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Anyone Been Attacked February 09, 2005 5:01 AM

by groups of the Radically Nice who swoop in to try to drive you off a thread/group after you`ve posted The Truth and it freaks them out to see it in print?  [ send green star]
 
 February 09, 2005 9:57 AM

Yuppers I am happy to report that the truth has ticked off a few where I have been. lol

Feather

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NO February 09, 2005 10:18 AM

I can't say as that I have ever been 'attacked' for anything I have posted, in any group. I can't tell if that's because i just don't recognise an attack when it's there, or it's because I state my own truth without pressing anyone else to accept it. I can be opinionated, and less than tactful, but I seem to allow that from all those that read my posts as well, without demanding agreement, or acceptance, for that matter. It does make me quite uncomfortable to engage in posts where people are overly defensive of their truth. I just can't seem to get a handle on this conflict 'thing', you know?,,, So, I guess that means, I can't be obnoxious about my own POV on this board, and expect to get away with it??? It's amazing how many people confuse the facts, with their point-of-view... That's why I speak only of MY truth, and not THE truth. Points-of-view can be full of opinions and contradictions, that's what makes them stimulating. Facts can be recognised as being void of opinions and contradictions... Now how many facts do you really hold to be 'true'? If you really think about it, a great deal of logical reasoning is neccessary to discern fact from the context of opinion. So, if this thread was supposed to be a rant.... sorry! OM Shanti Holly  [ send green star]
 
 February 09, 2005 10:39 AM

Hi there Holly, nice meeting you.

You brought up some good points. Personally opinions are just that and they are neither true or false. THey are just what people think. I would rather come from THE Truth. And to find the truth, well all one really has to do is get out from behind the monitor and look around, unless they are totally walking dead and unaware, we can all see whats going on out there.

The problem is, there are many that are walking around unaware with that blank dead stare in a state of.......... all is good in my wittle world. Thats called denial and plain ignorant.

And it takes no logic at all to see THE Truth. It makes you feel, in that place inside there.

Always,

Feather

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true facts and truth... February 09, 2005 1:11 PM

I think that there are no other facts but true facts - but people looooove to use the word about their opinions, as it gives some credibility. And if you are talking about FACTS then people who have a different OPINION are WRONG...

I don't believe in THE truth. At least some common, general, Universal, absolute truth, that is.

But sure - I've been attacked by all kind of people

The "nice" ones tend to just delete everything and act as if it never happened. Or then they just "close the thread". But sometimes they start talking about how "we all" should be "nice", and how horrible it is with "negativity" and how "sad" "all this" is "making" them... Passive aggressivity... "pissing in one's shoe while licking one's face" - I really hate that kind of "peace makers". Peace - yeah, sure...

Ket

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Or this..... February 10, 2005 4:06 AM

I saw two posters dukeing it out on a thread, using their own concepts of the truth. One was more obviously basing their truth on bias and when faced with "real" truth and having to confront it and "losing" the battle, they countered with the pity technique/ploy.

He/she posted that tears were running down their face while they were typing.

It worked on their opponent who came back apologizing profusely.

End of argument. Tears, not truth, "won".

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 February 10, 2005 5:42 AM

Well I have lost 3 of my friends in the past 12 years cause I told them how it was and they did not like it sooo I never heard from them again. That is the main thing that has happened so I just dont hang with people unless the tell the truth!!!!  [ send green star]
 
Donna February 10, 2005 12:11 PM

Yes there are many that will resort to "emotional blackmail".

Children will do what they are taught always. They are natural mimics.

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Losing "friends" February 10, 2005 12:13 PM

Me too and they are not in my life any longer because they werent my friends to begin with. I love when people save me all the work in trying to figure out if one is my friend or not. Just start talking some truth in conversation and you will find out rather quickly. lol

Feather

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truth February 10, 2005 2:19 PM

It has amazed me over my 50 years how inconsequential truth is to some folks.  My mother and her sister have had an on-going battle since before I was born because Mom believes in truth and my aunt believes whatever makes her look popular and upper-middle class.  One has to determine what is important to the party with whom one is speaking.  If an individual is absolutely bent on the truth and that is what they speak, there is no real arguement (unless the truth-speaker allows the conversation to get out of hand).  Those who choose a popular point of view that is in opposition to the truth are not able to make it through a fair fight since they have nothing upon which to base their views.  Again, if the truth-speaker keeps calm and sticks to the truth, the argument should soon be over.  However, just don't expect to "win".  There is no winning.  There is only hoping that at least one out of every few thousand folks you run across will stop to think -- preferrable on their own -- and begin to see things in another way, other than what someone else (the government, the newspapers, the TV news, a doctor, a pastor or priest, etc.) has told them to think. 

