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Hybrids in India? March 21, 2005 6:59 AM

We had a question about how to help an Indian gentleman introduce the concept of Hybrids into his society, which already provides electric vehicles. He is concerned that electric vehicles are too expensive for many people to switch over. I agree that a hybrid car should be available for him and his country. What can we do for him? Petition Honda, Toyota and Ford? Any ideas? ~Michelle  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
This is sheer stupidity March 27, 2005 9:18 AM

The average East Indian earns 300 USD / yr When EIs get US jobs, they are paid 100 USD / mo With so much poverty you want to help the few rich people who rape poor people Why dont you people get a clue Bicycles and Public Transporation is what the world needs, anything else is globalist genocide  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 27, 2005 11:08 AM

Most of those cars in India are probably volkswagon or nissan taxis, so the government would probably have to subsidize some kind of program to replace them. Which probably isn't going to happen. Unfortunately a nation has to get dirty building infrastructure before it can get clean, because the rich developed nations dont help out the poor ones.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Hybrids may not be the answer... March 27, 2005 11:32 AM

biofuels for diesel vehicles, and a CNG or (eventually) solar-panel powered local hydrogen electrolyzers could power existing vehicle infrastrucutre...get people thinking about economy and conservation. Then, working with companies who are in hybrids already, move those there. Truly, hybrids are a tough sell...especially since the local emergency response crews are probably not professional and WILL NOT know the special tangers and technologies which Hybrid rescues require. That being said, my groups would love to help on this project. Email  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
The answer March 27, 2005 7:36 PM

Getting rid of this group is a start, and shooting those stupid wiccan assholes that attacked me in the first place would go a long way  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 27, 2005 8:47 PM

Wiccan assholes? There was one guy who said something about cars not spinning for no reason at all. The rest was me and a couple other people, who aren't wiccan from what I can tell.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 March 27, 2005 8:50 PM

Strike that, Maggie's profile says she's Wiccan too. Shes also right, so that makes it ok.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Threatening violence March 28, 2005 5:45 AM

OK terroristic threats tend to get the FBI involved, especially when racially/religiosly motivated. Watch it, JV  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Sheer stupidity relative to what? March 28, 2005 8:27 PM

If the driver of a Honda Insight is complicit in genocide, what is the driver of a Hummer H2? If a Wiccan, who holds nature to be sacred and its preservation important, is [you know what John put here], then what is a Christian who asserts that environmental preservation is pointless because the second coming of Christ is upon us? If an Indian making 1200 USD a year is raping the poor, then what of America's dozens of multi-billionaires, 1 million+ millionaires, and vast middle class with a salary between 30 and 100 times the aforementioned Indian's income? Look at this link: I will not say that your ideas are wrong, John, but you are attacking the Prius in the age of the Land Cruiser.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Steering attention away from the topic. April 05, 2005 7:00 AM

John V is succeeding in steering our attention away from the topic, of which I was the original author. Let's get back. What do you think about Hybrids overseas? How can we here in America, Europe or elsewhere encourage the sale of Hybrids in countries like India? ~Michelle  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Electric Vehicles in India April 05, 2005 7:59 AM

Electric Vehicles are presently made in India. They are successfully working in select industries, and their performance is very satisfactory. The large Company that makes them is BHEL, who are a well managed and efficient Company. These are not 'hybrids', but electric totally.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Steve F. has a clue April 05, 2005 10:43 AM

Steve F. had an interesting point which I support... if there is infact, a large amount of diesel-burning cars already (and a lot of VWs and the like do burn diesel in the rest of the world), one additional factor to hybrid vehicles would be the introduction of bio-diesel. It burns a lot cleaner than regular petrol, reducing major emissions by as much as 70% while lubing the engine better than regular petroleum. Something as simple as a B20 blend (20% biofuel/80%petrol) would dramatically reduce emissions as well as oil consumption by a society such as India, and that could mean huge savings. This also might be an easier sell to people who do not want to give up their current diesel cars. Especially if the government is resisting to using subsidies to make this happen. The biofuel is easy to make, I've done it in my own home before using waste frying oil. The book to look at would be From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel by Joshua Tickell, Kaia Tickell, Kaia Roman (Editor). It is a great home-resource for biodiesel. I do support hybrids, don't get me wrong. It is just that certain solutions are better for certain areas. No one solution will be found to our oil dependency, but a combination of them will change the world. While bicycles and mass transit are wonderful alternatives, the fact is in the modern world they are not as practical as we would like them to be. Some cities (like san francisco) they work well in, whereas others (like LA or Houston) they do not, and other viable solutions need to be examined.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Thanks JH but Michelle is right April 05, 2005 1:46 PM

I'd love to have your help with the Alliance for Sustainable Communications ( working on these issues,,,but fror this thread let's move it back to Hybrids  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Back to the topic... April 08, 2005 11:39 AM

Yes Steve, Michelle, you're right... back to hybrid talk... I apologize, I sometimes wander while speaking...  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
Dear Michelle April 09, 2005 1:57 AM

You did not reply to my post. India is far advanced, technologically, than most other countries. We developed efficient Electric Vehicles, and they are successfully operating in India. Why go for Hybrids? Would you kindly respond, as my earlier post had gone unattended by you.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
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