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 The Pentagon April 04, 2005 11:45 AM

This folder is for any information or thoughts pertaining to the attacks{percieved or real} on the pentagon.  [ send green star]
 
The Pentagon, Where the real questions start. April 04, 2005 11:46 AM

This a a very telling piece of the puzzle. I have only included paragraphs that raise some serious questions not only about the Pentagon, but also about the WTC buildings. Please follow the link, read the whole article, and veiw all of the photos. There is also a follow up report on this page. The information here is much more substantialand stark than anything on the WTC. From Deception to Revelation Part I An Analysis of the Attack of the Pentagon By Dave vonKleist Introduction The events of September 11, 2001 are undeniably and inarguably the most significant acts of terrorism and aggression ever perpetrated against this country. It is indisputable that the three destructive occurrences at the World Trade Center's north tower, south tower and the Pentagon, were well-planned, orchestrated and coordinated events and are inescapably tied to one another. It is safe to say that the guilty parties would do anything to remain cloaked in secrecy and will create "rabbit trails" to divert attention away from significant information as they attempt to cover-up and obfuscate any data that would lead to their discovery. Additionally, those guilty would of course make every attempt to discredit or otherwise destroy the credibility of anyone who might raise revealing questions. To expose one of these entities involved in this deception would be a most significant and vital clue that could reveal the perpetrators of these events. The term "conspiracy theory" consists of two words, the active word being "theory". By definition, a theory is a concept, an idea, a proposal, a supposition. Example: "In theory, if I purchase a raffle ticket, I could win the prize." However, once the first ticket is purchased, winning is no longer a theory, but rather a possibility. The more tickets that are purchased, the more possible and eventually probable the win becomes. The same can be said about a conspiracy theory. As long as there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory, it remains a theory. Once however there is one piece of evidence to support the theory, no matter how flimsy or circumstantial it may be, the conspiracy is no longer a theory, but a possibility! And the more evidence there is that is gathered, the more possible and eventually probable the conspiracy becomes. There is no disputing that an explosive event large enough to demolish a portion of the Pentagon occurred on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. For argument sake, let's take the approach of a police investigator or a detective as we begin to attempt to solve this crime. Using this perspective, we will only deal with known facts and the available photographic evidence to determine the validity of the reports and explanations of media and government officials. Photo #6 is a vital piece of this puzzle. There have been hundreds of photos from this angle of the gaping hole in the Pentagon, but this one was chosen for two reasons. First, it was scanned from one of the countless publications by Time, Newsweek, People, and others, to commemorate the event because of the caption. The final sentence reads: "The jagged wound cut through three of the buildings five rings, trapping hundreds of people." On reviewing the first three pictures, one can easily see that only one of the buildings rings was penetrated. To make the next and possibly the most important point of this report, let us recall the other events that happened earlier that day. At 8:45 AM EST, American flight #11 slammed into the North Tower at the World Trade Center. The resulting fireball was so huge and so hot, that as reported, it melted and fatigued the supporting steel girders to the point that the building collapsed. At 9:03 AM EST, United flight #175 slammed into the South Tower at the World Trade Center. The resulting fireball was so huge and so hot, that as reported, it melted and fatigued the supporting steel girders to the point that the building collapsed. At 9:40 AM, EST, American flight #77 reportedly slammed into the Pentagon. All three of these planes had embarked on a trans-continental flight and carried approximately 8,600 remaining gallons of fuel at the time of their respective impacts. The first two crashes caused intense fires hot enough to melt steel. Now look very closely at photo #6. Notice the left side of the hole and note that the walls of the interior are not only unblemished, but show no signs of soot, smoke or heat damage. On the upper floor, to the left of one of the support columns, one can plainly see a green file cabinet with a computer monitor or TV on top of it. Two floors below one can plainly see a wooden stool with an open book on top of it. Are we to believe that a plane with 8,600 gallons of fuel would not generate a fireball and enough heat to singe the pages of an open book only feet away? or to melt the plastic case of a monitor?  [ send green star]
 
What hit the Pentagon? April 04, 2005 12:10 PM

The best witness testimony seems to indicate that it was a small plane - commuter type.  The plane was probably a remote controlled drone. 

The fireball was external to the building as is obvious by the pictures showing items untouched - book on a chair, file cabinet, etc. 

One theory (that is my pet theory) is that a laser weapon was fired at the drone and that is what actually damaged the pentagon - the clean hole labeled 'punch-out' by the firemen seems to support that IMHO. 

Here is a picture of it

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

You can also do a search on 'directed energy weapons'.  Our government has technologies that we have no idea even existed. 

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Did Rumsfeld tell us what hit the Pentigon? July 01, 2005 7:09 AM

Here is some information that I hadn't read before. This excerpt is from an interview posted on the DoD website. Presenter: Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld Friday, Oct. 12, 2001 Secretary Rumsfeld Interview with Parade Magazine (Interview with Lyric Wallwork Winik, Parade Magazine) Rumsfeld: There were lots of warnings. The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find. And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues. They [find a lot] and any number of terrorist efforts have been dissuaded, deterred or stopped by good intelligence gathering and good preventive work. It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever t hey are, and dealing with them.  [ send green star]
 
anonymous  August 22, 2005 11:59 PM

This is what i have a gut feeling hit the Pentagon

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=175

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Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta September 16, 2005 11:24 AM

Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders

15 Sep 2005

A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday. The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to identify the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.

