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Topic: Points of Discussion Thread - For Openers from 9/11 Truth

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Eva C.	Points of Discussion Thread - For Openers from 9/11 Truth April 06, 2005 4:56 PM I'm going to start out this discussion thread by posting 9/11 Truth's Top 15 Reasons to Disbelieve the Government's Story About 9/11. I hope this starts out the discussion on specific points of the conspiracy on this thread. The top 15 reasons to doubt the official story of Sept. 11, 2001 Disclaimer Background Issues: The Abiding Truth Deficit 1) The 9/11 Commission Fraud: Conflicts, Collapse and Cover-up 2) The Hundreds of Still Unanswered Questions, the Scores of Documented Lies Motive Issues: Cui Bono - Who Profits Most? 3) Instant Fulfillment of Neocon Wish List 4) Political Bonanza for Bush/Rove team 5) Scale and Diversity of Profiteering Means and Opportunity Issues: How to Make it Happen 6) Ignored Foreign Warnings 7) Quashed Domestic Investigations 8) Incapacitated Oversight 9) Disabled Air Defenses 10) The Amazing Disappearing National Chain of Command 11) The Pakistan Intelligence Chief Who Loved Everyone At Once Aftermath Issues: How to Keep the Lid On 12) The Bitter Fight Against Investigations 13) The Amazing Disappearing Evidence 14) The Amazing Disappearing Demand for Accountability Wildcard Issues: Just How Stupid They Think We Are 15) The Ripley Believe It or Not Sideshow of 9/11 Miracles Epilogue: For the 9/11 Legacy Victims Still Dying in New York The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11" for a brutally funny walk through that particular fairyland.) In other words, our Top 15 reasons to doubt the official 9/11 story currently listed here are not meant to be definitive. They are simply important things for ordinary people to consider when facing the crimes of 9/11 and pondering how little we really know. Please stayed tuned as we continue to revise them based upon new revelations and your help. Back to Top BACKGROUND ISSUES: THE ABIDING TRUTH DEFICIT - Why the Fight for 9/11 Truth and Justice has Really Just Begun 1) The 9/11 Commission Fraud: Conflicts, Collapse and Cover-up The evasions, deceptions and misrepresentations of the 9/11 Commission Report - Given the Commissioners' conflicts of interest, and their determination to consider only incompetence theory, exclude whistleblower testimony, rewrite timelines to excuse official lies, tolerate unsworn witnesses, and ignore most of the victim family [ send green star]
Spooky C.	Eva... April 06, 2005 7:07 PM Those are some great links. for sharing them. Spooky [ send green star]
The Real Donna F.	April 06, 2005 7:52 PM Good work Eva. [ send green star]
Bear B.	Thank you April 07, 2005 3:35 AM I am a little behind, my browser crashed and lost a lot of my bookmarks. I have pasted this to my blog: http://bjscorner.blogspot.com/ Thank you [ send green star]
The Real Donna F.	Hey! Everybody! April 07, 2005 4:37 AM We`re on a mission! [ send green star]
Eva C.	RE: 9/11 Truth. org Information April 07, 2005 11:54 AM I agree, yes, yes, yes, Donna, we're on a mission to find the truth. I was also around, as some of you were, when the cover-up began on the assasination of President Kennedy, also, and I've always felt that some of the hawks at the Pentagon were instrumental in that assasination plot and that we were kept in the dark, as illiterate, ignorant children would be -- not for our own good, because we would panic -- but for the pupose of engaging in imperialism started by France, that ended unsuccessfully, and we picked up the imperialist slack. The country of Vietnam did not attack us, like Japan did, so we had every reason for getting into World War II. However, here, we are not really fighting a country, like Japan, in World War II, and the supposed culprit has not been caught, even though Bush has had the chance to catch him. We've been led into a war that has slaughtered thousands and thousands of innocent children and victims. I have pictures to the effect of what that monstrosity of ours has caused in the countries of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, we are virtually helpless, with the BUSH WAR MACHINE. The powers that have been taken away from our own elected representatives in Congress -- WAR POWERS -- have been given to religious-fanatical tyrrants, such as General Boykin, Rumsfeld and others, who are estatic about going into Iran in the summer, in June of this year. The plans to attack Iraq were made when the plans to Dominate the World by Colonialism, Capitalism, and Fascism were made with the idea of the GRAND BHUDDA Cheney being devised around 1997 in the form of PNAC. Yes, PNAC and the events leading up to 9/11 are definitely vital information to consider when investigating 9/11, I believe. That's why Prison Planet's 9/11 archive information is vital, as well as it's PNAC article, and as well as the information in the interview with Stanley Hilton, who represents many of the families of the 9/11 victims. He, A LAWYER, and I'm sure a brilliant man, believes that we were given the BIG LIE by our government in regard to 9/11. Take a look at those rescue mission pictures again. A city is hit with devastation like that, and Bush didn't send in the military right away. The city took care of the process themselves, civilians did the dirty work, policemen and firemen and civilians. People were not allowed back into their homes; people disappeared on that day and were never heard from again, like the Cuban husband of the Mayor of Pookeepsie. No, ma'am, I don't believe that anyone could fall for the story that someone, who just happened to be there filmed the whole thing, from the first to the last airplane hitting the towers, without someone having some kind of prior knowledge of the "spectacular event." When I say "spectacular event," I'm being facetious by mimiking one of Bush's top aides who told several people that there was going to be an attack by hijackers, including Bush, of course, and that it would be soon, and that it would be "spectacular," in early August of 2001. I'll now post the poll that 9/11 Truth conducted back in August of 2004, polling New Yorkers, who believe the government did nothing to stop the attacks. WHY DIDN'T THEY DO SOMETHING? WHY DIDN'T THEY WARN US, THE PUBLIC? http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841 Next, within this article, Donna and others, I would like to see what 9/11 Citizens Watch has to say on the OMMISSIONS REPORT. One thing we should keep in mind, also, folks. With 9/11 Truth, some of the victims' families are also part of this organization. I hope everybody also filled out what made them feel suspicious about the official story from the government, also, on the survey by 9/11 Truth. [ send green star]
No Account N.	More great links October 01, 2005 12:59 AM Here is a great lil' list of 911 Truth links. The best thing is YOU can add to it. Just click suggest in the upper left hand corner and fill out the needed info. I added almost everything there, help me out! What am I forgetting???http://rainbowguide.info/LinkMaint/LMlinks.php?vw=1&id=154&PHPSESSID=34bc8819d8e2dada1ccd02f611f97bd0 [ send green star]
