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 May 19, 2009 10:52 AM

Tracy, maybe you could stick a sign out there for someone to call you?   Ooh, a sunflower garden would be beautiful with beautiful trees mixed in!   

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 May 18, 2009 9:05 PM

A tree farm would be awesome!  I would be happy if it was that or something beautiful like a sunflower farm.   But I know that that isn't very likely.   Not many farms like that around here....I do live in the "garden state", and in most of my drives I see vegetable farms, and a few fruit farms.  Ironically, decades ago, it did use to be a dahlia flower farm, as far as the eye could see.  Although vegetable/fruit farm would be cool, certainly beats condos!  Wish I could see who the owners are, I don't see them around there much anymore, they seem to show up while I'm at work and are gone by the time I get home.  Real interested to see what they are growing!  Will keep you all informed, definitely!  

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 May 17, 2009 4:01 PM

I dreaded asking you for a loooooong time about the horse farm, Tracy for fear of what I would hear!   But now it seems that even though it is not the best of news (that the horse farm would be rebuilt and all the trees left standing) it is far from being bad news!   I hate that your poor cherry tree was cut down, but as you said, the storm mostly destroyed it.  AND there are lots of trees left standing still, which is GOOD!  Wouldn't it be great if it would become a TREE FARM????   If you ever see the owner's maybe you could go over and talk to them and see what's going on (and maybe find out some really good stuff) and even mention to them that it would be so wonderful if they could plant more trees on the outskirts of the 'farm' for the birds and squirrels.  I feel so much better after reading your 'update'.  Please keep us informed of future goings on. 

  

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 May 15, 2009 7:30 PM

UPDATE!!

I've been watching some activity going on across the street from me at the old abandoned horse farm.  There is some sad news....although I haven't ventured back there (don't want to get arrested for trespassing).....there are some areas I can see from certain vantage points.  And I know that my favorite old cherry tree has been cut down and apart. It was greatly damaged in a storm, and I guess they felt they couldn't save it, whomever it is that is doing work over there.  They also took down alot of trees, as I can see cars going by on the street farther away, and I couldn't before.   I mourn for the trees they took down, I hate seeing any woodland removed. 

However..........with that said, I have a bit of positive news to share with you all.  Heard a motor noise the other day, and my first thought was, UGH here come the bulldozers.   Looked out the window and saw nothing but brown dirt.  Thought they were scraping up the topsoil.  But instead, I noticed not bulldozers....but a huge John Deere tractor instead.  And it wasn't plowing topsoil, it was turning over the dirt.....and I realized, they are going to farm the pastureland, not build condos on it by the looks of things!!  Now don't get me wrong, I would love nothing better than for the land and building to be restored back to what it was and leave all the woodland untouched.  But in the grand scheme of things, it seems inevitable that they are going to do something with that land, and if I had to choose between hundreds of ugly condos or a farm land, I'll take farm land any day.   Not sure what they are growing over there, but I did see them plant something the other day.  And the good news is, they still left alot of woodland still standing.   I'll keep you all up to date on what happens.

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 March 11, 2009 9:33 PM

Julie, I feel exactly as you do!  Kudos to you for buying a property where you could keep/plant more trees.   We need more people like you!

Must give an update on the situation of this topic.....although nothing major has started, a flatbed truck arrived several days ago and dropped off a bulldozer out of view.   I fear they may be about to start working on the place, if they haven't already out of sight of where I can see.

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 March 07, 2009 12:20 PM

Itis so sad and disgusting how humans just chop down trees like they were nothing. My husband and I are very much tree lovers. we have planted lots of trees on our property. I plant trees instead of flowers!!

We just bought 2.5 acres of land in TN are moving there this summer. It is all trees and we have had only a small area for our homesite cleared. And only the trees that were small and nessary to be able to put in a well and septic. Having trees on your property is not only helping the enviroment and animals, but it adds beauty, and shade and warmth to your house and property. I get so angry when I see land being cleared of trees for building new homes. Alot of the trees could be saved and built around if people just cared enough to save the trees.

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 April 19, 2008 10:10 AM

Such great ideas flowing in, thanks Martin and Andrea! No idea is too out there, anything we can come up with is worth a try!  I've never read those books Andrea, if you find anything, let me know?  We aren't really near the pine barrens unfortunately where this land is located....too much in the city for that.   The organization you mentioned Martin, I think that is the one I was trying to think of earlier...thanks!  If we did have to start a grassroots effort, I wonder how I could get that going?  I mean, a million dollars (at least!) is alot to raise by donations alone.   I will keep you guys posted...thanks for all your help!