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What Hit The Pentagon, a Missile? Was DU Used? October 11, 2005 5:50 PM

Was Pentagon Hit by Missile - Was DU Used? October 02, 2005 11:54 PM
Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicate Depleted Uranium Used; High-Ranking Army Officer Claims Missile Used at Pentagon, Not Commercial Airliner
Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.
18 Aug 2005

By Greg Szymanski

 

A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military’s depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31824.htm

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not sure about du October 11, 2005 9:58 PM

I am not sure if they hit the Pentagon with our own hardware but could believe they had prior knowledge and looked the other way..of course the U.S of A. HAS ALWAYS,presented a flag waving event to bang the drums of war,lusitania,the Maine...the list goes on.  [ send green star]
 
Good Sites on the Pentagon - What was it? October 11, 2005 10:05 PM

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/index.html

INTRODUCTION

Why investigate 9/11? The simple answer is because the current administration has failed to do so. The official investigation has been handled poorly by any standards. I understand that lives have been changed by these events and intend nothing but respect for the passengers and crew of Flight 77, the Pentagon workers and their families. It is my goal to present as much observational information as possible to assist in the process of determining what happened that day. Realize that the Pentagon could release 60 seconds of video from a multitude of surveillance cameras and put this to rest in one news broadcast. No more speculation or conspiracy theories, but most of all, closure for the families. It is the administration's choice not to provide American citizens with the complete facts.

The information on this website will mostly be represented in photographs and documented quotes. I've attempted to determine the time and location of events on the Pentagon grounds. I have also done my best to identify the photographers for each photo. On the Scene Map page you will see a location guide to important elements of the incident. There will be a few photos here some people haven't seen before. For my photo use policy you can check the Photo Use page.

I will warn you in advance that I will appear to contradict myself, or more accurately the evidence will contradict itself. I will present alternative points-of-view to my own conclusions. I can assure you my disposition is to understand the evidence as it is. It would be a relief to have all of my questions answered and to understand this. On the other hand, I believe there is much more to this incident than a terrorist attack on our nation with no other factors involved. Keep in mind that my goal is to provide a tool that other researchers can use and evolve into a more comprehensive picture when all is said and done.

To be honest with you, I myself am confused by what I see. You will see plenty of evidence to support the official story. You will also see many anomalies that make it difficult to believe the official story. I've tried to present both fairly. Hopefully the questions raised here will produce answers or stimulate you to continue your own research. If you read this and have insights, new information, or photos of your own that can assist in the investigation, I encourage you to share them. If you can prove something here that I've missed like what caused the exit hole, I'll post your article on that page and give you credit or leave you anonymous depending on your wishes.

Sometimes in a chaotic circumstance it's best to think of how the events might have unfolded. This story could have been a news article about a terrorist plot that was thwarted by Intelligence. Then it could have been the capture of several of the 19 alleged hijackers on four separate flights at three different international airports. Or it could have been an interception of the aircraft by NORAD (Flight 93 is the only plane that didn't make its target). After the fact, there should have been an immediate investigation into all four events in a public forum. Every detail of what happened would have been forensically determined and publicized without any threat to national security. Then all of the lessons could be implemented to protect future generations from similar tragedy.

In reality there was no government intervention prior to the attacks. There are no NTSB, FAA, or FBI accident reports on any of the four planes. The 9/11 Commission was delayed over 2 years and the evidence from WTC and the Pentagon was mostly destroyed prior to the reports that do exist. Nobody has been held accountable and Osama Bin Laden is still at large. What we did get are volumes of new laws that violate our Constitutional rights and the invasion of two countries with over 1500 additional Americans killed and thousands more injured. How did this happen?

This is where I begin my piece of the investigation. I've decided to focus strictly on the Pentagon attack. There are many great sites out there that look into the various aspects of 9/11. You will find a few throughout this site (all links on this site will open in a separate window). We'll start with the Boeing 757-200, look at the Pentagon's structure in the impact area, and venture above Washington D.C. to analyze the attack path. After that we'll look at the the photographic evidence on the ground and follow the debris trail to the exit hole. For people new to this subject it may be useful to go through this site sequentially.

The information on this site will change and be updated as new information is available. I apologize to those with slower internet connections. On the sidebar pages I have left the photos large to allow for the best inspection possible.


http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm

http://reopen911.org/index.htm#Pentagon

These are absolutely fantastastic photos and opinions from conservatives and liberals, alike.  The 9/11 pill gets harder and harder to swallow, all the time.

One last site:

http://reopen911.org/BushRepubs.htm

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anonymous  November 14, 2005 10:42 PM

I thought it was common knowledge that it was a Globalhawk that hit the Pentagon, An expendible remote control plane close to same size as what they clain did hit the Pentagon. But what do i know

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/global_hawk.htm

Look to the right on this link for pics and stats on this vehicle

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anonymous  November 19, 2005 1:08 AM

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=3595&pst=347800

Group thread with all the photos

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Chuckle April 30, 2006 5:42 PM

Cinnamon Stillwell wrote in the San Fransisco Chronicle that the "whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into the....Pentagon." Days later the Chronicle published this correction: 

Cinnamon Stillwell's column Wednesday on SFGate originally stated that images of the plane that struck the Pentagon had been seen by the American public. No such images have been made public. (4/19)

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Thanks for Joining Up Douglass - I Knew You Would Come Through April 30, 2006 6:12 PM

Thanks for joining us here, Douglass; I knew you would come through on this subject. 

