Yes, the one we love to hate.  I only had one Macdonalds, and that was when I had a broken arm and someone drove me there.  It was a burger or nothing. 

On balance, I had never had one before and had to try it once.  It was leathery and tasteless.  I could get better if I bought a pack of frozen burgers.

I don't know why they have the cheek to call themselves a "Restaurant".  That implies that they know how to cook, and they are better at what they do than anyone else.  I can't cook steak or duck, but I can make better burgers at the first attempt!

This is not libel because it is a matter of opinion, but I'm sure I'm right.

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I Dont eat that spongie "food"...

....dont eat junk food, and as a matter a fact- dont eat Industry eatable things.

BTW McDonald smell so bad, bljak !

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That's a good point about exercise, but Maccas still has problems even if you do exercise. Though I think our top athletes eat it a bit.

Can you provide a link about that professor?

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My younger daughter used to order "2 cheeseburgers without the burger" when her traveling soccer team chose to go McDonalds after the game

That caused some head scratching behind the counter.

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i saw that movie super size me and it shocked me too. i am not a frequent fast food diner just because i watch my weight and wallet. i went onto their site to check out their nutrition facts and some of their new "healthy" food items are not better than their burgers. some of their salads or chicken finger meals have just as much if not more calories and such as their burgers. certantly not as healthy as it appeared. and never eat the chicken nuggets. in the movie it said that they were just ground up parts of chicken...parts you wouldnt normally consider eating. and in the movie i saw that their large sized healthy"fruit and yogurt parfait" has the same calories as their hot fudge sunday. and something outracious about the sugar content too. so dont be fooled by those "healthier foods" advertisements. its all a gag to make you spend your money...and youll still be unhealthy. i suggest checking out all your fav fast food joints nutrition facts on the web and you might wanna rethink your fav menue items. im not super paraniod about it. like i say i dont eat there often...but i have been known to grab a meal friom them once ina blue moon.

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i actually dated someone for nine years that worked for mcdonalds.  there are many reasons why i hate that place and will never go again.

in some kind of religion course that i took in university, i wrote a paper about how mcdonalds was evil.  part of my argument was because the corporation had misled people (including me, who happens to be vegetarian) into thinking their fries were meatless because they made the switch to deep frying their fries in vegetable oil.  in fact, their fries are actually deep-fried in 100% vegetable oil, this is true.  however, the fries are covered with some kind of beef stuff even before they are packaged to be sent off to the restaurants.

and to answer your question: yes, Hindus do consider the cow as sacred.  one individual stated that it was because we drink milk from a cow, and so it was like a mother to them.  so, you wouldn't eat your mother, would you?  this also posed an interesting dilemma for my ex-boyfriend's parents, because his family is Hindu.  we sure did have some interesting discussions....

so, you can see how this was sort of a gray area for us. 

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Apart from the fact that MacDonalds do not tell the truth about their vegetarian options, my reason for boycotting them is that they make quite the driest, leathery tasteless burger I have ever tasted. 

If I was just unlucky, so be it.  It is just miraculous that of all the people in all the world, their one failure should fall to yours truly, and just try to convince me that it wasn't worth trying another in case it was a friday afternoon job.  I'm not buying it.  Not ever.  I can buy the beef myself, mince it, add onion and fry it on a hot plate, sandwiching it in a fresh bread roll, and without all the practice they get every day, can eat something worth eating.  Sorry Ronald,  thanks but no thanks. 

Oh yes, what about the farms in Central America that can't afford to grow food for themselves and have to grow beef for leathery overcooked thin burgers? and what about the two in the MacLibel case who were persecuted by MacDonalds for telling the truth about where they got their beef?

What about the smell of oil that comes out of the air conditioning anywhere near every MacDonalds shop anywhere in the world? It makes me feel sick. 

What about the arrogance that makes a huge global company think it can get away with ruining children's appetites for real food?  At least the French have had the sense to stay away in droves, and MacDonalds made a loss in France, as did Disney world I believe 

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McDonalds make me sick. Despite being Vegan I do not judge others eating meat, but McDonalds are so unhealthy and I personally disagree to junk and fast food. But anyway, the main reason is that McDonalds recieve their meat supplies from places where ill treatment to animals occur all the time - isn't this a big enough reason to stop going there?

blessings,

Dana

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Personally I don't enjoy McD's, but I don't know enough about their business dealings (where they get their meat, what they do to the animals supporting them, like the KFC horrors, etc.) to boycott them.  I suppose I've boycotted them on a personal level since I stopped eating meat again, but that doesn't mean I won't go there for those ice cream pellets...Dip'n'dots.  Those are yummy.

We're discussing, in the Debates group, how much methane comes from the cattle we produce...fast food restaurants must be to blame for a lot of this problem, and they're only in business because we put them there as a society.  Fact is, if we started spending our money for a night out (like it used to be for non-home cooked meals), made it a special occasion, we would be spending that money on higher quality products produced by and supporting local Ma and Pa food joints. 