Good luck.

Bobbi

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Give it time February 10, 2005 3:43 PM

Well, I don't think I've annoyed anyone yet.....but then my computer/internet has been wonky lately and I haven't been able to post or check posts very much the past two weeks.  Being me, I'm sure it's just a matter of time LOL

tina

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anonymous OMGoodness February 11, 2005 11:32 AM

and yes.....i was horribly and viciously attacked..

by a severly anally retentive busy body how has many many people thinking she is soooooooooooooooooooooooo wonderful.......however happy bunny sees the truth................funny how when you tell the truth to someone who hopes to be PROM Queen and voted MS COngenialty at the same time........and I say.....HEY WAIT JUST A COTTON PICKING MINUTE..................THAT TIERA BELONGS TO ME.............well they just turn all ugly and well....its not a pretty site.......then they melign you in a group they have "taken" over with that star wars mind control thingie........and want to boot ya, as if...............i do make useful posts thank you very much......

SO to those that are mean and downright distasteful to those of us who do know what we are doing and saying and in general DO know it all..ok kidding there.....but

here's to them..because..........so I saybecause when it comes to you and your hateful ways to we who are speaking our minds and you dont want to hear us..well, when it comes to you.....I am  Not Listening stickerhehehe, and i mean that in a nice way.........

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Karen February 11, 2005 1:18 PM

hahahahahaah silly wabbit. The trick of this whole thing is to not let them ruffle your bunny tail. *S*

If you speak truth, then no need to banter back and forth with them. Let them be ugly if that is what they wish to be. Its their kharma.

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A good quote to remember February 11, 2005 1:19 PM

He who angers you.......owns you.......

I too have to work on that one .........daily lmao

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Well February 11, 2005 1:31 PM

lets see....Bush angers me but he doesn`t own me.  [ send green star]
 
 February 11, 2005 1:37 PM


115 new, 284 total Celene D.
terrorists November 28, 2004 8:07 AM
the united states govt. is the only one ever convicted of international terrorism by the world court -thrice- during reagan's administration because of usa actions in nicaragua. this country raises children to be warmongering fanatics just as much as what was described in islamic nations. who is it over there murdering many, many innocent people in iraq and afghanistan?  the youth of america, 18 year old BOYS.
the current shrub holding the office of president in our country claims to be christian yet, jesus asks us to turn the other cheek, to love our neighbors as ourselves. "don't criticize, and then you won't be crticized. for others will treat you as you treat them. and why worry about a speck in the eye of a brother when you have a board in your own? hypocrite! first get rid of the board. then you can see to help your brother."  matthew 7:1-5  georgie is a liar and a hypocrite
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Terrorists? November 28, 2004 7:35 PM
Celene,
Boy, talk about hating everybody....did you leave anyone out???
I guess you don't know that the terrorists who are awaiting trial, haven't had their punishment yet. If this country did as people like you suggested, we would be overrun by terrorists. Look at Holland during the Second World War. They believed that if they showed the world that they were just peace-loving people, that they would be safe. Can you imagine their suprise when Hitler's Storm Troopers came into their country and took over? Think about the German people, they were also taken in. They were so happy when Gun Control became a law, they were sure that crime was over and that the police would protect them. They had no idea that they would soon be living in fear and that a wave of arrests would soon take place. This was known as the Crystal Night Of Terror. The Police would come in the middle of the night, ask for a family member and that person was never seen again. Can you imagine living like that? However, because you seem to hate America so, I have the feeling that you embrace Marxist and Communist Ideals. I cannot understand how you can hate America and our President. But what really bothers me is your hate for our military. Is your idea of calling 18 year old kids terrorists, murders and war-mongering fanatics, your own idea, or did you read it in a book? I have one word to describe people who hate kids........sick. If you hate America so much, why don't you go to another country? You could go to Red China, or Russia and praise their leaders and pretend that you are better off. However, I know that you are old enough to realize that you would not be safe there, or in many other countries in the world either. Your attitude also tells me that you are not a christian. Because if you were, you would be the one turning your other cheek. Therefore, you have made yourself a hypocrite. My advice to you is that you take your own advice and go and do likewise.
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 February 11, 2005 1:39 PM

^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^
me and fred duking it out... there was more that followed - my response to his response, etc.  finally, i just stopped 'cause his head's up his ass and he wasn't really paying attention to what i was writing, he was only hearing his own ignorance ringing loudly in his ears and obstructing his vision so much that he was unable to read the words printed before him
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 February 11, 2005 1:41 PM

Well..........( i know its deep lol)....... if we let them anger us, we will lose our effectiveness and what we wish to convey and get out there. They come from much anger actually..... we should not let that happen to us in kind. We dont need to if we continue to speak out with Truth. See what I mean?