Eva

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The Post Made About the Possible DU Attack on the Pentagon April 30, 2006 6:33 PM

I deleted the repetiousnous of my post on the possible DU used at the Pentagon.  In checking the link to the post, I noticed, also, that the link is now inactive, for the rest of the story.  If this offends anyone or they think that the article is not credible enough based on the inactive link, please let me know.  I'll be happy to comply with freeing up the space on it.

Eva

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passenger list and Social Security May 18, 2006 7:11 AM

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=5939&pst=479197

Comparison of Flight 77 passenger list to Social Security death records.  As of last night, of the 59 passengers and crew listed at CNN and PBS, I had found Social Security Death Records for only 16.

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German Video on Pentagon August 21, 2006 6:44 AM

Even though one may not speak German, the video is worth a thousand words.

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUuzbHAXWZk&mode=related&search=

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anonymous Where's The Plane? August 22, 2006 12:43 AM

If you look at the pictures of the Pentagon right after the "crash" you will notice that there is no plane? What happened to the plane? This site shows many pictures of the Pentagon and also questions the theory that Flight 77 actually crashed into it.

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

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My opinion... August 26, 2006 11:10 AM

last year I was a chaperone on my son's class trip to Washington DC. We drove past the pentagon and the area was pointed out where the Boing 757 was supposed to have hit. 

here is the flight path so in the above pic the line is wrong,, 

(I borrowed this photo from another thread to show the highway we were on.) 

I am admittedly not an expert on aeronautics. But having done lots of flying in the 70's as well as watching planes land and take off for fun I think I have a valid opinion.

There is no way, IMO, and from having been there to see this area, that a 757 crashed that low into the Pentagon without massive damage to all the surrounding areas.

It couldn't have happend the way it was supposed to have. Go there have a look around. If you don't know what a jumbo jet looks like, find one. Then objectively think about it. There is really only one conclusion.

And what is very disturbing is the unanswered question, what happened to the plane and all the passengers?

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 September 03, 2006 9:40 PM

The main problem (and i have studied this in detail for years)
is that the generator in front of the building was 12-15ft tall.
the damage was dont to the bottom floor, BEHIND the generator !
doesnt make sense.
2nd point is that the nose of the plane, would have been between the first and second floors, top of the fulselage 1/2 way to the 3rd floor.
there was no damage to the second floor, except a 16ft hole.
this, is leaving out the tail, which should have hit MUCH higher.
but, no tail, no damage from the tail.
the wings also could not have hit the bottom floor, there were cable spools that were several feet tall.
In order for the fuselage to clear those spools, the plane would have had to be well off the ground, but the damage is all at the bottom floor.
This was my first impression, and it hasnt changed over the years.


some people may use snopes or other references to say  a 757 did.
I debunk Snopes here...
Response to snopes pentagon "rumor" urban legend 9/11

Here is my main pentagon page.
Pentagon 9/11 photo and video theories and analysis

usefull info
Pentagon Attack 9-11 review

there was a trailer in front of the building right where the damage was done.
were there explosives in it ? (my theory)
9/11 Pentagon debris missile? or contractors trailer

hI-res photos of the area. can you find any debris ?
where did the 757 go ?

september 11 Pentagon photos

Pentagon 911 closeups of the wall and reels
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 September 04, 2006 3:44 AM

I go past Boeing Field a lot, and know what a 747 looks like and how HUGE it is when sitting on the ground. Also, I live below a flight path for airplanes and, even way, way up in the air, they make a BIG NOISE!

A low-flying plane would have made a DEAFENING ROAR for miles around -- nobody reported such a ROAR! A jet engine is one of the loudest sounds there IS! The blast from the plane would have KNOCKED CARS RIGHT OFF THE ROAD -- not merely sheared a few light poles as they said it did!

Recently there were two plane crashes covered in the media, one in Russia -- AND YOU COULD SEE THE PLANE WRECKAGE AFTERWARDS, tho the planes were COMPLETELY destroyed!

Yeah, WHERE IS THE PLANE THAT SUPPOSEDLY HIT THE PENTAGON? It "disappeared" just like the planes that hit the Twin Towers -- WITHOUT A TRACE!!! Into thin air! If it ever existed at all! {There are NO pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon! NONE! Not a single one! and Security Cameras are trained on that building from several angles day and night!} {All photos from the Security Cameras were confiscated by the FBI within MINUTES of the "hit" -- AS IF THEY HAD BEEN READY AND WAITING FOR THEM.} The lawn in front of the Pentagon is as green as a golf course -- WITH NO SCORCH MARKS. Again, COMPARE with the photos from the two recent plane crashes -- or ANY OTHER plane crash!

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 September 04, 2006 11:56 AM

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What hit the Pentagon September 29, 2006 8:09 AM

Here's what I think hit it.

TOMAHAWK MISSILE

 

 

Tomahawk Land Attack Missle (TLAM) (Cruise Missle) flying through the air

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reply September 29, 2006 12:40 PM

Ok as far as the pentagon anything is possible as everyone was focused on WTC so who knows except the person/s responsible, as far as planes in the WTC there are pictures circulating of part of a plane on tower 5 that raises alot of questions. Also since the planes were so far off course and one downed in a field, it makes me wonder where it was destined for and what bldg 7 had to do with any of it? Just a few questions I have no concrete theories just alot of questions and am only seeking answers to what happened to the flights that killed so many on that heartbreaking day.  [ send green star]
 
Y'all got a bunch of suspicious minds... September 29, 2006 2:35 PM

...and that is what I love about you.

