Hi, my name is Stuart and I just joined this group.
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Welcome Mel. Nice to have you here. For the latest news about Thornborough please go on the link above it is in this group as well.
i'm new to the group but would just like to say that i live not too far from the thornborough henges and i think it is disgusting what the quarrying company want to do to our sacred site.
I visit this site as many times as i can and i also held my daughters wiccaning there as i believe in the pagan background and think of this site as being very spiritual and sacred.
Any news as of late on the Thornborough Henges would be great, if anyone know anything...
Thankyou George ,,C
for sweet and supportive words
TC with smile
Thanks for dropping in. I would just like to say how much I admire your work, you are a cherished person. I hope soon to become more supportive of what you do.
Howz life ,,'friends
Born and brought up in India ,,,graduated in civil engineering in 1986 ,, embark on global campaign for friendship and peace ,, by giving up job in 1987 . 10/30,, traveresed through the capital of landlocked 63 countries of Asia and europe ..covered around 80,000 kms with warm welcoming ,,before turning back to india in 2001 ,, realised mssing of global feelings ,,doing road show and e campaigning as a Good will ambassador of 63 countries who born and brought up in India
I wish each a Blessed New Year. I will stop-back to take in more of the Group's wonderful information. Thanks.
I am Nick and I am a biologist in the subtropics of eastern Australia. I live about 7 km as the cockatoo flies to a World Heritage Area, the 'Central Eastern Rainforest Reserve (Australia)' site. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/368
I would live IN it, but for the clearing of the rainforest a century ago. I am doing a little to get it back with some bush regeneration, tree planting, planning work and education.
Hope everyone is well and green.
Things have never been so critical for our heritage - the corps, aided by our governments are destroying our heritage in the name of Global Warming - they want it to continue!!! They must do, otherwise they would stop.
Hi everybody !
Thank you so much, george, for the invite.
That cause is very dear to my heart. I am currently living in the South of France, but have lived abroad as well and traveled and seen so many wonders I don't want to see destroyed. I have children too and feel it is my duty to keep our world for them.
Good to find a place with like-minded people.
Happy to be here.
By your answers you have a better understanding of British pre-history than most Brits!
However, my questions were loaded;
1. North Yorkshire - Thornborough Henges - three mighty henges 240m diameter each (Stonehenge is 90m diameter), all built at the same time and treated as a single site.
2. North Yorkshire - Stanwick - 550 acres - large enough to fit almost ten Maiden Castles. (For the pedants the largest Iron Age HILL fort is also in North Yorkshire - Raulston Scar).
3. North Yorkshire - The North Yorkshire Moors contain the highest number of barrows than any other region in England, North Yorkshire also has the largest burial mound in Britain.
4. East Yorkshire has the tallest Rudstone Monolith, and the second tallest is at Boroughbridge in North Yorkshire - part of the Devils Arrows stone row - so called because of the myth that the devil threw the stones at the town of Boroughbridge, saying he would "ding thee down". Remarkably, the myth has turned out to have some basis in fact; the stones originated from nearby Knaresborough - the place where the devil is alleged to have stood.
5. North Yorkshire - a second entry for the North Yorkshire Moors, which is how the the most fascinating collection of dykes of all sorts, many of whom appear to share a relationship with the barrows. In some places these appear to mark ritual ways - visiting barrows, deviating round them and connecting with pit alignments that lead up to the barrows. Others appear defensive - cutting off the entrances to valleys, others appear to be related to animal husbandry - but on a massive scale.
6. North Yorkshire - The City of York enjoys the distinction unique in Britain as being the home of an emperor.
I loaded my questions to demonstrate that there is often a huge variance between our understanding of the importance of places and the potential reality. Our knowledge of prehistory has been randomly assembled and there has never been any real effort to put the prehistoric jigsaw together on a macro scale.
As a result, many sites get far more attention, simply because they are easily accessed or understood, while others get ignored to such a point that even the profession forgets they exist.
This is one reason why Thornborough is being quarried to oblivion while we decide wether to spend £440m diverting a road around Stonehenge.
Every day our heritage is being stolen from us and the system conspires to help this process - amateur researchers that locate new sites are discouraged and their contributions are rarely put into "the record". As a result these places are often allowed to be developed any archaeological investigation.
Even when important sites are known, developers are able to quarry on a promise of archaeological investigations that rarely get published, the results are hidden from view and the finds lost to further investigation. This farce is called "preservation by record".
I realise that the problems of British Heritage are little compared to the issues faced by peoples all over the world, but right now I feel like I am one of the last of the ancient people of this land - a Brigantian - and today I learnt that rather than deter the quarrying of our ancient capital - Thornborough - our council appear to be entertaining the idea of a second quarry company taking up residence.
Ayup ! Eur theur 'avin eur nip on a'uz? Testing my knowledge, eh...? Hmmmm...Let's see...Will all those years of watching Last of the Summer Wine and reading James Herriott novels help me here....? :::grins:::
3.) Shropshire (that's probably wrong)
4.) Cornwall- The Pipers
5.) Ummmm....was THAT in Shropshire?
6.) All I can think of is Greenhead-Hadrian's Wall
So....Is 'a' gran' enuff for theur? (Heh) How did I do? What I don't know, I certainly hope to learn from this group. Thanks for putting it together. Great idea....and thanks for the star. Here's some for you and the rest of the hosts.
Tell me, which county in England has;
The largest Stone Age religious gathering place,
The largest Iron Age fort,
The most Bronze Age barrows,
The tallest standing stones,
The longest inventory of earthwork dykes,
The one time capital of Rome?
