The World Trade Center was a complex of buildings.  The towers were just the most visible of the buildings.  WTC 7 was an office building that part of the complex.  It was not hit by 'airplanes' and it was not damaged by debris.  Yet, it came down late afternoon on Sept. 11 - in a perfect controlled demolition.  This office building was shaped differently than the towers, it was shorter and very wide.  The demolition began by collapsing the center column supports so that the building collapsed in on itself.  Even FEMA hasn't had the cahones to give an explanation for the collapse of this building - summation of their report, "We don't know nothing".

http://www.wtc7.net/

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/WTC7.htm

[Larry Silverstein bought the WTC weeks before September 11th.  This was unquestionably a bad investment at the time the deal was done (research NYC real estate market, WTC rental history, asbestos removal) it was made.  He put a couple hundred million down - and then he insured the center for $3.1 BILLION.  If this were a murder case - man's wife dies, big payoff in insurance, there would be an indictment just on that evidence. ]

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Hi! I have just now gotten back from the Greenwood Library {in Seattle} from a showing of parts of videos about the 911 conspiracy -- a sort of compilation of clips from different videos by different people.  Before today, I was skeptical -- I would have gone so far as to say that Bush & co. KNEW something in advance, and decided it was in their best interest to DO NOTHING -- that's as far as I thot it reasonable to go. 

NOW, however, after viewing those clips -- especially of No. 7 going down -- we have all seen, over & over, clips in the news of hi-rises going down, it's always fun to watch -- and building 7 went down EXACTLY the same way, you could see it in all the clips, over & over, from all different angles.  There was NO debris on the roof; and the fires burning were such as SHOULD have been able to have been put out by sprinklers. 

Furthermore, one of the people involved SAID that "they had decided to PULL the building" -- THAT IS A TECHNICAL TERM USED BY DEMOLITION PEOPLE AND IT MEANS "TO DEMOLISH"! This was after the investigation started.  It was NOT, of course, picked up by any of the news media.  You & I never heard that, did we?  It's sensational!  a confession!

BUT, wait -- there's more! In order for a building to go down in the neat manner we have all seen in numerous news clips of numerous buildings, IT TAKES EXPERTS DOING DAYS, MAYBE WEEKS OF CAREFUL WORK TO PLACE THE EXPLOSIVES JUST EXACTLY RIGHT, etc.etc.  If No. 7 went down just hours after the twin towers -- THAT MEANS THE EXPLOSIVES WERE ALREADY IN PLACE DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT!!!!!!! You can imagine what THAT implies!  They can't just run in there, set a few explosive charges in a couple of hours, and have the building go down in that neat, very professional way!!!!!

There is evidence that one of the entire floors of that building was used as a "command center" -- it, only one floor, was bomb-proofed, HAD ITS OWN AIR SUPPLY and its own water supply, and had glass installed that was able to withstand 160-mile-an-hour winds.  Only one floor. That had a good view of the other twin towers.  There are in existence the records of this work being done and paid for. 

The idea was, that this building, no. 7, was used to "command" maybe drone airplanes?  or supervise the whole thing anyway, and THAT WAS WHY BUILDING 7 HAD TO BE DESTROYED -- TO DESTROY INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE !

NO STEEL-FRAMED BUILDING IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF ARCHITECTURE HAS EVER GONE DOWN FROM A FIRE!!!!!!  That is impossible.  Never happened before, never will happen.  If it WERE possible, every office worker and hi-rise apartment dweller ought to be concerned! 

I brot home reading lists, etc. but maybe you guys already have access to this stuff, but I could if anybody asked me post some of it.  There are some very determined people here in Seattle!  This was pure and simple MURDER AND CONSPIRACY and there can be NO other possible explanation, there just isn't any.

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Thankyou for posting about WTC 7.

Very important to know about the existence of a Command Center, obviously.

At one time there was info online about how one of the "hit" towers had "engineers" going in and out (in a clandestine manner) for weeks prior to the attack.

This same (which I can`t find yet) info included the fact that one of the Bush Brothers was part owner of the Security Company for the Twin Towers.

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Yes of course.

Post anything you feel is relevant. There`s a lot of info to cover on this....

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to all who do this research so time challenged people like myself can just sit here and read it.

Spooky

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The command center was the city's central disaster command center.  It was a secure place where the mayor and city leaders could meet that had all kinds of special communications equipment and who knows what all.  This is a normal thing for a city like New York to have a place like this to handle disasters. 

