I know that there is going to be turmoil over this situation for a few days, but WHAT ELSE IS NEW?? Michigan's new Administration has managed to get a law through which has been hampering HARD WORKING PEOPLE for a long time. Or should I say, that the people have been unable to get back to work for a long time without this new law which is now going to make Michigan a "RIGHT TO WORK STATE." Three Cheers for the GOP on that one.
OOOPS, Continuation of Michigan's Christmas Gift:
Republicans rushed right-to-work legislation through the Michigan Legislature Thursday, drawing raucous protests from hundreds of union supporters, some of whom were pepper-sprayed by police when they tried to storm the Senate chamber.
The House voted 58-52 Thursday afternoon to approve the measure prohibiting most private unions from collecting fees from nonunion employees. The Senate was expected to follow later Thursday, but future votes are necessary because the versions are different.
Opponents of so-called right-to-work measures say they drain unions of money and weaken their ability to bargain for good wages and benefits. Supporters insist it would boost the economy and job creation.
A victory in Michigan would give the movement its strongest foothold yet in the Rust Belt region, where organized labor already has suffered several body blows.
But even before the votes, protesters streamed inside preparing for what appeared inevitable after Gov. Rick Snyder joined GOP legislative leaders Thursday morning in announcing they would push swift passage.
"This is all about taking care of the hard-working workers in Michigan, being pro-worker and giving them freedom to make choices," Snyder said during a news conference with House Speaker Jase Bolger and Senate Minority Leader Randy Richardville.
"The goal isn't to divide Michigan, it is to bring Michigan together," Snyder said.
Lt. Gov. Brian Calley repeatedly gaveled for order as Democratic senators denounced the legislation to applause from protesters in the galley. At one point, a man shouted, "Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler! That's what you people are." He was quickly escorted out. Another later yelled, "We will remember in November."
Eight people were arrested for resisting and obstructing when they tried to push past two troopers guarding the Senate door, state police Inspector Gene Adamczyk said.
The Capitol, which was temporarily closed because of safety concerns, reopened Thursday afternoon, sending hundreds of protesters streaming back inside with chants of, "Whose house? Our house!" Adamczyk said a judge ordered the building reopened.
But the decision to push forward in the waning days of the Legislature's lame-duck session infuriated outnumbered Democrats, who resorted to parliamentary maneuvers to slow action but were powerless to block the bills that were expected to be introduced Thursday.
Protesters waved placards and chanted slogans such as "Union buster" and "Right-to-work has got to go." Adamczyk said the troopers used pepper spray after the people refused to obey orders to stop.
He estimated that about 2,500 visitors were inside the Capitol, where their shouts reverberated off stone halls and frequently could be heard inside the ornate chambers.
After repeatedly insisting during his first two years in office that right-to-work was not on his agenda, Snyder reversed course Thursday, a month after voters defeated a ballot initiative that would have barred such measures under the state constitution.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Snyder said he had kept the issue at arm's length while pursuing other programs to bolster the state economy. But he said circumstances had pushed the matter to the forefront.
"It is a divisive issue," he acknowledged. "But it was already being divisive over the past few weeks, so let's get this resolved. Let's reach a conclusion that's in the best interests of all."
Also influencing his decision, he said, were reports that some 90 companies had decided to locate in Indiana since that state adopted right-to-work legislation. "That's thousands of jobs, and we want to have that kind of success in Michigan," he said.
Snyder and the GOP leaders insisted the legislation was not meant to weaken unions or collective bargaining, saying it would make unions more responsive to their members.
Senate Democratic leader Gretchen Whitmer said she was "livid."
"These guys have lied to us all along the way," she said. "They are pushing through the most divisive legislation they could come up with in the dark of night, at the end of a lame-duck session and then they're going to hightail it out of town. It's cowardly."
Republicans have commanding majorities in both chambers — 64-46 in the House and 26-12 in the Senate. Under their rules, only a simple majority of members elected and serving must be present to have a quorum and conduct business. For that reason, Democrats acknowledged that boycotting sessions and going into hiding, as some lawmakers in neighboring Indiana and Wisconsin have done in recent years to stall legislation unpopular with unions, would be futile in Michigan.
Throngs of protesters spent weeks outside capitol buildings in those states, clashing over union rights.
"We will not have another Wisconsin in Michigan," Adamczyk said
This is a very important battle and so far the GOP is winning and I think people are slowly seeing the Unions are destroying their jobs, their states, their future.
This is the hope and the awakening of the people that we need to press further on and this kind of result is what will save Ameria from the socialists who want collectivism, totaltarianism as their government. People will fight in the end, I am sure of it and this is the first step.
The only people who want socialism, collectivism, marxism are losers.
People who want to make it on the backs of others, people who want to take from others because they cannot succeed on their own initiative. They want sameness, no independence which frightens them. Obama is a vindicative creature who wants to incite his brand of revenge upon capitalism. He has so many problems which we have talked about at length beginning with his narcissism. Beware of these people in power and there are plenty more out there.
This post was modified from its original form on 07 Dec, 7:10
Thank You Sheila, you seem to be VERY VERY AWARE of what can be a super serious issue in this country. Unions have been around for a very long time, and as an old cliche' is thought of I'd have to agree that "THERE IS A TIME AND A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN ITS PLACE AT ALL TIMES.
Unions were very good back in the latter 1800's early 1900's when people were starving for employment and when people were being physically and financially abused at places of employment that were too greedy to be fair to anyone but the principles of those companies.
Much good came out of Unions such as Liveable Wages, decent hours, a 40 hour work week, benefits, safety measures, and so on down the line.
Then when Americans started getting more and more intelligent, and were able to think for themselves, the Unions became somewhat GREEDY and VERY DEMANDING. As time went on they got bigger and bigger and more powerful, and then there came the THUGGERY which in itself was very wrong. Some companies were forced out of business because of their Anti Union Stances. Some states allow Unions to Rule in most employment areas. There are probably thousands of stories re: the pros and cons of Unions, but one thing is for sure; a family man who is healthy and industrious, should not be precluded from working at a job for a liveable wage, just because he is not in favor of UNIONISM.
Eventually, some states, became "RIGHT TO WORK STATES" and although there were many union shops and jobs that required union membership, people had a choice. We've been losing that choice once again of late and this MUST come to a stop. I surely hope that Michigan is setting a precedent for things to come.
Thanks for your response, Sheila.
Jim: check this out; it is mind boggling to say the least.
Everyone at PD should subscribe to this weekly magazine as it is free and they give links and stats to government sites to prove their statistics and stories.
What you just sent to me - - - that is in addition to the 100's of thousands of illegals that are leaving South America, Central America and Mexico and sneaking through the unprotected border areas of Southern United States including California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas Louisiana and so forth and so on.
Sounds to me like we have an awful lot of enimies just trying to put the US completely out of business.
What is the ANSWER. Peaceful talking doesn't seem to be having any kind of an effect on curing the problems. Is Revolt, the answer. I sure hope not, but it doesn't seem like anything that we've done in a peaceful manner is helping.
Excellent thread, Jim and Sheila. Great information.