So when a woman is pregnant, does she decline a drink, saying, "It's bad for the embryo."? Does a pregnant woman have a fetal shower? Do pregnant women say, "I am decorating the fetus's nursery."?
Of course not. The use of the words embryo, fetus and zygote are medical terms....and are CODE WORDS for unwanted babies targeted for murder. To a pro-abort it's a baby if it's wanted and "thing" if it's not. Science says otherwise. It is LIFE from the moment of conception. Human life
Embryo and zygote are correct scientific terms for a life that's at an extremely early stage of development. It isn't human yet. It has quite a lot in common with every other live birth animal out there. We learned this back in high school biology class. The problem with taking a religious view of life, at such an early stage, is there's no scientific evidence to support it. That is to say, it doesn't have a developed nervous system yet to feel the pain of an abortion, nor does it have any cognitive capacity. It's like worrying about the ethics of shedding your menstrual blood.
Photo attached. This one is 5 weeks old. Notice it's not particularly cute. If you can't abort this, well, you might as well start singing "Every Sperm Is Sacred" like the Monty Python song goes. Pro-life people never put such images on billboards on highways. They always use images of from later gestational stages, that actually look like a human instead of a lumpy little pile of crap.
Now a fetus... that's a term that covers a broader range of gestation time. I'll have to get back to you about when a fetus is a human. I really haven't decided. Probably gonna decide something like "if it looks like a human, it should be treated like a human," but there may be some details to consider.
He just unjustified what he is all for in that video----he is all for late term abortion too.
Here's a proposal: what about some reality based sex education classes, that must include as part of their curriculum, ultrasound of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses? This would program everyone with accurate information about what human life is and isn't. I know that may not sit well with the "life begins at conception" crowd. But what it would do, is get people who get pregnant thinking *really early* about getting an abortion. Instead of dragging it out to the end of the first trimester or into the second trimester.
I mean hey if you're going to require a woman to view the ultrasound just as she's about to get an abortion, it should be ok to have her view such ultrasounds long before she ever even thinks about getting one, right?
Here's a better proposal: some common sense about subjects like self-confidence, self-love and self-esteem with the goal of attempting to lead people in our society to learn how to become independent first with the objective of then becoming interdependent.
Can't say that's a better proposal. It's a worthy thing to do in an classroom, but many people are beyond fixing. Getting concrete, usable information into people's hands is the most direct way to deal with a public issue. For instance, "wear a condom." We should be doing everything possible to avert pregnancy as early as possible.
The sex education classes have been in schools now for decades, the pill, condoms, etc. it has not help because it is a morality issue!
Yes they have, and no they have not.
Hrm, well, some States have fought reality based sex education, emphasizing abstinence (which I consider unrealistic as a matter of statistical public health policy) rather than "wear a condom," which really should be the message that's drilled into teens' heads over and over again. But we can presumably pull statistics from various States and see how their sex ed policies have correlated with pregnancy and abortion. Don't feel up to it right now myself.
It is quite possible that to get people in the mindset of avoiding pregnancy, or terminating the pregnancy as early as possible, that more could be done than is presently done. I think, me taking this position, probably will make both Liberals and Conservatives uncomfortable. It is not the goal that either side says they want. Liberals want inviolate reproductive freedom and nobody pushing them psychologically to do anything different. Conservatives want no abortions at all, generally speaking, and quite often don't want anyone to have sex either.
I remember my daughters going through sex education in grade school. I walked in the door one day and they were sitting around the kitchen table with their friends with the book and my youngest daughter asked, "Dad, have you masturbated lately?" Ya, I just got done," I replied. "Can't you tell by the smile on my face?" Then she went on reading about how some boys have sex with farm animals. She then did a skit starting with, "Oh daddy please don't kill that chicken. I love him so." So I observed their sex education but seen where it did any good because they didn't do worth a damn in decent relationships. One goes through guys like she's still playing with her dolls and the other kills herself leaving behind how she used sex to get drugs and things like that which only led to more self-destruction. Even their mother wrote me about using sex to have a place to stay and other various filling of her own personal wants needs and desires with the use of sex.