The WTC 7 was the farthest building from the towers and it was not hit by any debris.  Supposedly the facade was damaged slightly but the fire (which was small) was on the interior.  The official speculation was that the diesel fuel storage tanks in the basement caught on fire and caused to building to collapse - more magic fire. 

In the WTC complex - both WTC 7 and the towers, there were offices of the Secret Service, the CIA, DOD, FEMA and the SEC. 

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UNDENIABLE FACT NO. 1:

WCT7 was a STRUCTURALLY SOUND building at the time it went down, not damaged by airplanes, debris, seriously damaged by fires, or anything else.  Its downfall, as anyone looking at the videos of it going down, or even only at photographs from the air after the buildings' demise, was -- could ONLY have been -- could be NOTHING BUT -- a neat, competent, highly professional job of demolition.  We have ALL seen such demolition jobs at least on the TV news or in movies, and many of us have seen such professional demolitions carried out even in our own communities, as when in Seattle a professional demolition company blew up the gigantic "Kingdome" in just EXACTLY such a manner.  It all came down at once, not piecemeal, and nothing was left standing, and it all actually just took a minute!  ONLY a professional job carried out by skilled, trained experts looks like that.  An earthquake, fire, bombing from the air, or the collapse of a structurally unsound building, NEVER looks like that.  In such cases, some parts of the bldg fall before others, some parts are left standing, some parts have to be pulled down later -- it's a mess.  Afterwards, there was this nice, neat, SYMMETRICAL heap of just rubble, no walls, no big chunks of the bldg, NOTHING.  Only humans can do this, on purpose, not nature or "accident".

UNDENIABLE FACT NO. 2:

In order for the bldg to have been "pulled" for ANY reason, AFTER the planes hit the twin towers, if the decision was made THEN for a team of experts to blow it up, then the following would have had to happen:

First, the skilled team of professionals would have had to have been assembled from wherever in the world they happened to be at the time, maybe engaged in blowing up a building in some other part of the world.  This is NOT a job for amateurs, NOT a job that "just anybody" could do, not an illegal worker given some explosives and told to throw them at the building, for example!  If these skilled experts happened to be at the moment outside of NYC on some job or just taking time off, they'd have to be notified and brot into NYC -- at a time when NO AIRCRAFT WAS ALLOWED IN THE AIR!  Then, all their equipment would've had to be hastily assembled, the explosives themselves, timers {which have to be set in an EXACT SEQUENCE for the demolition to work properly} , very detailed maps and blueprints of the buildings' structure on every floor, tools, I don't know what-all.  All this stuff is probably very heavy, and, {I hope}, stored at various different secure locations!  Then, after it was assembled, dozens of guys would have to carry this heavy and complicated stuff INTO the bldg.  All of this, PLUS actually installing the explosives carefully and accurately, the timers, maybe hacking into the walls to do so, etc.  And, on top of that, they'd be working in a bldg where fires were raging, thick smoke and low visibility and not to mention the danger of the explosives near fire!

Obviously, this NEVER happened, COULD NOT POSSIBLY happen, the time frame alone makes it IMPOSSIBLE.  These professional demolitions take DAYS, if not weeks, or months, to set up.   Also, of course, NO dozens of guys carrying heavy loads and technical equipment were seen between the time the airplanes hit, and the time WTC7 went down, scurrying into the bldg.  {It's interesting to hear that such guys WERE seen- as you'd expect-- EARLIER than that.}THEREFORE, it is the ONLY POSSIBLE conclusion, that the demolition of a completely structurally sound and fairly new bldg was planned BEFORE 911, and ALL the demolition equipment and explosive charges were in place BEFORE 911, so that it only took the press of a button when it was decided to "PULL" WTC7.  It WAS admitted {altho buried and not in the news!} that WTC7 was "pulled" {a professional, very specific term, referring to what demolition experts do}.  SOMEONE made ALL the arrangements beforehand, so that they WOULDN'T have to call up and assemble the team, etc.etc.  THESE ARE FACTS.  There may be speculation and guessing, accurate or not, about motives, etc.  -- but THESE ARE FACTS to base further speculations on.  There IS a conspiracy and a coverup of these facts that ANYONE watching demolitions in their communities or on the evening news, can EASILY understand.  They just NEVER SHOWED YOU THE VIDEOS OF WTC7 GOING DOWN!

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I've read that there are less than a half dozen companies in the world that do demolitions of skyscrapers like this.  I think there are two of them in the U.S. but I could be off on that.  It requires highly skilled engineers and explosives experts. 

