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Romney Had A Good Super Tuesday
2 years ago

that event was wonderful and I enjoyed every second.  Crowded beyond belief; tons of secret service and boston police, you had to be photo id to get in and then wear a band to get through the 3rd floor ballroom and lobby.    He had sliders hot dogs and cheeseburgers, my favortite food and giant hand made hot pretzels.  Cash bar which was pricey. 

 

It was Westin Hotel in copley place, the same where Craig's list medical student killed masseuse and robbed others.  Really safe last nite.  I hope I can go to the big one in Nov.  lots of press there.  All age groups from very young, toddlers with young moms to great grandmothers.  It was really nice to see diversity.  I would say definately more young people in their 20s and early 30s though.

 

Mitt and anne romney came in at 9:30 both spoke and mitt wants smaller govt. shrink federal and give more power to states.  Anne talked about MS and said to everyone, never give up your dreams.

 

Russian Tv there and Chinese television also.  They interviewed mature people, what I refer to as myself (age wise).   I got interviewed by Russian Tv and they asked me why Mitt, what is most important change americans want and what is the biggest issue.  Economy and they agreed as I chatted with them too.  The world is very concerned about USA going belly up and becoming Greece. 

 

I think the Russians asked me because of my jacket, they love fur, Russians always wear mink and fur hats, etc.  I don't care I love that jacket, I will post picture and I bought it out of Missouri, great store there.  Peta people do atrocious things also with animals so I am not a great lover of peta.  I never took my jacket off, it is the nicest thing I ever bought in clothes.

 

 

2 years ago

 

 

the leather close up which is soft and the lining is exquisite, dark green satin.

I never got a bargain like this in my life, you could never buy this anywere here for that money including shipping.

 

And, I am budget conscioius, not a clothes horse at all.  I had all used leather jackets before from Am Vets and Ebay, nice but nothing like this one...

If anyone is interested in teh seller, let me know.  As I said, Peta is no bargain.

 

Mother always told me: fine feathers make fine birds,   for sure!

 

Also, Peta kills animals which could be adopted thinking they are doing right thing with animal population control and death better than possible abuse.  They are weird.

I dealt with a Peta maniac who had small dog euthanized and I reported him to the top of the Humane Society in MA and I demanded why, what the heck are they doing.  I also was going public with tv coverage on them; they backed down.



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The Lining and the Fur collar is DETACHABLE
2 years ago

2 years ago

There is a ONE YEAR Warranty on their jackets, never had that before when I bought anything.  His price jumped to $399, I got it for $159 and orig. price is $1200.

I love a bargain and this certainly was, the bargain for my lifetime.

 

2 years ago

 

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2 years ago

Is that you in the picture, Sheila?  Nice jacket.  And you are quite attractive if that is you. If it is not you, the jacket is still nice looking.

2 years ago

That is so so not cool Christian. 

 

I guess from the background that this picture is from the catalogue through which you purchased your garment.

2 years ago

 

If that's from a catalogue, they need a better photographer. The first photo isn't even 100% in focus.

 

2 years ago

 

I wonder how any of this will get EBT recipients fed, now that some states have drastically cut benefits.

 

Pretty coat!
2 years ago

Looks good on you, SL.

Or ...
2 years ago

If that's not you ... it looks good on the person in the catalog. I'm sure it looks good on you, too.

2 years ago

Not me, I wish I looked as young and attractive as her, Christian you take the haldol and zyprexa, I am sure you are on meds anyway. speak for yourself, Christian.  You are a little man with a little life and I won't go further.

 

that place is in Missouri and was on Channel 5 in Missouri, they have the highest quality merchandise I have ever seen.

 

I am not vain, I do believe the Russians stopped me because they liked the jacket.

They were awsome and I did notice they interviewed a couple of people, me and two men who were all mature in age.   It is from their catalogue and they have tons of different leather styles and the collars are detachable for those who won't wear fur.

 

For Gods sake, my mother wore mink hats and I have them in the closet.

I would never part with her hats and she was a great animal lover.

Peta is a whole other story and I had my run in with a Peta imbecile. 

2 years ago

The young woman probably works for Bergamo and they photograph her in every single jacket and coat.  That is usual for furriers, they have their own inside employee.

 

She is lovely and I wish I looked like her.

The jacket is stunning and probably why I got stopped by the Russians, they were nice younger men in their late 30s.  Great job to travel to USA to follow elections, Russian and China are concerned about what is going on.  The chinese news media interviewed a few people who were older than me. 

 

 

2 years ago

Oh, the only way I am eccentric and that best describes me is .... to let my fresh dogs steal the new breakfast biscuits bel vita and won't eat new purina cookies beneful baked delights cheese snacks and shortbread, bacon and cheese ones too.  I am eating those, they are darn good. 

 

They seem to want me to eat first before they eat.

Is that weird, now I know I am off on a tangent but this thread is not serious anyway. 

 

Rather than insinuate I am crazy, stupid like you always do Christian.  I am eccentric individual who loves animals and recently accussed of being too kind to mental patients I care for.  So, if that is the worst thing about me, who cares.

 

People who stoop low and constantly attack on these sites, have major issues themselves and I will not go any further than this statement.   Life is too short and I cannot be bothered with wasting my time.  you never know when it all ends.



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2 years ago

 

I'm sorry, I must be missing something. How does this Mitt Romney event and that jacket help EBT recipients to eat after their benefts have been cut by the states?

 

People on disability were just given a tiny cost of living increase (less than $40) which pushed them into a margin that resulted in their EBT amount being cut by more than $40 and their Medicaid being taken away entirely which means that now their disability benefits will be docked by over $100 a month to pay for their Medicare which Medicaid used to cover.

 

In case you missed the math, that means because of a tiny cost of living increase of less than $40, they now get over $150 less a month to live on while their monthly bills and rent have gone up as well as food costs in general. They now make less than they need just to survive without anything else.

 

Again, I ask: How will this Mitt Romney event and that jacket help EBT recipients on disability to buy food and pay their rent every month?

 



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2 years ago

 

What are Mitt Romney's plans to deal with the recent cuts to EBT recipients on disability who are now unable to survive on the lower amount they now get?

 

2 years ago

 

Do you have a non-jacket-related answer for us, Sheila?

 

2 years ago

Well, Christian, they obviously won't be able to get a great deal on one of tthose jackets from Missouri. 

2 years ago

 

To say the least.

 

Just wondering what Sheila has to say. Sheila was at the event, I wasn't, so perhaps she has some insight that I don't as to what Romney plans to do about EBT recipients on disability who are struggling to survive after these recents cuts.

 

2 years ago

 

Specifically, what are Romney's step-by-step plans on this issue?

 

2 years ago

 

Am I hearing the very rare sound of crickets from Sheila? 

 

2 years ago

the thread was about the event and NOT EBT.