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 April 19, 2008 8:59 AM

This sounds very much like a project The Trust For Public Land would be interested in.  Failing that, or any other solution, I hereby pledge to donate what I am able to afford if a grass roots effort is undertaken to buy this property to protect it from ruin.  [ send green star]
 
 April 18, 2008 11:52 AM

Okay - here is a REALLY wild one.  I have this book from Matthew Lesko - I do not know if you have ever seen his commercials, the guy with the question mark suit - on how to get all kinds of money from the govt. and private rich people looking for tax write-offs, and maybe there is something in there that might help you.  I will look through it, or maybe you can find it in your library. 

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 April 18, 2008 11:49 AM

Or, I was thinking earlier (at therapy when I should have been focusing on other things ha ha ), do you have any colleges or universities near you that have a forestry dept., or even like a wildlife management or biodiversity dept. or majors?  They have money up the ying-yang, and they might be willing to invest in that because they would be able to use for all of their students in those courses for like their field work and studies and stuff.  Hope I do not sound stupid here, I am just trying to think of who you could get some $$$ backing from.  Kind of just sounding off I guess. 

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 April 18, 2008 11:45 AM

Are you anywhere near the Pines?  What about the people who manage that?  Maybe they can help...

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 April 18, 2008 7:51 AM

I should give Nature Conservancy a try, send them an email or letter....maybe they could help!   Never heard of Metroparks where I live..(I live in southern NJ)..but it could be here, you never know, I'll have to do some research on that one.   Thanks so much Andrea!

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 April 18, 2008 3:10 AM

Do you have Metroparks where you live?  I do not know if that is an Ohio thing or a nationwide thing, but if you have them, maybe they would be interested in getting in on this also.

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 April 18, 2008 3:09 AM

What about The Nature Conservancy?  I know they have several properties around where I live, and none of them are real big, well, to me they are, but I think in terms of major foundations or whatever, not so much.  But it seems to me, at least around here, they have quite a few smaller parcels of land in pretty much random places.  Kind of like they just bought stuff up to keep it from being developed...and I do not think any of it has anything endangered on it, just more it seems to keep it pristine and natural.  Let me know if there is anything I can do to help out.

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 April 17, 2008 10:55 PM

56 Acres.....but it is sure to be real expensive...it is a piece of prime real estate, located on a main street of my city.  Probably well over a million dollars easly for the land alone.  Finding alot of people who would care enough to do that sort of thing would be the tricky part.....I never know how to get the ball rolling on that sort of thing. That is of course, assuming the property is still in fact for sale.   Thanks for the idea Andrea....if I could find a way to make it work....maybe I can try this organization again that I wrote months ago that buys up land like that....I need to remember the name!   Unfortunately though, alot of organizations deem 56 acres too small to bother with....they often deal on larger scale projects....100's of acres at a time.

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 April 17, 2008 6:16 PM

How big is the land, Tracy?  Is it something you maybe could get your community involved, like to buy the land for the town in some kind of way where everyone contributed some, and then you all would kind of own a piece of it or something?  I do not know - I probably sound stupid....just trying to think of ideas....

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 April 17, 2008 9:49 AM

UPDATE!!

Yesterday, two guys appeared in a van, and posted the FOR SALE sign again!   I don't know if that means that because the builder ran into so many snafus that he just put the land back up for sale again, or if it is a ploy to get you to call and ask about it, and have them tell you it is still under contract....but they have some other land for sale.  OH how I wish I had the funds to buy that whole piece of land myself!!

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 February 17, 2008 8:00 AM

Tracy, I always hate to ask how it's going....afraid of the answer I might get.   Gee, I pray so hard that the trees will not be cut and maybe they will create an animal haven of some sort.  I know most of that is 'wishful thinking' but PRAYER DOES HELP!!   Keep us updated, my friend and let's continue to pray!

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 February 16, 2008 11:15 PM

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 February 16, 2008 3:24 AM

oh thats great news! lets hope they have forgotten all about it!  [ send green star]
 
 February 09, 2008 10:30 PM

So far so good Emily!  It is real quiet over there....no activity of any kind.   Hope it stays that way!   [ send green star]
 
 February 09, 2008 3:35 AM

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 November 15, 2007 8:50 PM

Thank you Emily and Martin for your comments.  I too hope that they don't proceed on with their plans.  So far, they have now repaired the fenceline on the sides...but I still have a feeling they are doing that for the future condo project.  They took down all the fenceline that lined the really long driveway leading to the barn.  And I think they are only keeping the barn around to store equipment and supplies in.  Still happy that all is quiet as far as destruction goes though.  I just wish that all the letters I wrote him would make him think...and maybe change his mind as to what he wants to do with that property.  [ send green star]
 
 November 15, 2007 5:05 PM

You did all you could, Tracy, to save the land and it's residents from being killed.  The newly poured concrete serves as a gravestone for the beauty that was murdered. 