To me, this thing with McDonalds should be more a  health concern or an issue of taste than any type of boycott.  A boycott should be reserved for issues like the bocott on Canadian seafood, and those who support it, to stop the slaughter of baby and adult seals.  I'm surprized McDonalds has lasted as long as it has...on the taste of their food alone they are one of the last places I'd choose to eat, but to bocott them?  In my opinion that's bringing the impact of a boycott down a notch, unless there is a higher cause (such as the methane produced by their cattle or the treatment of their animals, etc.)

Just my two cents...

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Mike the problem is that McDonalds 'industrialises' everything, including the jobs. Most ma and pa stores I know employ a few other people. Even if they only employ ma and pa, that's a good start. One maccas can replace a few ma and pa outlets.

Sheena there are many more issues with Mcdonalds. There is the issue of the way they target children in advertising - much more so than any other fast food chain. They have used libel threats to try to prevent people from exposing the true health effects of their food. Do a google search for McLibel on this one. I think Ruth knows a bit about it as well. They prevent their workers from unionising and have closed outlets to nip union movements in the bud. They are also effectively subsidised in the US by subsidies in beef, potato and corn farming. There were issues with mistreatment of cattle in slaughterhouses and health risks, but this may have improved slightly. There are probably more issues as well, just can't think of them all. Eric Schlosser's book Fast Food Nation is a good start.

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My remarks are  only loosely related to each other therefore bullet points.

• The most methane produced is from a volcanic mud pit in Central Asia, Azerbaijan I think.  So all those accusations against cows aren't true, by quite a large margin actually.  Sorry!
• The pay for slopping food in oil should still compensate people for standing around all day when they could be fishing, or draped across a sofa reading.  They should be able to pay their unavoidable bills and feed their children on real food.
• Boycotting is the first stage of protest.  You boycott everything that offends you, then you start being active in other ways.  I have stopped eating Shredded Wheat, which I love, because Nestle sell powdered milk to mothers who can't make it up into milk safely because the water is not fit for babies to drink.  I email Nestle, I tell my friends not to eat MacDonalds, I add postings to chatrooms like this, I buy fair trade goods. 

I just think that we are not just looking back into a fake golden age.  We are fighting a war against people who have no scruple in taking over the world and flooding it with fake goods supporting it with lies.  They take our hard earned cash and give us a poor product at inflated cost.  They  use their profits from this to open more outlets in countries that aren't equipped to resist.  They employ local workers at the minimum possible wage, but also they pay extremely high fees to PR companies to exaggerate greatly the very few positive points about their product.  They  pay even higher fees to sue people who tell the whole truth about their company, see the McLibel case, but not only McLibel, Percy Schmeiser who fell foul of Monsanto, and Pusztai who was brought out of retirement to go on working at his valuable research into Snowdrop lectin and then was vilified and lied about by another (or the same ) GM company because his results did not have the answers they wanted.  Don't trust them an inch!

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"The pay for slopping food in oil should still compensate people for standing around all day when they could be fishing, or draped across a sofa reading.  They should be able to pay their unavoidable bills and feed their children on real food."

I dont think McDonalds is intended to be a job for a person raising a family... Sorry but if you are in your 30s and you are cooking fries at McDonalds then 6.00 an hour is probably all your worth.... Just my opinion..

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LOL

even McDonald brothers gave up on McDonalds LOL

Yea they did , right on the start… they sold it years behind!

lol

 McDonalds is baaaaaaaddddd

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Have always boycotted M April 14, 2005 9:17 AM
I have never stepped over the door of a McDonald's 'restaurant'.  I never will.  It's the land that has to get turned to grazing, the breeding of poor cattle just for the slaughter, the contempt with which they treat customers - who wants to eat with a plastic knife out of cardboard containers? and their maltreatment of employees. I hate the sight of their places.  You see them everywhere!

my very words --

yrs ago when i lived in surburbia, we had a rat plague -- i live trapped many, and released them in the bush next to maccers

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"They were alright in the beginning but now its just a sham...  "

That is a reason to reform them, not to get rid of them completely. That is what our government is currently doing.

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The only sham involving unions is the way they are portrayed in the media these days.  Hoffa's been dead for centuries, but they act like we're still organized crime or something.  Here are a few things you can thank a union for:

The weekend!  Before unions, 6-day work weeks were the norm.

The 8-hour day!  Before unions, try 12!

Sick Leave!  If you can't come in to work, you'd better find another job, before unions.

Vacation!  Only for executives, I'm afraid, before your union buddies came along.

Child Labor Laws!  See how easy Jimmy can fit under that "thresh-em-up-dice-em-up-doo-dad"???  Thanks to unions, Jimmy got to grow up with all his fingers.

Overtime Pay!  Right, you think your boss just pays extra because he VALUES you?  Get a clue!

This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks!

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I think it's a combination of unions and technology.

New, and expensive, technology is now available that greatly improves worker safety.  Problem is, it's expensive!  Unions put the right amount of pressure on employers to get the technology in place to protect those workers.