Debbie K.	Another great site May 28, 2006 11:51 AM http://www.tvnewslies.org This is one of the first sites I found about the Big Lie. I found it to be very helpful and gave me a lot to think about; it has lots of great links worth reading. Do check it out if you haven't already [ send green star]
Jennifer M.	News- Front Page in Norway July 09, 2006 6:15 AM http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6608 http://www.gnn.tv/B16458 Norge "Le Monde" puts 9/11 on Front PagePosted in the database on Friday, July 07th, 2006 @ 11:40:09 MST (75 views) by The Blog of Doom Guerilla News Network Rough Translation provided by “Seabhcan” Was September 11th an inside job? From the July 1, 2006 Norwegian Le Monde Diplomatique 9/11TRUTH: More and more people in the USA are convinced that the American authorities are concealing their involvement in the September 11th tragedy. Statements from witnesses, marked confidential for several years, now show that controlled demolition may have taken place. The US government had long anticipated such an incident – as the Republican document from 2000 Rebuilding America’s defenses indicates. The 9/11Truth organisation believes that the USA probably orchestrated an incident of this type in order to justify the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the curtailing of civil liberties within the US through the introduction of The Patriot Act. It has now emerged that the America’s most senior military leader in 1962 devised a plan for a premeditated attack on Americans, which would have involved shooting down a passenger plane, so that the blame could be cast on Cuba. So why should this be excluded today? Many also believe that Pakistani intelligence cooperated with the CIA and Al-Qaida because the former transferred significant sums of money to the hijacker Mohammed Atta in the days leading up to the 11th of September. They even had Bin Laden under surveillance during the time of his treatment in a military hospital in Peshawar, Pakistan in September 2001. Kim Bredesen Journalist for Le Monde diplomatique. Most of us would think it strange if the impact of a passenger plane wasn’t sufficient to cause a skyscraper to collapse. So there were few who doubted what it was that hit the Twin Towers on the 11th of September 2001 or the identities of the perpetrators. However, in the intervening years, several individuals and groups, both in North America and in Europe, began to doubt whether this necessarily constitutes accuracy. For them, a set of contradictory circumstances surrounding the attacks do not correspond with the explanations of the American authorities and the Congress-appointed 9/11 Commission. A key reason for this doubt could be that there are witnesses and participants in September 11th who describe events that do not tally with events in the official story. An example is provided by onlookers who heard and saw what they believed to be explosions around the Twin Towers before they were struck by the planes. Policemen thought it looked like “planned implosion”. Fireman Richard Banaciski reported that: “It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory claimed: “I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?” – Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory Another controversial witness statement came from maintenance worker, William Rodriguez who was working in the North Tower on the 11th of September. In an interview with New York Magazine he claimed that he first heard a huge explosion when he was in one of the sub-basements of the skyscraper and witnessed the appearance of victims, the skin burnt off their arms by fires in the lift shaft. After the explosion in the sub-basement he heard another one from above. It was a Boeing 767. Williams was the last survivor to be rescued from the World Trade Center’s Ground Zero. He was hailed as a hero and invited to visit George Bush and the White House. Later, when he attempted to publicise his story about the sub-basement explosion, it was rejected by the American authorities. He has now filed a lawsuit against these same authorities under the RICO Statute, a legal ruling originally designed to prosecute Mafia families. Besides witness statements describing a controlled demolition of the Twin Towers with explosives, critics of the Bush administration believe there are several sets of circumstances around September 11th that give good reason to suspect the official story is incorrect. It is a fact that none of the four hijacked planes were intercepted b [ send green star]
Jennifer M.	Controlling the Message- Eyewitness August 22, 2006 8:13 AM http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-9-11-Controlling-the-Message.html 9-11: Controlling the Message Christopher Bollyn 19 May 2006 The mainstream media can no longer avoid the red-hot 9-11 issues, such as evidence of pre-planted explosives in the World Trade Center. But rather than presenting all of the facts, the message is being carefully controlled to suppress the evidence of Israeli involvement in the attacks and media complicity in the cover-up. William Rodriguez, the last person to escape from the North Tower just seconds before it collapsed, is a key 9-11 organizer working on behalf of the victims and their families. His efforts to find the truth about the terror attacks were instrumental in pressuring the reluctant Bush administration to establish the 9-11 Commission. Rodriguez, a janitor who helped rescue many people from the burning tower, stayed in the building from the time it was hit until immediately before it was demolished. His observations of what happened in the tower make him an important witness about the events at the World Trade Center. However, when Rodriguez testified before the 9-11 Commission not one word of his testimony was included in its final report. Having known Rodriguez for a year and having spent many hours with him, this reporter has learned a great deal about the 9-11 attack from his personal observations, most of which he does not speak about publicly. On a recent trip to Venezuela, Rodriguez told American Free Press that he has been advised not to talk about critical evidence that he has personal knowledge of. "I can't talk about the Israeli involvement because it would offend the Jewish families," Rodriguez said, referring to the relatives of Jewish victims. Yet, Rodriguez has important information about the involvement of Israeli intelligence agents in the attacks. For example, he has personal knowledge that Israeli Mossad agents, posing as employees of a moving company in New Jersey, met regularly with some of the Arab terror suspects at a video store a block from his home in Jersey City during the year prior to the attacks. In the afternoon of 9-11, when five Israeli "movers" were arrested in New Jersey after having been observed videotaping and celebrating the attacks on the twin towers, the police sergeant was told not to mention the fact that the men were Israelis, Rodriguez told AFP. Arab clothing had been found in their vehicle, he said. After investigating the five