was a different 'age' without 'instant' access to digital information, including GPS, visual and audio from anywhere around the world to anywhere around the world.  In other words, by virtue of communications technology and the undoubtedly the level of 'transparency' that came with it, it has become more difficult to trick the masses and other governments into believing some 'rogue' nation has committed an act of hostility, which logically would call for more elaborate if not more horrible 'operations' as those proposed in Northwood, which you can read all about from the horse's own top secret memo at the link above.


And that's just what we've been allowed to know about; if anyone thinks all covert and ultra-cover government/military operations are not kept secret and classified then you have another think coming, and are in need of cure for the Pollyanna Syndrome they're suffering from.

6 years ago

Hey Edward, how'd you get that Google vid to embed?  I can't even find a link thingy on a Google vid


6 years ago

Dunno, I was in a Hypnotic Trance.


Actually I googled it.....

This post was modified from its original form on 13 Mar, 21:57
6 years ago

As soon as I can read a study performed by engineers that 9/11 was an inside job


Like any of the dozens already performed? 

6 years ago

    You have registered documented studies?    Well, why didn't you tell me earlier?         Is it possible for you to give me the  link to the registered


study?   I just googled but I didn't have any luck.  


Thanks so much, Katii!!! 


6 years ago

Define 'registered documented' study.

6 years ago

REGISTERED with who?  With the commision that has been paid to keep the truth hidden? With the government that has been co opted by the people that want to ruin this country?


Or did you think there is a more qualified group than the ENGINEERS that have come forward?



6 years ago

Here is a link on how clinical studies are documented:


You can google documented studies to see exactly how they are conducted to arrive at an unbiased conclusion.   Random engineers who aren't part of a defined study on 9/11 offer their opinions.  


About 1/3 of Americans believe that 9/11 was an "inside job."   If it is true that 9/11 was an "inside job" then the United Nations needs to be alerted that America is murdering her own Quaddafi is doing now to his people.   Since no such action has been taken by the United Nations against the GWB administration in the past 10 years one must conclude that that it cannot be proven.


I am a logical thinking person without a flair for the conspiracy theories. 


6 years ago

Logical thinking people don't discount expert opinion, such that is given by AIA Architect Richard Gage in the video Edward posted above, simply because it's not financed or sponsored by the government or it's handlers. 


Logical thinking people do not accept the results of a seriously flawed government sponsored quasi 'investigation' riddled with ommissions and mis-information. 


Logical thinking people don't accept as the final word the results of a quasi 'investigation' (that was never going to happen until citizens demanded one) riddled with ommissions mis-information.

Oh that darn 'molten iron' thingy...
6 years ago


Molten Iron


The temperatures of the fires present a problem for NIST's claim that fire alone was involved. The melting point of steel is about 2800° F. According to NIST's own documents, hydrocarbon fires (e.g., jet fuel and office furnishings) generate temperatures only up to about 2,000° F under ideal conditions. NIST recognizes these fires could not melt steel, so they had to postulate elaborate mechanisms that might trigger collapse due to weakened columns and sagging girders.


Yet there is widespread evidence of molten iron in the rubble piles. Photos and numerous witnesses -- including fire fighters, cleanup crews, and structural engineers -- confirm the existence of several tons of molten metal under the debris. Some fire fighters described molten steel flowing like lava. Photos clearly reveal molten metal dripping as material is being lifted by excavation equipment.

Office fires are not hot enough to create the molten metal seen by dozens of witness


A video of the South Tower shows molten metal pouring out, glowing a radiant orange-yellow. Some have claimed this is molten aluminum, which melts at a lower temperature, but molten aluminum would be silvery in these conditions. This is molten iron or steel.

Jet fuel and office fires can’t create molten iron


At least three independent laboratory analyses of the dust that blanketed Lower Manhattan after the destruction of the Twin Towers reveal the presence of iron-rich “microspheres.” These spheres are formed when molten iron is sprayed into the air and forms droplets that cool before hitting the ground. The iron droplets indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than hydrocarbon fires, in an explosive environment that could spray many tons of these droplets into the air.

Billions of previously molten iron spheres found in all WTC dust samples


In April 2002, the RJ Lee Company was hired to investigate environmental contaminants in the Deutsche Bank, across the street from the World Trade Center. It reports, “Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, vaporized and then condensed during the WTC Event.” The problem here is that lead vaporizes at 3200° F, some 1200° F hotter than is possible in hydrocarbon fires. A study of the WTC dust by the USGS for the EPA observed molybdenum-rich spheres that can form only above 4750° F. The high temperatures are another smoking gun.


Unignited Nano-Thermite in the WTC Dust


NIST did not even look for physical evidence of explosives. In fact NIST did not look at the physical evidence at all, apart from a few selected samples of the steel. The rest was destroyed. However, physical evidence did remain: the dust. NIST did not look at the dust, but independent investigators did. They discovered, along with the microspheres, tiny red-grey chips. They examined samples of WTC dust from different parts of Manhattan. All contained the red-gray chips. They found that the red layer consisted of unignited nano-thermite. Ordinary thermite is an incendiary: it can burn through heavy steel in seconds. The tiny particles in nano-thermite (1/1000 the thickness of a human hair) causes a much faster reaction so it can be used as a high explosive. The discovery of nano-thermite in the WTC dust was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April 2009.

Hundreds of Red/Grey chips of “Unignited thermite” in every WTC Dust sample

Nano-thermite particle sizes are 1,000 times smaller than a human hair. This material is not made in a cave in Afghanistan.


These scientists found not just a smoking gun, but a loaded gun.

Independent lines of evidence prove the official government claims are impossible. We see our role at AE911Truth as exposing the evidence official agencies and the corporate media are covering up. Following up on the implications is the responsibility of every citizen. Every citizen must face his or her own conscience when confronting these difficult facts -- especially when we consider that 9/11 is the foundation for two wars, the launching of an endless "war on terror," and the loss of our freedoms due to legislation pushed through amid the fog of war.


A video of initiation of explosive destruction is here for WTC 1 (North Tower)


and here for WTC 2 (South Tower).



6 years ago know how cynical I am!!! But some of the info posted here is definitely food for thought!! Thanks!


New to Care2? Start Here.