Let their feathers get ruffled. As long as we remain consistent in Truth, and together, cool, calm and collected, WE will be more effective as a whole. If we let them get under our skin....... we will lose ground.

Anger is a non productive e-motion. It causes us to get into reaction, rather than action. Hence.........whoever angers you owns you. He who gets angry....loses in the long run.

We dont need to get angry actually. The Truth speaks for itself.

and besides, it really ticks them off when we dont get angry. lol They hate that.

Feather

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The scary thing February 11, 2005 1:46 PM

is that he says he is a teacher. I so hate to think of his influence on impressionable minds.  [ send green star]
 
 February 11, 2005 1:48 PM

yea really......... aint he a walkin contradiction!

I noticed he is a member of Death to...................

And he talks about Celine not being a so called...........Cristeeean lol

Gotta love em eh? They are the biggest hippocrits I have ever met in my life. IF I offended anyone...........not my intent......just speaking the TRUTH!

Feather

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Celine February 11, 2005 1:51 PM

Where did this duke out happen?

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anonymous  February 11, 2005 2:02 PM

Ya, I've been attacked more than once, but what the heck, I love a good debate. The thing that really bugged me though was having my post's deleted only because the high powered priest/priestess in control of the thread could not handle seeing the written truth. In another group (not C2C), I had a number of post's deleted on a thread titled, "Freedom of Speech". Go figure! I could only laugh at that one. Ignorace... there's way too much of that going around these days  [report anonymous abuse]
 
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eep February 11, 2005 2:43 PM

what i posted up there was in the 'bush for president' group.  the thread was titled something like 'and we really want this man to be president?'
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anonymous yikes............mine was over whinners and network messages February 11, 2005 5:34 PM

I wasnt the whinners......it was not intended for everyone...but the 2 out of a hundred who wrote back with nasties.......geezzzzzzzzz

I simply said to the ONES that were writing about it non stop to either delete the messages or get off the network and they would not get do many emails.....................now would you have a hissy fit and call someone vile names over that..........me either.....since 1. I would know I dont do that so its NOT  intended for me.2. because I GET the way the network works and not thin that every email is sent directly to me only..........3.cripps, I for got what 3 was gonna be.....see what i mean?...........

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anonymous and one more though.........to the irritating ....... February 11, 2005 5:43 PM

when you get mad at me and I say ."OH well " and ignore you for your stipidity, be grateful that iI am a calm and intelligent enough person to know that

Therapy Has Taught Me

......so since I know that.................I overlook your lack of the basic necessities needed to have an intelligent conversation and to even understand the message being sent............NOW its directed towards you.........if you EVER come here................I bet you know who you are..........(no I have not seen them here as of yet today?)

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anonymous CAN I GET A PROOF READER PLEASE February 11, 2005 5:45 PM

gee wiz I can spell..............its the typ-o ing that gets me....please excuse.........  [report anonymous abuse]
 
anonymous Anyone Been Attached March 16, 2005 7:46 PM

Lol...ummm... well when I first started on the WWW groups I teneded to get kicked out of chat rooms. It tended to go a little something like this... I would be in a Native American chat or a Pagan chat room, or some spiritual NON christian chat room and then a trouble maker Xian poser or Born againer would start prostletizing and I would counteract and then they would get mean and call names and then I would not call names but would counter their claims with their own doctorine then certain ones posing as Pagans would appear to lake the Xians side and others would just start leaving the chat room and then I and I can only assume or hope the other offender flamers would suddenly be unable to chat anymore... then to get even and have a bit of helaing and therapy I would seek out hte Xian and born againer type groups and chat rooms and post news articles and make chat convos that would have them pooping cows and flaming like a dragon, then cut out just before I sensed I was about to be kicked out. See I got kicked out several times from teh Xian chats before I caught the timing of their predictiabile responses. Then I was able to predict the exact moment to say my final and often best closing remark before exiting...stage left. Lol! Of course this was back when I was in my twenties and I had too much free time on my hands, lol! I don't bother to go into chat rooms anymore, and as for groups I only just recently dared to join up with the ones here. So far so good...knock knock. I just ignore the fellows/gals that I realize to be troublemakers and prostlaters  [report anonymous abuse]
 
Lisa March 16, 2005 8:18 PM

I must invite you to my Agitators Group so you can start to agitate for good not boredom!