Israelis, the FBI concluded that they had been "conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front," wrote Marc Perelman of The Forward, a leading New York-based Jewish newspaper, in March 2002, citing an un-named "former high-ranking American intelligence official." www.forward.com/articles/4146 The five Israeli agents: Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the Bergen County police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van. The police acted on an FBI alert after the men had been seen celebrating and videotaping the events from the roof of their warehouse and van. Suspicions were compounded when box cutters, multiple passports, and $4,000 in cash were found in the van, which tested positive for explosives. The Israelis had taken pictures of themselves smiling with the smoldering wreckage of the World Trade Center in the background. In the weeks and months following 9-11, numerous cells of other Mossad "moving" agents were arrested across the nation. In December 2001, Fox News reported that U.S. authorities had detained 60 such "movers" and had arrested or expelled some 120 other Israeli agents, identified as "art students," which were part of an extensive Israeli spy ring attempting to penetrate federal buildings and military facilities. In March 2002, the French newspaper Le Monde reported that the Israeli art students had probably been monitoring "Al Qaeda operatives." www.forward.com/articles/4150 Le Monde added that the Israeli spies appear to have been "trailing Al Qaeda members in the United States without informing Washington." More than one-third of the Israelis under investigation lived in Florida, which was the home base for at least 10 of the 19 "hijackers" in the September 11 attacks, Le Monde noted. These facts, Le Monde wrote, support "the thesis according to which Israel did not share with the U.S. all the elements it had about the planning of the September 11 attacks." The French and the Fox News reports were dismissed by Israel and its supporters and received limited coverage in the American media, Perelman noted. American Free Press is the only U.S. newspaper which has reported extensively on these stories. The Israelis were held for two-and-a-half months and deported at the end of November 2001, for "visa violations," although the FBI's counterintelligence investigation had concluded that at least two of them were, in fact, Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who told The Forward that he had been regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials. "The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives empl [ send green star]
Jennifer M.	continued controlled message August 22, 2006 8:15 AM The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11." What all of the teams of Israeli "movers" had in common was that their vans had tested positive for explosives when the tests had been conducted by the local police authorities. When the Israelis' vehicles were turned over to the FBI, however, the FBI changed the reports to say that there was no evidence that the vehicles had carried explosives. Rodriguez, who was on the first basement level of the North Tower at 8:45 a.m. on 9-11, has often spoken publicly about feeling and hearing a "huge explosion" coming from the lower basement levels moments before the first plane struck the WTC. He recently told AFP that he cannot talk about "explosions," but only about what he heard. The first victim that Rodriguez helped, however, was a man who had been severely burned and injured by what he clearly told Rodriguez were "explosions" in the basement. In return for his co-operation in suppressing evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 and the explosions, Rodriguez has apparently been given vague promises of financial stability – and even political office – particularly in the event that Hillary Clinton wins the presidency in 2008. "I will be set for life if Hillary wins," he told AFP, which suggests that the powers behind Clinton are directly involved in the cover-up. On the other hand, countless federal employees, who could provide essential testimony about the attacks, have been gagged by secret letters demanding their silence about what they know, did, saw or heard on 9-11. Into the heavily-censored media environment, numerous independent researchers have brought forth a great deal of evidence disproving the official version and showing that Israeli intelligence agents and their U.S.-based supporters are prime suspects in the crimes of 9-11. In order to draw attention away from this growing truth movement, the controlled media has begun promoting a select group of authors and their books, videos, and websites. What this select group has in common is that their works minimize or completely ignore the evidence of Israeli involvement and point to a variety of other suspects being behind 9-11, such as senior officials in the Bush administration, the Neo-Cons, the Vatican, unnamed Luciferians, or the ever popular "Germanic Death Cult." Webster G. Tarpley, author of 9-11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, is one of the authors being promoted by the controlled media. As his title suggests, Tarpley's thesis revolves around the Bush administration being behind 9-11 and completely ignores the evidence of Israeli involvement. Likewise, without presenting a single piece of evidence, Tarpley wrote an article claiming that the recent anti-Muslim cartoon scandal instigated by a Danish newspaper had been a "NATO intelligence provocation." The "entire affair has been cynically orchestrated by NATO intelligence agencies to set the stage for a new world war," Tarpley wrote. Rather than embrace the facts and evidence, Hollywood has produced several propaganda television shows and one movie, United 93, to support the seriously flawed official version. Meanwhile, a product of the so-called alternative media, a video about 9-11 called Loose Change, is now being promoted by the mainstream media. As with the others in the media's select group, the producers of Loose Change keep Israeli involvement out of the picture and place the blame for 9-11 squarely on senior officials in the Bush administration. "We don't want to point fingers at Israel for a number of different reasons," the producers of Loose Change said in a recent interview on Air America: DylanAveryBermasRowe_4_15_2006.mp3 only 166 k bytes Questioned later by Eric Hufschmid, author of Painful Questions; An Analysis of the September 11th Attack, about their views on who was responsible for 9-11, the producers said that the Israeli role was simply one of trying to warn the U.S. about a potential terror attack. While they are well aware of the evidence of Israeli involvement, the producers of Loose Change say it is more important to prosecute members of the Bush administration and worry about other issues later. www.EricHufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html A third edition of Loose Change is being prepared for release in movie theaters nationwide this fall, according to the video's producers. Deborah S. Simon received special thanks in the video's credits for providing footage and other help in producing Loose Change. Simon told AFP that she even handed out copies of the video in front of the White House. Who is Deborah Simon, and why is she helping produce and promote Loose Change? Deborah Simon (nee Cox) is married into the billionaire Simon family of Indianapolis. The family owns the Simon Property Group, Inc., which boasts as being the largest U.S. real estate company. The Simon family owns, develops, and manages more than 280 shopping malls in the United States and 50 similar properties in Europe and Japan. The Simon family, strong supporters of Zionist causes, the Clintons, and the Democratic Party, also own the Indiana Pacers basketball team. The campus of the Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis is named after Max and Mae Simon, the parents of Melvin, Fred, and Herb. Melvin Simon, the Brooklyn-born founder of the company, also owned a Hollywood production company a [ send green star]
