Kicka mentioned:

Im a very skeptical person in my own right.

Not to the idea of psychic mystery, but to some people who openly claim they are.

I mean, there are major hoaxters out there, that really put a damper on this.

How can we tell if we are in the presants of someone truely with this gift, or just a faker who is on a power or money kick?

This is worthy of it's on discussion thread I believe, so hope you don't mind Kicka that I moved this

The fact is, we are all born with ESP... children tend to be more sensitive then many adults only because it has not been drilled out of them, or taught to them that it is NOT real...

But there are as you stated a lot of HOAXSTERS out there... a lot that LIE, and claim to be this or that and are NOT! And this is so very sad because it gives those of us that are bad names.

SO... let's address things to look out from so called Psychics and Mediums and Readers...

• IF they need your birthdate... full birthdate like year, month and day... be skeptical! There are many computer generated readings and all they need is a full birthdate to plug in and volia you have a computer reading in often seconds! A real psychi may only need the year you were born... and granted a few may need the YEAR and MONTH or Month and Day... but never a FULL unless you are getting an astral chart... and be cautious on those... they can be computer generated as well!
• There are many Psychics, Mediums and Readers that feel it is bad karma to CHARGE for a reading... but let me tell you... if a reading is REAL... a LOT of tiem and effort goes into a reading, and the reader should be compensated. But YOU should not be ripped off either. So... look out for the readers that ask for an arm and leg.
• ASK for references! I know myself that I have done many readings... and several of those I have done readings for would be more then willing to share their honest thoughts and opinions on my readings. But again, you have to be weary... folks will lie for a dollar! So listen to your own GUT instincts when it comes to readers as well.
• IF a reader needs your FULL name? To me, that is boggus... I do NOT ever need a full name fo a reading... because I have the ability to feel and see things about the subject. All I need is that initial connection, via a name, or touch... if I touch, I don't EVEN need a name!
• Don't fall into being questioned by a so called psychic... you could be inadvertantly providing them with info to mek the LOOK like they know what they are talking aobut...i.e. you have suffered a loss recently... give me a break, MOST of us have suffered some kind of loss recently from a job, to a set of keys, to a blip in memory, to the loss of a loved one... and with such a Vauge statment... it is easy for YOU to fall into that quesiton with... YES... I did loose something! A real psychic will give you a bit more detail! i.e. you have recently lost a loved one wihtin the past few weeks. or you have recently lost something silver and shiny...which would be the keys! MOre specifi then You lost something!

I hope others will share tips... and I plan on sharing more as well

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One of the difficulties for clients is that we all seem to work differently. Some clairvoyants will see pictures. Others will see symbols of the future. Some will hear voices. Others will pick up a strong “awareness”. Some will literally “read” your palm or birth chart.

So how on earth do you SPOT THE FRAUD...

FRAUDULENT MEDIUMSHIP

Unfortunately this is very common, and there is even a ‘Fraudulent Mediums Act’ which was passed in 1951 in order to control such people. However, this particular law is virtually unenforceable, and I believe that there has only ever been one prosecution .

True mediumship is amazing, and can even be great fun, both for the sitter and the medium as conversation with the “Spirit World” does not have to be serious. But it is very easy to fake.

Danger signs for Clients:

Is the message specific, or can it be applied to anyone? It's all to easy for the medium to make a few suggestions, one of which might well be somewhat near the truth -and then for you as a sitter to become so completely hooked that you fully believe that you are getting a genuine message.

But just think for a minute.

How many people would have passed over with "chest pains"? Quite a lot.

How many people had a "connection with water"? Quite a lot

"Trouble with stairs", "a childhood toy", etc etc. All I am saying, is be very, very, careful before accepting the obvious.Tidings of comfort and joy are all very well, but are they appropriate. If the deceased was a grumpy old miser in this life, it’s very unlikely that they would now be beaming sweetness and light! A true message will also probably contain small items of trivial information which is only known to you. This is a good sign that the message is genuine.

Don’t worry if the medium asks a few questions about the deceased. This is very often necessary in order to make a strong link. But be careful if you are then only fed back what you have just said! It is sometimes better just to give the medium a personal item of the person you wish to contact, or show them a photograph.

However, always remember that a medium is not a telephone. And those on the “other side” can’t always be contacted just when you want to. And is the deceased even there? Have they moved onto another plane? Or maybe they are busy doing something else!!! Think of it from your own point of view, would you spend your time hanging around psychics just hoping that they’d pass on messages!