Put up a thread on EBT, this is a fun thread about a fun event.

 

I was also interviewed by a liberal blog site and that was tape recorded only.

He flipped when I said I was always a democrat til last month and was former Obama supporter.  They HATE it when you start talking the truth, yep, why are more and more people on entitlements today.  The phoney unemployment numbers and the fact this president is outspending any one of his predecessors historically.

 

I don't know about EBT, I never in my life collected food stamps or welfare from this state.  I worked since I was 15 yrs. old, got two college degrees, one in pschology from a private university and another in nursing/biology from a state school.

 

I pay my own way, I don't get support from the government in the form of soc.sec.disability.  I will apply again because I find I cannot sustain working full time; it is too much for me. 

 

I am giving them access to all my doctors, medicalizations, etc. for total review again.  They should be doing that with everyone anyway.  If they say NO, then I work til I am able to get my soc. security and then cut down my work hrs.

 

I will have to work til the day I die, I cannot afford to pay the heavy taxes here.

And what I buy, how I buy it ... is my business.  If I take loans out, that is what I do and I am solely responsible for all of it. 

 

I dont want EBT I also don't think it is right about paying for birth control pills in the amt. of 3000 a year when they are FREE at every PP clinic all over the country.

When does the entitlements stop for the freeloaders.

 

Don't you f'n dare refer to me as a freeloader, I work like a dog sometimes and I put myself in dangerous situations.

2 years ago

Anyone on disability and social security can supplement their money to survive by WORKING under federal guidelines and reporting your earnings to the local office at all times.  If you go over, you pay every penny back to the government.

 

You are clueless sometimes.   I see arseholes on welfare driving Mercedes SUVs and I know they are drug pushers for a fact.  Like I am going to make the call, are you kidding me.  The govt. ss office knows they are being scammed by many and I reminded them myself.  I had long conversation with Ms. Ruby C. from Jamaica NY about the fraud.  That is their problem to get their act together.  I have NOTHING to hide, I did nor do I take anything from the govt. that is suppossed to go to poor people.  I have never done that nor will I start now.

 

Hard work is good for the soul.   

2 years ago

This was a thread for fun and now it gets ugly.

Same old shyte from the same people, what else is new?

 

Everyone here should be grateful you don't have the problems I see with patients.

People who abuse their minds nad bodies with heroin, cocaine, alcohol are not able to face reality.  Their pain is too great; but I lead a group last week and reminded eveyone; life is not a bowl of cherries, it is not sweet, there are far more bitter and hard days than there ever will be sweet one.

 

No  one is exempt from hard times, bad times, etc.  there is some darkness that affects everyone and no one has the right to judge unless they walk a mile in your shoes.

2 years ago

If Mitt becomes president, I hope he does NOT do that foolish crap he did here, buy cars for mothers on EBT and welfare and pay their insurance to boot.

 

That is going way too far, I hope he learned somethign being governor.  I am far more liberal than Mitt Romney will ever be as I was a lifetime democrat and I was radical in my youth. 

 

I don't go along with that foolishness, buying cars, houses and paying the insurance.

They will never have incentives to go and get a job and support themsleves. 

There are parasites in this society.

Parasites work well in nature when they are symbiotic but not the case with human beings.

2 years ago

"He flipped when I said I was always a democrat til last month and was former Obama supporter.  They HATE it when you start talking the truth,"

 

Truth?  

2 years ago

My older sister works to supplement her social security and she is in her 70s, bad back and all.  She takes oxycontin to get through the pain but does not accept EBT or state welfare to supplement herself.

 

She can walk, she is not immobilized by the back pain and I want her to have surgery but she won't as she had 2 before a long time ago. 

 

She is afraid; she doesn't live here in MA but in FL.  There is the best hospital down there called MAYO in Jacksonville, which is world reknowned for orthopedics.

 

She recently got laid off from her job as a salesperson in a jewelry store and she was on her feet all day and had to lock trays of gold and diamonds in safe. 

She wishes she could still be there; but there are very few jobs in FL. 

There are very few jobs available for Americans today.

She applied at the new grocery store to cashier and did not get it as there were hundreds applying and of course, they took the younger ones.

 

Obama is no bargain, our country is not good and listening to the lies of MSNBC and the main stream media is one big joke.  It is a tragedy if people believe their lies. 

2 years ago

 

<<I see arseholes on welfare driving Mercedes SUVs and I know they are drug pushers for a fact.>>

 

Okay, so what about the EBT recipients on disability who are not drug pushers and who don't drive Mercedes SUVs, whose benefits have been cut to levels below what they need to survive?

 

I wasn't asking about the drug pushers, I was asking about the other people.

 

So again I ask: What is Mitt Romney's plan to deal with the EBT recipients whose benefits have recently been cut to below survival levels?

 

2 years ago

they can get off their arses and work like I do and my sister does and many many more to supplement their incomes and pay bills.

 

They are just too used to getting way too many entitlements and they don't want to leave the TV or computer; that is their problem.

 

Mitt wants to create more jobs for these folks so they can understand what it means to be an independent individual who does not suck off the federal government, state, etc.  There are far too many of these lazy fools out there.  ONly if you cannot work at all and believe me I know people who do just about anything to make ends meet without sucking off the government.  Women who make arts and crafts, crochet, etc. you can sell your wares on Etsy's, Ebay, and the Animal Site who also pays vendors, artists and uses some of the profits to feed animals in shelters.

 

Babysit, shop for the elderly, work at the Veterans Homeless Shelters, etc.

There are plenty of things that can be done.

But too many want to sit back on their big fat arses all day and play on the tv or computer and expect Uncle Sam to foot their bills.

 

Mitt better cut the crap like buying the cars, STUPID thing to do. 

2 years ago

Christian, what are any of the candidates going to do about EBT recipients?  NADA.

2 years ago

 

<<they can get off their arses and work like I do and my sister does and many many more to supplement their incomes and pay bills.>>

 

But I was talking about the disabled who are not able to work. I'm pretty sure I made myself clear about that. Not to mention that people on disability and the EBT program are not able to supplement their income, because if they do, some or all their benefits will be taken away, depending.

 

So was that what Mitt Romney said at that event? He said for the disabled on the EBT program to "get off their arses and work"? Did he actually say that? That is his plan?

 

I don't know, Sheila, because you were there and I wasn't.

 

2 years ago

 

I think it should be noted that selling items on eBay, Etsy or other sites leaves a money trail. When one is on permanent government assistance, one's bank account is monitored, and any monies above and beyond the monthly disability deposits, say through PayPal transfers or cheques, will raise a red flag, most likely resulting in prosecution and loss of benefits for those who are caught.