If one googles "operation northwoods" and discovers what our own government proposed to do in 1962 to US citizens to justify mucking about militarily in a place without any petroleum like Cuba, just imagine what they would do to justify sending troops to the middle east?

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 September 29, 2006 6:51 PM

We don't have to imagine, we've seen their methodical mis-management & evil intent!  [ send green star]
 
Interesting Video just released December 02, 2006 12:57 PM

I was just watching CNN headline news. A hotel accross from the Pentagon caught the explosion...not the plane...on tape. The tape was confiscated in 2002. A court order has released it. I replayed in on my DVR about 20 times. I don't think there was sound, but there was no clear picture of a plane either...some movement, but it was much slower than the traffic going by that was caught on the tape as well. The initial reports said the plane was traveling at a high rate of speed...not confirmed by this video. I apologize i don't have a link...i could not find one yet online.  [ send green star]
 
 December 02, 2006 1:17 PM

There's a lesson here for all of us: if you've got something on tape, DON'T hand it over to "the authorities" like a sheep; HANG ON TO IT FOR A FEW YEARS AND DON'T LET ANYONE KNOW YOU HAVE IT.

Then, if and when there are inquiries.........THAT'S the time to let the world know!

I hope that some people took home movies, etc., AND ARE HANGING ONTO THEM UNTIL IT IS SAFE TO RELEASE THEM and the govt. CAN'T grab them for a coverup! If such things do exist, IT WOULD BE AS MUCH AS A PERSON'S LIFE WAS WORTH, to let it be known PREMATURELY what they had! These perpeTRAITORS are MUCH MORE RUTHLESS AND COLD-BLOODED THAN THE MAFIA -- AND MUCH MORE POWERFUL!

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 January 06, 2007 5:56 AM

Ok so now that we pretty much realize the facts of the pentagon and what DID & DID NOT happen...  I'd like to know what really happened to the people that were on the plane???

It's clear that no plane hit the pentagon that we know from video and pics., the possibility the damage to the pentagon was caused by a plane that size & shape has been proven wrong just with common sense alone!  So my concern now is what happened to all the people who were reported to be on that infamous flight?  This is really what bothers me now afterwards, because as with Flight 93 there were actual human lives on Flight 77... Now that we are aware that the Pentagon really couldn't have been hit by such a large plane etc., then what really did happen to all the people if they were not actually killed?

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T.W. January 06, 2007 1:20 PM

They were killed.

That is, unless they were "agents" who were "in on the plot". Some of them may have been. In which case, they are in hiding now -- and for the rest of their lives.

But it is doubtful if many of them, or any of them, were "agents" in on the plot.

The planes that left the airport were less than half full -- which is very unusual for that hour of commuter flights. I think that those on Flight 93 {was it?} were transferred from another flight!

It is a VERY GOOD QUESTION to ask, what ACTUALLY happened to the plane and the passengers? It is certain, that a plane DID LEAVE THE AIRPORT. And vanished into thin air! But, planes DON'T "vanish" like that!!!

Obviously, HUGE PAINS MUST BE TAKEN TO HIDE THE PLANE, AND THE CORPSES OF THE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO HAD BEEN ABOARD THAT PLANE. IF THE REMAINS OF THAT PLANE AND THOSE BODIES WERE EVER FOUND, IT WOULD BE HARD EVIDENCE OF A MURDER CONSPIRACY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT -- HARD EVIDENCE THAT WOULD PROVE CONCLUSIVE IN AN INTERNATIONAL COURT OF LAW, HARD EVIDENCE THAT COULD NOT BE DENIED OR DISPUTED.

The perpetraitors responsible, would make EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE to HIDE THE PLANE, AND TO REMOVE ANY WITNESSES OR POSSIBLE FUTURE WHISTLE-BLOWERS. The Mafia does no less, with its criminal activities! These guys are ruthless enough, one or a dozen or a hundred more bodies make no difference to them in achieving their goals!!!

Your Government is NOT protecting you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some ideas of what may have actually happened to the plane and the bodies, are, it could be in the deep ocean somewhere. Like the Titanic, it could be found, but only if you knew approximately where to look. Also, did anything unusual show up on the Radar Screens of countries monitoring International Waters on 9/11??? This can be researched.

[The plane would have to be "disappeared" on 9/11 itself -- too risky to keep it around any longer!]

Another thought has been, it could be hidden on an Air Force base somewhere. But, too many people would have to know -- too many people in the Military, which does have Honorable Men and Women in it!

A Boeing 757 is HUGE  -- I KNOW, I live somewhat near Boeing Field, and have SEEN them on the ground! NOT EASY TO HIDE, I can tell you! REALLY, REALLY BIG!

Another thought is, hidden on land owned by one of the perpetraitors. If buried, the plane could be still spotted from the air!!! Aerial surveillance has found the outlines of ancient villages, Roman forts, even medieval farm fields, from ground disturbances visible only from the air! {See National Geographic or Archeology magazine for vivid examples of this!} Again, as with the Titanic in the water, you would have to know where to start looking.

You raise good questions; and as long as people keep asking 'em, THIS ISSUE WILL NOT LIE DOWN AND DIE, WILL NOT GO AWAY.