Sometimes the age that the person has died at is a relevant factor. There obviously is no hard and fast rule, but it does seem that many of those who die young disappear from the contactable spirit world quite quickly. If you are a believer in reincarnation, you might consider that possibly they have already returned to earth. On the other hand, people who have lived a long life may be too “tired” to make contact. Would you want to be woken up at 3.00 in the morning just to be asked if you were O.K.? So, in general, if a medium guarantees to be able to make contact, they are almost certainly fraudulent . We cannot command or control the spirit world, any more than we can change the tides and seasons!

A frequent trick of the fraudulent medium is the “Don /Ron /John” technique

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It goes as follows:

“I have someone here on the other side, I think his name is Don.”

No response

“No, maybe it’s Ron”

No response

“Wait a minute, it’s coming through clearly, I can hear him now, it’s definitely John”

By which time most sitters will have identified someone in their lives with one of those names!

There is also a similar technique where the “medium” declares that

“I have someone here called Mary. “

No response

“Is she possibly an aunt?”

No response

“She may well be an old family friend...”

Just think to yourself, why on earth would that particular Mary (or Susan, or Tom) want to get in touch with you of all people! Especially if you haven't a clue who they are.

But maybe the “medium” has hit on a name you do relate to. Some names are very common for a particular generation -is this any proof that the medium has contact with the right Don, Mary or Susan? Again you need to look for specific information, if the contact is genuine then you will receive information that you alone can understand. Occasionally this may even be a favourite word or catch phrase that the deceased frequently used. You alone can be the judge of this.

Warnings to Mediums:

All of us who work in this field doubt our own ability from time to time. If you don’t then you’re probably deluding yourself. There are times when mediumship does not happen, and you certainly can’t guarantee that you can make contact with a specific person. You client may be grasping at straws, there may not be anybody there for them and you must never build up false hopes. Watch out for the Don/Ron/John trick! Never, ever just throw names out on the chance that your client will relate to one . If there is no information then it’s best to be honest and say so.

We know when there is a spirit presence. We are all affected differently, but usually there is some sense of tingling in the spine. The best thing then is to stop thinking and say what you are given to say. And if the client doesn’t relate to the message then don’t try to push your luck

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As the future obviously has not yet occurred, how on earth can you tell if someone is genuinely clairvoyant or is just faking it? To make matters worse, all clairvoyants hate being “tested”, and even just asking them to tell you something you know already almost always raises a barrier between you and your Reader.

SO HOW DO YOU TELL WHETHER A CLAIRVOYANT IS GENUINE OR FRAUDULENT?

Firstly, you will have to make a judgment based on the clairvoyant’s publicity material. Remember, that this is their sales pitch, and if not actually written by the person in front of you will certainly have been approved by them.

Watch out for a few over used statements:

“You’ve probably read my book/magazine articles etc”

No, but you are too polite to say so.

“My clients return to me again and again”

Do they really? Why? A good reading will last for years.

“I have given readings to Film Stars/Politicians/Royalty?”

So what!!! In this type of work we all often come into contact with the rich and famous. And beware anyone who publicly names a client. Our work is totally confidential, and unless the reader can show you the written endorsement of the client (and if they can they will!) then that statement must be suspect.

“Internationally famous”

So in which other countries are they so famous? And does the reader speak any languages other than English?

“As seen on T.V.?”

The media take a great deal of interest in us. I would expect any experienced clairvoyant to have been asked to appear on the various chat shows that regularly try to debunk the subject . However some such shows deliberately pick the weakest and most easily discredited clairvoyant they can find, so just because someone has been on T.V. does not mean to say that they are any good! The question here is which programmes has this person appeared on. Are we talking about well researched mainstream national programmes, or low budget local late night shows?

Of course, all of us readers make these claims. Don’t automatically reject them. After all they are usually genuine. However, if the clairvoyant is claiming any spectacular successes, then they will almost certainly be carrying a scrap book of press cuttings to back them up.

Many readers will use generalised astrological statements. such as “You are a Sagittarian therefore you are definitely very lucky”. This of course is total rubbish, and should be taken with a pinch of salt. One twelfth of the human race are not lucky just because they happen to be born during late November or early December!.