Michael F.	Eva August 22, 2006 1:02 PM Thank you for those links, very informative. Be Well MIKee [ send green star]
Jennifer M.	More to read about from Prez. Bushshit September 20, 2006 12:46 AM Audio-Bush commenting on explosives in building,Despair in Washington http://www.indybay. org/newsitems/ 2006/09/19/ 18312690. php Audio: http://dc.indymedia .org/usermedia/ audio/1/u2r2h- - bush_explosives- 15sep06.mp3 ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ` "T Lee Buyea - Fla News Service" ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ``` Desperation In Washington, DC http://www.rense. com/general73/ desp.htm Bush's cruel and degrading presidency http://onlinejourna l.com/artman/ publish/article_ 1217.shtml ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` `` Bush Tacitly Implies WTC Controlled Demolition? http://www.prisonpl anet.com/ articles/ september2006/ 180906bushimplie s.htm ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ``` Bush Desperate To Legislate Mengele Style Torture http://prisonplanet .com/articles/ september2006/ 190906mengelesty le.htm Included ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````` The Dollar$ & $en$e Of 911 http://www.rense. com/general73/ dollars.htm ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ````` Subject: Physical contradictions of WTC collapse Accepted at the most popular web repository of professional physics papers (arXiv.org), a rigorous analysis shows that avalanche of WTC building collapse could not form only due to initial damage of a few building floors, irrespective of that initial damage details: http://arxiv. org/abs/physics/ 0609105 (paper abstract) http://arxiv. org/PS_cache/ physics/pdf/ 0609/0609105. pdf (full text, 282 Kb) Excerpt from paper's conclusions (p. 8): "We conclude that in a tall building like WTC 2 a single avalanche may form under the conditions such as those following the airplane impact. The avalanche can propagate a few floors, at best, before it comes to a stop. The avalanche cannot reach ground zero, however, if the damage is localized only to the impacted floors. For the avalanche to develop and consume whole building in the time of ? 1.2 T extremely high levels of damage to the floors that were not directly affected by the airplane collision are required. If such a damage were delivered slowly to the whole building, this would have initiated one or possibly few slower avalanches sooner. This did not happen, so judging by the magnitude of the damage that had to be delivered rapidly to the building moments before the collapse, we conclude that the airplane impact could not have been a sole culprit for the catastrophy. Rather, we surmise that there was a wave of massive destruction (WMD) propagating throughout the building in the wake of which the avalanche formed. The WMD most likely started somewhere between the impacted floors and the middle of the building in a big explosion, which destroyed a number of floors to create a core of an avalanche. The WMD then propagated downwards destroying 70-90% of load-bearing capacity of the floors that were shortly thereafter consumed by the avalanche. In other words, the scenario suggested by the 9/11 commission, where the building collapses in a single avalanche in the near-free-fall times, is physically impossible unless other sources of damage to the building are identified." ```````````` ````````` ````````` ````````` ```````` `Prof. tells illegals to seize S. Cal. PE.com \| Inland Southern California \| San Bernardino Metro http://www.pe. com/localnews/ sanbernardino/ stories/ PE_News_Local_ D_navarro18. 3a435c3.html [ send green star]
Yvonne W.	September 27, 2006 3:56 PM CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11 Military whistleblower comes forward with key information : http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chav... [ send green star]
Manuela M.	October 17, 2006 10:24 AM Check out: http://www.videobomb.com/posts/show/5069 [ send green star]
Brad M.	October 18, 2006 9:47 PM There is a strident faction among 9/11 researchers that has, since the Israeli "art student" episode, maintained that the Mossad was either behind 9/11, or was spying on the accused terrorists at the time of the WTC air assaults and failed to warn US officials. This claim is based on an article about the Israeli "students" that appeared in the German periodical Die Zeit. With this article in hand, Jason Raimondo - the libertarian author of Reclaiming the American Right (introduction by Patrick Buchanan, a blatant anti-Semite), also a contributing editor for The American Conservative - has long been at the forefront of the "Israel did it" crowd. Aside from Die Zeit, another media outlet fuelled the Israeli spy controversy three months after 9/11, namely Fox News. As Salon reported in May 2002, "reporter Carl Cameron of the Fox News Channel was beginning an investigation into the mystery of the art students that would ultimately light the way into altogether different terrain. In a four-part series on Foxs' 'Special Report With Brit Hume' that aired in mid-December, Cameron reported that federal agents were investigating the 'art student' phenomenon as a possible arm of Israeli espionage operations tracking al-Qaida operatives in the United States. Yes, you read that right: a spy ring that may have been trailing al-Qaida members in the weeks and months before Sept. 11 - a spy ring that according to Cameron's sources may have known about the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks but failed to share this knowledge with U.S. intelligence. One investigator told Cameron that 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'" The word inside most newsrooms was that Cameron's report was misinformation. "Reporters at the New York Times and the Washington Post," Salon's Christopher Ketcham notes, "hit up their go-to people inside Justice and FBI and CIA, but no one could seem to confirm the story, and indeed numerous officials laughed it off. Fox got it wrong, the newspapers of record concluded. And nothing more was heard on the topic in mainstream quarters." (see: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html?pn=2) Le Monde and