My name is Linda H and I am new to Care2 and this group. I hope I can find some way to be effective here. See ya' soon!
My name is Anu and I live in Finland.
Hi I am Diana I live about 60 miles south of Nashville Tennessee
I am very new to Care2 so I am just fumbling around right now seeing what all is here I am glad I found Care2 it seems to be a very nice place.
newbie here ready to open my heart, and mind to our world.
Hi everyone, I am here becuase I love learning more and more about the History of our land and reading historical articles.
Thank you for inviting me here.
I wish to thank World Heritage Advisor for inviting me to this great site. I'm happy to be here and will try to lend whatever best possible support I could to further its aims and objectives.
My special good wishes to all its hosts for starting such an intersting group.
i'm ramesh from cochin in india.
it is wonderful to be part of this group. i was for many years the convenor for the state of kerala for the indian national trust for art and cultural heritage ( based on the british heritage trust) and am aware of the urgent need to conserve what is left of our heritage.
Hi, I'm farely new to care2. I have two kids and one coming so perserving our hereitage has become very important to me and my hubby. We are Scottish, active members of our clan, clan donald(mid-east region). We go to many festivals and highland games year round. We are also both Native Americans, different tribes.I am chippawa and he's cherokee.We try to attend pow-wows seasonaly.I look forward to getting to know others.
Le Gach Deach Dhurachd~Crystal
Welcome to the group.
Thanks for the invitation!
This seem interesting and very important
but at the same time fun and great people!
THANK YOU GEORGE!!!
Appreciate the invite
Looking forward to learning a lot and meeting some fabulous people
I'd like to give a big to all our new members!
Irene, thanks for the invite
everyone. This is the first time I`ve actually got around to posting anything in the `World Heritage`group.
Living in the UK, it is easy to forget how much history (and prehistory) is manifested on the landscape. Stonehenge and Avebury are of course well known, and have deserved protection from indifferent development. Other sites are not so well known, or as well protected.
I did a vision quest once which culminated in a visit to the ancient Iron Age hillfort at Danebury. The result of the quest was extremely powerful, and if for no other reason, than such sacred observance and reverence of the ancestors, it would be enough for me to fight the destruction of sacred places.
Thanks George for inviting me.
I received an Invite from Gypsy B.
I think this is a wonderful Group, and am happy to join this Group!
Thank you Michelle R for the invitation, I've spotted some other old friends here as well, hopefully I'll make some new ones as well while I'm here.
Thank you for the invite George. I will try to help out as much as I can. This is a great site!
I've not introduced myself
I'm Joaquin P. from Mexico city, 32 y/o and about to study a Master in Sea science
Even though am not from the UK, i have visited some of the old powerful places.
My home of choice would be Cornwall, even though i dont live ther - yet
I am my family has many roots in all over europe. Having a hungarian father and an austrian mother, my grandparents are hungarian , but their fathers and fathers fathers come from friesland, spain, italy... so quite a mixture. Also i know what it is like to fight for your ancient places of majick. Hungary has a couple of places like that too and they are not as appreciated as they should be.
Living currently in Germany, i am surprized how much the celtic past has been forgotten around southern Germany. Very sad.
So yeah... am glad to be here...
Thanks for the invite George. I've signed most of the petitions posted on the home page, too.
for inviting......Me is here too, its time to party
AND TO ALL THE MOTHERS WHO PLAY BOTH ROLES!!
Don't forget those petitions...
Thanks for the invite! I look forward to checking over your site.
Thanks for the invite, George. Just thought I would introduce myself.
My name is Val and I live in Leesport, Pennsylvania, USA. I am planning on getting involved with my local historical society as of their next meeting at the end of the month. They are in the process of preserving a 4 room schoolhouse a little over a block from me, and also have speakers at each of their meetings.
There are many historical sites in my county, and I hope to become involved in as much preservation as possible. At some point I may take my career into that direction as well.
Right now I am also actively pursuing another one of my passions, which is animal welfare. I am also hoping to restore my 1840s home to its former glory.
I don't know how much time I will be able to devote to this group, as I have so many other causes, but I hope to at least keep up with the petitions.
As a "militant anglophile", I just could'nt say no... hehehe!
thanks George for inviting me to this group. Ssorry it has taken me so long to reply. But I am here now and what this group is doing for World Heritage looks great.
thanks for the add definatley need to preserve hertiage sites instead of letting them build things' like carparks and maccas' on them!!!
Thank you, George for the invitation. I'm known locally as The Bolshevik Tree-Hugger of Hope, NJ, for a campaign to keep a detention basin out of bog-turtle habitat. I figure, if you bring kids into this world (I have 3) you'd better fight to keep the world safe for them!
Incredible place this "connect" via "care2"! So many members! Very cool!
I joined yesterday after uploading 3 petitions on Climate Change Action, and have received 8 messages already! wow..! This message of introduction is in reply to an invite sent to me by one of the founders of this group. Seems to be the place be to encourage "like minded" people to take action on worthy causes.
My name is Anne, I have been committed to action on Climate Change for many years, and my work to date has finally culminated in the 3 petitions kindly housed by Care2 via their petition site.
They are letters of demand from the people of Australia to the Australian Government - for the development of sustainable energy supplies. However, the people and youth of all nations are welcome to sign. Please take a few seconds to sign one of these petition(s) (particularly if you are from Australia) if you agree with the wording.