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If someone one claims to be a practising astrologer, and then just gives you Sun Sign predictions, then then they are definitely not genuine! True astrologers use your full date of birth, and all the planets as the basis for a reading. Ideally you should also know your time of birth, but if you don’t then the astrologer will either construct what is known as a “Solar” chart, or, if they are capable of it, will work out themselves what time of day you were probably born at.

Be careful of astrologers that simply “blind you with science”. Statements like “I see that you have Mars in Capricorn, therefore you are very good at business, but Saturn transiting your 7th house will bring relationship difficulties” are all very well, but if you don’t understand what you are being told then please ask for a clearer explanation!

Also, what is the clairvoyant’s track record? Have they any firm proof of past successes?

Again, be careful here, we’ve all been “tested” in this way before, and the slick fraud will always have anticipated an answer. A competent reader may well have some press cuttings in which an independent journalist has commented on his or her accuracy. But again, this doesn’t happen nearly as much as we’d like it too. The press are all too quick to condemn our failures, and rarely report our successes!

Sometimes it helps to ask other clairvoyants as to their opinions of a particular reader -but beware professional jealousies. Psychics have a tendency to see all potential rivals as inferior beings!

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The Pseudo-Psychic

You won’t loose money to this fraud, they never charge. In fact they usually delight in telling you that True Psychics (like themselves of course) never accept payment. From a professional point of view they are a mere irritation. So why mention them? Simply because they get the rest of us a bad name -and if you are not careful their price is higher than any amount of mere cash.

You frequently meet them at pubs and parties. They will grab your hand, look deeply into it, mutter something like “Amazing, very interesting” etc, and leave you yearning for more. They will tell you that they know things about you they are not “allowed” to reveal. If they are clever, they may well also use some of the tricks of the commercial fraud. You will probably also be told of some unbelievably amazing events that they alone can see in your future. And of course the Pseudo-Psychic will tell you that in the past all their predictions have come true.

So why do they do it? Firstly to impress you. And secondly, it gives them a sense of power over you, especially if you believe them and keep on asking for more “predictions”.

And thirdly, it can simply be a chat-up line.

“We have an amazing astrological compatibility"

“We used to be together in a previous life”

“When I first saw you I recognised you from a dream”

“Our destiny is as one!”

Phrases like that sound corny when put like that but when said by someone who has already convinced you that they “have the power...”.

Sensitive people are very vulnerable to Fraudulent Clairvoyants

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OK... my thoughts on the faux psychi... yes, some are crap trying to rip you off... but there are a lot of budding, real psychics that will give readings  for free... just to build thier own abilities...THEY GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT!!! Just not money... eventually they may charge.

There are honestly some folks that feel guilty for charging for something that is so natural to them.

And there are some psychic vampires out there that WILL try to milk you on an emotional level by trying to get you HOOKED on readings!

My advice... just be cautious, listen to YOUR OWN INSTINCTS... and do the research

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The book store I go to called Newage pathways has supposed psychics standing by.One asked me if I wanted a reading,her personality was dull and I felted I saw a dark energy around her.

She didn't use Tarot cards,she used a deck of playing cards like they use for playing poker.She said she was a psychic and the cards were just to distract me.

So,what she said, was I was probally bi-polar and sent me to a doctor,who who turned out to be a anti-depressant drug pusher,I spent months getting on and off Zoloft and then tryed wullburtrin too.

I was foolish to listen to her.So ,yes be very carefull and listen to your instincts.

I learnt a lesson there,stay away from doctors.

Don't know why I even did that I know better,I've never used doctors before always go to the herb shop for my medicines.

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Thanks for all the helpful information.

I too went to a psychic in my local "Psychic Eye" but I did it just for fun. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. And frankly the guy that gave me my reading was full of crap and I knew it from the moment we sat down. None of the reading could be pinned down to just me, it could have applied to anyone. At least it only cost me $15 to be that intertained.

I personally dont think that the bookstore/sidewalk psychic is for real. I feel that someone with the gift would like to keep a low profile and build up a client base via word of mouth.

I am sorry to say that I am one that thinks the gift is free so the service should be free. But rather ask for tips/donations , if the reading is good I hope that most people will give something. (Not saying that those that charge are not good.)

I myself am verying interested in learning to untap and my full potential. I have become blocked by years of conditioning by society. (Which is why i am here. )

Looking forward to more great posts!

Burning Phoenix

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Sage, I am sorry that you experienced such a fraud!

You said in your post though that you flet that there was something dark about here... I hope that as hard as it was that at least a lesson came out of it... that you learn to tune into your own intuition, and listen when you feel that darkness...

