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Deeper Issues March 27, 2005 9:03 AM

Starting with a real relfection of recent experiences I have had on the higways, I was attacked for being mean for being caring and real This is what I have learned: The unnecessary use of the individual car (4 wheeler) is a product of pure selfishness Because it is suburban related it is related to the single family home The single family home is where 99% the child rape occurs Because I was attacked by pagans and wiccans I am forced to assume a relationship between paganism and child abuse I have long been aware of a Nazi relationship (coming from S&M lesbians in Germany) and femminism Christianity, as %#&!*% up as it is, was a revolution against Judism and Paganism -- study paganism its really based on hanging corpses from trees in scandanavia We all need to live in tall buildings to allow nature to exist but this group proves that even supposed liberals are really seeking the destruction of nature by bulldozers and other construction equipment so they can live w/o the scrutiny of society -- for really really sick reasons  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2005 9:55 AM

What!!! Where in the hell does this fantastic conspiracy theory bullcrap come from! So now we promote child rape too! My god man, get a clue.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 March 27, 2005 10:43 AM

"I was attacked for being mean for being caring and real" Telling us we are stupid, and saying it would be a good thing if our relatives died is not being caring. Its being an ass. "The unnecessary use of the individual car (4 wheeler) is a product of pure selfishness" Technically, yes, but selfishness is not always a bad thing. The use of cars is often a necessity for getting to and from point A and B. Nothing more. If that means I have to take my child to the hospital then thats what it means. If it means I have to drive to work to feed my family then thats what it means. In a way those things are selfish, but it is in the way that all things can never totally be altruistic. I could just as easily argue that bike travel is selfish. "Because it is suburban related it is related to the single family home" Newsflah, Suburban families are not the only single family homes. Families living in apartments in NYC are still single family homes. The majority of people in this world live in single family homes of some sort or another. That is not to say it is better, it is just the most popular form of social organization today. "The single family home is where 99% the child rape occurs" Be careful of statistics. This relationship between child rape and single family homes is bogus. I'm willing to bet that 99% of Americans live in single family homes, and thus if child rape usually happens in the home then of course 99% of child rape will happen in single family homes. If 99% of people lived in multi-family caves, then 99% of child rape would happen in caves too. It is a bogus statistic that totally obscures the logic behind it. "Because I was attacked by pagans and wiccans I am forced to assume a relationship between paganism and child abuse" Again, wrong. If you were attacked by a lawyer, would you then assume an intrinsic relationship between layers and child abuse? It is not a reasonable conclusion. "I have long been aware of a Nazi relationship (coming from S&M lesbians in Germany) and femminism" What?!?!? Who cares, even if its true. Not all feminists think that way. There are varying types of feminism, and the kind of feminism you are talking about is a very small minority of those who call themselves feminists. And besides all that I dont see what any of this has to do with hybrid cars. "Christianity, as %#&!*% up as it is, was a revolution against Judism and Paganism -- study paganism its really based on hanging corpses from trees in scandanavia" Yes, it was a revolution against Judaism, only because Christians believe the Christ is Jesus. It revolted against Paganism because it conflicted with its own beliefs and because it undermined the power that Christianity held in Europe. And where does this hanging corpses from trees thing come from! Your understanding of Paganism is horribly confused I assure you. And what about those Catholic priests who molest alter boys. Would you assume that simply because there are a great number of child molestations in Catholic churches that Catholicism PROMOTES child rape? "We all need to live in tall buildings to allow nature to exist but this group proves that even supposed liberals are really seeking the destruction of nature by bulldozers and other construction equipment so they can live w/o the scrutiny of society -- for really really sick reasons" And what really really sick reasons would those be? So we can molest children? Come on man, fin some common sense.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
off the deep end March 27, 2005 11:28 AM

looking for a response, JV? You won't get one from me. If you quote a statistic (like your rape factor) please provide statistics I saw no attacks on you or reference to wiccan or pagan cultures...certainly no one representing themselves as legitimate authorities in those. Please lose the personal attacks  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
The Issues March 27, 2005 6:46 PM

Public Transportation - is probably supported by most members of this group. Child Abuse - is probably opposed by all members of this group. Deforestation - is a serious issue, and is probably recognized as such by most of this group. Paganism - is probably best defined by its individual practitioners. Feminism - is an important idea to many, and can be non-Nazi with relative ease. Many people who live in suburban homes instead of apartments in the city probably do so because of a fear of crime. Public transportation can evoke images of smelly, loud, mean-faced people. Perhaps some people view private cars and homes as an expression of individualism, and public transportation and apartments as collectivism. Society is still developing, and it seems that we need to learn how to be more comfortable with each other and develop a deeper sense of individuality that is not threatened by things like public transportation. I see this group as advocating hybrid automobiles as the highest extant practical form of a common, even dominant, means of transportation. Choosing a hybrid automobile over a less efficient one is a moderate action in favor of the environment that any individual of sufficient financial means can take. I appreciate John's original intent, before this got all nasty, but the greatest threat to the environment and to public safety does not come from people who make a conscious effort to purchase the smallest and most efficient vehicles available. Here, John, and everybody else, is a more appropriate target for the time being: http://www.suvoa.com/ Look at this page, and let all negative feelings against well-intentioned members of this group melt away. We're fighting on the same side.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
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