You choose which petition you prefer, but please sign only ONE.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/198746899 - originating from discussions at a group i founded in Yahoo... (the Climate Change Action group) here: http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClimateChangeAction/
Petition Two: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/656940500 - originating from my 17 yo daughter, a petition with demands for those without a voting voice, the youth of our nation.
And Petition Three: (currently no signatures): http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/656940500 - this petition is the latest edition of the first petition (with wording that is a little more "professional"), a late submission by Peter from Tasmania and uploaded after the first petition was already "live".
I have also formed a new group here at Care2 on the topic of Global Climate Change Action, I hope members from this group will be interested in joining. There is currently one member (me). The group is here: http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/GlobalClimateChangeAction
I am also currently working on a Global Website on this issue and hope to upload the 11th draft version later on today (if all goes to plan) to the "www".
In the meantime, hi... and many thanks for the invite.
founder, Climate Change Action Group
.... the fate of the earth is in our hands ....
Thank you George for Introducing me to your group! I signed the latest petitions listed and I'm pleased to help any way I possibly can. I look forward to becoming an active part of this group.
Thanks so much and Hello to everyone!
finally here.. thankie for invite! IM Susan
the first impression I felt was *woah* this looks great!
Thanks for invite George, this is a subject in which i am very interested.
I wanted to thank George for inviting me to the group. And it really seems a very interisting group and it's my pleasure to join it.
Hope these links work, I tried to copy and paste them, but for some reason mozilla won't let me...so then I tried the html-thing, but I am just learning. *le sigh*
It was excavated in the 1920's by a group who didn't really know what they were doing, and it was basically destroyed.
Hello , I'm new to the group.
Thank you so much for the invite, George! I'm quite excited.
Thank you for the invite and I am happy to join. I think too many of our ancestoral places get demolished to make way for the new. I believe it's important to preserve them so we can share with future generations what life was like way back when....
Thank you for sharing the information.
Don't forget those petitions...
Don't forget to take a look at the petitions thread and the March Challenge!
This seems like a wonderful group!
I have been away from Care2 for the past couple weeks because I have been sick, however, I am slowly coming back! I look forward to reading all the discussion threads!!
Peace~love and light~
Thank you for inviting me to join this group George. I live in Australia. I am married to a Brit so I share a connection with and love of some of the places you have posted about previously.
I think its great that we have such an international membership.
Thanks for the invite George!! I certainly will try my utmost to take time to contribute
love & light
thank you for invitation i hope to have nice time here
I am Nan and glad to see you come aboard!
Thanks to George for invitation and thanks to everyone for keeping this very useful group going!
I am Nan and from Topeka, KS. You will find many friends here and make many more! Please get involved with your choice of causes. There are many here and petitions to sign! Heck you might find some recipes...noting you as a single dad with a child!
I kindof did this backwards, I posted on the thread about genocide and now I'm saying hi! I have to share time on the computer with my kids (their homeschooled), so forgive my absences, I really hope to get to know everyone, do some good, and have some fun. Have a great one! Bonnie
May your Grandfathers look back and see you, and smile.
Thanks for the invitation.
I'll try to be an active member!
George for the invitation ! am glad to be part of this group!
love to you all
Thanks for your invitation..
Thankyou for inviting meLooks like a wonderful group
You are our 2,000th member!
Hello, and thanks for the invite! This is an important topic and I hope I can find the time to do my part also. Kudos to you George for doing this!
Lyn G. in Green Bay WI.
Thanx for the invite George! It seems like a wonderful group and I cant wait to read the threads!!!
Don't forget to check out our March Challenge.
thanks for inviting me here, it seems like a good group.
Thank you for the invitation to join this group,It seems like a very good Group!
Ive already signed some petitions,very worthy indeed.
Thanks for the invite George.
This seems like a wonderful group. I am looking forward to knowing everyone, and doing my little part to help make a difference.
Love and peace to all
to the group hon
Check out my profile to get to know me better.
WOW such great people of the world.
I really wish I had found this site sooner.
Bit about me. I am a married woman with 4 kids. 2 cats. 1 dog, saved Pit Bull. 2 Red Ear Slider turtles. And one snake. Think I love nature and things that are involved with
I am married to my real life angel Gabriel (Yes that is his name)
I am active within my community because I want others to know the importance of keeping this world safe and alive. I have been called a tree huggie hippie, as an insult and I always answer with yep, and?
Again thanks for the invite. I am always intrested in the fults of the world so that way I can help fix them.
Peace and most love,
Check out the March Challenge! It has been very successful.
Hello everyone! I'm Jenn. . . Lol, Not much more to say! I look foreward to getting to know this group, and Im hoping to make some small difference. -Jenn
Don't forget those petitions!
Thankyou to George for inviting me the group. I took a long time in coming but hectic times have led to a fairly inactive period on Care2. But am now back and am looking forward to taking some positive action wthin your group.
Thanks for inviting me to this group I may be slow to be active, as there are so many problems and so little time ! But, know that my heart and soul are always aching for all people of the world to respect and appreciate diverse cultures and preserve the heritage and history of their beautiful past !
Thanks George for inviting me here.
In reading just this one thread, I have been exposed to several things of potential great interest to me.
& Believe in Magic!
Don't worry about getting my name wrong. Its good to have you aboard.
And thank You, Thomas, for the invitation! I am also a green user of Care2, but somehow I get the feeling that green is a very good colour at least in this group!