I think that drug pushers are horrible! I believe that for every pill out there MOther Nature has given us SOMETHING to help us... Again, I am so sorry that you had to go through your ordeal.

Your experience and by your sharing it here, may save another from having to experience a similar horror!

Thanks for sharing!

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Burning P, you said:

I myself am verying interested in learning to untap and my full potential. I have become blocked by years of conditioning by society. (Which is why i am here. )

The conditioning that society enforces upon the young is such a sad thing... so much is LOST... and often never found again!

Sometimes we can rediscover the natural abilities that we all have, and build upon them. Some times we can just rediscover a small portion of them... but we have to be willing to try... and it sounds like you and others here are willing to do so!

I'll try to add more educational ways to start rediscovering your own abilities as time allows.

Thanks for being here! 

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I am so glad you posted this here about frauds as they are out there. I do not beleive that a gift given should be charged for. I do not ask for any information at all from anyone. I am surprised that new members ask if I want their details of birthdays, this and their full name should not be asked for in any reading it is not needed. As for giving names also you can not give names. If I specifically hear the name which is not often I do tell them but state to look outside of your imediate family, as this could be a friend or neighbour. The name  usually is of either somebody still here or someone whom has passed over. I usually ask for signs of if I am correct and these are given to me. I am blessed with spirit helping me by giving me clues, I often hear song played to give clues. If somethings are given they could also be symbolic.

I get goose bumps and tingle right down my spine and shake slightly when spirit are here with me. I also  am given signs when spirit are about. I describe the person infront of me as I see and hear spirit. I do not sense them untill they send a smell to alert me they are about.

There is a very good part of this thread which should in my opinion be posted on care2 about the fakes as yes they give all a bad name. I am genuine as others will tell you. I never ask for information I just talk to you and then spirit come through and I am told by my guides as well information. I usually work on a high level where spirit just pop in, I find this way easier for me as I need no help at all but on lower level my guides do help me as well as the loved one in spirit.

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I can hear the arguement- it is my job and i need a wage(!)

hmmm hippy - thinks back, to monks doing prayers for cash eek wasnt that immoral

Hippy thinks people can do other types of work and still be a healer or helper aid ect ect.  maybe there is a conflict involved with running a healing buisness and actual healing... co-orporate stress would get in the way of truth

big love n peace x

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Thanks for taking my question so seriously, also thanks for all that wonderful new knowledge.

I find it amazing how I was able to relate to most it all.

Parts of your discription of the Fraudulant Mediums, made me think of "John Edwards" who I was sold on to be honest. Then there is the "Von" guy, I can't think of his full name. It almost sounds German, but he's American. Both have had TV shows.

I never call those 800 numbers, or those 976 numbers. I always thought those were bogus.

Like Jill, If I were to build mine to its full potential, I would feel guilty charging.

I am a very private person.

I won't try to read family or friends, for fear if I should see something I don't want to. This happened before.

Remember John Micheal I spoke about on another thread. I seen his death in cards I pulled on him.

For me, when I do tarots, I don't need to Quartant there. I find it just as easy or easier to read them with out them there.

My cards seem to lay out spotty, but I have to look at all of them, and the story seems to unfold and then pull together in the end.

Am I off centered?

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Kicka... your comments and questions for spotting a fraud is way to common... and truly very IMPORTANT! I could do not other then address it!

IF it helps point out those that are fradulant, fake, thiefs... the ones that give those of us that are real a bad name... I will do all I can to teach, guide, show, finger, point out ways to spot the fakes.

For the others here... I am so gald that this thread is helping so many! And for the other's here that are the real deal... I am so very pleased that you guys and gals have shared your own views and thoughts...

It is wonderful to have you all here... and for all of us to be discussing and sharing... and learning and growing together!

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The old tarrot readers from the caravans and fairsites in briton use to say cross my hand with silver ,, I wonder could this have a different interpretation from an actual payment ? originally.

A biblical thought is that Yshua complained about fortune tellers but who is really the sinner - the querant or the wise person.it is not the wise person cheating fate (lol) But I cannot ignore the risks that any form of fortune help could entrap a person into a false sence of security.there is another risk , self fufilling prophesies

 If I could add, I think we clear our inner selves, so that we are able to help others if we ask payment then we will come to have make payments ourselves -- its just a path choice. the original Gypsy people did not use a monitary system!

love n peace

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Somebody on Care 2 said- that the electromagnetic waves given of tv screens pc monitors are the same as the electricity that controls our ickle minds and the very same stuff lighntening is made from.