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 January 07, 2007 4:26 AM

Now days it's getting a bit easier to find out what the govt. doesn't want us to know... but the enormous amount of individual problems in our world keeps people at bay, confused or over-whelmed with so many issues... I believe this is planned by the people running the govt., and our world...

The more fear they install in people the easier for them to control them..  I have no doubt that the people on both Flights 77 & 93 are dead... but the proof of their deaths is not so evident..  These 2 stories are just too fishy!  Too many people to just forget.  Both the Pentagon & Shanksville crash sites appear to be something other than airplane crashes, the shapes, depths, colors and so on just don't fit with a plane crash, too much just doesn't fit together.

My theory is that all these people died, but not on the planes that supposedly crashed into the "said" sites.. If killing so many at the WTC & with the planned demolition of all those bldgs., didn't affect our govt. conscience than why would the murder of several more people on Flights 77 & 93 bother them?  We cannot honestly believe that any "terrorists" (including our govt.) are too damn selfish, cold and evil to feel anything as they slaughter innocent people.

This is an extremely scarey thought, but for these sick, power hungry, control freaks eliminating life/lives is totally worth the after effects... which is of course, WAR!!!  My point is that there is no limit for these sicko's... "they" think they are above the law and can get away with anything, including mass murder in our own country to insight a war.. 

Pretty much all through history you can see where the evil doer's have caused fear, terrorizing people all over the world by some tragedy or disaster, just to get people so afraid for their lives that they give up their rights just to be protected!  All the while "they" are justifying the beginning of a war... Insighting FEAR will manipulate almost anyone to believe in and stand by a govt. promising to protect them, if they are terrorized enough... Hence, 9/11, the WTC, the Pentagon and Shanksville...  All planned out months in advance just for the purpose of justifying the war we are in now.

We probably will never know the whole truth, or if we do ever learn the truth it will be years & years before it is revealed.  Just as history has repeatedly proven to us in time.  Whether it be Hitler, the assination of JFK, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy and so on...

Never trust the govt., only trust God, His power and the strength you have inside yourself.  Just use common sense and open your eyes to the questions concerning the entire 9/11 controversy.  It bothers me that just IF all the people on those 2 flights did not parish in plane crashes as told to us, what horrifying experiences did they go through before their deaths and exactly who and how many has the blood of all the innocent people who died on 9/11?

Its a bit mind boggling to say the least, many people mostly elders do not want to believe any of this, maybe they are too scared to even conceive the idea of a corrupt govt.?  However, it's obvious many, many people are waking up, opening their eyes & minds to actually see the cover ups, conspiracies & massacres done by the people who run this country and supposedly are protecting us and our freedoms!

Thanks for replying to me on this post, even tho it's tough to believe that there are people in our country who are terrorists themselves, who could actually plan and carry out such a tragedy of mass murder on 9/11, possibly having to personally kill the passengers, flight crew etc.,  from flights 77 & 93 to eliminate witnesses or whatever?  But once you research and learn of all the inconsistancies around 9/11, the BS...  it becomes much clearer that we just may be living in a country already of hidden Dictatorship... Now that is frightening!

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The Pentagon January 07, 2007 4:17 PM

TW, I agree with what you are saying about the passengers and what really happened to them...that has always bothered me as well, especially when i try to imagine the anguish the families felt & are still feeling. Its very hard to wrap my mind around the fact that the government may have made them "disappear"...makes one feel unsafe to live here. . PS- I'm fairly new, but I do read many of the posts here to educate myself; very informative! Thank you everyone.  [ send green star]
 
 January 07, 2007 4:37 PM

TW, the Dictator isn't hidden, he's constantly taunting Congress to just try & stop him! He recently added opening private mail to his privileges.. He made fun of prisoners he executed as Gov. of Texas! Why would he care about "nobodies" anyway? He's INSANE!

See:

You’ve got mail
By: Steve @ 6:00 AM - PST   Submit or Digg this Post

Ah, those pesky signing statements. You just never know what White House lawyers will quietly put in there.

President Bush has quietly claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans’ mail without a judge’s warrant, the Daily News has learned.

The President asserted his new authority when he signed a postal reform bill into law on Dec. 20. Bush then issued a “signing statement” that declared his right to open people’s mail under emergency conditions.

That claim is contrary to existing law and contradicted the bill he had just signed, say experts who have reviewed it.

The closer one looks at the signing statement, the worse it looks.

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TW January 07, 2007 5:10 PM

It is just my theory, mind you, but I think the passengers on those flights that "disappeared" were gassed within minutes of the flights' takeoff. They probably felt or knew NOTHING. There is a controlled supply of air on a plane, so it would have been EASY; none of them expected any trouble, there would have been no resistance, no time for resistance. They just would've "gone to sleep", the children first. If that makes anyone feel any better.

The passengers were TRANSFERRED at the airport, from the flights they had signed up for, to these special flights. These airplanes had been prepared in advance, with the gas supply, flight plan to the location of "disappearance", etc.  The pilots would have suspected nothing, taken off from the airport routinely, then have been killed by some quick and silent means and the planes taken over by new pilots and the passengers then gassed. What happened to the new pilots? were they killed too, to keep silent? did they bail out? were the planes on automatic pilot for the end of the flight, on land or ocean? were the new pilots DECEIVED into thinking they were going to survive the flight? {This latter is my theory -- that they were slated to be killed to keep the secret, but were not told that.}

The supposed "phone conversations" were broadcast from A RADIO STATION IN THE MIDWEST, which has been identified in some 9/11 Truth documents. There is now the technology to CHANGE PEOPLE'S VOICES, so that it was ACTORS SPEAKING INTO MICROPHONES -- as in that Woody Allen movie about radio soap operas, "Radio Days"! -- who were reading LINES FROM A SCRIPT. Given the technology of the time, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR CALLS THAT HIGH UP IN THE AIR, TO BE RECEIVED ON THE GROUND. It was designed to present a heart-wrenching scenario for the listeners, just like the old radio dramas I am old enough to remember.