I'm a Finnish girl, who is also very concerned about the future of this beautiful planet of ours. -z
You are well I trust?
Good morning everyone and hope this finds you and yours well today...TomH
Thank you for joining the Fight to keep our Heritage Alive!
Hi!!Im Mia from Finland, glad to find you here!!
I dont want to belong to the last generation in my country whose parents and grandparents,like theirs before, tought us the wast woods of our country are our primary Shrine, filled with holy trees and lakes,spirits like gnomes, elves, guardians, Gods/Masters and Mistresses of wood,water and air.Not the last generartion whose homes are protected by gnome of the house, gnome of the sauna, and the holy Pihlaja,Rowan tree on the yard..not the last generation to celebrate midsummers eve bringing home birch-branches and making lovespells.For this, our heritage, has passed down in an unbreakable chain, in many many families its much more present in everyday tradition than the distant official church(well my family doesnt belong to churc but I dont mean to attack it here)ever was.
The heritage of our ancestors is alive in Finland, it doesnt need reviving- but it does need KEEPING.Only a generation or two ago most of our people still lived in the country amidst woods and the tradition came so naturally that maybe it was allmost invisible,lucky for us, to any that would take it away.In my childhood it still did.
But now..So many teach their children to use cellular phones by the age of seven, I hope they remember to tell them about the gnome of the house even if he lives under the electric stove.And some do, many,many do!
In my chilhood me and my friends in Vantaa used to ski over the fields to visit some holy oaks, hundreds of years old, in our neighbourhood, and bring them presents.Now some of them stand on a private golf-course, and some, by an iron age habitat, were taken down and built upon.
Sadly In the wide world even worse things,if comparison is possible, are done daily to bring down the mutual heritage of humanity and the living heritage of many peoples.
We cannot be silent anymore!So, glad to find you people,from around the world, here speaking out,becoming guardians of our Guardians in return!
Hello I am Nicky. Iam very new to Care2..Your my first group here....my freind Stormy invited me in, so here I am...lol...Always looking to shake up "The Bad Guys"...lol Look forward to meeting each of you and working together to right the wrongs of this world..
Thanks again George..
Welcome to the group. I'm glad you joined.
It is indeed terrible what we do to our planet. It is even more terrible that most of us allow ourselves to be stifled into complacency by "the system", and the system allows itself to be stifled into complacency by the corps.
Hi George and everyone else! Thanks for the invite! It really looks like a great group! Im looking forward to do what I can to help preserve so many places that need to be protected!
i'm mO* and im just finding my way around this site. i'm hoping to learn some more about this site and the people here.
I'm really into my Puerto Rican culture and heritage, so i thought i would join this discussion. Although i am technically 50% Puerto Rican (father) and 50% Irish (mother), i tend to live more in the ways of a Nuyorican. I'm a junior in high school and i'm struggling to learn more spanish, mainly because the spanish that is used in the classes is not like the spanish my family speaks... sometimes i find it hard to cope, but i deal.
Thanks for listening, I'll talk to you all in the near future.
Interesting post would love to hear more of your ancestors
Hi, thanks for the invitation. I live in Toronto, Canada and am involved in environmental issues as well as leading history and nature walks for a number of organizations. I am Metis (French/English/native). My ancestral valley is now part of a National Park and so preserved (so far) from development. The elders of my native ancestors' nations presented me with an eagle's feather, handed down through generations. I feel honoured to be able to pass the stories on, part of our heritage.
However, I know how insensitive "progress" can be and look forward to working with you to preserve heritage sites around the world. One of the joys of the Internet is that it offers greater possibilities of connecting for the common good. These outweigh all the spam and other gunk that come along with it.
Below is my "home of the heart" where my ancestors have lived for thousands of years. The photo is not mine, but from http://nsonline.com/postcards/photos/2-0034.jpg
Hi and welcome
well i could not have put it better my self
Wow, George you are a busy and dedicated man. The world needs more like you! Thanks for the invite. Sorry I was slow at signing in here.
I am African-American, born and raised in New York City. My family is from Barbados on my father's side, and Southern (Virginia) on my mother's side. I am Muslim, for the past four years. My surname is bint Abdul-Aziz, which I chose as a tribute to my late father. It means "daughter of the servant of the Mighty".
I am honored to have been invited to join this group and look forward to getting to know more about the heritage of other members.
Peace and blessings,
Karimah (generous and bountiful)
thanks George for asking me along J.
My name is Ronnie i live in Scotland my Farther is a Scott (Wallace) and my Mother Irish (Hogan) they have now retired to Wales. My surname is Dennis from the Irish (Denison)
As you can probably guess the reason i mention this is, my heritage is Celtic.
I am here because i believe that our heritage be it a building, monument, art, song or tale, is passed by us to our children
We are the children that inherited all the wonders that our ancestors created.
It is these wonders that should be preserved so the stories of old can be found and remembered and it is our responsibility to ensure our cultures are kept alive for our children. Our children can then continue the adventure started many thousands of years ago by their ancestors.
Take care all
Thankyou for the invite George.. kinda lucky I was actually reading emails today instead of deleting LOL I am overstretched on the web and trying to downsize my group memberships instead of adding to it (I am mod at too many places and struggling to juggle them all *rolls eyes*) But on reading the invite I had to accept
As a little intro, I am a 22 yr old Aussie girl, and have just been accepted into my Honours year in Archaeology ((still a lovely supprise LOL)) and am pasionate about preserving heritage sites (as well as environmental and humanitarian issues) - and when I saw this invite i just had to join... and will hopefully have enough time to dedicate some of it to here.. ((run off my feet is an understatement)) I am currently living in Townsville, North Queensland, and studying at James Cook University. Again thanks for the invite! I guess i should go and sign some petions or something LOL
Please do not forget to visit our January challenge. We are behinf target and I think we need to take ourtargets seriously if we are to make any kind of a difference!