Another analysis

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7.html

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Yup. Exactamento. And, these guys ain't talkin' -- not only because they got very highly paid, but because they now may be in fear of their lives -- look how many people after the Kennedy assassination lost their lives, people who "knew something" and were going to reveal it.  Not a coincidence! "Suicides", "car accidents", etc. 

Once you've seen a professional job of demolition, you never forget it -- it's so IMPRESSIVE!  Half of Seattle turned out to watch the Kingdome demolition a few years ago, and the other half were glued to their tvs watching it rerun over & over! 

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After a plane wreck, for example, it is MANDATORY for the debris to be kept in storage somewhere so that investigators can determine the cause of the crash, how to make planes and buildings safer, structural weaknesses, etc.  This is THE LAW.  In the case of 9/11, THE LAW WHICH IS ALWAYS OBSERVED IN LESSER INCIDENTS was BROKEN; the salvageable debris was sold at VERY CHEAP prices to third-world nations, and what couldn't be sold was dumped in the harbor.  Now it is IMPOSSIBLE to track it down. {Unless those Chinese or Malaysians start coming down with radiation sickness!}

That is also a plausible reason for the destruction of WTC7, which was structurally sound, parts of it RE-INFORCED to a huge degree, and a relatively new building that, even with minor damage, could have lasted for decades or longer.  It is plausible that DESTRUCTION OF CRUCIAL, INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE was the motive in BOTH of the above instances.  That they are related -- the destruction of the building "needlessly", and the carting away of the legally-required evidence from that same building TOTALLY BREAKING THE COMMON-SENSE AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

I like to concentrate on WTC7 because the issues are so SIMPLE, so CLEAR-CUT, not "speculative", and you don't have to be an expert in ANYTHING to completely and fully understand them.  There can be no possible answer or alternative set of explanations, either.  We had better start introducing our children to these concepts, which they can readily understand, it is certain that our media and our schools NEVER will do it. 

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We must teach our children.

Spooky

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what I said. I agree with you. I have a 14 year old son. If he doesn't look at things and make the correct choices, it could mean his life. I did not give birth to my child so he could have his blood spilled for Dubby's oil.

Spooky  

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Rudy Guiliani received a warning about 15 minutes ahead of time that the WTC 7 was going to collapse. 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/090405gotwarning.htm

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that is going to cause the whole govt. "case" to collapse faster than the towers did.  I am sending postcards with the WTC 7 question to anybody in govt. I can think of, such as the more liberal Senators.  Also with the text in big letters:  9-11      BUSH  KNEW    

I have SEEN the video clip where it was PUBLICLY ADMITTED for ALL to see, on PUBLIC TV, that WTC 7 was DESTROYED ON PURPOSE; a conclusion that ANYONE seeing the collapse on video would come to ANYWAY, but its nice to see them ADMIT IT OPENLY; evidently it was a "slip-up" during an interview {with Silverstein}; the media, in typical fashion, have just IGNORED this vital new info.

It was on PBS, on a documentary titled: America Rebuilding.  It is now part of the PUBLIC record!!

WTC 7 had in it the CIA headquarters in NYC.  It also had a very fortified bunker-like set of rooms, NOT in the basement, as you would expect such a room to be, but on one of the middle floors {with a clear view of the Twin Towers}.  The contractor's specifications for re-inforcing this room are on record; glass to withstand winds of 165-miles-an-hour {wouldn't have been necessary in a basement}, and its own air supply and water supply, among other things.  This was billed as the Emergency Center for the Mayor and the Governor; I suppose to justify the great expense; but, obviously, since the building ALTHO RELATIVELY UNDAMAGED was deliberately and ON PURPOSE DESTROYED, the Mayor and the Governor NEVER USED IT FOR THIS PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!

PBS, public television documentary, "America Rebuilding"; it is OPENLY STATED in a tv interview, that WTC 7 was DELIBERATELY DESTROYED, ON PURPOSE, with malice aforethought.  The explosive charges would have HAD to be set in place, a lengthy and careful process taking DAYS to do, at some time LONG before the airplanes dove into the towers.  The Mayor and the Governor, at least, KNEW not to go into that previously-mined building for "their protection"!

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Alex Jones at Ground Zero: The Use Of Explosives In the 9/11 Attack

This is an excerpt from Alex Jones' latest film, 9/11 Martial Law: Rise of the Police State.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/180305groundzero.htm

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&q=alex+jones

here you can watch alexs vdeio for free

barabara the reason no one saw people with explosives going into building 7 is because the explosives were placed by the WTC security team. Which just hapen to expire on 9/11

 and who was it run by?