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 March 16, 2005 8:23 PM

I can say I've never been attacked. I've had my fair share of debates with people but nothing too harsh. Maybe because I don't back down and I'm very outspoken.

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well - now that you ask !! March 18, 2005 4:13 AM

Yesterday I found (much to my consternation) that I had been not only ejected from a room without any explanation at all  -but also blocked from all contact with the group host after I asked why I'd been bounced out !!

 hmm - I don't know about truth !!!! But I do know that I'm being accused of something of which I am completely innocent and I'm not being given any opportunity to reply to my 'accusers' !

 Oh well - just learned another of lifes lessons I suppose !

Namasté

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 March 18, 2005 4:14 AM


   raising hand..yeppers  been attacked..oh well..there ignorance..


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 March 18, 2005 5:54 AM

Yowza…I’m attacked in certain groups here- oh pretty much whenever I post a counter to certain folks silly concepts of truth.  Been with Celene, Fred doesn’t like me so much- LOL.  LOL as some of you already know- there’s a whole little group that loves nothing more than to attack folks here.  LOL It doesn’t matter that you add links to verify what you say- you have to be lying or making stuff up, even though they can’t produce info to verify what they say.  And I’ve noticed that they do seem to go after women even more than men- hmmm, maybe that’s just my perception or more women are posting to counter their BS…hmmm.  <grin> Oh well, all in a day’s worth for warriors of truth huh?

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not yet...but working on it March 18, 2005 5:43 PM

Haven't been attacked yet...but I'm working on it. *eg* not that I like confrontation, but don't like stupidity, so what are ya gonna do?  [ send green star]
 
Simplify March 18, 2005 6:17 PM

and women go after a woman who is intellectually sparring with a man on CARE2, in packs!

The Radically Nice is what I calls em...

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Brenda March 18, 2005 6:18 PM

I`ll send you an invite to Agitators & Damn Proud Of It!  [ send green star]
 
 March 18, 2005 6:26 PM

awesome thanks Donna  [ send green star]
 
anonymous Re: Invitation to Aggetator Group March 18, 2005 9:50 PM

Lol! That seems like it could be fun! But seriously, I am a member of so many groups and lately I have been too busy...it's to the point that this is my first time on the puter in a few days! Scary, huh? If I can join without being to non active I will do so soon. I don't like confrontation or arguments, believe it or not, but the truth is I don't like ignorance, and hypocracy even more. This fact tends to bring me in to the midst of major fights in on line forums over the years, and chat rooms were the worst for some reason? Anyway, I felt it too much a waste of my precious time and energy and the negative energy was effecting me too much so I stopped going in to chat rooms altogether a few yrs. ago and have not been in since. Peace within.  [report anonymous abuse]
 
Yes they attacked me. March 22, 2005 10:53 AM

And no one even charged them with animal cruelty.
It was those evil people over at the "Reforming our Democracy!" group.
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Thank you once more, Donna March 27, 2005 12:42 PM

Dear Donna

And the answer is yes and it was quite out of the blue.  No personal attack was warranted.  Someone was stung.  I was exercising my democratic right to have my say and whack!!!! it wasn't liked a bit.  I was trying to stop silly arguments because people were trying to be confrontational.  Up you know who, and all that.  Stick to the point, stick to the argument.  But it hurts and I won't deny it.  But I would not go any further with that, no one will drag me into a slanging match.  I don't make personal attacks and I won't be stung into responding to one.  And this was someone who yesterday wanted to be my friend?  Had I changed overnight? (Okay, I know that virtual friends don't know me really and especially if it's been only a day, and it takes a lot to be a friend, it's really only a word in this context until a lot of time passes and people stand by you.)

So how lovely of you to know what I was feeling and to send me this lovely invitation.   It's so good to be able to say this in an understanding environment.  I just needed this therapy.  I'll sleep happy tonight now.  Thanks a million.  Wish I weren't so sensitive.  I will not let it shut my mouth.  But it does put you off.  Who needs it? 

Love Eleanor

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Elanor March 27, 2005 1:01 PM

Glad you`ll be able to sleep happy tonight!

Just remember, only those you love and love you, can really hurt your feelings.

Someone told me that years ago and its served me well.

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Thanks, Donna March 27, 2005 2:13 PM

Dear Donna

Thanks to you.  And thanks for the therapy I needed.  I went back, saw your post, brilliant - just loved it.  Saw another bit of tripe and could not resist another swipe at them.  It will annoy.  This time I will not be upset if insulted.  I will be expecting it.  It's actually an honour.  I just wasn't expecting it on Care2.  And I've had my immunity jag and I have my real friends.  Thanks. You made the difference.  You made me bounce back right away.  Super girl, you are.  Yes!