 

 

2 years ago

yep Nancy:  the truth that this country is in serious economic trouble with Pres. Obama who has NO plans but to further spend a couple or more trillion dollars, easy enuf to do as they print it up.  Our dollar will devalue more and more and that is when the real recession kicks in.

 

This is a bandaid approach Obama put the country in and it is close to coming off and the problems hidden by the bandaid are going to erupt like a virus or a disease that goes rampant.  Too many people pay NOTHING and get total support from the fed. govt.  Do you think taxing the rich is going to pay off the debt, pay off China and support the freeloaders?   dream on, that is the truth.  

 

The liberals want a global society, America be part of the Euro.  Notice Great Britain doesn't join, they want to maintain their own individual currency and address their own problems.  They don't even like the road they went down that their labor party pushed them into.  Conservatives in England are turning things around; but they were far more a class system than America.

 

I live in a progressive liberal state and believe me, more people are seeing through the mess and the pendulum is starting to swing back to a more conservative approach.   The screwballs here will always be nuts and I put up pics of them at the Statehouse trying to get sex operations for prisoners who transgressed against society and use their lame brain excuse :  I was born in wrong body.  Bull shyte, you robbed, assaulted, etc. because you wanted to, they are sociopaths and giving them a whole new identity via a sex change is not going to change their value system.

 

They fool a lot of people who are dumb enuf to buy into their silliness.

This liberal agenda is crazy stuff now; they better lay off the innocent kids in schools and that is why more and more parents here are right on top of the school systems.

I don't blame them one bit; nuts are everywere today.

2 years ago

 

Sounds like you don't have a true grasp of reality, Sheila, which is why it is now even more imperative that you remember exactly what Mitt Romney had to say about his plans regarding disabled EBT recipients and the recent cuts that now affect their ability to survive.

 

What were those plans, Sheila?

 

2 years ago

Barney Frank is one great example, he is one of the culprits for Fannie Mae Freddie Mac housing loans that bellied up.

 

Barney Frank shocked me yrs. ago when his lover was using his D.C. penthouse in Georgetown as a prostitution brothel for men ... I found this sick and perverted.

I never voted for him; he has no morals, never did.  How people in his district kept him in office is beyond my comprehension.  But, am I surprised that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac happened and this same Barney frank took it upon himslef along with Sen. Dodd from CT (now gone) to revamp Wall St. and the Banks.  ARe you f'n kidding me, these guys.  No wonder Mitt Romney is being taken seriously and this president is one joke.  Don't go bashing all the businesses when these jokers : frank and Dodd brought down the housing market and then think they can reform Wall st. and the banking industry.    How:  are they going to crash it; I suspect that is what is being done. 

2 years ago

 

You just completely avoided the question.

 

I guess I have my answer on what Mitt Romney's plans are.

 

2 years ago

"This is a bandaid approach Obama put the country in and it is close to coming off and the problems hidden by the bandaid are going to erupt like a virus or a disease that goes rampant."

 

I think we have had a bandaid approach at least since the 60s.

 

It just depends on what color bandaid. 

 

"Too many people pay NOTHING and get total support from the fed. govt."

 

Yeah seriously.  My niece and her kids who can't even afford rent (despite working two josb ands selling mary Kay and just about anything else she can get her hands on) actually get their tax dollars back. 

 

Man, they sure scam the system don't they.

2 years ago

I gave you an answser, he is going to create jobs .....

get people off entitlements, learn to be independent, WORK.

 

Not like Obama.   he wants to decrease teh size of the fed. govt and give teh states more power and strength to take care of their citizens.

 

You don't read, I guess.  Obama has NO plan but to print more money so he can give more federal dollars to more green companies he handpicks.  He has no intentions of cutting the oil prices at the pump.   I just paid 3.76 a gallon today to fill my car.

 

that was the cheaper stuff, it was 4.01 for premium.  I expect NOTHING from Obama but more of the same and I expect it to get worse.

 

I am tired of all these insipid people like Frank, Pelosi, Boxer to name a few.

Frank is not running because he will never get back in, he sees the handwriting on the wall.  He is getting married to his new beau who grows pot.

 

 

2 years ago

Nancy:  not everyone scams the system but plenty sure do.  that is the problem; the parasites.  I feel bad for some people who have it hard; but don't have too many kids which you cannot afford either.

 

I have been poor in my life and I have had it easy as well.  I am in neither today because I learned from my experiences.  I have NO one to support me but ME.

I do have a house which is paid for and I can take loans out against it; but I have to pay monthly payments back at interest. 

 

I don't want to hear sob stories, I have my own.

As I said, if I want to reward me that is my business.  I am not scamming the system, robbing Peter to pay Paul either. 

 

People make their own beds and they some never learn how to make a bed.

Some people live like groundhog day, they don't evaluate or think and that is too bad.  But, if you cannot learn from your mistakes, then what can you learn from? 

Hmmm ...
2 years ago

I gave you an answser, he is going to create jobs .....
get people off entitlements, learn to be independent, WORK.


Isn't this the sort of drek that ALL politicians promise? I could swear ...

 

 

2 years ago

But some people are disabled - returning vets, for example.  They need assistance often when they return.  Thousands of male and female veterans of war are homeless because they are too traumatized to return home.  

 

What about the disabled?  Who is there to assist them?  Social Services should exist for them. 

 

And then there's the fastest growing group of homeless people in America - single mothers with children. Do we turn our backs on them?  

2 years ago

 

<<I gave you an answser, he is going to create jobs .....

get people off entitlements, learn to be independent, WORK.>>

 

But I'm asking about people on disability who can't work. I thought I made that very clear at least several times.

 

I wasn't asking about able-bodied people who are able to work.

 

I wasn't asking about drug dealers who drive SUVs.

 

I wasn't asking about welfare moms who spit out more babies to collect more assistance.

 

You keep bringing those people up as examples of why not to help people who need help while simultaneously side-stepping my question altogether.

 

I was asking about people in wheelchairs or scooters, or people who have sustained massive head or spinal injuries, or people who have lost limbs due to accident or disease, or people who are disabled for other reasons. People who worked for years and paid into the system, and who are now unable to work for whatever reason and who have to depend on a very small, fixed income plus a small extra amount of food assistance from the SNAP program in the form of an EBT card while all their living expenses rise at a steady rate every year, over and above their fixed income. People who are drowning through no fault of their own.

 

Disabled people, without children, collecting disability and who are on the EBT program.


I didn't ask about anyone else.

 

Tell me Sheila: What did Mitt Romney have to say about what he plans to do to assist the abovementioned disabled people whose benefits have just been cut to below the bone?

 

Why don't you cut the sh¡t for once and tell us?

 



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2 years ago

 

<< ... he is going to create jobs .....>>

 

Is he now? And what jobs has a US President ever created? I thought private companies were the ones who hired people to do work.

 

Explain how Mitt Romney would create jobs. What jobs, and where?