My own personal feelings about abortions is that they aid irresponsible sexual behaviors so I personally am against them. If a baby would be brought into this world a father would be responsible for the baby's welfare so the father should be held responsible for the pregnancies in the first place and not society in any way. If society really cared about something like abortions my personal take on that is to teach about what it takes to develop successful relationships in the first place instead of focusing on just sexual encounters. Look at where our whole society's mental state is at right now.
We just had the young man killing children in Conn. and call him and others like him a monster, mentally ill, a nut-cake and names like that. Yet where has there been anybody trying to see life through his eyes instead of selfishly and inconsiderately only their own eyes. His parents were separated for years and had divorced a couple of years ago. Then his father remarried and that's when he wouldn't have anything to do with him. Okay so I'm a male. I mean just in this group how many females can I honestly discuss subjects with where I could freely share my thoughts as I seen things without arguing, defending or protecting myself from what I shared? So this young man is left with just his mother to share his thoughts with in how he seen life and she sees him as needing help and was thinking of moving to someplace else to get him help. I mean nobody could see any thing right about him so naturally he broke down and his anger about not being seen right about anything about him latched out ended up being expressed the way it did. Look into any events like that and look for that pattern and then let's discuss if sex education should be taught or learning about relationships should be taught which could include sex as in relationships in the subject. I grew up with a sister that I thought God put me on this earth to kill just to put her out of her misery plus my mother complained so much about everything and everybody that I honestly seen my own father lose his will to live. How many consider how stuff like that affects the mental state in human beings, which is the reason I believe relationships need to be taught more then sex education. Stop the irresponsible sex in the first place to deal with abortions decently!
Never learned anything about masturbation or bestiality in either private school or public school sex ed classes. Maybe I already knew something about masturbation so I just don't remember it as new info. Bestiality definitely wasn't in any curriculum, I would have remembered that! The jokes and cutting up would have never ended. I remember all of us lauging our asses off in the private school, in 5th grade we just couldn't stop laughing. When NC required sex ed in 9th grade this was old news to me. I asked one very snarky question to give the female teacher a hard time. "How do snakes have sex?" Hey, she said any question.... She didn't know that I was going to mime it out with my 2 arms as "snakes" when she was not looking. "Snake jokes" were a running gag from back in 5th grade.
What's done in school is only sex education, not emotional education. Emotionally educating people is a vast subject, one that I'm not sure schools can do. It also crosses many boundaries of having the State do things vs. Parents do things. Any curriculum would need a lot of public discussion to be approved. I think some schools do have "anger management" curriculums, so it's not like courses have never been tried anywhere. There are models to draw upon. But given your seriously bad family life you're describing, I think it's a bit much to expect "the right kind of" sex ed class to have fixed all of that. Some kind of emotions class may have helped all of you, but even then, you and your family members are the ones who have to work through it all. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink.
This post was modified from its original form on 16 Jan, 20:05
God you make a perfect example of what I actually wrote about communicating or sharing which is the main reason I included the part about the young man in Conn. There is absolutely no way I could ever make sense to you just as there was no way this young man could ever make sense to his mother. But that goes a lot farther then just that young man as I follow suicide and senseless deaths very closely. I had also included in my post about how many females in just this group could I honestly share my feelings or opinions about anything in a discussion without arguing, defending or protecting myself. Yet to me children are influenced my their parents and the relationship the parents put together shows up in the children's behaviors in their future. So many relationship are put together where males enable females to control and manipulate them to get their relationships and that is reflected in our society. Females get let down because instead of a male's strength they get his weakness. Think about it. What is there to respect or trust about somebody you can control and manipulate. What is there to trust or respect about somebody who controls and manipulates you? So it's two wrongs trying to make a right. Now consider we have a whole society behaving this way!
Thank you for displaying your behavior in responding to my post. I couldn't have asked for a better example of what I had been attempting to bring across.