Intelligence Online obtained the same DEA report that Cameron cited - it does not state at any point the students were spies, but speculates they might be - and made definitive statements based on information not found in the source material. The day after the Le Monde piece appeared, the Washington Post ran an article in which the Justice Department denied the story: "The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage." Unfortunately for Raimondo and others, it is doubtful that the Israel art students were spies - they were shysters, small-time con artists. And despite the belief that has taken hold in some quarters of 911 Truth, it's extremely doubtful that these kids had anything to do with the Mossad at all. The story sort of adds up, Ketchan wrote: "This scenario has the virtue of simplicity - if it smells like a spy, walks like a spy, and talks like a spy, it probably is a spy - but doesn't make much sense, either. Why would the Mossad - or any spy outfit with a lick of good sense - use kids without papers as spies? And, just as our incredulous DEA agent noted, what intelligence useful to Israel could be gathered from DEA offices, anyway?" This is not to say that other, actual Mossad spy rings had no part large or small in 9/11. Former NSA staffer Wayne Madsen has been hammering on this theme. But sifting through the details of the "art students'" movements within the US reveals that they had nothing to do with 9/11 or the alleged Arab terrorists living here, if one studies the timeline with a fine-toothed comb. God is in the details, of course. Provided below is a breakdown of the investigation, including actual verbatim notes of the DEA's investigation of this clutch of Israeli ne'er-do-wells. http://911review.org/Alex/Isreali_Art_Students.html [ send green star]
BMutiny T.	HOLOCAUST DENIERS, ISRAELIS, AND 9/11 THE TRUTH MOVEMENT October 20, 2006 1:29 AM 1] NO foreign government anywhere, and NO individual or individuals, HAS THE POWER TO MAKE NORAD, AMERICA'S MILITARY AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM, STAND DOWN AS IT DID FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY, ON 9/11. The ISRAELIS, whether the Israeli government, or Israeli individuals, or Mossad, CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE THAT POWER; TO GIVE ORDERS TO BE OBEYED BY THE U.S. MILITARY. ONLY SOMEONE WHO IS VERY HIGH UP IN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, WOULD HAVE THAT POWER. NO FOREIGNERS HAVE THAT POWER. Not the Canadians, not the French, not the Ugandans............ 9/11 WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AT ALL POSSIBLE, WITHOUT NORAD STANDING DOWN. Normally, airplanes off course are ROUTINELY INTERCEPTED BY NORAD WITHIN MINUTES. 2] WHOEVER WIRED THE TWIN TOWERS WITH EXPLOSIVE CHARGES, HAD TO HAVE COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS, CARRYING LOADS OF BULKY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT, FOR A PERIOD OF DAYS IF NOT WEEKS. THEREFORE, THE OWNERS OR MANAGERS OR SECURITY PERSONNEL OF THE TWIN TOWERS HAD TO BE FULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND FULLY CO-OPERATIVE IN THIS UNDERTAKING: WIRING THE BUILDINGS SO THEY WOULD BLOW UP PROPERLY AND ON TIME. The workers who actually did the wiring, would need to know the layout of the building, have maps and blueprints, know where the Security Cameras and Alarm Systems were, to dismantle them or avoid them; need passkeys, use the entrances and exits of course, the elevators and stairwells, perhaps after hours when the building was closed to the public; they would have to drill holes in the walls at strategic places to set the charges....... ALL WITH THE CERTAIN AND EXACT KNOWLEDGE OF WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE OF THE WTC COMPLEX. THE YOUNGER BROTHER OF GEORGE BUSH, MARVIN BUSH, WAS IN CHARGE OF SECURITY AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COMPLEX AT THAT TIME. ALSO A COUSIN OF GEORGE BUSH'S, WAS A CEO OF THE COMPANY THAT MARVIN BUSH WAS IN. {Securecom, or some name like that.} 3] The Bushco mis-Administration is DELIBERATELY SPREADING DIS-INFORMATION THRU BLOGGERS who only APPEAR to be "on our side". They say, yes, there WAS a conspiracy, there IS a coverup, they even PARTIALLY admit to EXPLOSIONS in the buildings! {But don't give the WHOLE story of the explosions!} But, THESE BLOGGERS TWIST AND TURN TO GET BUSH OFF THE HOOK. "Oh, what a funny idea, that it could be SOMEONE HIGH UP IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! Oh, hahaha, why, that's impossible, of course!" etc. etc. etc. THE BUSHIES ARE DESPERATE -- 9/11 TRUTH-SEEKING IS CLOSING IN ON THEM. WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, HIGH UP IN THE BUSH GOVERNMENT, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MASS MURDER AND HIGH TREASON; AND LIABLE FOR TRIAL, PROSECUTION AND THE POSSIBLE DEATH PENALTY. Sooooo........ it's GOTTA BE Clinton, the Israelis, the "Liberal Media"; just A-NY-BO-DY but Bush and his family members!!!!! Please, please, please believe us!!!!!!!!!!!! And, the FAKE BLOGGERS put LIES into the mouths of honorable people, such as William Gonzales, and the editors of "Loose Change"! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TOO LOW FOR THE BUSHIES TO STOOP TO. But, we KNEW that!!! The "secret inside information" appeals psychologically to the "Inside Dopester" residing inside of us all. W. Gonzales and the Loose Change editors have told certain special people special inside info and now we are sharing it with YOU...............! Wow! The Bushies HAVE EVEN PLANTED PEOPLE, AGENTS OF THEIRS, IN THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT, WHO ARE HOLOCAUST DENIERS. The purpose of THIS, of course, is, TO *SHOW THAT WE ARE ALL* A BUNCH OF WACKOS AND CRACKPOTS LIKE THAT. And ANTI-SEMITIC, to boot. As a BONUS for the Bushies, IT GETS CERTAIN FACTIONS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. Whoopeee! Success!!!! You get a RAISE IN SALARY from Karl Rove!!! WATCH FOR MORE DIS-INFORMATION EMANATING FROM BUSHCO. AS THE NOOSE AROUND THEM, GROWS TIGHTER. AS THE FACTS, THE REAL FACTS, INCRIMINATING "PEOPLE HIGH UP IN THE GOVERNMENT", PILE UP MORE & MORE & MORE. B Mutiny T** [ send green star]
Yvonne W.	January 02, 2007 4:44 PM Awoken Research Group - 2006© http://valis.cjb.cc/ Subconsciously, people know that buildings don't just fall down. That's why 9/11 was such a shock. It stretched our minds to deny previously conceived notions about the world and physics in general. For some of us, it didn't work. [ send green star]
anonymous	Dammmit!! January 02, 2007 6:01 PM the new world order is coming we see it!!!! i feel it, and the bible talk's about it!!! Arm yourself with knowledge and a few other thing's if you know what i mean!!!!! knowledge maybe be power but the true is both powerful & dangerous "Tales from the time loop" !!!!is a must have & masters of money by Bill Still also free download off the internet....fellow the white rabbit!!!!! May God be with us ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [report anonymous abuse]
anonymous	9/11 January 02, 2007 6:05 PM Edwin,What white Rabbit? [report anonymous abuse]