 

 

2 years ago

 

You're not referring to his statement from last week that if people want college educations, they should join the military, are you?

 

Are these military jobs you're talking about?

 

Wow ... that's cold ...
2 years ago

Nancy:  not everyone scams the system but plenty sure do.  that is the problem; the parasites.  I feel bad for some people who have it hard; but don't have too many kids which you cannot afford either.

 

I have been poor in my life and I have had it easy as well.  I am in neither today because I learned from my experiences.  I have NO one to support me but ME.

I do have a house which is paid for and I can take loans out against it; but I have to pay monthly payments back at interest. 

 

I don't want to hear sob stories, I have my own.

As I said, if I want to reward me that is my business.  I am not scamming the system, robbing Peter to pay Paul either. 

 

People make their own beds and they some never learn how to make a bed.

Some people live like groundhog day, they don't evaluate or think and that is too bad.  But, if you cannot learn from your mistakes, then what can you learn from? 

 

Honestly, I would think that you, having been "there" yourself, would have a little more compassion.

 

Or maybe you think that because you were able to get out of the hole everyone else should be able to do the same? 

 

Made their own beds? 

 

Do you really think that people who are sh1t out of luck choose to be poor, unemployed, hungry, and on the street? 

Sure ... there are people scamming the system and foolish people who have gotten in over their heads due to foolish spending ... whatever ...

 

So, then, because these people exist, that is supposed to be some sort of justification for not helping out Americans who need it? 

 

That's fukked up. 

 

That's why I ask ...
2 years ago

How are jobs going to be created?  Employers already get WOTC and other credits ... and they're still laying off workers. 

 

How's he going to accomplish this miraculous feat? 

 

I mean ...
2 years ago

that's not WHY I ask ... I just ask. 

 

SL ... you said ...
2 years ago

No  one is exempt from hard times, bad times, etc.  there is some darkness that affects everyone and no one has the right to judge unless they walk a mile in your shoes.

 

Really? 

 

Ugh ...
2 years ago

Just.

 

2 years ago

 

"Nancy:  not everyone scams the system but plenty sure do.  that is the problem; the parasites.  I feel bad for some people who have it hard; but don't have too many kids which you cannot afford either."

 

I had indicated that my niece cannot afford rent.  Hse sepnt a winter with two kids living in someone's garage.  She broke her arm and couldn't get much in the way of medical treatment.  All while trying to keep her kids safe from an abusive husband and father. 

 

Yeah,. thing were great for five years.  Then they went south.  When she had kids, she COULD afford them. 

 

So for give the f*ck out of me for caring.

 

 

 

I see you live in Back Bay.  I DO feel sorry for you.  And for your fox and leather jacket.

 

Once her son was out of diapers, he spent three years wearing his older sisters underwear because they couldn't afford to buy boy pants.  I know give him boy underwear for Christmas.

 

 

 

 



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2 years ago

Sorry to say that good old Mitt is  going to hold the globalists line, just like he is told to.

 

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The "greatest country on earth" and its spending priorities
2 years ago

 

2 years ago

Nancy, sometimes it just doesn't pay to share truly personal matters that bring you down.  I regret sharing some shyte here recently, just because in my real life I don't share on such a personal level.  It is even worse when you get responses to sharing hard stuff that are less than adequate or compassionate.  To each his own.

 

I don't know what many of the answers are anymore, as if, I ever did.  Everyone has their own set of difficulties.  I guess we just must carry on as best as we can.

2 years ago
Lottery winner on food stamps even after $1 million jackpot

Amanda Clayton (Local4)People love stories about someone winning the lottery and then giving the money away. They're less likely to feel fondly about Amanda Clayton, who won $1 million in the Michigan State Lottery but is still collecting food stamps.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't, I thought maybe it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton, 24, told Local 4 news in Detroit.

Back in December, a woman in Washington State fell under scrutiny when it was revealed she was receiving state economic benefits even though she lives in a $1 million waterfront home on Lake Washington.

 

Clayton, who says she owns two homes and a new car, receives $200 a month in food assistance from the state-issued Michigan Bridge Card, which is meant to benefit lower-income residents in the nation's eigth most economically depressed state.

Twenty-five percent of Michigan's residents receive some form of food assistance from the state. The state's unemployment rate is 9.3 percent, more than a full point above the national average, but has



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/michigan-woman-still-collecting-food-stamps-winning-1-201751693.html



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2 years ago

There are too many Amanda Claytons out there; believe me, she is one of many scamming the food stamp system.

 

Veterans are getting care and they do get disability checks from the VA which they deserve.

 

People can supplement their SSDI by working so many hours per month, the government knows people cannot subside on these monthly payments alone.

 

People can supplement Social Security the same way.

To collect food stamps, is the personal choice of some who really may need assistance or not. 

 

There is way too much dishonesty these days.

That is my final statement on this subject.

People do what they need to do, I have to take care of myself and I help others when I can. 

What kind of charity works do people do here, just curious. 

2 years ago


How does that address the people on disability receiving EBT benefits who have just gotten their benefits cut to below levels they need just to survive?

 

 

You haven't answered that question.

 

2 years ago

Sheila, not all people want help and not all people can make it without some.  Yes, there are those that take advantage and in a sense they take not only resources away from those in need, but they also take their dignity because it creates attitudes in others that they did it to themselves or they deserve what they get in life somehow.

 

There are many people who rely on help who I imagine would give just about anything not to have to.  There is a lose of pride and selfworth for many. 

 

So yeah, the takers and users suck, but what about those who don't suck.

2 years ago

 

<<People can supplement their SSDI by working so many hours per month, the government knows people cannot subside on these monthly payments alone.>>

 

And as soon as they do, their Medicaid and EBT credits are taken away, leaving them no further ahead than if they did not attempt to suppliment their income.

 

Jesus H Christ, Sheila. What you don't know about how the system works would fill the Grand Fukking Canyon.

 

2 years ago

 

Both Sheila and the media are so out of touch, they're both referring to the refillable plastic EBT debit cards as "food stamps."

 

2 years ago

I know maybe they should all work illegally under the table, beat the taxes and the IRS and the paper trail the jobs leave behind.   Yup, that's what all those freeloaders should do.

2 years ago

 

Why does Sheila keep avoiding the question and the subject?

 

Why does Sheila keep regaling us with tales and anecdotes of scammers instead of simply answering the question of what is to be done about the legitimately disabled people who require EBT cards to live and who just got their benefits cut to levels below what they need just to exist?

 

2 years ago

I can't speak for others.

 

I am not personally aware of the details of any of this.  It would seem from what you have said that one small benefit puts you over the top so you lose a bigger benefit.  Which didn't make you live large in the first place.

 

It's always that way one hand takes from the other in a more harmful way. 

 

I know not all who need this assistance want their lives to be this way.  I don't think some people can realize how detrimental some decisions are for others.