The Youngest Bush Brother Neil

So Just like

GB sr was controlling the assassination of Kennedy

Neil was helping to orchestrate the plot for 9/11

I gurantee if anyone can get a hold of the employment records of Neil Bush's security company you will find plent of people that also worked for the CIA or had some knowledge of demolitions.

The person you spoke of that said PULL buolding 7

was the owner of the buildings Larry Silverstein

Just for fun these are words i did numerology on and came up with 911

Coincidental how all these words line up

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Albany = 911 (several incidents here)(about a car, college girl photo capitol
Appoint Supreme Court Justice=911
Bald=911
Bilderberg =911 is using Numerology = 911 G8 Summit
Bermuda=911 
Cincinati =911
Corporations=911
Fountain=911
Elaine Chao=911 (US Dept of Labor)
Haliburton construct=911 (Recontruct Iraq after 911)
Honduras = 911 (where Bush sr disposed of Panamanian  civilians)
Honolulu = 911
India = 911   Just had a great Flood killed thousands 6/05
Iran Nuclear Installation =911
Love Matrix Unification Point =911 (42nd Portal Bulkanmts, Bulgaria)
Lucent Labs=911 (Naperville Illinois)
Nebula =911
Marilyn Monroe = 911
Mesopotamia=911
Pat Robertson = 911 (remember him?)
Psychological Warfare=911 (this is what 911 was)
Regular=911
Sikh temple 911
Thirteenth=911
Trumpets Rang=911
Universal war = 911
Vatican city = 911(The Pope) Just elected last 2004
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Government attacks=911
World Trade Center Catastrophe =   911
civil = 911 (as in civil rights and the PATRIOT act)                    
happened on 11th day
week before new moon SEPT. 17 10 27
sound=911(sonic boom registered with flight 93)  
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I wonder if the whole Republican Congress is aware of this all? Hillary? Would she not be aware of who Pres Bush's brother is? House Rep from Georgia Cynthia MckInney has had a bit of trouble, due to suggestions that investigations were needed. A Washington Post Staff writer won a Pulitzer Prize for critism of the Representative over an incident with a security guard. The author of that scatching aritcle probably agrees with the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, which Ms McKinnery argued against. Hopefully she'll only be harmed verbally.

So I wonder, if persons of average intelligence (me) can see and understand these things, hasn't any elected offical thought to do something on behalf of those that elected them? Perhaps they live in fear of their lives? Scary.

I wonder if WTC7 was set that way, to be demolished if the country were under attack? If Silverstein said "pull it" would he have been privvy to that info?

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I love each and every one of you for posting this valuable information.  If anyone has a question regarding the "physics" of the collapse of all three buildings, go to my post on physics within the group site and copy, paste, and send along to everybody.

Solidarity,

Eva

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In addition, Barbara T, there is also the BIG QUESTION of how a billfold supposedly in "pristine condition" was found around this wreckage, linking a passenger on the plane as a terrorist responsible for the attack.

Now, with the "law of physics and the tinyest bit of planted evidence," how could WE believe otherwise than it was an INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!

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I'm one of 9 children or from a family of 11. (oops, should have mentioned who's post I'm replying to) Spent some time at Killtown, the Web fairy as noted above. It's obvious it was controlled demolition. Was only a few weeks ago, I looked at an MSN front page blurb. It showed how the "fuel spill" destroyed the WTC's. I thought, ok, maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's exactly what happened. But it didn't explain WTC 7 and why 6 which was closer remained intact.

Like Vicky said thank you all for posting.

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This afternoon, I saw a man whom I had not seen in many years.  Somehow, it came about that he said he wished Bush would get the people who caused the 9/11 attacks.  Unable to bear the pain of biting my tongue, I said I wished we knew who caused the attacks.  With a confused look, he said, "I thought it was that bin Laydon guy" (his pronunciation).

I said, "But half the alleged hijackers are still alive."

His first response was, "Well, then, why don't we go get them?"  Slowly -- too slowly -- it sunk in: If they were really the hijackers, they couldn't be alive.  Then he asked, "Why isn't our government telling us about these things?"

Me:  "Now that's a darned good question."  Then I asked, "And what about WTC7?"

Blank look.

"Another building at the site."

"Oh, the one across the street?"

"Yeah, that one.  Wasn't hit, no significant fire, but it still collapsed."

"Man, that's wild."