Love

Eleanor

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Eleanor March 27, 2005 2:19 PM

Smootches to ya!  [ send green star]
 
Donna! March 27, 2005 2:27 PM

And to you, my friend. Thanks a smillion.  EB.  [ send green star]
 
anonymous Not yet March 31, 2005 1:46 PM

I have been here only a short time and have seen alot of attacks. I am almost afraid to post! LOL  [report anonymous abuse]
 
anonymous I flunked agitation & confrontation March 31, 2005 2:32 PM

I had a post deleted and that offended me so much I quit the group. Cat lovers of all places.  I mentioned that Iams Cat Food tortured their animals in the labs and we should all not recommend it (as some did in that group) and we shouldn't buy it.

I got a .. that doesn't belong here go to boycotts and it got deleted.

If this topic doesn't belong in a cat lovers room..where people have cats and feed their cats food.. where does it belong?

How rude is that I thought.. and couldn't stand to listen to their happy furball stories while these poor animals were suffering.. so i quit rather than argue (I'm not meant to be an agitator)

I'll try to do better next time..

But.. in another time another board.. topic was about a child shooting a child in Michigan .. I agreed with the statement guns are out of control in the US..  I'll never forget the reply.

"Peple like you make us week. Crawl back under your rock or get out of this cuntry."  I considered the source and the spelling on that one..and replied that perhaps it was illiteracy & stupidity that was the real problem in the US, not guns. 

I never did post again though.. (coward I am)

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hahahaha March 31, 2005 3:45 PM

LOVE the spelling! Been attacked? OH YAH! Funny, it's always by either conservatives (can't figure out the name though..they seem rather radical to me) or fundamentalists. I've also noticed that most Bush supporters are either uneducated or fanatical..I get the "hippie tree-hugger welfare bum" title a lot hehehehehe..I have a bachelors degree and an associates degree..so if I hug trees and speak the truth..with proper grammar, and even eloquently sometimes, I am some sort of unwashed, stupid, flaky, social parasite! (I haven't been attacked for being pagan yet..but I am sure it's coming) Fundies HATE it when I can quote the Bible better than they can!! (it helps if you can read) Here's a news flash! Not everyone in the world want to be an American, live in America or kill Americans! (they really hate it when I say that) A lot of people don't really care or think that much about it. But I really have my best arguements about how anti-abortion and pro-death penalty can go together. (?) (throw in the NRA and we can really party!) There's a certain young man on a conservation group that is just ANNOYING..I get into with him a lot..he's a great white hunter (yup—in a conservation group) and a Bush supporter. He's not old enough to vote but he KNOWS that Bush is the greatest leader the US has ever had. (LOVE to meet his parents) He makes my blood boil..but I try to be civil..only to find him personally insulting me without even looking at the research I quote or considering the issue with an open mind.. Now I've received some nasties because I spoke up about the gossip and bullcrap on the network..oh well! If I get a reaction at least they are listening! I am not one to mince words, and I have always believed that the truth NO MATTER HOW TERRIBLE is easier to deal with than lies and deception. "and the truth shall set you free" I honestly believe that. So if I have to be a warrior to speak truth, so be it! And if I get nasty comments from fluff bunnies who live in a world of roses and angels and sunshine all the time..at least I may have planted a seed. This world is sick, dying, because the majority of people are sleepwalking and it's high time we woke them up. Peace!  [ send green star]
 
cats March 31, 2005 3:52 PM

If you really want to piss off the cat lovers (of which I am one..however I know they are CATS, and not fuzzy babies..they are bloodthirsty, snobby little carnivores that will never quite be tame) send them to: www.mycathatesyou.com (hilarious!) Bravo for the IAMS..I boycotted them long ago..and I petitioned ny local pet store also. Any cat lover would want to know that animals are being tortured for nothing more than grant money. SHAME on them. (the cat group and IAM  [ send green star]
 
Kudos April 01, 2005 5:36 AM

to everyone posting the truth about IAMS all over CARE2.

Shame on those who don`t protect their cats and stifile the truth by deleting such posts.

I consider such a post as a Public Service Announcement for cat lovers and not confrontational at all.

"Some people" are compelled to do the wrong thing though.  Clear back in the 60`s when I was protesting the Vietnam War, I was discussing (with a relative) how Dow Chemical, the maker of NAPALM, also owned Wonder Bread, hence the ongoing boycott against buying the bread.  The relative immediately made a special trip to the store to buy Wonder Bread!