I'm LuAnn and live in rural Kentucky with a husband, three children and six dogs.
DH claims there are Native American burial mounds and a small Civil War era cemetery on his father's farm. I've not yet seen them.
I have joined. There is a lot of heritage in England, and it is difficult to protect it all. While it is really important to be able to know how people lived their lives, we can't completely ignore the rights of people to live today.
I am not an apologist for big business, and I do want the best bits to be saved, but for my part I am getting just a little bit irritated with the number of Palladian mansions that are being preserved in all their glory. How many Victorian kitchen gardens do we need? If a building is well built and looks nice, why shouldn't it be used for something else?
The archaeological department where I got my degree makes most of its money from rescue archaeology in the City of Birmingham. We have knocked down one rundown shopping centre in the city and built another which will be just as horrible in another 30 years, but come a thousand years, someone will be marvelling at the nasty graffitti that is so popular nowadays.
A warning. When you go to Stonehenge, don't go in the shop, unless you really want to buy something. When I went, I thought I would go through the shop. It was heaving with people, and before I got home, I had caught the new flu. Yes folks, that is one of the hazards of a World Heritage site.
Sorry to sound so sour. I am in favour of saving treasures, as long as they are really treasures. As long as they tell us something, or they are so beautiful that we fall back to admire them.
Also the Tara thread is seeing daily news action so keep checking - it's quite exciting watching a court case brought against the Irish Government by a member of this group.
I'm Chelsea, I'm 14 and from NY, USA.
I am here love! Thanks! I will look around a bit tomorrow - the kiddo needs me now!
Laurie! I didn't want you to think I was overlooking you.....you added your introduction as I was working on my last welcome message.
for being a part of the group!
to our newest members, Gloria and Yazmin.
Barbara...it's nice to finally "meet" you.
John....that is wonderful....many to you!
Hi George, man I just realized I never said hello when I accepted the invite.. Hello!! I can't tell you how important this work is to me, so much has been lost from our lives so far through time that can never be recovered. We need to preserve all we can for our futures depend on the lessons of our past. So much sacred land and so many peoples have been swallowed whole and removed from our planet. So much has been lost that once was a vital part of the lives of those people who lived where these sacred stones and mounds once stood, many overtaken by the Church to quell the villagers to worship the God of Rome in the places that the Earth Spirits were once honored. Politics.....sorry.... lol
Anyway, I am happy to be here...
Hi! I've been a member for a bit, but I haven't introduced myself yet.
It breaks my heart that Heritage is vanishing all over the world at a great rate. Preserved for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years; and then, gone in a moment! Because of the greed of people, and soulless corporations. Ignorance, carelessness -- and profits. There are values other than money!
I'll do what I can. I'm big on petitions.
[I have been to Stonehenge. Have no words for it.]
Hi all and thankyou for inviting me to join your group. I live in western Canada ( Alberta ) . It looks like you have the whole world covered George. Good job. Gloria
We have passed the 900 member mark! Welcome and to all of you for joining!
Shadow...it's so good to have you here with us!
Hello everyone! Thank you so much for the invite George. I will be signing the petitions as soon as I'm finished saying Hello. My name is Dawn and I live in Pennsylvania. I believe that historical as well as sacred sites deserve to be honored and preserved. I will miss Nativeearthworks but am glad to be part of a more expanded forum. I look forward to getting to know all of you and working together to save the Worlds Heritage for my children and grandchildren to come.
one and all! Thank you for joining the fight to preserve our World Heritage.
Hi evereybody, I'm 31 y/a from Dubrovnik, town that has a history of it's own for more than a 1000 y...And I totally agree we need to do so much more in oreder to prevent profit from ruining all historical sites. " After all, only news on this Earth is history you don't know" harry Truman
Thank you George for inviting me to this group. It's a joy to know that this group aims to protect our world heritage. I will try my best to sign the latest petitions and play an active role.
Just a brief introduction here. I'm Nadiah Rosli, 21 from Malaysia. I am looking forward to get to know the great people here. Bless all of you for your care and concern and take care!
I am a 20 yr old Romanian. I may not have time to post too many topics, but I'll try to keep up with this group.
Thanks again and my best wishes to all for this year.
Best wishes to everyone in the group.
Care2 are going to provide a fix for the problem and in the meantime I have worked out how to set up my own messaging system for all group members.
I'll set up the competition then. :o)
Thanks for the invite George .. a big hi to you and to each and every member here .. from wherever you are in the world .. I may not get on here too often .. but i will be looking in now and again ..and i certainly will be posting
Take care all ..
It appears I've no way of informing all group members that it is running, other than those that keep a close eye on the group.
Given that the reason the I want to run the competition is to stimulate participation of those not quite so enthusiastic as some there seems little point in running it.
An interesting aspect of this group is it's truly international nature. I'm looking forward to some discussions regarding our own perceptions of what heritage means to us and how it should be treated. I'm sure there's a vast range of different views that we can all learn from.
Saving one thing at a time and doing it well. That was and is my aim with Thornborough. As I was explaining to a friend earlier, the case represents so much of what is wrong with heritage protection in Britain. That's why I set up TimeWatch.org.