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Never Forget that WTC 7 collapsed in 7 seconds and was not hit by a airplane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#7_World_Trade_Center

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Never Forget that WTC 7 collapsed in 7 seconds and was not hit by a airplane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#7_World_Trade_Center

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I wonder if this all really happened? Mass hallucination? Oops, I did visit Ground Zero. My brother's company opened the building and worked with Red Cross to aid people. My nephew's friends worked in the WTC....

Thank you, I will now never forget that WTC7 collapsed in 7 seconds. I did not have a tv at the time. Don't recall reading about it. Isn't it amazing that a building not hit by a bomb could collapse so fast? The towers were so much taller. Buildings don't just collapse due to fires.

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I am assuming the wtc 7 was empty?

I just watched the video , it came straight down

in a matter of seconds

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Silverstein had WTC evacuated, because it contained many offices.  Among those offices were high government offices, including Federal Offices.  More research should be added to this WTC 7 thread.  I'll try hunting down the video and post it here so that you can actually hear Silverstein talking about TAKING BUILDING 7 OUT -- meaning demolishing it, and the estimated time for a demolition set-up for such a building is approximately 16 hours of planning and planting of explosives, a well-planned out demolition.  Now HOW COULD THAT BE?

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We have Elsie T to thank for these great videos of the controlled demolition of WTC 7

9/11 Videos: THE CONTROLLED COLLAPSE OF WTC 7 December 18, 2005 12:06 AM

Demolitions Sites

Demolition

9/11 Videos:
THE CONTROLLED COLLAPSE OF WTC 7

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

Thank you, Elsie, for your input and great research.  The pictures are wonderful.

JUST WHAT THIS THREAD NEEDED, MORE EVIDENCE.  THESE WERE POSTED SOMETIME AGO AND IN THE ARCHIVES WITH NO COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS.  THEY NEED EXPOSURE HERE, AND THIS HOST IS REPOSTING THEM, THANKS TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTION OF ELSIE T ON THIS GROUP SITE:

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Thanks for the post here, Yvonne, and the member above who posted on Alex Jones' video from Prison Planet is savvy to the physics of the demolition of WTC 7, also.

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I'll post on Marvin Bush's security contract on the Twin Towers later, as soon as I retreive the information from another post of mine here, as well as it is in Alex Jones' videos, too.

Sleep tight tonight, friends!!!!!

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Why not?  Why weren't those people helped to evacuate after the first hit?

Maybe this will explain:

9/11 Security
Courtesy of Marvin Bushhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

WATCH THE VIDEO RIGHT AFTER THIS LAST ARTICLE, TOO!!!

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Do you know what was under Building 7?????   I do, and I was there 25 minutes after the twins came down.

MIKee

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do tell...

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Rudy Giulianis Doomsday bunker, 15 million project, as well as housing high level Gov't offices of FBI, CIA, Secret Service. It was also the storage facility for millions of files pertaining to active cases involving international drug dealing, organized crime, terrorism and money laundering.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc7newspaper.htm

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For the 411.

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Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian and global intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11 attack was run by the highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus using WTC Building 7 as a command bunker which was later demolished in order to destroy the crime scene.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, Von Bülow said that "the official story is so wrong, it must be an inside job."

Von Bülow discussed the special software programs that allow the CIA to track suspicious stock market movements in real time. Record put options placed on United and American Airlines in the week before 9/11, a speculation that the stock would crash, clearly indicated inside foreknowledge of the impending attack.

"If the stock market has very strange movements immediately they take care of this and they had a lot of tapes and the lawyers told the people destroy these tapes."

"The Bush administration is in a deep defensive [mode] and probably they would like to come out with a new offensive," said Von Bülow as he considered whether a new staged false flag terror attack could be launched to further an interventionist agenda.

"I would hope that one 'new Pearl Harbor' is enough," said Von Bülow, "but I cannot be sure."

Von Bülow commented on the disputed identities of the named hijackers.

"The names of these nineteen [hijackers] never came up in the official passenger list, until now there's no proof they were on the planes."

Von Bülow also pointed out how the alleged hijacker's flight instructors told investigators that they couldn't even fly Cessna's, never mind complex large commercial airliners.

Von Bülow also touched upon the implausible collapse of the buildings.

"The towers came down in the velocity of free fall which is totally impossible, they fall down in 8, 9, or 10 seconds, the pancake theory is ridiculous," he said.

Von Bülow also highlighted the fact that there were 67 successful intercepts of errant aircraft in the year of 2001 before 9/11 and yet four planes were allowed to veer wildly off course without any being intercepted on that one day.