Now that is just a self destructive mentality and destructive of others as well.

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Their loss! April 06, 2005 1:18 PM

I wouldn't worry, Lori.  Maybe they just want to go ooh! aah! over furbaby stories!  Never mind the fact that cats are being tortured.  If they know about it and do nothing to help, they're condoning it.  You don't belong there.

Love Eleanor

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Does the sun still never set on Dow? April 06, 2005 1:25 PM

I hope you're relative was proud of herself condoning Napalm.  Some people just can't admit they're wrong.  But I bet they know they are.  I remember all the anti-war protests of the sixties.  Thank heavens that one finally ended.  Heaven knows how long US youngsters are going to be stuck in Iraq.

Eleanor

Eleanor

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is the sky blue? April 08, 2005 12:15 PM

IF you consider being run off the road, tires flatted, cars being "keyed " , getting shot the bird regularly, getting cussed,  and having the local papers refuse to print your letters to the editor , YES I HAVE BEEN ATTACKED.  [ send green star]
 
Jeanie April 08, 2005 12:23 PM

Poor Baby!

TRUTH MOCKERS

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 April 11, 2005 2:47 PM

There was a person who had a group on this site.( the group does not exist anymore) that would reply to any thing I posted with profuse obscenity, in general  that  and the woman who wrote everybody who signed one particular petition last fall during the campaign cycle , with some what graphic spewing as to our character.  [ send green star]
 
Right wing and born again attacks April 18, 2005 8:14 PM

I have quit going to sites where the right wing political trolls have taken over and substitute Fox Network type lies, screaming, and name-calling for real debate. I'm pretty far to the Left, but I would listen to a good right wing argument if I were ever to hear one. I haven't. I came onto C2C because it was people from all over the world who seemed to want to do good things for their world. Now it seems to be getting invaded by the trolls, too.

Sometimes, when you're attacked, it's a case of "consider the source." The typical neo-fascist troll is a macho male, Bush-loving, Karl Rove type -- a guy who thinks he's funny, witty, and the source of all wisdom but is merely mean and doesn't realize how truly ignorant he is.

Or he's a born again Christian who feels it is his duty to point out the error of our ways to all us sinners.

But then there is the case of Fred, way up the string here, who attacked Celene for being anti-American. Well, I looked at Fred's bio, and there are a lot of things about him that make him seem like a nice guy. He loves the rain forest where he lives, he loves animals and kids, and he writes poetry. Hardly sounds like your overly-testosteroned right wing nut, does it? Maybe a little bit crazy or confused, but not a nasty guy.

Yet he threw that old line at Celene, "if you don't like it here, why don't you go live in Red China or Russia." I haven't heard that line since the "America, Love It or Leave It" of the 60's.

I suspect Fred grew up in a household dominated by a "my country right or wrong" martinet and may even have had patriotism beaten into him. So Fred, no matter how alien his political leanings are to my philosophy, is not, in himself, a person to be scorned.

Sometimes it is very difficult for me to hate the ideas but not hate the man who holds them. But that does seem to be the more mature and sensible road to take. It's just difficult to be mature and to avoid getting angry when you're being attacked by someone who loves to go on the attack. There are a whole lot of bullies out there who idolize Bush for the very same reason -- he and his cohorts are bullies. And it's difficult to not hate a bully. It's better to laugh at them -- they hate that, so when writing to or about them, just consider this: they are all sexually inadequate. Especially Bush. Can you imagine the hell he went through at Andover with that name?

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Fred my dear man you fed my fire April 22, 2005 9:12 PM

We in england lived happily with the muslims the catholics and all sorts of in betweenies.Everybody waved and said hullo i dont know what your into- but hey i like yer hat.But now sadly the same man who shook my hand will defend his home against me.we wernt invaded by thousands of terrorrists(before we closed the door) we do have a refugee problem as someone keeps changing boundaries and brings war to the south.

My issue is that my brothers in england are my enemy if I follow you maybe they will be now anyway.But to die without raising my hand or feeding the war machine.That is a christian as that is what our lord did -Ghandi was Buddist but i will follow him Saladin was a muslim The Godess brings us flowers  oh and william wallace and there are many other great names.Being christian is loving each other it is not secular.The teachings of the koran say the same message love each other.Ask the freedom fighter what they want

 (a) for us to bugger off

(b) Stop the Jews taking over Palestiene

love and peace  

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 April 24, 2005 7:05 AM

Yeah I was attacked in reality and attacked on internet…

lots of ways… lots of occasions-

but it was just attack, and I know to defend my self…

BTW

I am shocked with people generally… from to much dedication to no action at all.