Nicole P.	White Rabbit January 21, 2007 6:49 PM Matrix reference. Neo follows the white rabbit and finds out what the Matrix is. [ send green star]
Jennifer M.	VIDEO: The 9/11 Solution June 10, 2007 3:10 AM VIDEO: The 9/11 Solution 911 Myth instilled into the public's consciousness Global Research, June 9, 2007 http://investigate911.se/solution.html Email this article to a friend [ send green star]
Judy C.	September Clues June 13, 2007 11:52 AM I don't have enough tech savy to know whether the analysis of the video evidence shown here is accurate. It sure looks convincing. What is interesting is that the link to the page on rense.com no longer works and the page was scrubbed from the site.. Luckily I saved the page with the links to the videos. Part One http://www.livevideo.com/video/6F393F4DE41C4CF798CBB438E6378129/september-clues-part1.aspx Part Two http://www.livevideo.com/video/2CE2112F00F24F4182C73582D0F89949/september-clues-part2.aspxPart Three http://www.livevideo.com/video/E0E8DC73928D42D4A01CF664B22E16B5/september-clues-part3.aspx Part Four http://www.livevideo.com/video/3F706266A8524D6AA3CCC4CFC2F0F257/september-clues-part4.aspx I knew it was a controled demolition the first time I saw the towers coming down...it was played umpteen times over the first two weeks. I'd watched a vid of a building in Vancouver being demolished backwards and forwards at the hoom of a friend sometime in the 90s. I remember laughing at how amazing it was to see it run backwards, so there was no doubt in my mind that it was a controlled demolition I was watching on tv on 9/11. I will be going to the Vancouver 9/11truth conference next week and will report back on what I hear there. [ send green star]
FlowerChild P.	January 27, 2008 8:42 AM Sorry...but I am still not subscribing to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. I don't think that George Bush is that smart or that good an actor. This theory was spawned by the movie "Wag the Dog"...and now it continues. All I really know as fact is...I knew someone on one of those planes who is no longer with us. And, my daughter lost a lot of friends in the WTC as her office was directly across the street. Fortunately ... she was not at work that day. No..she did not receive a prior warning. I am reading...but not believing everything I read. [ send green star]
FlowerChild P.	January 27, 2008 9:02 AM Check out this link..... http://youtube.com/watch?v=KmDKhw5rWuE This video does not show any blackouts and clearly the people on the ground were witnesses to two planes crashing into the WTC. [ send green star]
FlowerChild P.	January 27, 2008 9:29 AM And...one more thing....the Terrorists (yes the really DO exist) have taken away our Religion (all forms of religious reference have been removed from public places except for churches, synagogues, etc.)....they've attacked and tried to take away our freedom (by making us so terrorist conscious...wire taps, etc.)...and they have destroyed too many of our people either on 9/11 or through the resulting war on terrorism. It's all bad folks. Don't try to make yourselves feel better by pointing to Bush and saying that this was all a conspiracy. As I said before...the REAL truth is....real lives have been lost unnecessarily. The terrorists are real. They live among us. And, I am certain that they are the ones who have fuelled this stupid conspiracy theory. If the planes that crashed into the WTC were missles ...not planes...then why are people on those planes dead? American Airlines conducted a beautiful funeral for the person I knew who was on their plane that perished. Should I believe that AA never had a plane in the sky that day and that this person NEVER existed? C'mon....give me a break. I am a Flower Child and no one wants peace more than I. But....when it comes to defending my children...my country..I will do anything that it takes. No..this is not Vietnam. Yes...I would like to see us out of Iraq as soon as possible but the costs of doing so must be carefully weighed. [ send green star]
Brad M.	flower child = Disinfo Agent February 05, 2008 9:30 AM Real lives have been lost... YES over 1.5 million IRAQIS are DEAD. YES, the "terrurists" are REAL. They are GW Bush /Dick Cheney + CO. Halliburton, Blackwater, KB+R, and other contraversial contractors are getting FILTHY rich from this illegal war. Some of the Anthrax attack letters were mailed BEFORE 9/11 meaning teh 2 attacks are related. No ARABS have ever been linked to the attacks. Its no coincidence that Bush's admin are all linked to the Iran Contra scandal. Including the 9/11 commission members themselves ! Its also no coincidence that The Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard B. Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner?. Its also no coincidence that • September 11 2001 - The official bin Ladin family's website domain expires. and that the Suadi Bin Laden Group was involved with the Iridium satelitte system Iridiums satellite #38 was alunched on September 11 1997 The documents were signed by Hasan M. BinLadin on September 11 1998 Its also no coincidence that September 4, 2001 - Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., partially owned by the Israeli government, moves out of the 16th floor of the WTC. September 4, 2001 - Robert Mueller, who oversaw the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing case and the 1991 BCCI banking scandal, becomes director of the FBI. September 4, 2001 - The White House approves plans to invade Afghanistan. Its also no coincidence that On a Dan Rather taped interview, Tom Kenney of The Massachusetts Urban Search and Rescue Task Force says his squad was one of the first teams to be deployed to the WTC for support and says his squad arrived late in the evening of Monday Sept. 10 and goes into action the following morning on Tuesday Sept. 11 causing a stir on the internet that FEMA had prior knowledge about the attacks, but FEMA officials and Mr. Kenney's wife later say he simply "misstated" his arrival date in the heat of the moment, although Mr. Kenney was never actually interviewed and FEMA never mentions their planned participation of a biochemical attack drill in NYC scheduled to take place the day after 9/11. Its also no coincidence that • September 10, 2001 - The roofs at the WTC are closed. Its also no coincidence that September 10, 2001 - A group of top Pentagon officials cancel their travel plans for the next morning because of security concerns. [ send green star]