Rudolph Giuliani opened a $13 million emergency Command Center (pictured) on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 in June 1999 in part to respond to and manage terrorist attacks.

Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the "optimal place" to run the attacks using remote control technology to guide the planes in and then destroying the crime scene by imploding the building.

"There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second was the explosions," he said.

When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow said it must have been a "very small group" within the CIA with the help of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani secret service intelligence.

Von Bülow outlined his view that one reason for the execution of 9/11 was to provide the justification for US military bases in the near and Middle East to be built in anticipation for a future confrontation with China, whom the Neo-Cons believe have grown too powerful and need to have their geopolitical wings clipped.

Click here to listen to Von Bülow's interview.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm

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ALL THE 100 NEW PEOPLE WHO JUST JOINED THIS GROUP RECENTLY -- AND WELCOME TO ALL! --

SHOULD READ THIS THREAD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. STARTING WHERE I COME IN ALL BURSTING WITH NEWS THAT I JUST SAW A VIDEO THAT TOTALLY CONVINCED ME. THE DATE WAS APRIL 2, 2005; THE PLACE I SAW THAT VIDEO WAS AT A PUBLIC LIBRARY.

I HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE READING THIS, RESEARCH ALL THE INFO ON VIDEOS, ETC. THAT ARE IN THE LINKS AND IN THE ARCHIVED THREADS HERE. THE VIDEO IS CALLED "LOOSE CHANGE". FIND IT AND WATCH IT. THEN TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT.

REFERRING TO THAT SAME VIDEO, MY NEIGHBOR SAID: "I CAN MAKE A BELIEVER OUT OF ANYBODY IN 20 MINUTES." HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH ROB THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE THE OTHER, MOUNTING EVIDENCE; BUT, I DO TEND TO AGREE WITH ROB, THAT THE VIDEO AND THE FACTS ABOUT THE DEMOLITION OF WTC7, IS THE MOST POWERFUL AND UN-ANSWERABLE ARGUMENT, IF YOU HAD TO PICK JUST ONE.

PLEASE INVITE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS TO THIS GROUP; AND TO SEE THAT VIDEO, OR ONE OF MANY OTHERS.

WE DO HAVE SOME KARL-ROVE-AGENTS IN THIS GROUP, THAT WILL TRY TO CONFUSE YOU WITH DIS-INFORMATION. THEY WILL QUICKLY REVEAL THEMSELVES IF THEY DARE TO OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND REFUTE THIS EVIDENCE.

The Kean Report -- a TYPICAL BUSH MIS-ADMINISTRATION PIECE OF DIS-INFORMATION: DOES NOT EVEN MENTION WTC7. Just skips over it -- HOPING nobody will notice anything! Hey, Americans are THAT STOOPID, y'know???

FEMA says it is totally baffled as to why that building collapsed! Well, what can you expect........

Of course, ENGINEERS and even us lay people, WE DO KNOW, having SEEN THIS SORT OF THING MANY TIMES BEFORE............ WE KNOW......

Also, PLEASE LOOK AT THE SCHOLARS' PETITION [and sign it too!], in which scholars, professors, architects, engineers, military experts, technical publication journalists, physicists, and others WHO SHOULD KNOW, WHO BY THEIR PROFESSIONS ARE IN A POSITION TO KNOW, QUESTION the "Official Story" as TOTAL, BLITHERING NON-SCIENTIFIC NONSENSE. Fairy tales, "magic" and superstition and NOTHING ELSE.

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 A Care2 PetitionSite Petition:[The Scholar's Petition]:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172

 Also a Care2 PetitionSite Petition:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/736718529.

Please at least take a look at the petitions! and sign them if you agree there should be an investigation. Help the victims of the attacks, their families, firefighters and their families, NYPD and their families. They want the Truth to be told -- for the sake of their families, their memories. THE FAMILIES DO NOT WANT THEMSELVES TO BE USED AS A PART OF THE BUSHCO COVERUP!!!!!

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IGNORE, on the Scholars' Petition, sigs like those of "George W. Bush", and READ THE INFO UNDERNEATH THE PETITION. The Neo-Cons WANT YOU TO BE PUT OFF BY THE JOKERS; and DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE THE INFO THAT'S LISTED UNDERNEATH THE PETITION.

For MORE info on the Scholars' Petition and those who created and signed it, CLICK ON "Click Here for More Information" underneath the petition.

THIS IS WHAT THE BUSH MIS-ADMINISTRATION AND ITS HIRED MINIONS WANT YOU TO NOT LOOK AT, AT ALL COSTS!!!