2 years ago

Christian:  you are an idiot, moron etc.  I don't have enuf words in the English language to state how thick you are, don't bother me again.

 

I have had enough of your nonsense.

2 years ago

 

The tiny cost of living increase resulted in a corresponding reduction in EBT credits ("You're making over $30 more, so we think you don't need as much for food now"), and shoved people ever-so-slightly into the bracket in which Medicaid decides that you don't need Medicaid anymore becuase you're $30+ richer now and can afford the monthly $120 Medicare premiums yourself.

 

Meanwhile, food costs have gone way up due to rising gas prices, your rent went up, your water and electricity went up, you still have meds to buy, toiletries to buy, etc., etc., etc., but now you're being asked to pay for all that with over $150 less than what you were getting the month before.

 



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2 years ago

Yup, that sounds about the way the government would think.

2 years ago

 

Hey Sheila:

 

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2 years ago

 

<<Christian:  you are an idiot, moron etc.  I don't have enuf words in the English language to state how thick you are, don't bother me again.

 

I have had enough of your nonsense.>>

 

So ... I guess you have no answer for me, then. Just anecdotes about "food stamp" recipients driving around in SUVs and the like?

 

That woman angers me ...
2 years ago

(the food-stamp using lottery winner) ... not just because I find her ethically lacking, but because she "proves a point" to people who feel like you so, SL. 

 

She does not represent all Americans needing financial assistance ...

 

As for your charity question ... donate to several charities on an ongoing basis, I give money to homeless people, musicians on the street, and people who solicit drivers at stoplights for various charities ... I make the occasional donation to those charities that send me address stickers if I use them ... I regularly give clothing and other household items to the various organizations that collect those things ... I give to the Salvation Army bell-ringers at Christmas. 

I do take deductions at tax time, and I could give more.  I should give some of my time, but after work and the weekends belongs to me and my family.  Call me selfish. 

 

I'm pretty much your average middle-class American ... I'm not rich, but I am comfortable.

 

But here's what chaps my ass ... I pay what I think is a lot of income tax. I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with the notion that my taxes aren't utilized to support social services as much as they go to support wars in other countries and to pay some fat ass politician's salary. 

 

Oh ... and if you want to be selective about who you're supporting with your charitable dollars, check out this site ... www.modestneeds.org.  You can pick and choose who you support, if you'd like. The organization does its due diligence to make sure the people who are asking for help aren't scammers. 

 



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Put your money where your mouth is, SL ...
2 years ago
Why ...
2 years ago

Does Christian keep talking to Sheila in the third person?

 

 

2 years ago

 

Maybe because there is an actual third person?

 

It's like that episode of Seinfeld ...
2 years ago

Where "Jimmy" kept talking about himself to Elaine who thought he was talking about someone else. 

 

2 years ago

 

Well, not quite, because in this case, I was talking to an actual third person.

 

There were three people involved.

 

 

2 years ago

I agree with Uno, and it angers me that so much money is wasted on wars and cronyism while the people that the money could really help go without.

 

So the agrument becomes about the cheats in society and not about the real cheats, the government.

 

I don't think that one person here would have a problem with their money going to deserving welfare recipients providing the money was there and not being wasted and given to other countries.

 

Trillions gone and Americans are in need.

 

Just imagine, if that money was used on America and Americans; we would never to have to hear from Chrisitian again.

 

LOL.

2 years ago

Idiot and moron...

 

Not very nice.

2 years ago

Not to mention, they are physical disabilities, huh Mary?

 

But I am certain that if one were scour the posts made to me, by say...you perhaps, there wouldn't be any of those "not very nice" words to be found.

 

LOL.

 

No worries SL, you've taken a good dose of Christian on this thread.

Selective outrage again Mary?
2 years ago

"Jesus H Christ, Sheila. What you don't know about how the system works would fill the Grand Fukking Canyon." - Christian 

 

 

Hey Sheila:

 

fingerbeer.gif - Christian again

 

 

 

 

But sure let's call out SL for saying "idiot and moron". What a bunch of BS.

 

 

LOL
2 years ago

I like how the guy in Christians gif is hurriedly putting his window back up. 'Cause let me tell you, there are plenty of other guys that would have reached in there and grabbed him by his scrawny little rude neck.

 

Cowards are funny.

 

 

2 years ago

The girl referenced in Sheila's above post is despicable.  There is no excuse acceptable for her actions.  I hope she has been made to pay back what she should not have taken.  If there was a way to weed these people out, that would help a bit.

 

I often think about how we provide healthcare and extras for our Congress members.  These are definitely not people in need or near need.   They should provide for themselves for healthcare, and all other benefits received. 

 

Honestly, I couldn't live with myself knowing I take from others what they do not have.  Honest people, through disability or just circumstance have fallen on hard times.  Good people who have been diminished by society because of creatures like that girl above.

 

Still, you can't blame all because of the actions of some.  You can't punish all because of the actions of some.  You shouldn't judge all by the actions of some.

Exactly ...
2 years ago

Still, you can't blame all because of the actions of some.  You can't punish all because of the actions of some.  You shouldn't judge all by the actions of some.

 

 

I once threw a coke with lots of ice ...
2 years ago

into the window of someone like the guy in Christian's gif. 

 

I thought it was pretty dang funny. 

 

Ahhhh ...
2 years ago

the young and carefree days when you just didn't give a sh1t. 

 

2 years ago

Uno: you certainly are charitable and that is wonderful.  I used to give to Big Brother organization, Salvation Army always, panhandlers sometimes, street musicians always, Humane Society, Animal Rescue Site, Wounded Warriors, Disabled American Veterans and that is my current list.  I wish I could do more; people with less tend to give more.  That is what they say anyway.

 

I am not of the entitlement frame of mind and I can give to the truelly needy.

I don't know of anyone in my state who is out in the cold and starving.

There are so many shelters, food pantrys, organizations that help like Catholic charities, etc.  and section 12 which the govt. pays all rent. 

If anyone is homeless it is because of mental issues, alcoholism and the police do have units to protect them as well.

 

I disklike the exageration of all the poor starving people who need more help.

Some do and they get it from what I see.  I also see them selling their EBT cards where I shop for cash.

 

 

 

 

Uno,
2 years ago

I miss those days at times...

2 years ago

Sheila if you see someone selling an EBT card you should report it.  If not, then you become part of the problem.

 

 

Exageration you say, that's a shame.

2 years ago

 

It's simply amazing the lengths Sheila will go to avoid the question of what disabled people on the EBT program are supposed to do now that their benefits have been cut to levels below what they are able to live on, by continually bringing up non-related stories of fraud in the system by others who are not disabled.