A real giveaway, should have been that guy who called his MOTHER, saying, "Hi, Mom, this is your SON, John Smith"! Does ANYONE call up their mother that way????? Do I call up my SISTER and say, Hi, this is your SISTER, Barbara Tomlinson -- in case my sister has forgotten my first and last name, not to mention forgotten the sound of my voice????? Also, the passengers don't sound very panicked, but calm. And so on and so forth.

I really think we should be thinking about where those planes and bodies are, whether in the deep sea or on land. What suspects own land where? Or, did anyone at sea, at borders or ports or radar stations, observe strange aircraft on 9/11 where they weren't supposed to be? A 757 is REALLY, REALLY BIG and makes A LOT OF NOISE. {I can hear one flying overhead RIGHT NOW EVEN AS I TYPE THIS. It is a COMMON OCCURRENCE as I live right under a FLIGHT PATH.} Where were the REAL 757's that were not on their usual flight paths?

Finding the CORPUS DELICTI would go a LONG WAYS towards NAILING THE CRIMINALS and CONVICTING them in an INTERNATIONAL COURT. And, yes, TW, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE SUCH A COURT, SUCH A TRUE IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATION, IN OUR LIFETIMES.

At least, if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 January 07, 2007 5:38 PM

Those phone messages were a really suspicious point to me too. I thought the dude giving both first & last name was an attempt at a code.. like saying "Dammit Mom, I'm being held hostage so HELP!!"  

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 January 08, 2007 4:19 AM

I totally agree with the suspicious cell phone calls, as I knew that it was not likely that anyone could make a call from as high up as the airplanes were, that came out quickly.. as did the guy who called his mom... so did they silience these family members etc., who were supposedly called as well?  I know if I was family and received a call like that one, I'd be complaining, raising questions that I demand to be answered..  So I'm sure these people if not fooled by the so-called calls from panic'd passengers about to die, also must be subjected to a lot of Govt. BS!! 

Bush is a whack job, there is no doubt in my mind... even tho I've participated in many "Impeach Bush" and other petitions etc., in my mind I somehow realize that No one really gives a damn... the dude cannot run again for president, his terms are up next year, so he sure as hell doesn't care what happens to the world, to our Nation and least of all what happens to us!  I certainly do not like the way he manipulates the constitution, the Statutes, Rules and Laws of our country JUST to serve his purposes.. as he thinks he is above the law and he is the Dictator..

Of course I know it isn't so hidden to us who are aware of what is behind GW's intentions... but for a mass majority, who are blind and/or just ignorant to the truth & facts of his "dictatorship"   (actually I believe many people are just to afraid to allow themselves to believe that our own Govt. would betray and do us the way they are.)  in reality, our country has been being "dictated" over for generations already... they just disguise it as "Concern for the Country etc."  and then they encourage us to vote ... for what reason do we have to even trust our voting rights?  Hell, for all we know "they" could've and probably have rigged the elections for years and years, letting us believe that we actually have a say in the elections??  

Anymore guys & gals, I just do not believe or have any trust in our Govt. and the people who are running it... and I've felt this way for awhile now... ESPECIALLY after 9/11...  where some people are willing to allow such invasions and destructions of their Constitutional Rights, just so our Govt. can protect us from so-called "terrorists" these ppl have been manipulated by media and so on to believing they need to let the Govt do what they need to do in order to protect them and their families..  To create intense FEAR is the best way to control and dominate over large groups of people, just so they can do their dirty work, such as the terrifying war that we are now in.

Changing the subject a bit and returning to my concerns for the many lives that were on those 2 flights 77 & 93..  thank you for sharing your idea of the gassing of these innocent lives .. it somehow seems less grusome to me anyway, but it still isn't easy for me to accept even the silient murder of so many on that infamous day of 9/11...  No matter how much I try I just cannot accept or keep quiet about the facts, what I honestly believe in my heart & mind....  Our Govt. leaders "planned & executed" the TERRORIZING OF AMERICANS on 9/11... THEY condemned everyone on those airplanes and at the WTC to death... Knowing they'd massacre people of different nationalities, races, ages, genders, status and more...  Our Govt. US just to "justify" this war... which now terrorizes another country, and where will it stop?  When will it stop?  It's so ridiculous that our country "terrorizes" to teach or show others that "terrorizing" is not tolerated?  That crap doesn't sound "politically correct" to me at all!

So now I ask, what can we do?  How can we really make a difference and change this?  There are so many wrong doings in so many areas of importance in our country, where do we start?  We are the PEOPLE of this great nation, a nation buildt under God... I believe that we can take back our country again with God's help.. the more & more ppl who become aware of all the BS conspiracies and cover-ups, does indeed give me hope, but for our children and their childrens sake, we really need to start taking more action or at least trying?