People fall inlove online (?) so i believe you on that one.

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I think what happens in some online love connections, is that people get to know people without superficial agents, such as skin color, racial absenses, and even faith based predjedices.

The bad part is folks can paint real beautiful pictures of themselves, and can manipulate easier.

But I do think true love can be found via internet.

If someone with a cautious eye meets someone, they usually can spot bad character by their dialog. There I think is one time your intuitiveness needs to be sharp.

Even though this fellow I met online feels right, I have my eyes wide open too. I did meet mine in person once, but it will be along time before we move on to bigger things. If he's impatient, that will come out shortly.

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Good Points Ariel.

I do think we can catch someones quality (not all the time) over the net.  Afterall, the net is full of electrical currents. Maybe this is were your intuitions played a big role.

I also think we might want something so bad, we may sacrifice our natural intuitions.

I think in my case right now, I am trying very hard to channel into mine, and STOP ignoring them.

I have had a few like yours, but 98% remained as online entities.

I had one come find me (that was creepy). He came all the way to Chicago from Oklahoma.

I get a phone call out of the blue, and it was Him telling me to look out my front window, and sure enough, he was in a very exensive car with tinted windows, parked in the lot of the fueling station across from my apartment facing my building.

I went out there to see him in person so I knew what he looked like. I even took down his plate number. He was very dark skinned, and all you saw was the whites of his eyes, and then his teeth when he smiled. 

He asked me if I'd go to a motel with him, I said "Helll NO!". Then told him to leave because I never invited him.

I used to chat with him on the phone, in Yahoo IM's as well as IM's on a Website I used to frequent called "Excite.com". It was a virtual reality chatroom site with movable avatars, and when you responded your dialog went into these cartoony like bubbles, it was real cool. Highly addictive I might add. I even chatted with him in the room itself.

But we corrosponded for a couple years before this encounter, but like you Ariel, I never felt comfortable with him, even online.

He went ballistic when I found out from another chatter he met some gal at the airport,  who flew in to meet him from Canada, and took her on a 5 state tour. He assumed I was jelous, when in fact I was more concerned about the girls safety and judgement. We got into this stupid word war. He attempted to be hurtful, but I soon put him on ignor and blocked him from all possible means of communication. Of course I had to watch my back for months cause he knew where I lived.

I think he thought, just because we were both American Indian, I would surcum to his novelty, simply cause single Native American males are scarce here. He didn't count on my reasonability.

I think my intuition went into overdrive with him, and that time I DID listen to it, and am very glad.

I'm handling this new one a bit different. He don't know where I live, and wont for a long time. All meetings will be done on my turf and in public. No hand holding, no real hugs, and definately no intimancy. Just talk, and getting to know eachother verbally. I'm in no rush.

The soulmate thing is a come on I think for net pick ups. That would I think turn on the lightbulb the minute they said that. Most true soulmates know they are soulmates, and wont express that on the first, second, or even 3rd encounter. I know I wouldn't, would you?

What do you think?

Bojana

I like happy endings. I am glad you found a good man. Bless you both.

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Ariel, please feel free to discuss what spirit moves you to discuss here It is... all about intuition!

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Don't feel guilty, we are actually (indirectly) on the subject, since Intuition deals with the pyshics ability to sense when something is or isn't right.

This added topic to the original topic is actually a demonstration of the energies we possess.

Now as for me, getting it under control is my task at hand, and if it is demonstrated by cautiousness with online relationships, I think it relates well.

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It is good when you find your soul mate from your pastlife in this 21 Century life, I was married in one of my pastlives and I have again found my husband but remember they can come back differently and not the same. I have made telepathic communications with my soulmate and know who he has changed to. It is sad that you can not just enter their life but rules are rules and they must come to you. Yes you are drawn back to your soul mate, by strong love for them but they must come to you.

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Yikes.  I'm feeling tagged even though I have had many genuine psychic experiences.  The gift may be free, but the cards/paint/reading tool, time invested, and energy invested, are not.  And it's a very rare reading that results in an equal exchange of energies. 

By agreeing to read for someone, you lay yourself open for them to draw heavily on you, risk seeing something rather traumatic, and take on a lot of responsibility emotionally that isn't there in an ordinary conversation. 