 

Truthfully, those are two different subjects; One is about people defrauding a system meant to help those in need, and one is about those who are drawing on their social security money they paid into most of their lives, discovering that their food assistance and social security have just been cut to below the levels they need to survive because of a very small cost of living increase to their social security.

 

Two totally different subjects that Sheila insists on conflating, presumably with the aim of making us believe that all people receiving social security and food assistance are lazy cheats who are defrauding the system.

 

2 years ago

Should I call 911 in the grocery store, he approached many people.  When I declined he moved to the next person.

 

It is a problem and there are many people scamming the system, the government is well aware of it and if they were on top of things better ...they would be reassessing the people they are supporting with medicaid, EBT cards and re-evaluating those on disability as well.

 

I do understand that under Obama, the EBT cards are at an all-time high and there is an excess of supporting peoples in this country who do not work.    Some, work under the table and collect also.  The government needs to be far more regulatory on the handouts they provide and seriously profile the recipients. 

 

This is a growing problem under Obama as more and more people do NOT pay taxes at all and all he talks about is the wealthy paying more to support these people.

It is an impossible task at hand to expect wealthy people to support freeloaders and then pay off the debts to China, etc.

 

We are headed in one direction and that is not one of an economically viable nation.



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2 years ago

Sheila, yes you should call 911.  You speak of it and how wrong it is.  How is anyone to know but you if they don't see and noone reports it.

 

Maybe the reason the EBT cards are at an all time high is because this economy has killed people and put them in a very bad place.

2 years ago


<<It is a problem and there are many people scamming the system, ... >>

 

Again, the question posed to you at least five or more times in this thread was not about the scammers, but about the non-scammers.

 

Why do you keep avoiding the subject of the non-scammers by continually bringing up the scammers?

 



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2 years ago

The biggest scammer is the government which is allowing and creating the citizen scammer onto the bloated and bankrupt system.

 

Which is of course, the plan.

 

If we had those missing trillions back, and our small businesses hiring 80% of the work force again, only the truly needy would be getting assistance.

 

And I doubt that there is one single poster or person that I know that would begrudge those needy people their assistance.

 

You really must get to the heart of the matter, not just debate the effects of the problem.

2 years ago

The other thing with these cards is that they can be programmed for allowable expenses.  That is, they should be programmed so that you can ONLY buy the foods that the program covers.  It is very easy to do.  I have had two jobs where I had credit cards for certain kinds of purchases.  Believe me, you try to buy something that is not allowed and the transaction won't go through. 

 

I have heard too many stories about illegal transctions and I can hardly believe them any more.  Maybe they are true.  Just goes to show how dumb the government can get at times. 

 

And if people are selling them, how do they get a new one?  That is easy to deal with too.  You cancel the old card before you issue the new one.  Of course days may have gone by with charges being racked up. 

 

Yes Suzanne, I saw a program on PBS about this program and you are exactly right.  More people are in need and thus more are EBT.  It works.  (but not for my niece who is not eligible).

2 years ago
Ensuring food stamp integrity
Store owner Don Kitchens rings up items at his store in Georgia. | AP Photo

The Agriculture Department aggressively pursues food stamps fraud, the author writes. | AP Photo

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As agriculture undersecretary and a former director of state Health and Human Services departments in Maine, Oregon and Iowa, I know the importance of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps. In today’s difficult economic times, this vital program helps families across the nation put food on the table.

 

Despite a rash of recent stories about food stamp fraud, the facts are that the Agriculture Department has a zero tolerance policy on this. We aggressively pursue those trying to take advantage of America’s compassion for people in need.

First-quarter results of our anti-fraud efforts demonstrate this commitment. From Oct. 1 to Dec. 31, 2011, we penalized — with fines or temporary disqualifications — more than 225 stores that violated program rules and permanently disqualified more than 350 stores caught trafficking food stamp benefits.

 

We’re now stepping up our efforts. I announced in December new anti-fraud initiatives. We awarded a 10-year contract to SRA International to develop the next generation of fraud-detection systems.

 

We plan even stronger penalties for retailers that misuse the program. We recently updated our policies to clarify that advertising the sale of benefits through social media is a violation and can result in disqualification from the food stamp program.

In addition, we’re finalizing rules to deter the practice of buying and discarding food to get money-back deposits; or reselling and exchanging products bought with food stamp benefits to obtain cash or other noneligible items.

 

The Agriculture Department’s efforts to combat SNAP trafficking have been particularly successful. Trafficking — the sale or purchase of benefits for cash — is an illegal activity punishable by criminal prosecution. Over the past 15 years, department and state agencies administering the program have sharply reduced such trafficking — from 4 percent to 1 percent.

 

But we cannot be content with that success — the people taking unfair advantage constantly change their tactics. We remain vigilant, working to stay ahead of these new forms of program abuse. We have stepped up documentation requirements and background checks on retailers who participate, or seek to participate, in food stamps. Stores that falsify information will be denied or disqualified and may face a $10,000 fine or imprisonment for as long as five years, or both.

 

The Agriculture Department recently launched a website (www.fns.usda.gov/fightingsnapfraud) to get the word out about our efforts to deter fraudulent food stamp activity and enlist the public’s help in fighting it. We will continue to use all tools available, including the latest technology, to combat fraud.

Some perspective on this is crucial. There are 46 million eligible Americans who depend on food stamps, largely because of income, age, disability or job circumstances. Nearly half are children, 8 percent are elderly and 20 percent of food stamp households include a person who is disabled. The great majority abide by program rules.

 

The fact is fraud is a limited problem in SNAP — though no amount is acceptable. Stores violating the program represent less than one-half of 1 percent of the more than 230,000 food stores authorized to redeem benefits. And the recent fraud stories indicate enforcement efforts are working — as those who would abuse the program are being caught and prosecuted.

 

This is good news for all U.S. taxpayers and good news for those who use the program — including millions of children and older Americans — who depend on food stamps. Which, in turn, is why the Agriculture Department is committed to assuring the integrity of this vital program.

Kevin Concannon is undersecretary of food, nutrition and consumer services at the Agriculture Department.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73739.html#ixzz1oZiucPjQ
SL ...
2 years ago

This is a growing problem under Obama as more and more people do NOT pay taxes at all and all he talks about is the wealthy paying more to support these people.


It is an impossible task at hand to expect wealthy people to support freeloaders and then pay off the debts to China, etc.


Aren't the ones who aren't paying taxes the rich people who have offshore accounts and accountants who know all the sneaky loopholes? 

 

The wealthy ... and everyone else who is lucky enough to work and pay taxes ... should be helping to support people in need.  People in need are not "freeloaders."  These are people ... not parasites. 

 

2 years ago

"Since President Obama took full control of Washington," every day, 13,000 more people "have been put on food stamps."