Brad M.	Jerome Hauer February 05, 2008 9:58 AM In May 2002, Tommy G. Thompson named Jerome M. Hauer as new director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP). Hauer replaced D.A. Henderson, who will continue to serve as principal science advisor to the secretary for public health preparedness and chairman of the Secretary's Council on Public health Preparedness From a former GROUND ZERO Forum article, released at Scoop: "Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack." Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001 On May 5th 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute... ...Hauer is controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998. More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax. But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career. Is Hauer Lihopsuspect No.1? He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation. The watchdog group JudicialWatch (->) decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge. It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10. But things get really interesting when we consider that in August 2001, Jerome Hauer arranged a new job for John ONeill- the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center. How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important? We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker. Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions. The two French intelligence specialists Brisard (->) and Dasquie published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. ...TIME magazine tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles. This should change immediately. There is a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason? This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA. Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001. But first, more about Hauer: In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986. In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense. Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.l In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York. In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The Cfr is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad. CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief Woolsey,James, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others. (-->) On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge" Hatfill was at that time Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID ->). Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the [ send green star]
Brad M.	Jerome Hauer - continued February 05, 2008 10:00 AM In May 2002, Tommy G. Thompson named Jerome M. Hauer as new director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP). Hauer replaced D.A. Henderson, who will continue to serve as principal science advisor to the secretary for public health preparedness and chairman of the Secretary's Council on Public health Preparedness From a former GROUND ZERO Forum article, released at Scoop: "Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack." Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001 On May 5th 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute... ...Hauer is controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998. More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax. But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career. Is Hauer Lihopsuspect No.1? He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation. The watchdog group JudicialWatch (->) decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge. It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10. But things get really interesting when we consider that in August 2001, Jerome Hauer arranged a new job for John ONeill- the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center. How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important? We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker. Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions. The two French intelligence specialists Brisard (->) and Dasquie published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. ...TIME magazine tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles. This should change immediately. There is a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason? This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA. Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001. But first, more about Hauer: In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986. In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense. Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack. In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York. In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The Cfr is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad. CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief Woolsey,James, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others. (-->) On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge" Hatfill was at that time Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID ->). Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at [ send green star]
Brad M.	Jerome Hauer - continued February 05, 2008 10:04 AM While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II! With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes." Hauer is still trying to save the world. On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton). (-->) Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed: ..Release a White Paper explaining our goals and rationale for the war in Afghanistan, and outlining the evidence that the al-Qa'eda network was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.... ...Disseminate stories of particular victims to convey the range of people killed in the 9/11 attacks-stress range of religions, races, income levels, etc... ...counteract myth that Mossad was behind the attacks by showing Jews killed, etc... ...Routinely monitor the regional press in real time to enable prompt responses..." (*Note: As other sources pointed out, parts of this text had been based on ideas of George Soros->) Hauer's deep connection to disinformation circles for his own purpose are well known. In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York. To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal. Hauer continued giving bioterror lectures and writing terror scenario scripts. He organized a July 26, 1999, conference in New York for journalists and "thought leaders," on bioterrorism and "Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction - Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness." At the same time, he was heading the West Nile spray operation in NYC. Bioterrorism and vaccines - a perfect payroll combination for Hauer? Among the participants at this 1999 conference was Brigadier General Bruce Lawlor of the U.S. Army and the former FBI assistant director, Lewis Schiliro (NYC). General Lawlor has in the meantime become the Senior Director for Protection and Prevention at the Office of Homeland Security: Lawlor Lawlor was the first commanding general of Joint Task Force - Civil Support (JTF-C, located in Fort Monroe, Virginia. JTF-CS is a standing joint task force assigned to U.S. Joint Forces Command. Lawlor has taught at the U.S. Army War College and served as a consultant to the Defense Science Board. Nothing is known about his further influence in preventing attacks on America. However, as FBI assistant director, Schiliro supervised several counterterrorism investigations, including the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. But Schiliro gave up supporting Hauer in February 2000, too. He left the FBI to move to credit card giant MBNA Corp. And Schiliro wasn't the only one. His close