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Lacto-ovo vegetarians: why eggs and dairy? September 09, 2005 4:53 PM

I know this is "Helping Vegetarians go Vegan," and I'm ready to do that, but I also wonder if vegetarians would like to shoot arguments back our way.  Lacto-ovos, why do you think your diet is best?  Is it that being vegan means having too few choices in some restaurants and at some parties, or that lacto-ovo desserts taste so good?  (These things are what I'm guessing it is, since these are the things that made going vegan a challenge for me.)  Or do you actually have an ethical argument for not eating meat, but eating dairy and eggs?
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for me September 09, 2005 7:11 PM

i see eating dairy as hypocritical...rennet (from slaughtered calves) and just the way dairy cattle are treated!  i am not vegan (yet) but hope to be for those reasons. i gave up meat b/c i love animals and so so it only makes sense to give up dairy/eggs as well.   i have found that the more vegan recipes i try and the more substitutions i learn about, the easier it is. 

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p.s. September 09, 2005 7:16 PM

and to answer your questions:  i do not think lacto-ovo is best and any one who gives up meat for the animals sake yet continues to eat dairy has probably never realized the suffering those animals go through.  for some people these things are common sense-for others (most of america) they just dont know, for whatever reason, where their food comes from!

(and living in small town cattle country-yes, it is hard to find even a lacto-ovo dish at a restaraunt, much less a vegan one!...and i know you can talk to the chef.  but that just shows how far behind some areas are)

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excellent question September 10, 2005 9:40 AM

but maybe not the best place to ask it...? My guess is most vegetarian who are here (if not all of them) don't have such arguments since they want to become vegan...
But it would be interesting to ask about this in the vegetarian group for example...
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I guess that's true, Pelagus September 10, 2005 10:47 AM

Vegetarians who wouldn't want to go vegan wouldn't be here.    [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
to me it's about HARM September 11, 2005 12:18 PM

If I could get dairy products and eggs from a source that I KNEW wasn't harming animals I would eat eggs and dairy with no problem at all.  Unfortunately, who among us knows anyone with a small farm?  Even here in Indiana, I don't.   I gave up meat in 1977 and that hasn't been that hard.  I'm trying to give eggs/dairy up, but it is very difficult!  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
Small farms September 11, 2005 12:30 PM

I do still eat eggs and cheese from small farms where animals are not harmed to make these products. I am also planning on starting a goat farm where I will milk the goats and make cheese.   [ send green star]  [ accepted]
 
 September 12, 2005 9:55 AM

"and to answer your questions:  i do not think lacto-ovo is best and any one who gives up meat for the animals sake yet continues to eat dairy has probably never realized the suffering those animals go through.  for some people these things are common sense-for others (most of america) they just dont know, for whatever reason, where their food comes from!"

thats an assumption...i do know where the eggs and dairy come from...i try not to eat it, because i realize i am still supporting the industries but sometimes, because i am poor, or hurried, or just out of 'habit' and lazyness i eat the items. i am a single mom who up til now has been working retail hours anywhere from 9-9. i sometimes feel i have no time to get everything done and trying to learn vegan cooking substitutions can be costly, both as ffar as time and expenses goes: a can of no name veg soup with cheese or whey  or eggs in it at 58 cents a can is cheaper than the organic cheese free option, and easier to find. i don't always have time to precook. i am here to to get encouragement and discover alternatives. i am not making promises that i will be vegan tomorrow, or ever, i just don't  want to stay just veg, but find it difficult to make that transition. thats why i am here...

but maybe not the best place to ask it...? My guess is most vegetarian who are here (if not all of them) don't have such arguments since they want to become vegan...
But it would be interesting to ask about this in the vegetarian group for example...
i think this is a good place to ask this...its easier to see then where trouble spots are, particularly for those vegans with buddies. maybe i don't have arguments but at this moment in time i have 'reasons' i need to work through...
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yup September 12, 2005 11:11 AM

i am (truly) sorry for making the assumption, but like you said, i do think that's why we're here...b/c we know how terrible factory farming is for those animals that are slaughtered and those that are not.

i do not deny in the least bit that it's difficult to be vegan...omigosh is it!!!!!!  i think every vegetarian that wants to be vegan and has a difficult time making the transition has very personal/individual reasons why they havent yet.

and angie, thank you for saying that you're not promising to be vegan.  i would love to, and hope to, and everyday i try to make the right decisions, but sometimes i dont.  it's nice to know the steps i have made have made a wonderful impact on the earth.  it's nice to know there are others who care just as much (if not, more).

my brother has been vegetarian for a year and considers himself a "practicing vegan."  he travels a lot and sometimes he only has time for/can afford a veggie burger from burger king. 

all of us in here care.  that's why we're here!  have a great day!

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 September 12, 2005 11:32 AM

  @practicing vegan...

i hope i didn't sound harsh in that post..i didn't mean to
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oh September 12, 2005 12:01 PM

not at all!  i thought you thought i was being harsh (and i didnt mean to either!). 

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