But i realised that there's a great deal of heritage under threat, and so many groups seem to operate independently when we could learn so much by sharing, so I set up this group; so that a large number of people can be informed and help with a large number of campaigns.
Don't forget to take part in our January Challenge and don't tell anyone because it's a secret but I'm cooking up a competition for us.
Hello All and thank you George C. for inviting me to join. I have looked about and find this group to be perfect for me and my interests. I look forward to stimulating conversations and learning a bit about all of you and what this group has to offer.
I'm mary t. and live in Ohio with 10 dogs as I am a trainer/behavior junky and believe in saving one at a time as well as I can.
Again...thank you, George for the invite!
Hi to everyone from beautiful Croatia! Tx for invitation!
I'm new here. Signed the pets. A very interresting site and subject matter. Not something you think about on an everyday basis.
Sleep well America - Q.
A big to our new members! Thank you for joining.
Thanks George for the invite. I am Summerannie and I am from Melbourne in Australia. I saw on your home page there are quite a few of my friends already members here, so now I wont feel shy. lol
Thank you George for the invite to this group. I will hope to take an active part in the future.
Thanks George for the invite.
I'm Kim and looking forward to learning more about the group.
Thanks to everyone who has recently joined. I'm overwelmed to see so many here.
I think we need to start turning our good intentions into action.
Hi Folks, just got here thanks to George. Its good to see a few faces I already know and even more people who I shall have the pleasure of getting to know.
Hmm looks like Iv got some reading to do to catch up with you guys, best I go and do some.
Love and giggles
Greetings, and thanks for the invitation, George.
I am just starting my tours of the UK and Ireland after dreaming of visiting since I could read. What an adventure I'm having and how expected it is to know that greed mind-set and preservation mind-set don't have any kind of an equal distribution in the vast majority of this planet. No bell curves here.
I believe it's imperative to visit the natural treasures, which are the ancestral sites and state and national parks in the US, repeatedly as a child to hardwire a preservation mind-set. Our schools rarely take the field trips we did as children, back in the 60's and 70's at least. Our busy lifestyles impare our ability as parent's to incorporate this as well.
I look forward to learning more about preservation of our world heritage.
Thanks for the invitation. It is great to be a member of World Heritage. I may not always be online but you can count on me...
Just checking in...
Hi everyone!!! Thanks for the invitation to the group!!!
Awesome place here....I look forward to being here....
~Peace & Light~Mz.Janice~
Would like to thank Mr. George for the invitation...
I'm a newbie... hope by joining u, I can help to fulfill ur goals in here..
Thank you very much for the invite. After reading some of the replies and answers, I am very impressed with the integrity of this group. Heritage is the history of our world and should always be protected. We must never forget the point of where we began.
Jeans and boots gal,
everyone! It is wonderful to see the group growing in leaps and bounds....and to see so many people dedicated to saving the beautiful places on our planet. The more voices we have, the more we will be heard!
Happy New Year!
Happy to accept the invitation to join this group...looks awesome!
This is a big issue to me......all about respect....respect for the living as well as the dead....No one's Grandmother should be "dug up".....grrrrr
Ready for the new year and ready to make changes in this disrespecting world we live in... There are other ways to learn our cultures...
Thanks for the invite Geogre..I look forward to getting to know you all and working together to making changes to the Protecting of Scared Native Sites.
Thanks for the invit. Looking forward to be a member. Patt
Good morning everyone, I'm Carla and thank you George for the invitation.
Having a significant number of members is important, it establishes a groups credibility. It also provides a pool of potential helpers.
The new challenge is working out how to increase the level of active participation. I run another 30 groups so I know how difficult this is. At least Care2 seems to attract a "better sort" of member - one that's generally very willing to help out - the challenge is to make that as easy as possible.
Happy New Year to all!
Thank you for the invite George, if intention counts, count me in some way.It has brought me along way, wrapped with a world of others.Just browsing there is an awfully lot for me to learn!
Peace to you all
I know what you mean. Often the issues involved are complex and difficult to draw a conclusion on.
However, there are quite a number of places where the issues are far more clear cut. These places are often those that are less well published.
Take Thornborough, one of my own pet issues. This is a ritual complex built of a size and scale that it could easily have been the single largest religious meeting ground ever created in Britain. Yet it is 5,000 years old! The complex is three 240m diameter circles spread on a north south line over a mile. Running east to west -creating a "cross" is a one mile long processional way. This is even older than the henges.
Surrounding these mighty structures (remember, the stone circle at Stonehenge is only 60m wide and its henge is 90m) is all manner of other structures related to the activities happening at the henges in the Late Neolithic - Burial and ritual sites, short term camps, odd pit alignments and massive post alignments.
Yet the entire landscape surrounding these henges is being quarried for gravel - the burial sites, ritual locations and camp sites are included in this and during the last ten years or so more than 200 individual sites have been lost to the quarry,the archaeology simply recorded, often to minimal standards (if the world of archaeology had any standards that they agree on). This includes a wonderfull four horse ritual burial from the Iron Age (2,000 years ago) - testimony to the fame of the monuments at Thornborough some 3,000 years after they were built and in themselves an extremely rare and nationally important find.
For some strange reason, the quarry company and even the local planning authority seem to think that their own rules do not apply in the case of Thornborough.
For one thing, the North Yorkshire has been overproducing sand and gravel (the stuff being quarried) for as long as Nosterfield Quarry has been open and it freely admits that there is no need for additional gravel reserves.