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So a huge company can rip off its customers, its wage slaves and its suppliers, so that a few rich buggers can get even richer.  Doesn't the golden double arch make you want to vomit?

• How dare they say they are a restaurant? 
• How dare they persecute  people for telling the truth? 
• How dare they corrupt little children into thinking it tastes good by bribing them with tat and calories?
• How dare they force poor people into cutting down the rainforest to produce beef that they mix with pap and remove the flavour of?
• How dare they devalue real food?

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I don´t remenber when it was the last time that I ate in mcd... Those sandwiches make me sick... I don´t taste fast-food, much less junk-food......

"Helth starts for the mouth"...

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France hasn't really been swamped by them, has she?  Good on her!  Hope it stays that way.  Everywhere else has got a plague of them.  And maybe some of the poor downtrodden folk that work in them wouldn't mind being in a union.  Imperfect as they are!   Please say no  

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growing meat in a petrie dish:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15849954-23109,00.html

Care2 is now hosting ads for McDonalds on the care2 email page. Please let the admin know your thoughts on this.

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Hey Mike---Do you have a link/study/further documentation on that professor that did the experiment on eating McDonalds & exercising & losing weight? 

I'm interested in looking into that........Thanx.

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http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,17952878-31037,00.html

TOO busy to get to your shift at McDonald's restaurant? Don't worry - send someone else in your family to go along for you.

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We are having an important discussion at F&S group about McDonalds publicity at care2, please read

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=187&pst=780089

We made this petition:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/469925376

McDonalds has been feeding the people "food" less than healthy for many years.  They've made many dollars from this.  It's now time they start promoting health and awareness.  Care2 members can make a difference by voicing their peaceful concerns and ideas.

Imagine having a Care2 Menu and start making a difference.

AND...

Instead of toys, they could use recycled paper to make posters to color, or whatever.. that would be fun and exciting. (maybe even contests locally for each store to promote art as well)  Alternatives to the plastic toys.  Yeah?

Teresa D.
NOTE TO MY FRIENDS**** 8:04 AM

My dear friends, the ones that are against McDonalds, with McDonalds or on the middle of the balance:

Our petition is not against them, it´s just making them understand we are in times of change and better nutrition, is changing little by little, or giving options for those who like vegetarian hamburgers, we believe in good will and we are happy they are helping sick kids, God Bless all the people that help others. But also God Bless all the people that protect animals, nature and healthy habits for a better future.

This is not a personal fight against any opinion here (not rude), but we are giving an option for care2 to make a difference

And for those who completely disagree, Carl made this petition too

Xarl B R.
if ya dont want it on Care2 Monday, 6:23 PM
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/449747879

it might not be the best petition ever made, but its a statement

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from mcspotlight.com:

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McDonald's To Pull Out Of UK Primary Schools
McDonald's is to curtail its presence in UK primary schools as part of a radical overhaul of its national education programme.

McDonald's to address UK 'animal sentience' conference
McDonald's, probably the world's largest exploiter and promoter of animals as meat machines, has been booked to address the International Conference on Animal Sentience.

Minister talks tough on fast food for children
The public health minister Melanie Johnson last night began tightening the screws on fast food companies to end two-for-one burger promotions and incentives aimed at children.

Junk food clampdown threat
The food industry was warned to stop advertising junk food to children within a year or face a clampdown.

What else is new?

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I didn't read all the way down, but if everone on this thread can't stand eating at McDonalds ... aren't you already boycotting? 

Just curious ...

And isn't it a better reason to boycott a business for their sh1tty business and/or practices rather than just because you don't like their food? 

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nor do I have anything against them.  Just asking. 

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We fed both of our kids McDonald's on occasion when growing up.  Teaching your kids about nutrition ... seems to me that's a function of the parent and not the fast food industry. 

Neither one of them is overweight nor particularly overly fond of McDonald's ... it's just another choice in the vast variety of fast food emporiums out there. 

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Really?Did care2 deleted the petition?Oh it is terrible. Care2 says (Join us to make a difference in this world) . Which kind of difference could be possible with companies like MacDonald?.What happened to the last petition ?I tried to put it every where and cross post it?Does any one know about the result?

Dear Friends make your people aware in your countries Kick out these kind of companies from your lands. Teach your people how to live healthy and change their eating habits.

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Ultimately it is the consumer that has the real power.  To that end educating folks about nutrition and corporate practices through the use of petitions and sites such as these is all important.

Corporations are focussed on profits.  It is up to the consumer to use the power of witholding their money in order to effect positive change in social/enivronamental policies.

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As a matter of fact it´s removed, but we still have Darren´s petition.

Also I found this link, check this out

http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=bythelb

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/logical-fallacies.html

McDonalds has made very good use of straw men in it's recent advertising campaign where it 'debunks' a lot of the cirticism made against it's 'food'. For example, they debunk the myth that they're burgers are not 100% beef (ie, no car parts or fertiliser), without addressing in any meaningful way the real issue of the fat content and quality of that beef.

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