We are stronger in numbers and we can do this... just get mad and determined to make a change for the bettering of our country and for all who live here!  For me, inside this group it gives me strong hope... it is so much easier to fight a battle that you are not alone in... what is really great to know is that I'm not crazy, I'm not the only one who sees, hears and feels the chaos, manipulation and certain deteriation of our country and the freedom/liberties we have always had here.

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 January 08, 2007 11:34 AM

It is time to push back. We've elected a new congress & they must be monitored & continuously Reminded of WHY we elected them - to stop Bu$h & get us out of Iraq! They must DO what needs to be done FOR the citizens & UNDO the damage Bu$h has done TO the citizens & the Constitution! We can't be a Silent Majority any longer!   [ send green star]
 
TW January 08, 2007 12:01 PM

About the families that received those phone calls -- if they were suspicious -- I have info I dare not present on this forum, in order to protect individuals, about the govt using intimidation on people who would potentially question the govt. You may remember that a whole lot of people involved in the Kennedy assassination, who "knew something", were offed, call girls associated with Jack Ruby, reporters like Dorothy Kilgallen -- they all died within a short period of time under very suspicious circumstances. These were never investigated.  The govt has "spyware" where they can key in on certain key words to look at your e-mail and postings. I will say no more on this; just that, we must all stick together and stand up for one another under this sort of threat and intimidation. Which is VERY REAL; not "paranoia" or silliness. People have been threatened, families threatened, whistleblowers threatened, and losing their JOBS is the LEAST of it. Yet, the Truth is still coming thru anyway. And that must give us hope!  [ send green star]
 
the pentagon March 07, 2007 8:53 AM

The most technologically capable building.The defense headquarters.THis is the pentagon.It was hit aprox. an hour after the towers and there is an air base 10  minutes away. NO EXCUSES this was intentional. Anyone who denies that should just go tune back into the TV.

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 March 07, 2007 11:38 AM

Of course it was intentional & well planned. It HAD to be hit at the right point & angle to minimize damage, with "little" loss of life (some had to be sacrificed - it's war, right?).. in order to get those possibly dissenting Generals in line (probably the same ones who are just now speaking up about Iraq) & make it easier to get back those appropriations the military-indusrial complex had been losing (plus a whole lot MORE)!  [ send green star]
 
cell phone calls November 09, 2007 5:02 PM

Well i am a cell phon engineer, thats what peaked my interest into 9/11.
I design cellular sytems as a Sr RF design engineer.
THose calls did NOT come from a plane at 35,000 ft
going 600mph.
My theory is that they (some of them anyway)
came from a different plane.
We (team8plus.org  a team of researchers) beleive that there were more (or other) planes involved.
There were several war-games going on that day, as well as several terror-drills.
With the war-games we know that they (the GOV) hired some Boeing aircraft (probably 757) from elsewhere for these scenarios.
We also know that some comapnies had the ability to change data coming from the planes
(as far as altitude, and even the CODE that identifies the planes)
I have also found that one of the planes appears to have been "SWAPPED" the day before (on Sept 10th) woith a different plane.
This SAME PLANE was seen again in 2005 flying as nothing happend !!!
This is very hard to follow, and takes some reading and understanding of tail numbers etc...
Heres a link if you want to read it...
Something smells in the air - Flight data + tail number oddities 9-11

One company PTECH is a computer software firm that was under investigation

Ptech - 9/11 Encyclopedia
Their customers include the FAA, FBI and many other Gov agencies

Ignored from the mainstream press are background details on this company. The so called "secret owner", Yassin al-Kadi (->), one of 12 Saudi businessmen accused of funneling millions of dollars to al Qaeda, was well known in investigative circles. The Washington Post reported later, that public documents filed in Massachusetts showed that Ptech leased much of its office and computer equipment using financing provided by BMI Finance and Investment, a firm that was partly financed by Al-Qaeda and which shared office space in New Jersey with Kadi International. BMI was financed by Marzook (a US Designated Terrorist); Yassin Kadi, financier of HAMAS terrorist Mohammad Salah, and two siblings of Osama bin Laden. BMI has developed property in Indianapolis, IN, Baltimore, MD and other locations. The development schemes parallel those of QLI and Golden Marble, Inc. (above)." Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/78/hamascomplaint.htm

Ignored from mainstream media and US Congress it was known, that a whistleblower told the FBI already on Ptechs connections to Yasin al-Qadi in October 2001! Source: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/341/metro/FBI_reportedly_didn_t_act_on_Ptech_tips+.shtml

But already in 1998 ex-FBI agent Robert Wright (->) was sabotaged on investigations on Yassin Kadi. Chicago-based special agent Robert Wright had accused the FBI of shutting down his 1998 criminal probe into alleged terrorist-training camps in Chicago and Kansas City, which he linked to Hamas that time. Source: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php

"Wright is the only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to the September 11th attacks. The original source of the funds was Yassin Kadi, a Saudi businessman, who is reportedly a financier of Osama bin Laden."
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Now all of this talk about Bin Laden might make it sound like he had something to do with it, well maybe, but if he did, it was with either the FBI, another US Gov agency, or the Mossads  blessing.



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CALL C: A man claiming to be Mark Bingham called Bingham’s sister-in-law, Cathy Hoglan, who was being visited by Bingham’s mother, Alice. Cathy took the call and handed the phone to Alice with the remark, “Alice, talk to Mark.
He’s been hijacked.”

Caller: “Mom? This is Mark Bingham.”