In addition, Thornborough is not an area set out for quarrying within the local plan - technically granting Tarmac's latest quarry - Ladybridge would cause the council to seek to remove planning permission already granted for another site - that would involve complex litigation.
However, so far, the only stumbling block so far has been the potential existence of nationally important archaeology on the site - a point made by English Heritage (The UK's official watchdog) but disputed by both the developer and the county council.
It seems strange that Tarmac doubt the existence of nationally important archaeology at Ladybridge - they dug up so much of it in the field next door, but then again, they deny that any of it was nationally important - a double Mesolithic pit alignment (extremely rare on a global scale, possibly 8,000 years old), two Neolithic settlements (extremely rare), three Bronze Age burial sites, with numrous burials (similar to a known site outside 50m from the quarry - scheduled as nationally important), the list continues but I'm sure you get the thread - Thornborough was an extensive and important sacred site for more than 5,000 years, its features are comparable and in many ways more impressive than Stonehenge. The landscape surrounding it is peppered with remains.
English Heritage - the body responsible for recommending if sites should be sheduled after they are found have been unable to comment on much of these finds - it is my understanding that they were informed long after the remains were quarried.
It is also strange that the County Archaeologist also has his doubts about the potential of the archaeology at Ladybridge, but then again, he has also complained of being the last to find out about important matters. According to him, he was only informed about Tarmac's decision to quarry Ladybridge in November 2003. That was two months AFTER his department approved an investigation strategy for the site.
All in all I say Thornborough is a very worthy site for our support. Stopping the quarry will mean the couty's gravel supply will fall back to plan. In addition it will prevent a 5,000 year old site from being quarried, an act that will also destroy many acres of Yorkshires beautiful countryside.
In addition, Thornborough serves as a beacon for us all - In the UK we have rules that mean nationally important archaeology should be protected yet it is clear that some places have been subject to highly inapropriate development and that the rules that we have are subject to wide range of interpretation.
Unfortunately, it would appear that until recently these rules were only being applied in certain circumstances
I am looking forward to learning and finding ways to make a difference.
I am usually quite philosophical and spiritual, and can see the needs and realities from a more objective viewpoint. It will be a treat to find ways of being more practical, and actually become aquainted with the people who are making a difference.
Please don't forget to visit the petitions thread - every one of those is in desperate need of support.
Also, take a look at the "New Years Initiative" thread - we need more people to sign up for this or else we risk becoming a group of people that chat amongst themselves but make very little difference - we really need to start getting organised.
Thank you for the invitation to this group, I hope I can make a difference here too. It shocks me that people everywhere (of course my experience tends to be limited to the United States as I haven't the means to travel...yet) can be so cruel and judgemental towards those who are different. We all have so much to offer one another. Each person is rich in history, culture and religion and we shouldn't just be TOLERENT we should be accepting and take away some knowledge from each experience. When it comes to preserving something steeped in culture or heritage (of anyone) I'm there!
Hey everyone, have a FANTASTIC new year!
thank you, George for the invitation.
For myself, world heritage is a very timely topic as there seems to be such a rush to globalization, I fear for the loss of not only the physical "monuments" but for the loss of important traditions. I live in eastern Kentucky and have had the privilege to become involved with a group dedicated to preserving the heritage of quilting and the Clothesline of Quilts project throughout the region.
I look forward to learning more about other traditions and our shared world heritage.
Thank you very much for the invite!
I feel heritage of any culture should be protected, so this group is very wonderful to be apart of!
they should be preserved as much as possible for those who wish to visit them.
Thank you for the invite.
We are Humanity, and we recently invented every city, nation, religion, machine, medicine, surgery and solution that ever existed on earth.... and every problem.
We are Alive. We are Temporary. But everything we do, and don't do, is Forever.
May we do Good.
Because ''Power'' Corrupts, therefore, all Living Things will have to protect Creation from these recently fabricated Dead Borders and Beliefs that seek ''Dominion'' over the Earth, until Humanity can regain control over their warring and greedy rulers.
A God once said, ''It is Good.''
Don't let feuding nations and religions teach your children otherwise.
Thanks for the introduction and for leading me to this group. Peace and best wishes to everyone for the holiday period and hope you all find what you want in the new Year.
Welcome aboard Carol.
Whilst we have a long way to go, we are definately getting organised on this.
If you hear of any heritage threats that have not been covered here, please post them to the group.
Glad to be asked to join, I feel strongly about our heritage being taken from us.
Let's try and preserve some of our past for the future.
Yes welcome aboard Dorothy.
If you want to get more involved send me a friend request. But I warn you, I ask my friends to do things like email politicians etc.
Hello and to the group, Dorothy!
George...I don't think I could have said it better myself.
Welcome Richard. I entirely agree. It is my hope that we can form such a team here and I'd welcome your thoughts on how it could be formed and what sort of things it could do.
Here's my thoughts.
I believe we first of all need to hit "critical mass" with regards to our membership - enough people so that the group can sustain activity easily. Not sure when this would be but I think that time is very soon.
Probably the most important thing for a heritage campaign is publicity - through this campaigns gain support and those perpetrating the threat get to feel the pressure of public scrutiny.
I think we should work towards seeing how we can generate publicity and wareness of campaigns. One of my thoughts is for us to hold a vote and choose a campaign to "adopt" each month.
Then for that month, we shall measure ourselves in terms of how many letters and articles we get published and any other positive actions we think count, including petition signatures.