I personally would not spend $4 a minute for a reading, and I sort of winced to hear that was what people were paying, when I was on the psychic lines.  But then again, I was only getting forty cents of that, and I was there at midnight to talk, listen, and understand, when no one else was. 

Personally I have seen both extremely gifted psychics, and rather suspicious ones, at fairs, book shops, and so forth.  I trust the book shop psychics more than the psychic line ones, because they are only charging a very small amount. 

In the old days, a querent might pay with a service or by bringing crops, or a product of their work.  A farmer might bring a chicken, a cobbler might make shoes, etc....but these days, reading for a shoe salesman doesn't mean you get shoes, so I say money stands in for the original exchange. 

Don't pay more than you're comfortable paying for a reading, ever.  Psychics are like singers and artists.  Those gifts are "free," too, but most people know it's rude to demand that a band play for free, or insist a painter or photographer work for free.  I don't see psychic work as much different.  YMMV. 

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Karen M, thank you for sharing a good experience with a genuine psychic.  just because you have been written about, doesn't mean the psychic has seen that paper or even reads the paper. 

I have heard many stories of birth dates being used by frauds, but every psychic line I ever worked for, used them only to insure that the person was over 18. And I used them to do numerology and pick a Tarot significator for callers.  I've never really encountered any reader using a computer, although there are tons of computer-generated astrology and Tarot readings out there.

The main thing, IMO, is to use your intuition.  If you don't trust someone, then don't get a reading from them. 

IMO, psychic ability is a gift, but so are strong muscles, and you wouldn't expect a man to dig your garden or move your stuff for free, just because he has them and you don't. 

Everyone is psychic to some degree.  Nobody needs a reading. Nobody is going to just keel over and die if you refuse to read for them. 

All the same, I believe in doing some readings pro bono if someone feels like they need one.  And I won't read at all, if I'm sick, have a headache, or am otherwise unable to concentrate.  If I am wrong three times in a reading, I usually stop the reading and don't charge.

Does anyone else here do readings professionally sometimes? 

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Doris, so much, for answering, and I agree so much with you! 

Kicka, what you said about the cards all coming together at the end of a reading, isn't off-base. It's exactly what is supposed to happen. I don't need the querent there, either--I can do distance readings. 

C.J, your "spotting a fraud" is spot-on, but I guess the birth date thing threw me for a loop for a second. 

I have met a lot of psychics at fairs and bookstores, and some of them scare me, because of their energy, but most of them have beautiful energy and beautiful minds.

CJ, thanks for this wonderful group and letting me be here. 

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I hired one of the very few LEGITIMATE psychics in all history.

The one and only PETER HURKOS. He said,more or less,

"If you go to a psychic,don't tell them anything in advance.

Let THEM tell you the information." HURKOS was actually

a member of the BBB (Better Business Bureau). You can see

his website, www.peterhurkos.com.

I recently heard the story of an actress (who'd had many failed

romances) hiring a so-called "intuitional" psychic for personal

advice. The actress was told "she'd find love on the set". And

then proceeded to date some foreign guy somewhat different

from herself! Bad move, I'd say...because, any IDIOT could have

made such an OBVIOUS non-prediction! (If the actress had that

many failures before,the solution to her problem would be NON-

obvious....and there aren't that many Peter Hurkoses around

today! This was most likely an attempt to fleect the actress out

of money.)

So DO be careful out there. Try to get REFERENCES to anyone

claiming to be "psychic".

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BTW: Previous post about "an actress" refers to Jennifer Love

Hewitt. It's public knowledge,that she's led a very unsettled

personal-romantic life (much like her idol,the late Audrey Hepburn.)

Part of the private for-hire predictions that HURKOS made for me,

btw,could apply to Ms. Hewitt...because of a whole set of very

unlikely coincidences,and the existence of a person/set of people

who could do for her what Robert Wolders (Audrey Hepburn's

last companion) did for Ms. Hepburn. But that options's never

been used,because of lack of opportunity/showbusiness politics

in the entertainment business. But nobody has ever disproved

those predictions yet....If you want details on that,please email

me privately.My conclusions drawn from HURKOS' predictions

are controversial,compelling,but too complex for some to

follow.