Caller: “I want you to know that I love you. I’m on a flight from Newark to San Francisco and there are three guys who have taken over the plane and they say they have a bomb.”

Alice: “Who are these guys?

Caller: (after a pause) “You believe me, don’t you?

Alice: “Yes, Mark. I believe you. But who are these guys?

(After another pause the line went dead.)

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 November 11, 2007 12:32 PM

About the dialogue: those calling from supposed "cell phones" were OBVIOUSLY ACTORS. Reading lines from scripts. There exists the technology now, I have heard, to make ANYONE'S VOICE SOUND LIKE ANYONE ELSE'S VOICE. To make MY voice, or yours, for example, sound like Eleanor Roosevelt's or Winston Churchill's distinctive voices. Pitches, speech rhythms, etc. They can electronically manipulate the sound waves, I guess.

The actor who expected to speak to the sister-in-law, was THROWN FOR A LOOP and couldn't think quickly enough on his feet, when suddenly and un-scriptedly confronted with Mark Bingham's Mother. That's why he said "I'M MARK BINGHAM", rather than "Hello, Mom". Do I call up my SISTER, who KNOWS MY VOICE, or my DAUGHTER, and say Hi, this is Barbara T.???????? NEVER!!!!!!!!!

That is why the pauses, while the actor's voice was being run thru the electronic setup. HE BLEW IT, DIDN'T HE????? That's why they HUNG UP. What a DUMB ad-lib question, Do you believe me????? To your MOM!!!!!!! JUST GIVES THE WHOLE DAMN THING AWAY, DOESN'T IT????

I have heard, that the calls issued from a radio station somewhere in the Mid-west, that they were traced to there.

As for the REAL Mark Bingham, and all those with him whose voices were FAKED -- my take is, they were ALL GASSED ON THE PLANE they were in -- THE FLIGHT THAT ACTUALLY LEFT THE AIRPORT. Gassed shortly after takeoff, to cause no foreseeable trouble. It would be easy, because a plane's ventilation system is closed and could be rigged that way, to deliver to the passengers TOXIC GAS. People would just go to sleep, with no pain, and never knowing what hit them. The babies and children on that flight would, too. [Adding to that high probability: the passengers were re-routed to that particular plane from another flight they were supposed to take that morning........]

EACH AIRPLANE THAT EXISTS IN THE U.S., HAS A TAIL SECTION WITH A NUMBER ON IT, THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED. SUCH A TAIL SECTION WAS, OF COURSE, NEVER RECOVERED FROM ANY CRASH SCENE ON 9/11. Even when an airplane crashes, ENOUGH OF THE TAIL SECTION IS ALWAYS LEFT TO POSITIVELY IDENTIFY THE PLANE. THAT IS A ROUTINE PART OF ALL CRASH INVESTIGATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND ABROAD. Even tho things like Atta's passport were recovered, and, in the case of the Pentagon, there were undisturbed books and papers seen inside the "hole" after the "crash" -- NO SHRED OF ANY TAIL SECTION OF THE FOUR PLANES HAS EVER BEEN RECOVERED. Dead giveaway there,too, huh????? Those four planes that left the airport, were never at the crash sites at all.

What happened to the planes? people ask.

LOOK FOR THEM IN THE DEEPEST OCEAN; OR LOCKED UP IN A U.S. MILITARY BASE SOMEWHERE; OR, LOOK FOR THEM ON A RANCH SOMEWHERE IN TEXAS, OUTSIDE OF AUSTIN, ON ONE OF THOSE GIANT, REMOTE RANCHES OFF-THE-ROAD, AND OWNED BY THE BUSH FAMILY OR BUSH FAMILY CRONIES. [The County of Blanco, has a lot of such ranches.] [Also there are possible eyewitnesses to this, laying low.]

An airplane does not just disappear into thin air. It would be difficult to dismantle, bit by bit by bit. If found, such a plane would REALLY CINCH ALL 9/11 COMPLICITY BY WHOEVER OWNED THE RANCH; WOULD DRIVE THE NAIL INTO THE COFFIN OF "ANTI-CONSPIRACY THEORY" NONSENSE. Would really NAIL the CRIMINALS; make any court-case AIR-TIGHT.

Those 4 planes must STILL BE SOMEWHERE; maybe even with all the BODIES still inside!!!

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anonymous  March 23, 2008 11:45 AM

Good pages on the subject...

 
 
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 August 25, 2009 6:16 AM

More good pages...

Pentagon missile hoax: debunked by 9/11 truth activists

"Pentagon missile" hoax distracts from best evidence

9/11-a Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Pentagon Attack Photos

The Pentagon Attack: The No-Jetliner Claims

The Pentagon Attack: What the Physical Evidence Shows - Exposing errors underpinning the "no-jetliner" theories

Video of the Pentagon Attack:What is the Government Hiding?

The hole in the "small Pentagon hole" claim

ERROR: 'The Pentagon Attack Left Only a Small Impact Hole'

ERROR: 'Flight-Path Obstacles Can't be Reconciled With the Crash of a 757'

ERROR: 'The Wings of a 757 Should Have Been Visible Outside the Pentagon'

ERROR: 'Engine Parts From the Pentagon Crash Don't Match a 757'

A page from a debunker, he is right about this issue: Pentagon Attack & Flight 77 Evidence Summary & Links page 1 of 2 

Google Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce, or, Critiquing PentaCon (Smoking Crack Version) - Showing the absurdity of The PentaCon's premise



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