That way, we limit ourselves to short term bursts of energy on a variety of topics. I think this sort of thing is well suited to Care2 and could easily build up to more protracted activities.
This way, we get to be a "swat team" for existing campaigns that could well be bogged down with other campaign issues.
My experience of online groups is that there is a maximum amount of work that a group of any size can do - it does not matter how many members you have there is a limit to the number of people engaged in conversations etc. So in my view we should try to keep World Heritage Alert as a central news and views hub with regular "action-athon's" aimed at supporting specific campaigns or issues (i.e. sites under threat that do not already have a campaign group).
If we find ourselves getting in too deep on an issue, we should spawn off a group to focus on that one issue and build a dedicated team.
Similarly, where we choose to adopt a campaign for a month, that group, be they within Care2 or not will not only get additional publicity and public attention, but they will also benefit from a wider number of informed supporters that would hopefully translate into volunteers for them.
Thanks for the invite. I am the author of The Dynamic Great Lakes, a book about ecological changes in the world's greatest freshwater system. There is a lot to protect. These lakes were formed by Ice Age glaciers and their meltwater. The sand dunes, some of the best in the world, have been exploited. Now people are working to save what we have left of them. I have been speaking out at federal, state and local meetings concerning legislation to preserve the Great Lakes. If we don't act now, there will not be much left of them.
Barbara Spring, author of The Dynamic Great Lakes
Thanks so much for your post. It's really good to hear other peoples experiences and feelings. There is a place in England called Uffington which has a famous white horse hill-figure. This was the place of my first experience similar to yours. It caught me completely by surprise as I was an entirely casual visitor dragged their by my girlfriend. Yet I had an experience as emotional as yours - it was like discovering a part of yourself that you did not know existed.
The English language has one of the largest vocabularies in the world yet we have surprisingly few words that describe these sorts of feelings and the almost physical connection we have with these sites. This is not merely heritage to me, it is a fundamental part of my concept of me - to see these sites being lost on such a large scale and often without a word in the press hurts me deeply.
It is such a shame that we in the UK have lost so much or our cultural heritage that all we can do is use these places as tourist centres and in doing so we often ruin more of the site and remove that personal connection opportunity for so many people.
The Best time of my life so far was two visits to Stonehenge in 2001. The first a rainy, windy, cold day on the outskirts of the monument. I was happy for the rain, because no one could see th tears of joy streaming down my face.
Second trip to Stonehenge was a limited tour where we were allowed inside the Sacred Site and able to actually touch the stones.
Again, tears were streaming down my face and I couldn't hide that fact as it was a beautiful evening.
Our tour guide, 'Marvelous Murray', took me aside to make sure I was all right. When I told him that I was just so happy that I had no words, he said, "You must have been here in a past life". I think he's right. One day I hope to explore that.
Meanwhile, we must protect all of our ancient and Sacred Sites.
Without knowledge our past, we won't have much of future.
Sorry for rambling.
May you walk the Path of Beauty forever,
Thanks for joining Dawn and eneryone else who has joined recently.
Dawna Raven Sky
Arlene... I definitely agree...this group was a great idea.
to George for creating it!
I've sent out some more invites, so, hopefully, we'll have some more friends joining us soon.
It's great to see the group continue to grow. There are so many places in the world that need to be protected and preserved and every voice counts.
Hi John and the other new members. Welcome to the group.
Last night I was privilaged to spend the evening with the Nine Ladies campaign group at their squat in the woods surrounding Nine Ladies stone circle. Considering next week is their sixth anniversary on site, I was very impressed with the continued determination to succeed. And it looks like they are close to achieving their goal.
Clearly, a bunch of people squatting in woods for six years have lacked a lot of facilities most of us take forgranted. I was wondering if there was anything we could do for them as a thank you present.
Few people can claim the same level of commitment. I wonder if we could collect some money and buy them some gifts? I notice, coming up for the winter period they lack solar power, lighting, wind up torches, sleeping bags etc. I have a paypal account. If anyone wishes to send them a donation please email me on email@example.com.
Thank you George for inviting me to this wonderful Group. I just joined. I want to learn from everyone of you a lot of things.
John Huh from Seoul, South Korea
George...well, thank you for the kind words.
Tawna, you are doing a superb job. I think we should set up a campaign to allow daily stars for special people! But then you'd be deleting emails all day.
Isabel! So glad you could join us.
It's a big day for Thornborough Henges tomorrow. The council planning committee meet to decide on the current quarry application at Ladybridge. This is a site that is an integral part of the henges monument complex - it is one of a very small number of settlement sites linked to henges so far found in Britain and as such its long term future is critical to our understanding of the British Neolithic period.
Throughout the campaign, we have made the following points:
1. The site is nationally important and should be preserved in situ in accordance with council planning rules.
2. The county is over-producing gravel and therefore this quarry site is not needed.
3. Several aspects of the application are contrary to fundamental council planning rules, including its location, the impact of a nationally important archaeological site and the loss of important aggricultural land.
Last week, the council planning officers, who advise the planning committee produced their advice for the committee and they have agreed with us 100% - they have recommended the application be refused.
We are therefore hoping that Tuesday will be a day of celebration.
However, regardless of the decision, this will not be the end of the matter. The developer, Tarmac Northern Ltd have shown that they are determined to quarry where they like, and since they are part of the largest mining company in the world - Anglo American Plc, they have lots of money, lots of lobbying power and the the ability to call in the worlds best legal staff.
If the application is turned down, expect an appeal from the quarry company.