You, my dear friend, are a champion of all things green and  living.  Sadly, others favor money, convenience.  Such is the state of our world.

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 November 15, 2007 3:47 AM

I really hope they dont go and cut those trees, I know this has been going on scince before I left to do my studies. It is terrible. those trees have just as much right (if not more) to be there as we do. In fact i think they should have more right because the trees are actually helping our planet, whereas we are the ones creating pollution.

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 August 14, 2007 11:26 AM

Just posting an update.....

Ironically, nothing more has been done to the place other than putting in those pipes near the front curbing.    They actually repaired the white fencing in the front....which is strange.....I am real glad to see that they haven't started demolishing anything or building yet.  One dogwood was lost in the front...they removed it to put a pipe in.    But other than that, no other trees have been harmed as of yet.  I am not sure what is going on with the plans now...but I am just glad that they haven't started yet.

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 May 15, 2007 10:17 PM

Well so far, no demolition of tree, building, or land has taken place. But there are dump trucks bringing in loads of grey gravel and dumping them in the pasture land....not sure what that is for. I assume that has something to do with the condo project...unless someone is allowing them to use the land to store their materials on. It would be so great if this was all pertaining to another project and that they aren't going to develop the land yet afterall.  [ send green star]
 
 May 14, 2007 5:39 PM

Wow, Chris that is so kind of you to do that!

My camera broke, but if i can borrow my moms i will go out sometime soon and take pics It would be really neat if i could get some pics of wildlife. We have a little bit of everything; even a mountain lion! (which is kind of scary, because i go back in the woods by myself sometimes!) I've seen racoons, squirels, chipmunks, TONS of deer, groundhogs, snakes (yikes! lol), rabbits, foxes, etc. Its so beautiful... and such a shame the builders will be ruining part of their habitat.

Vicky, way to think positive!!! I really do hope that they will save part of the farmland that has a lot of old trees!

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 May 14, 2007 3:10 PM

I can only imagine the feeling, Tracy.   Like you are looking at an old friend for the last time.  Very heartbreaking indeed!   Maybe, just maybe this contractor has reserved a lot of old trees in his plans instead of chopping them down.   Let's all continue to pray that this will happen!!!  

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 May 13, 2007 9:14 PM

Took a walk over there Sunday.  Took several pics of the area.  Was an eerie feel and smell to the air......the only way to describe it is to say that I was sensing the way it used to be in the past, when the horsefarm was still running and in all its glory.  I walked the trail to the end of the property, and it was just alive with birds of all kinds, singing away and flitting from tree to tree.  So many birds nest back there....breaks my heart to know so many of them will lose this thriving habitat.  To the human eye, this property is in ruins...but to animals, it is home.  [ send green star]
 
 May 13, 2007 9:04 PM


Tracy B.
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Oh my goodness Chris! That is such a nice jesture and is so wonderful of you!  You are too kind! At least those 20 trees you sponsored will know a life of protection....and not of being destroyed.  Thanks so much my dear friend! I am honored you would do that!

Vicky....that sounds like a nice idea (asking about the mature trees) but believe me, they have a blueprint that has long since been done of what they plan to do with the property.  And usually, that entails "wiping the slate clean"..the slate being the land...and then starting from scratch.  Everything goes...that is the way it was next door to me. Trees that would never have even been in the way of the houses were cut down, simply because they were within the property boundaries.  They always rationalize it as being ok, because they plan to plant more trees once they get to the landscaping part.  Of course, the trees they plant are no where near the same as the mature ones they butchered...usually they are little ornamental trees that don't get very large, and don't sustain much life. Although pretty, these ornamentals aren't serving much purpose for the life that used to inhabit the older more mature larger trees.

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 May 13, 2007 9:03 PM


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Chris, what a wonderful thing you are doing; sponsoring those trees for Tracy!!  God bless you!

Daniella, how grateful all the wildlife must be that you are preserving some of their homes!!   Heartbreaking about the rest of the land though.   WHY DON'T PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOUSING ALREADY OUT THERE??   Let contractors renovate buildings that are already built???  I was going down the road today and pictured all the beautiful trees around me gone - just a barren flat treeless land and I got so depressed.  People either don't care or don't realize what they are losing by each chop of an axe or a bulldozer!   It seems to me (but check your state) that you can put in your will that you do NOT want any trees cut after your passing, or you could make it a park or something.