friend Louis Freeh - who was replaced in the FBI in August 2001 by Thomas Pickard as the acting head of the Bureau - started a new job as a Senior Vice Chairman at MBNA Corp in early September 2001 and began to collect shares. The background of the MBNA (->) is very interesting. They helped the FBI in tracing the hijackers' credit card transactions, and had a lot of prominent helping hands. Among them was James Kallstrom, the former head of Special Operations, FBI. MBNA has a controversial status among civil right groups. Since 1996, MBNA CORP has unleashed various bulldozers, dump-trucks and explosives in a savage attack on the Ducktrap Deeryard (major coastal wildlife area on Penobscot Bay, Maine USA) or continued with "dull roar of corporate jet noise". Then, in April 2001, MBNA had to deal with check fraud. Involved was Intelligent Finance, a Halifax-backed Internet bank and a bogus account for a guy named Vindel. Interesting is the bio of another director of the MBNA Corporation: Bernadine P. Healy. She serves as a trustee of the Battelle Memorial Institute and is President and CEO of the American Red Cross. On May 10, 2001, a few months before September 11, she testified on "human challenges that we will face during a WMD attack" The Red Cross and the OEM under Jerome Hauer worked very closely together. Hauer's connections and insider information seem to be intriguing! He helped with the construction of the New York OEM headquarters known as "the bunker," on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. The CIA later confirmed that they had an office in that building, next to the Department of Defense a [ send green star]
Brad M.	February 05, 2008 10:08 AM The CIA later confirmed that they had an office in that building, next to the Department of Defense and the INS. For unknown reasons, 7 World Trade Center was the third skyscraper to collapse on Sept. 11. Officially, it began burning after debris from the Twin Tower collapses caused an illegal diesel-fuel tank inside the building to explode. The presence of this large gas tank - on the 23rd floor, too - with thousands of gallons of fuel far above ground, in violation of the fire code, was confirmed some weeks after September 11th. There has never been an official verdict on the reasons for the collapse of WTC 7. A FEMA study failed to reach a clear conclusion: While the collapse of WTC 7 remains a mystery, it cannot be said that the deaths caused by the bio-attack a couple of weeks later were similarly due to incompetence. On the contrary, Hauer had a huge team behind him, and had already warned the White House. Why didn't he leak all his information in time? In May 2000, the Johns Hopkins Center, in collaboration with the ANSER Institute for Homeland Defense, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Oklahoma Memorial Institute for the Study of Terrorism held a bioterrorism exercise at Andrews Air Force Base. Former Senator Sam Nunn played the President. David Gergen played the National Security Advisor. Governor Frank Keating played himself, Frank Wisner was Secretary of State, ex-CIA director James Woolsey(ironically) played CIA Director, John White played Defense Secretary, and Dr. Margaret Hamburg was HHS Secretary. The Attorney General was played by George Terwilliger, William Sessions was FBI Director, and Jerome Hauer played FEMA Director. "One of the striking observations of this exercise was the unfamiliarity of these distinguished and experienced professionals with the basic decisions and trade-offs associated with managing the response to the epidemic." Observing was Tara O'Toole, MD, MPH Senior Fellow, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies and at that time Deputy Director of Johns Hopkins Institute. This started a series of different "war games." On June 22-23, 2001, the same crew organised their last big scenario before September 11. They called it DARK WINTER. It was about a possible smallpox attack. Hauer participated as well, this time "playing" the director of the FBI. Among the other participants once again: Woolsey,James, ex-CIA director Hon. Sam Nunn George Terwilliger etc. Observing, among many others, Thomas Inglesby, at that time Senior Fellow Johns Hopkins Institute Hauer ignored one report by Barbara Rosenberg (on possible anthrax suspects), but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg. In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick. Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found: Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists" Is Hauer in any conflicts of interest? What was his coordination with FEMA? Can Hauer confirm, if a FEMA team was already dispatched to New York on September 10, as spokesman Tom Kennedy said in an interview with Dan Rather (CBS, shortly after the attack)? (INFO: An interview with FEMA director Joe Allbaugh took place on September 12th on CBS at 7:40:20 accirding to the CBS transcript) On May 8, 2001, Bush announced a new Office of National Preparedness for Terrorism at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. At the same time, he proposed to cut FEMA's budget by $200 million. Bush said that day that Cheney would direct a government-wide review on managing the consequences of a domestic attack... ...Hauer not only knew former CIA director Woolsey,James, but also Milt Bearden, who was station commander and had manage [ send green star]
Brad M.	Jerome Hauer - continued February 05, 2008 10:13 AM ...Hauer not only knew former CIA director Woolsey,James, but also Milt Bearden, who was station commander and had managed America's covert war in Afghanistan, helping the Moujaheddin drive out the Soviets between 1986-1989. Both spoke at the Nassau Community College (NYC) on October 22, 2001: Hauer's connections to the CDC, Johns Hopkins and the CIA (James Woolsey) are well-established. What role did Jerome Hauer really play? Why was the distribution of Cipro to White House staff on September 11 classified for such a long time (AP)? What exactly does Hauer know about Stephen Hatfill and his former USAMRIID colleague, Thomas Monath? What was his concern in organizing a security job for John O'Neill at the Twin Towers? What exactly did Hauer organise on September 11th? Is it true that his office ordered thousands of employees "back to their desks" after the first plane hit, causing hundreds of unnecessary deaths?" PROJECT ANTHRAX Khashoggi, Part 36: Who Mentored Michael Hayden? Adnan Khashoggi Linked to 9/11 Terrorists, Part 37: Mercenaries Terror-Scenarios - 9/11Encyclopedia Republican Jewish Coalition RJC The Blackstone Group Phoenix - Memo - 9/11 Encyclopedia Dallah Avco - 9/11 Encyclopedia Yassin Al-Kadi - 9/11 Encyclopedia FBI Told to stop investigations on al Qaeda - September 11 Dale Watson - 9/11Encyclopedia Resignments - 9/11 Encyclopedia Barry Mawn - 9/11Encyclopedia James Kallstrom 9/11 Encyclopedia The lost terror drills -11A - 9 11 training exercises wargames 2001 The lost terror drills -11B - 9/11 training exercises 9 11 2001 ... Offutt - Warren Buffett - George Bush - September 11 This post was modified from its original form on 05 Feb, 10:16 [ send green star]