Dona, my posts were erased also; it was about attack on SS and crew of Fairly M…

and that “post delete“ -says a lot about a person that erased it, not about me, you or some activist-

it says about that selfish fat eraser ass…

but, I just walk over that pathetic demagogy… poor, empty souls… writing about eternal life- while we are all together dying ….

%#&!*% them, they are just %#&!*%.

I have my call, my goal and I am in constant search 4 people that have same goals

… those that do not go along with our idea can just erase our posts, but they cant stop this gigantic flow truth and energy and good vibrations!

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 September 19, 2005 9:33 AM

To quote Jack Nicholson:

    "You can't handle the truth."


      To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.  But how much nobler it would be if men died for ideas that were true.

      H. L. Mencken

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 December 24, 2005 10:47 AM

Hmmm, interesting group   I'm sorta in your "camp" Sue, I also believe the real "Truth" comes from our "heart," or from within.  But, although I used to agree with the no-anger thing, my truth has changed a bit on that one.  I don't think the answer encompasses eliminating any natural human emotion.  I think emotions are very good, we wouldn't have them otherwise   The problem, as I see/feel it, is us allowing ourselves to be consumed by any emotion...that is, to the degree that it skews our "logical" thinking or prevents us from having an open mind to the "Truth" of others.  Although I "preach" strongly against fearing, there are times when the emotion fear can save our lives.  Again, the problem arises when it consumes us...same with anger.  I have seen that a strong "righteous indignation" is a very good thing   ...and essential to motivate one to make needed changes or fight for what they believe. 

I also believe that when we hate someone, they do sorta "own" us.  I hate that, LOL   Along the lines of what you were stating, when we hate someone (e.g. Bush...no brainer), that emotion "attaches" us to that person.  Emotions are that powerful.  But I think it's a matter of degree.  Ya' let it consume ya' and you won't be as effective as you might be otherwise.  I think Bush sucks, but I don't let it consume me.  That would just give him my power...that is, it would make him more important than he is, more important than me.  I would be showing my fear (with that intense anger) that I am powerless to overcome what he has put upon us all.  That establishes a "belief" that wil most assuredly fuel an outcome where he wins.  If one doesn't quite understand that, think along the lines of an "affirmation."  There's profound power in that which we believe, again, like affirmations.  Ask any way successful athlete

Additionally, I might propose considering that the "Truth" isn't just logical facts.  That perhaps there is "Truth" in pretty much anything anyone says.  Some.  Perhaps.  Consider it.  And consider the possibility that we do allow ourselves to be consumed with our anger/fear and our own "Truth," to the extent that this blinds us to some possible "Truth" in what another is saying.  This block is due to fear, fear of being wrong, or of losing face... 

Everyone's "Truth" seems to be about going from one extreme to the other.  What if the "Truth" wasn't the answer so much as blending the "Truth" of the two extremes to create a beautiful tapestry of new "Truth."  A middle road.  Balance.  Not one extreme or the other. 

I don't think it's about just "logical" thinking or just "knowing" that comes only from the "heart."  It's a brilliant intermingling of the two   We're both.  The world that we have before us is the outcome of using only one half of that which we are.  And it's not about "getting religion," it's about knowing the power and brilliance that is within us...that has nothing to do with the brain.  (Note, the brain is the tool for bringing it forth, not the source.)  But that's a difficult concept to grasp by a people who have lived and breathed so-called logic for such a long time.  But being open to it, grasping it, and embracing it and using it is imperative for the survival of this planet.

We've done the "logical" thing to death (literally). What comes to mind is a few quotes that I kinda like...

"Insanity:  Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." ~ Einstein

"The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." ~ Einstein

"Imagination is more important that knowledge." ~ Einstein

Imagination is not about being logical.  And I believe Einstein is referencing the brilliant "thinking" we do when we blend our logical thinking with heart-knowing

And, no, I can't prove that, it's a heart-knowing

Peace

Dove

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anonymous It has happened to me too! December 24, 2005 11:11 AM

Look at this thread! I try to defend science against a charlatan and I get slammed by others, despite the clear evidence I presented!
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All points of view should be tolerated. But...... December 24, 2005 1:07 PM

.....We all have to remember that some are not on these boards to have intelligent discussion on said subject matter. Even the most educated.

       They are here because they need attention and they haven't the presence of mind to get a that attention in a session with a counselor, therapist or freind.Wherein they get COMPLETELY honest about whats going on with them. 

   So instead they come here and get their "stuff" restimulated and their "distress" up and running. The result is an unhealthy and maladaptive attempt to get allot of attention on where their fear and pain sits.