ANYONE = what all can be done to preserve property with trees on it.   Daniella maybe the Public Land & Trust could advise you although I don't think they helped Tracy.   However since it is your land maybe they could help.

Tracy, I wonder if you or others could ask the contractor that for all mature trees he leaves standing that we all could donate a young tree to be put in another area of the property in the place of those that he absolutely has to cut.   It is still not too late to try and reason with him!!!   ANY IDEAS??? 


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 May 13, 2007 9:03 PM


Chris O.
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continued... May 13, 2007 9:02 PM

 the street, on what was once beautiful green pastures and woodland at one time.  That has been my view for about 20 years, and I am really gonna miss it.

Yes, please do take pics of your land and the field too! Maybe if more people see these pics, they will be more inclined to preserve the green spaces!

I am going to take one last walk over there today while the workers are still off, and take my last pics of what was once a sight to behold.

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 May 13, 2007 9:00 PM


Tracy B.
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Thank you Marie.... watching this all happen really sickens me.  It is like watching someone you love die.....feeling that helplessness of wanting to make it stop, but knowing there is nothing you can do.  And when it is all over.....that same feeling of emptiness and a void that cannot be filled. 

Of course, they probably plan to plant trees...but like you said, that doesn't make up for all of the mature trees, which were homes to much life for decades that they will cut down.  How do these people live with themselves, as they cut down these once majestic trees and watch the animals flee as they do so? 

Just as you are doing, I am going to nurture my yard and make it as wildlife friendly as possible.  More trees, shrubs, and food for all of those displaced who wish for a place to stay or visit. 

Vicky, I am sick of people too....especially those who don't realize the harm they are doing to the earth.  And there seems to be so many of those types of people out there, especially in my state.  I live in the so called "garden state" which is quickly turning into the "condo state" if you ask me.  How many housing projects do we need?  Are there really that many people out there who need these types of housing?  Who is their right mind would shell out $300,000 for half a house? (that is what the ones next door to me go for--not sure how much these will cost across the street from me). 

Unfortunately, with all of the places out there to contact who could help save this place, none of them were able to do so.  Some never got back to me, and others who did expressed that there was nothing really they could do.  The last shot we had was finding an endangered species of plant or animal life there that would need protecting, but there was none.  So now they have nothing to hold them back from scalping the land, as there is nothing but regular plant and wildlife there.

Going to council meetings you would think would open people's eyes and convince all involved that destroying the land for housing is foolish...but sadly, most council people are looking for ways to develop the city economically, which of course.....green areas don't bring in money to sustain the city.  So naturally, they go for approving housing developments..it is more economically sound.  I remember reading somewhere that my city's mayor hated when people would buy up land just to keep it preserved as a green area....he thought it was a major waste of economical opportunity.  Concrete jungles earn a lot more than a green oasis(unless it is a golf course...they approve them alot...and they are just as bad as housing developments).

Your story of the little confused squirrel broke my heart.  What is must be like for an animal to go out foraging somewhere, only to return to find everything obliterated.  And those cruel people responsible for the destruction never seem to care about that angle.  I saw many a disoriented animal wander into my yard, with the look of "what the heck happened??" on their face.  I really hope that God does intervene and stop this mayhem.

Daniela.....that is so sad about the farmland....sadly, it seems more and more farmers wind up selling to developers.  That is happening real often in my state, which used to be mostly farmland.  If they are only building that amount of houses on 60 acres of land, you are lucky....as the horsefarm I am referring to is 56 acres, and they are building about 160 houses on it!  Although they might be the split type condos like the ones they surrounded my property with, with each house really being two evenly split establishments.  But that would basically be at least 80 if you cut the 160 in half, still way too many to me. And the number of 160 was arrived at when early on, people sued and got them to reduced it down from about 200!  If I knew those people were suing at the time, I would have contacted them and convinced them not to settle for less condos....only to settle for NO condos!  I too dread looking out the window one day and seeing all those houses across

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 May 13, 2007 9:00 PM


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i am so sorry to hear about this... it seems like its happening everywhere- and more frequently Including where i live. It used to be a little farm town with open fields, now everything is being built up. My dad has 18 acres of land, and he is surrounded by acres and acres of fields, and woods. Unfortunately, one of the farmers sold his land to developers. Its about 60 acres and they are going to build 15-20 (or more, im not really sure) houses on it Theres nothing we can do about it; most of the lots are already sold and they will probably be breaking ground soon. Our land is part field and part woods, we used to have a motorcross track but this weekend we tore it down. I really want to work on preserving the land and providing a habitat for all of the animals that are being forced out of their homes. Im hoping to plant tons of trees and deer grass to maybe make up a little for what we've lost from them building on the field. Ugh... im dreading the day when i get up in the morning, go outside, stretch and look out over the once green field, razed and covered with houses On the positive side.. i will try to take pics of before and after of my land.. and if you guys want i'll take pics of the field, too.