Anyone who actually LOOKS, and says that the info is NOT convincing, must be BEING PAID FOR SAYING THAT. By guess who.

Please PASS ON THIS INFORMATION to anyone you can, in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines. Troops of OTHER COUNTRIES than America, as well. THIS WAR STARTED BECAUSE OF 9/11, USING IT AS AN EXCUSE, SHOULD HAVE NO SUPPORT FROM ANYONE IN ANY COUNTRY. So please tell ALL the troops, the TRUTH. The doubts, the skepticism, the LIES we, and THEY, were told. DEMOLISH THE LIES JUST LIKE THE THREE TOWERS WERE DEMOLISHED!!! KNOCK THE FOUNDATIONS OUT FROM UNDER 'EM!!!

B MUTINY T

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Was this building designed to fall neatly into its own footprints and very quickly?  If not, I don't see how it wasn't a demolition, and the other two buildings a demolition. 

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I found this article on Congress.org and thought I would pass it along;
Marsha

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U.S. Media and Government are covering up what really happened on 911!!
Wake UP AMERICA!! 
 
Recently Time magazine ran a article about what so called Conspiracy theorist are saying about 911 and what Time Considered as Fact, such as WTC 7 coming down by controlled Demolitian.Time magazine said that WTC 7 came down by a Fire that had burned for 10-12 hours when in fact Larry Silverstein Owner of WTC 7 said in a PBs Documentary that they were told to pull Building 7 which means controlled Demolitian.

In addition they claim that flight 93 over pennsylvania was overcome with "TERRORIST" which is untrue. Fact Col. Don De Grand Pre former pentagon insider, covers exactly what happened to flight 93 over Pennsylvania and knows the military Air Force pilot who shot it down you can read about it in his Factual Book "Barbarians Inside the Gates" which can be purchased from American Free Press @ www.americanfreepress.net. In addition their are several eye witnesses that said it looked as if a Missle hit the Pentagon in fact in the Documentary Film at www.reopen911.org they have footage on a Film of a CNN Reporter saying the morning of 911 it looked as if a missle hit the Pentagon. You can get a Free Copy of this Documentary at www.Reopen911.org it is titled "Confronting the evidence of 911"

The so-called "real conspiracy" is that some Arab pulled off the World's most devastating "TERRORIST" attack operating out of a cave some 7,000 miles away in Afghanistan and the World's most highly Technological Military couldn't Stop these so called Attack's on 911. The Reason the Media won't report the truth about 911 is because it is part of the problem and a Enemy of the American people all Owners of the Main stream Media in America are members of the "CFR" Council on Foreign Relations and their Goal is "World Government" a "NEW WORLD ORDER" and "TERRORISM" is how they are going to pull it off!!

Wake UP America!!

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911 Truth: What Happened to WTC Building 7

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1206588078

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Bobi, I noticed you didn't post a link - but I found it:

http://www.vermontguardian.com/commentary/032007/TwinTowers.shtml

and here are the last two paragraphs - your's got cut off by the character limit on posts..:

"...Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more.

The collapse of WTC building #7, which housed the offices of the CIA, the Secret Service, and the Department of Defense, among others, was omitted from the government’s 9/11 Commission Report, and its collapse has yet to be investigated.
Perhaps it is time for these and other unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 to be thoroughly investigated. Let’s start by contacting our congressional delegation.

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses."

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I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but it's worth looking at again if it has.

You need to see this and make your own questions..

www.youtube.com/v/Z9b4D-aO3zY"

This post was modified from its original form on 12 Mar, 18:06

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To:  The British Broadcasting Corporation

So Mr. Richard Porter of the BBC wants the whole 'BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell' scandal (and believe me, it IS a scandal even if you don't see it on the evening news) to just go away. The BBC is under the impression that knocking down a couple of straw-men and proclaiming 'nothing to see here folks' is going make us all just forget the monumental 'cock up' which is the BBCs attempt at damage control. The BBC is also under the impression that it is only a few 'lone nuts' out there hammering the YouTube and Google Video counts and that this story is going to lose all it's steam by next week.

Well Mr. Richard Porter. This is where you are so very wrong...

We the Undersigned formally demand the following information from the BBC.

1. Who was the source who told your station that the Salomon Building had collapsed?

2. Who from the BBC ordered YouTube and GoogleVideo to immediately start pulling the videos from their sites the day this story broke?