On the other hand....This actress had connections with yet

another person billed as "psychic". The storyteller James van

Praagh. Now,to be fair: Mr. van Praagh,for what he does,is OK

by me: If people want to believe that he has a message from

somebody who's "crossed over",fine. But,caveat emptor on

that one,though: Because,basically,nobody's ever come back

from the dead. So,no easy way to confirm what such a "medium"

has said.(Hey,he could even be reading a person's mind!) However,

Mr. van Praagh has an excellent track record at feeling what

audiences like. This indicates some kind of real ESP

ability....Otherwise,most of his past shows would have failed,

and he still wouldn't be doing them! (An excellent book called

Executive ESP by the late Douglas Dean,mentioned that most

successful business people have "hunches" a lot of the time.)

So now,van Praagh's Ghost Whisperer is #1 on the CBS Network

in America! One wonders,though: Why did he come to hire

Jennifer Love Hewitt--who hadn't had a hit TV show in about

10 years (since "Party of Five")? And it seems that the actress'

greatest success had been with Dutch-themed projects (the

other was the highly-rated "Audrey Hepburn Story.)"

However,with that success,as I've said....one shouldn't blindly

trust all people labelled as "psychic" just because one of them

got success going! No,each person claiming to be a "psychic"

must be vetted individually! One can never be too careful

when trusting somebody with a life-changing decision...or,

for that matter, with one's hard-earned money! See if the

so-called psychic can deliver the goods!

Which also begs the question: Do all Dutch people have some kind of

above-average ESP ability? I remember HURKOS mentioning this in a

book on him, he called it "Mit der Helm geboren" (when a child is

born with some kind of a special extra skin covering their head.)

Some people theorize that the entire human race has latent ESP

ability; however, that most of us disuse it.

 One other question also remains: Can several (real) psychics'

work "cross-connect" with each other?

I hope this information is enlightening. Life is a mystery which

sometimes raises more questions than it answers;and,that's why the

human race has,throughout time,turned to mystics. But the

right answer is what we really seek.

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I am 43 and have had several long-term relationships for which I have learned a great deal regarding abuse and love.

I call my self sensitive. I have an uncanny intuitive sense for negative energy and am able to pick up on the positive feelings of others too. I can brighten most peoples day with just a smile and a kind word. I have a glow about me. I feel empathy and don't involve myself in others drama. I do have an attraction to animals. They seem to relate to me. I am their comfort zone and they are mine. It has Always been this way since my early childhood. I guess maybe it is the unconditional love.

I have always catered to science fiction or horror movies because the real life thing really used to scare me and make me cry. I have since been able to accept real life drama once I was able to learn the power of empathy.

My thought is, the more you know, the less afraid you will be. It's what you don't know that is frightening. My family does not want anything to do with the weirdies—they call them. I think that it's really too bad.

Movies like The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, The Terminator, The Matrix, The Others, Heroes, The Jetsons, Etc... have all inspired my intuition. My mind is not closed as some peoples are. I think that when your mind is open to the many situations that arise, you are better able to make a good judgment.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=11758&pst=618785 ah ah choo,

Michelle/Shell

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Recently,this actress hired a "palm reader" to see IF she should

stay together with her date du jour. But,this situation had

already been set in motion by a RANDOM meeting..."suggested"

by an "intuitionalist" psychic!

The actress musn't have been sure of the FIRST psychic,so why

use a SECOND one? Sounds like TRICKERY to get her money!!

NEVER hire a psychic who gives OBVIOUS facts back that

he/she easily could have known...or,suggests a RANDOM 

action that is NOT above chance. Rich and famous people

are often GULLIBLE TARGETS.

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James van Praagh,this actress' mentor,was recently on the "Dr. Phil" Show...and the topic was,"Fake Psychics". Dr. Phil correctly said that James van Praagh was "focussed" (getting real results) versus somebody else's experiences with a sham artist. As I recounted previously,the actress most certainly has been scammed by a couple of no-name seers...Ironically,she WASN'T EVEN IN THE STUDIO when this topic was raied on "Dr. Phil"! (JLH appeared that time via a video clip).

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I'm sure that many mystics knew this legendary psychic. bUT,nobody can learn HURKOS' "gift" (as he'd called it.) The best one could do would be a weak carbon-copy of his work! Pieter cornelius von der Hurk,was an almost one-of-a-kind psychic because of HEREDITY,ENVIRONMENT, and ACCIDENTAL CIRCUMSTANCES which made his situation remarkable. The closest I can think of replicating his efforts,would come from his son (Hurkos,Jr.) living in Holland...or,his surviving daughter Glorida...living in San Diego,if I'm correct.

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