    A person who is comfortable with their beleifs, already knows their beliefs are well thought out and has taken them within and they have become an integral part of who they are, operating from the inside out. They know that if anyone has an arguement of merit they can listen intently and wiegh the evidence.

     Conversely those who have barricaded themselves in with what they believe to be true will fight viciously against anything which even appears to threaten their position. They percieve it a threat to their very ability to continue to exist. i.e. a threat to life as they know it.

    This may sound extreme but this is the baseline truth about the difference between those who walk in Faith of something versus those who walk in fear of something.

     Amazing that so many who say they walk in faith actually exhibit the behavioral traits of those who walk in fear. Yet they will scream in your face " I'm not walking in fear!!! I'm walking in Faith".

    My post isn't about spirituality or religion. It's about the psychological position from which many operate who get on the internet to have contact and communication.

    For this reason and this reason alone it would behoove, in my professional and personal opinion, us all to take just a bit of counseling training to learn to recognize when we are dealing with patterns of mental unhealth.

   Some of the most educated people in this world suffer from a condition called academia. Meaning they know what it says in the book, they know how it looks on the chalkbord, they know how it sounds in the lecture hall but they don't necesarily know how to apply it in the real world. Social settings can be instant death for these people. Just putting them in such arena's is cause for instant fear based posturing and attacking.

    Ultimately all this unhealthy behaviour is a cry for attention on where it gets difficult for them.

   In teaching classes on counseling I have had to learn to be careful for this kind of behavior. There are those who will take up valuable time with busymaking attention grabbing and need to be shut down so that everyone can have equal time. What usually happens next is they attack the "Teacher". Why? Because the Teacher is interrupting their "Attention" or their attempt to aquire attention. They need to be interrupted and then they need to be told that they can have all the individaual attention they want as long as they arrange that outside the group context. What they DON'T get to do is utilize all the groups attention and energy getting attention for themselves and their stuff selfishly.

    I understand that this and other boards are not counseling sessions nor classes for counseling sessions. But I do know that there are boards set up especially for "Bitching" about issues. This is a Discussion Board for intelligent discussion and when soemone is attacked for their discussion point it makes discussion begin to feel unsafe.

  It is the host's responsibility to see to it that each group remains safe for discussions and to excuse from the group whomever they feel is a threat to the general safety of the group at large. Otherwise by virtue of the degeneration of the safety factor the group eventually dissolves and there is no group and no discussion.

    So why do I bring all this up? So that perhaps some who've never looked at the behavior discussed above from the perspective I've offered might see something new and thus learn something new. More likely everyone is just being reminded of something we all already knew and just needed to be reminded of.

    For myself I've learned that when I need attention around something I should ask for it specifically from those who have it available and not from everyone, especially from those who may not want to give it or even have it to give, want to or not.

    Take this for what you feel it's worth and feel free to offer me feedback.

       BTW I'm a Cert. Counselor, Crisis Interventionist & a Psych major.Thanx Rock

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 December 24, 2005 1:26 PM

I have been attacked, I counter-attacked... and I was told that I was not Christian-like for it! But who told me that - mostly non-Christians! What is wrong with THAT picture...?  The atheists I feuded with wanted me to turn the other cheek so that they could have an easy time bashing Faith... and I refused to "honor" their wishes!    Boo-hoo... 

Thing is, I am not exactly waging my first flamewar - and I surely will wage some more!  I joined THIS particular group because I certainly am a "Truth Warrior" - I intervene only when I feel that I absolutely have to. I intervene when I see injustice and the Truth being denied and ridiculed even... I will NOT back down nor "turn the other cheek" - I prefer to act more like John The Baptist then Christ on the Way of the Cross... although, Christ Will Return With a Sword in His Hand - the one thing upon which both the Bible and the Quran agree upon! 

With my previous experience - on other sites as well as right here - matching wits with other posters on message boards amidst no-holds-barred flamewars (usually about religious topics) I can honestly say that I have become a master at psyching out my opponent...  be forewarned, if you ever feel tempted to take ME on... I always have the last word! 

  Happy Holidays, All!

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Denial is easier to swallow than Truth April 21, 2006 12:53 PM

I once heard a phrase which is one to keep well noted, 'Speak the truth, Shame the Devil'.

People are often afraid to hear the truth and when we speak it they shudder at the thought of  it.

I always welcome honest critisicm about myself; so long as it is honest and not malicious.

I live for the truth and anybody who attacks somebody for the truth has their own  cross to bear. They will come around in the end.

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 May 03, 2010 7:59 PM

Yeh, denial is not just a river in Egypt huh?

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