3. Who from the BBC ordered Archive.Org to block and then remove their copies of the footage which (until this story broke) were freely available online?

4. Who is responsible for and what were the circumstances surrounding the 'cock-up' which led to the loss of BBC World News' 9/11 footage?

5. Who cut reporter Jane Standley's live feed from NYC at 5:18pm (EST) on 11/09/01?

Until you answer these 5 questions IN FULL, you can expect the BBC's phones to be ringing daily with people asking these 5 questions over and over until they are answered.

Take a good look at the number of signatures here Mr Porter. These are the people who are demanding these answers and these are the people who WON'T go away.

Welcome to the Digital Age Mr. Richard Porter. You're either a news outlet or a supermarket tabloid. Which is it?

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

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Hi I am new to this group. I almost wonder if the Bush administration cut Rudy Guiliani a deal with 9/11.

For example maybe they told him they would help make him president......he is running now and it kind of scares me to think about it.

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While going back through this thread, since it was started in 2005, I noticed that the latest posts on here are from people who are truly concerned that Guiliani is a dangerous character that has used 9/11 for political advantage.  That seems to be the genuine concern for the recent folks who have posted to this thread, and I don't blame them. 

For the most recent information on how "real observers" saw firsthand Guiliani's "behavior" on 9/11, go to the thread that was just started recently, within the past couple of days, depicting a video made by AFL-CIO firefighters who witnessed his strange behavior before, during, and after 9/11, and see what they have to think about "America's Mayor," so to speak. 

For those who have come to his defense here, I must say that to have been present during this day must have been a very overwhelming experience, and the comment depicted here as to what was "under" building 7, gold, leads me to another point in chief that I have also seen in videos from physicists such as Steven Jones, from Brigham Young University.  Since the real "physical evidence" was carted off so quickly after 9/11, and since Building 7 was definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, demolished in a controlled demolition on 9/11 and was not struck by a plane, and since it has been established that Rudy Guiliani was more than aware that the twin towers were going to collapse minutes before they did and had made his way to safe haven before that time (while those victims in the twin towers were not given the chance to evacuate or urged to evacuate, but the people in Buildings 6 and 7 were evacuated right after the first tower was hit), I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with those who fear Guiliani, that his motive for not warning those victims sufficiently was not an act of bravery on his part, but cowardice.  Buildings 5 and 6 were damaged severely by fire, as well as they were closer to the twin towers than was Building 7, so what was "under" Building 7 has little significance to the overall scheme of things, that is, if we are to look at it from a perspective of "human lives."  When "gold" becomes more important (material things, such as "financial matters to large financial corporations") than "human lives," then we are in more trouble than we suspected that we were, to begin with, with false leaders, such as Guiliani. 

Found under Building 7, by the same token, which was also found under the twin towers, 8 weeks after the incident of 9/11, were temperatures that were so hot still, that crews working the wreckage (steel beams that had been sheared in 30-foot sections, mind you, so that they could be neatly stacked on trucks and hauled off to be shipped over to China with no investigation whatsoever) could not come into contact with because of the extreme heat under ground level; total destruction of material evidence under the buildings.  These "explosions by controlled demolitions" were caused by the evidence of "thermite or thermate found underneath all three of these buildings," a well-known explosive agent that causes temperatures high enough to melt metal and continues to burn for weeks afterwards.  Those traces of thermite and thermate were found "under all three buildings, Building 1, 2 and 7."  This evidence was brought to light by Professor Steven Jones and is well documented, as well. 

Guiliani may try to get away with many more things, if the real experts and eye witnesses do not put a stop to his shenannigans, of which they are really serious about doing, and that is to expose him for what he really is.  We do not care about what was found under Building 7, at the underground level, except for the thermite and thermate traces (particles) that were salvaged by those who really care to bring out the TRUTH of the attacks and bring out the truth as to who the real perpetrators were.  To deny the fact that all three buildings were brought down with controlled demolition is to live in a never-ending delusion that this whole thing was not an inside job.  There's too much evidence to the contrary, even though the guilty parties would like us to believe otherwise.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/11/firefighters-go-after-rudy-giuliani-with-new-video/

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Never hit by a plane

52 min 31 sec - Aug 1, 2007
Description: A documentary filled with facts, evidence, video clips, news clips, pictures, music, witness and expert testimony on the events of 9/11 pertaining to WTC-7, also known as The Solomon Brothers Building.

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9/11: Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko on WTC 7

Jowenko never heard of the collapse of WTC 7. His reaction on the images is uninhibited.

He still stands by his opinion.

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