National Republican Congressional Committee on Wednesday, January 25th, 2012 in an advertisement

NRCC ad blames Barack Obama for food stamp use rising by 13,000 a day

A recent ad by the National Republican Congressional Committee -- the House Republicans’ campaign arm -- offers a flurry of statistics to argue that President Barack Obama doesn’t deserve a second term.

"What's become of America since President Obama took full control of Washington?" the narrator says. "A wrecked economy, with debt and waste beyond imagination. Since then, gas prices have gone up more than 82 percent. Every single day, more than 1,500 of our jobs have been lost. Every day, another 2,700 of us realize it's been six months since we last had a job. Every day, more than 6,000 of us have begun living below poverty, while 13,000 more have been put on food stamps, and more than 800 have become uninsured. … This is the legacy President Obama and his Democrats have left for us. If we give them more time, what else will they do to America?"

There’s a lot to digest here, but we’re going to look at two claims from the ad. In another item, we examined the claim that "since President Obama took full control of Washington ... every single day, more than 1,500 of our jobs have been lost." The one we’re looking at in this item is, "Since President Obama took full control of Washington," every day, 13,000 more people "have been put on food stamps."

We’ll start by noting that "food stamps" -- which provide qualifying, low-income Americans with vouchers to buy groceries -- have officially been known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, since October 2008, although many people still use the informal name.

Also, for the purposes of this fact check, we won’t be checking whether literally 13,000 people joined the food stamp rolls each and every day. Instead, we’ll be looking at the average rate of Americans joining food stamps over the course of the full three-year period to see whether that number is close to 13,000.

As we do with claims like this, we split our analysis into two parts. Are the numbers right? And is it fair to assess either credit or blame for those numbers to the target of the ad?

First, the numbers.

Obama took office on January 20, 2009, so we’ll look at the numbers for both January 2009 and February 2009. In January 2009, there were 31,983,716 Americans receiving food stamp benefits. In February 2009, the number was 32,332,622.

Fast-forward to the most recent month for which data was available when the ad was made -- November 2011 -- and the number of Americans then receiving food stamp benefits was 46,224,775. That means an increase of either 14,241,059 (if you use the January statistic) or 13,892,153 (if you use the February figure).

Assuming that three years means 1,095 days -- or 365 times 3 -- then the number of additional food stamp recipients per day of the Obama presidency was either 13,005 (using the January figure) or 12,687 (using the February figure). We consider either calculation to be fairly represented by the ad’s rounded-off estimate of 13,000.

So the ad is right on the numbers. What about the question of whether Obama deserves the blame?

The NRCC stands by its ad. "Leadership means taking responsibility, and President Obama bears responsibility for the consequences of his policies," said NRCC spokesman Nat Sillin.

Clearly, the rise in food stamps is a direct consequence of the most recent recession, which began more than a year before Obama took office. It’s impossible to know how high SNAP usage would have gone had the Republicans, rather than Obama, shaped policy in 2009 and 2010.

On the one hand, SNAP usage has continued to climb almost every month of the Obama presidency despite some signs of an economic recovery.

On the other hand, there is typically a lag before an upturn in the broader economy begins to show up in decreased SNAP usage. The previous high from 1994, for instance, came following a recession that officially ended in mid 1991 -- and that recession was much milder than the most recent one. This makes it harder to assign blame.

In addition to being influenced by the business cycle, enrollment and spending on means-tested programs such as food stamps is "quite sensitive to political decisions by Congress, state lawmakers, and state and local administrative agencies," said Gary Burtless, an ec

2 years ago

Gary Burtless, an economist with the Brookings Institution.

Indeed, the number of food stamp beneficiaries rose under President George W. Bush, partly because of more aggressive efforts to get eligible Americans to apply for benefits and partly because of rules changes that had the effect of broadening eligibility. The experts we spoke to agreed that both policies began under Bush but were retained by Obama.

The changes produced consistent increases in the number of average monthly beneficiaries. The number rose in seven out of the eight years of Bush’s presidency (the final two years of which had Congress under Democratic control). All told, the number of recipients rose by a cumulative 63 percent during Bush’s eight-year presidency, and the number of additional recipients per day during Bush’s eight years was 5,538 -- well below Obama’s rate, but still going up consistently during a period when the economy was relatively healthy.

We should also note that this ad uses the formulation, "since President Obama took full control of Washington." Obama -- or at least the Democrats -- can be said to have had full control of Washington, at least on a nominal basis, for two of those three years. But after the Republicans took over the House beginning in January 2011, they have had a share of the control as well.

Our ruling

The NRCC ad is right on the number of additional Americans using food stamps during Obama’s time in office. But it’s wrong to suggest that Obama’s "full control of Washington" -- to the extent he even had full control -- was to blame. The broader economic cycle and changes in how the program is administered have had a major impact as well. On balance, we rate the claim Half True.

2 years ago

Sheila, looks like you have been checking into this.  So, what are your thoughts now?  Serious question, not intended to be mean.

2 years ago

 

Sheila is still avoiding the question of what people receiving reduced EBT benefits (not "food stamps" because there are no such things anymore) are supposed to do now that the small cost of living increase in their disability has resulted in a net loss of over $150 a month in total assistance, thereby causing them to be unable to pay all of the monthly expenses they have that they need to pay just to stay alive.

 

I wonder why Sheila keeps avoiding answering that question and is constantly changing the subject?

 

2 years ago

 

Does anyone know why Sheila keeps changing the subject and why she refuses to answer the question?

 

I dunno, Christian ...
2 years ago

Maybe she's just ignoring you. 

 

2 years ago

 

It seems as if she's ignoring the question more than she's ignoring me.

 

Why is that?

 

2 years ago

Uno:  there are a small or maybe growing amount of people who want the government to support them; they do not want to work, pay taxes or do anything but collect money and entitlements from the govt.   Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, medicaid, free cars, insurance to drive the cars, health insurance, meals at school for kids, clothes, free oil heat and they do NOT work at all.

 

They also use the food pantries to supplement their needs, along with various charities.  They do not try and help themselves; but they increase their families by getting pregnant.

 

Young girls that live here do not bother with free bcp instead, they get pregnant, don't get married for sure because they are eligible for housing, etc.  

2 years ago

Several people keep referring to this magical "free" birth control that all women can be getting. You can say that over and over but it does not make it true.

 

SOME women may qualify for reduced rates by paying on a sliding scale for what they make but there are limits and budgets and the amount of people being helped in each location is not endless. Also, it isn't like there are Planned Parenthood locations in every area, accessible to all women.

 

No one gets handed birth control pills without a complete GYN check-up and a pap smear. I mentioned this once before, they are not gumballs. Every person doesn't get them. There are many health reasons that disqualify women from taking the birth control pill. Stop using the mantra "free birth control pills" because it is not reality.

 

And there isn't anyone getting "free" cars and "free" car insurance. What kind of ridiculousness is that? Why not get off the "I hate poor people" bullshit and do something productive instead of harmful?

