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So, what now?? March 26, 2007 6:25 PM

http://www.care2.com/news/member/485594961/334256 Prius not so green. Click on link, thanks.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2007 7:42 AM

Thanks for the link. A person can take issue with some of the information in the article, but the author is right in suggesting that hybrid technology is not necessarily going to solve our problems, and could possibly make them worse. The environmental impact of batteries is precisely the reason that I have not jumped on the hybrid bandwagon.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2007 9:19 AM

:) The battery is exactly what has had me concerned too. Thanks for your thoughts.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2007 9:20 AM

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A few comments: March 27, 2007 9:55 AM

Seems to me the author is making some assumptions that don't have to be true. For instance, the material in batteries can be recycled - in fact it is supposed to be. That will offset the mining "problem" (which I suspect is exaggerated here anyway) over time. Also, the environmental problems he cites are mostly local, while the environmental problems that green cars help out with are mostly global - an important difference the author didn't say anything about. He seems to assume you can break everything down to monetary values, and I don't buy that. He's right about fixing the lead foot, but then I suspect that lead foot is the reason the Prius has gotten worse mileage for some drivers than others - why didn't he just say that in the first place? ____ BTW, I did look at a Scion and think it's actually worth considering, though I'd be more likely to go for a Civic or a Versa.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2007 10:04 AM

Thank you for your comments, Carl. :)  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Additional Information regarding Dust to Dust Costs April 01, 2007 8:34 AM

Jen, First off, thank you for posting this article. There were some interesting statements that I definitely want to keep in mind when I do my research. One item that caught my eye was the Dust to Dust Cost per mile for the Hummer and the Prius. Because of that I dug a little deeper. I received the information that wss referenced in the article from the following website. http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/ I had selected the following spreadsheet for information. Cost per mile by segment by model and sorts.xls The auther was 100% correct in there statement. The additional information is that they were referencing 2005 information and not the currently available 2006 information. Additionally, they were referring to the H3 when it could be construed (I did) that they were referring to the H1. I am going to try an post a table of this basic information. Hopefully it will be understood without formatting. ----------------------------------------------- Dust to Dust E Cost Per Mile Segment Model 2005 2006 PSUV H1 3.505 4.012 PSUV H2 3.027 3.585 UMRSUV H3 1.949 2.069 HY Prius 3.249 2.865 Industry Straight Avg (of 323 vehicles) 2.946 ISA (removing top & bottom ten leaving 303 veh) 2.386 ---------------------------------------------------------- As can be seen for 2006 the H3 does have a lower cost than the prius, but the H2 & H3 are higher. Also, this is just a cost comparison, and many, many other considerations are taken into account as well ----------------------------------------------- Top 18 for 2006 (under 1 dollar) Model $ Per Mile xB $0.492 Neon $0.641 Tracker $0.665 Ion $0.670 Wrangler $0.709 Corolla $0.720 Aveo $0.744 Elantra $0.748 xA $0.759 S10 $0.761 Echo $0.776 Protégé $0.781 Focus $0.788 tC $0.801 Cavalier $0.802 Sunfire $0.820 Spectra $0.828 Accent $0.828 Aerio $0.902 Sentra $0.906 Fit $0.911 Versa $0.929 Yaris $0.936 Ranger $0.961 G5 $0.965 Cobalt $0.969 Forenza/Reno $0.993 Rio $0.994 ---------------------------------- There is much to be reviewed, and there is definitely many variable to consider. I am still shocked at the high cost for the Prius and it is good to keep in mind. There are many variables to consider though, and this just examines the following. --------------------------------------------------------------- The cost per mile for each model sold in the 2006 calendar year. For details on methodology, see "Dust to Dust" Report. Data was gleaned from public records and other sources. Breakdown of various metals, plastics and fabrics. The use of energy to produce these various materials. The cost of producing various weights of these materials. Use of human vs. robotic labor. Cost per energy unit IS NOT part of this evaluation, only the amount of energy necessary. This has been translated into the Dust-to-Dust Cost per Mile below. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Once again Jen, thans for providing additional information. It is always good to have many viewpoints. Keith  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 April 01, 2007 8:25 PM

Wow. That is very fascinating. Thank you for that post, Keith. :)  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Hybrids only speed up this crisis April 02, 2007 3:52 AM

This was taken from the LATOC website and the Author is Matt Savinar a highly respected myth debunker of many well known alternatives. I. Hybrids Hybrids or so called "hyper-cars" aren't the answer either because the construction of an average car consumes the energy equivalent of approximately 27-54 barrels (1,110-2,200 gallons) of oil. Thus, a crash program to replace the 700 million internal combustion vehicles currently on the road with super fuel-efficient or alternative fuel-powered vehicles would consume the energy equivalent of approximately 18-36 billion barrels of oil, which is the amount of oil the world currently consumes in six-to-twelve months. Consequently, such a program (while well-intentioned) would actually bring the collapse upon us even sooner. http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Index.html Please read the above link in its entirety, then you will know that we are in so much trouble as a civilisation that hybrids are just as the article says - not even any better than a Hummer.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
So, what now? April 02, 2007 4:10 AM

I personally would suggest we all drive less, live a simpler greener life and DO NOT buy new cars.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
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