Although we've lost, don't give up... keep fighting because next time we might just prevail!

-Daniela

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 May 13, 2007 8:59 PM


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Oh how terribly, terribly sad Tracy and Marie.  I am crying as I write this.   Marie you summed it up so eloquently.   I hate to say it but I am SICK OF PEOPLE!!!  Well, greedy people that only care about more stores, more this more that at the expense of one of God's most cherished gifts - TREES!!    You are so right - mature trees are to be revered and respected.  

Tracy, you did what you could my friend with the horse farm; you fought a valiant battle!  I think you are right; these organizations don't help the smaller communities.   I was praying so very hard for it (horse farm) to be saved!

Since Katrina I am seeing my rural area go flatter and flatter as the trees fall to construction!   I went to a council meeting a year ago (alone)with signatures and booklets for council members that I constructed on the benefit of trees.  I don't know if it did any good or not.   Hopefully they will leave most of the remaining trees alone.

I was coming home from another rural area the other day that is facing lots of construction and I saw something that broke my heart.   On the side of the road there was a bulldozed area where a line of trees had once stood.   And there, looking confused was a little squirrel - as if to say "where is my home"?   I cried.    There are still trees there though (and hopefully they will stay) but perhaps his little tree/nest was gone.   I am getting more and more depressed each day at the "so what?" attitude of contractors and people and the rapidly disappearing trees!   Marie, I, too, have planted trees in my yard and will keep my bushes and tree line for the poor animals and birds.   Wow!  You have trees that grow 20-30' feet in 3 yrs?   Fantastic!

All I can ask is that God intervene.   This madness must stop!   It is destroying habitat and beauty!

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 May 13, 2007 8:59 PM


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I am sharing your sadness and mourning with you, Tracy, over the coming of the bulldozers. I am going through the same thing here, with a new condo one field away with 160 units of condos, where they chopped down 100 foot tall eucalyptis trees, a whole row of them across the field in front of our house.

So many people today view the chopping down of mature trees as a trivial matter and think that it's silly to mourn over them. But a newly planted little tree cannot possibly take the place of a mature tree. And there is something about a mature tree that is as sacred as anything else on earth. So I DO mourn the destruction of mature trees.

I don't know if it helps any, but I am mourning with you. I know the terrible feelings inside that developers with bulldozers can bring. Your heart cries out that this can't be! And yet those cries can't stop the bulldozers in their ugly, devilish, evil work.

OUr society has grown so blind to the beauty and importance of living things, including old trees and the wild creatures that live in them. I wish I could give you some of our trees. Whenever I see habitat distruction it tears me up inside, but I take consolation from my own trees. (The cottonwoods and elm trees my family planted 3 years ago are now 20 to 3o feet tall.)

Oh, the IGNORANCE of those who bulldoze trees and cover the eath with concrete and asphalt. I live in a citified rural community that encourages progress and despises the earth and the fruits of its womb.

My only compensation is to be hidden away in my small forest, busily nurturing life, attracting some of the wild creatures that have been driven out by man's thoughtlessness and ignorance.

If only I knew a way to educate this foolish generation of "progress" and if only we could make laws against this kind of thing. These people could use one piece of land as well as another, why land with mature trees?

I really can't offer much except to say I agonize with you over the trees!
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CONTINUED....I DESPERATELY NEED YOUR HELP TREEHUGGERS May 13, 2007 8:58 PM

My Redwood Acres cause topic was getting a bit lengthy, so I decided to open another topic to continue the conversation.  Here are the most recent posts, starting with the most recent development..... so that we won't lose track of what is being discussed.  For more details of what this topic is all about, please see the link below:

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I came home from work yesterday to find............ 
Friday, 9:21 PM

The first two tractors have arrived.  The surveyors were out in full force yesterday, staking up near the curb.  They have the tractors just sitting on the side of the driveway.......I guess we officially lost the battle. I'm sure within the next few days they will either start demolishing the barn, felling the trees, or scraping up the layer of grass and topsoil.  Bad enough I had to watch that next door to me happen that way, now I can look right out my front window and watch it all over again.

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