 

Won't all the men in this country be happy when all the women stop having sex? It'll serve them right if they don't start standing up against this war on women.



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2 years ago

 

Did you see how Sheila sidestepped the question yet again?

 

Look at Sheila dance around the question
2 years ago


Dance, Sheila, dance!

 

 

 

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2 years ago

"Several people keep referring to this magical "free" birth control that all women can be getting. You can say that over and over but it does not make it true."

 

That's right.  here in Indiana it is $3 for a one month supply.  And I am guessing that there are income resitrctions.

 

"No one gets handed birth control pills without a complete GYN check-up and a pap smear. I mentioned this once before, they are not gumballs."

 

YUP.

SL ...
2 years ago

It's not that I don't agree that there are people who take advantage of the system ... It's true ... I know this. 

 

But that is not a good enough reason to cut off aid to the people whgo really need it. This is why we, as a society, work and pay taxes ... or at least it should be. 

 

God forbid that you or me are one day in need of the services that you'd want to deny to people. 

 

Anyway ...
2 years ago

I am glad you had a good time at the campaign thingy ... that you ate good food and got to wear your beautiful new jacket and got interviewed by the Russian press. 

 

But, personally, I think Romney is a Moroney. 

 

 

2 years ago

Poor people who are truley in need certainly qualify for Food Stamp assistance and I would never deny anyone in this predicament.  I volunteer some holidays to help feed the homeless veterans, not only with food, money but my time.

 

I have the honor to serve them dinner and I sit with them after meals and thank them for their service and try to get to know them better.  I think I will volunteer this Easter to celebrate with them.  I had with Thanksgiving, Christmas and a few other holidays.

2 years ago

 

Homeless veterans, because, of course, regular homeless people are not worthy of help.

 

2 years ago

"Poor people who are truley in need certainly qualify for Food Stamp assistance and I would never deny anyone in this predicament."

 

My niece never has, not even when she lived in a garage in the winter with her two toddlers.

2 years ago

Something people do not understand is the state wants to know the household income. Even if you live in someone's garage and they do nothing else to help you, you have to include their income into the "household" income. A lot of people are denied benefits because someone else, of no assistance to them personally, may have money of their own and also live in the same dwelling.

 

That is how it is here. They want to know how many people live in the home and what they earn. It doesn't matter if these people are related to you or not, or if they are connected to you financially in any way.

 

To make it even worse, if a person is not paying rent, and someone allows them to stay in their garage or sleep on their couch, they cannot show the state that they are paying rent to anyone so without this expense, they don't see as much of a need.

It's fuked up.





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2 years ago

 

Also, you can keep calling the EBT card "food stamps," but that won't make it so.

 

In the late 1990s, the food-stamp program was revamped and actual stamps were phased out in favor of a specialized debit-card system known as Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) provided by private contractors. Many states merged the use of the EBT card for public-assistance welfare programs as well. The 2008 farm bill renamed the Food Stamp Program as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (as of October 2008), and replaced all references to "stamp" or "coupon" in federal law to "card" or "EBT."

 

 

Food stamps from years ago that are no longer used:

 

 

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A refillable plastic EBT debit card which is what is used today:

 

 

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2 years ago

 

So when one sees or hears somebody refer to "food stamps," it indicates that they are out of touch with the program and how it actually works, and therefore, anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt, as it is most likely as inaccurate as the term "food stamps."

 



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2 years ago

"Something people do not understand is the state wants to know the household income. Even if you live in someone's garage and they do nothing else to help you, you have to include their income into the "household" income. A lot of people are denied benefits because someone else, of no assistance to them personally, may have money of their own and also live in the same dwelling."

 

They also factor in the child support that you are supposed to receive whether you ever get it or not.  (He owes over $150,000).

2 years ago

I feel bad for your niece and her children, Nancy. Has anything gotten better for them yet?

2 years ago

She does have a full time job with benefits.  She still cannot afford rent, however.  But she is wroking for a non-profit so perhpas in another year or so will be able to get one of those coveted "corporate" jobs. 

 

It's been ten years. 

 

Thanks you Angela.

2 years ago

I'm glad things are going to improve for her sometime in the future. I wish her well.

2 years ago

Nancy, I doubt she'll get  a CEO position.  Which is what a coveted "corporate" job would consist of.  Most corporate schleps are just average workers, who pay a heck of alot toward their own benefits now.   Not like the old days of 100%.  Not for a long time now.  No heavy duty raises, if any.

 

I just thought I'd point out, not all in the corporate world are treated like the corporate heads.

2 years ago

She probably SHOULD get a CEO position.  But her non-profit position doesn't pay much and I know she'd make more at a corporation.    But yeah, I do know what you mean Suzanne. 

2 years ago

Uno:  there are a small or maybe growing amount of people who want the government to support them; they do not want to work, pay taxes or do anything but collect money and entitlements from the govt. 

 

When we get the news that unemployment is going down, the data is taken from the rolls of those receiving unemployment.  When unemployment runs out, the unemployed no longer receiving it are removed from its rolls.  Therefore, they are no longer counted as data. For this reason, I believe that unemployment is higher than ever.  A huge part of the reason is that a lot of jobs went to China and India.  Thousands of jobs were destroyed by Bain Capitol , which is a vampire-like financial business that feeds off the corporations it purchases or steals through stock buy ups.  Either way, the working person suffers. Look at what Bain did to the workers at American Grinder Corp.  They lost a large part of their pensions.  But Mittens walked away with $900 thousand in personal profit.  This is immoral and it ought to be illegal.  It is the antithesis of capitalism.

 

I think that in this economy, certainly more people are going to be unemployed.  And they are in need of assistance.  And there is no shame in that.



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2 years ago

I have given small jobs to homeless people who did become my friends and I employed them frequently.  I also bought them groceries and turkey for thanksgiving and Christmas.  They were homeless; yet they had a mother who was poor and could not take in adult children who resorted to live in shelters.  However, she had her children at holidays and she was quite poor, a very elderly woman living on very little.  I don't restrict my care to veterans; but this man and he was maybe 20 yrs. younger than me, I did care about but I asked him to do chores.  I don't hand out money.  

 

I am really sick and tired of snide and rude remarks from a person who probably does nothing but stay on this stupid computer 24/7.  There is far more important things to do in life than judge others. 

2 years ago

Really Sl L, I applaud you for what you do.

 

And I am sure that you feel very satified every Thanksgiving and Christmas that you haev helped.

 

But what about jobs that might employ them full time and give them benefits?

 

BUT, what about those who are truly disabled and unable to work and who will face cuts to their EBT funds?

 

 



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2 years ago

Didn't you know, Nancy, homeless people only need to eat on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

2 years ago

I forgot about that.  And they can live in cardboard boxes and feel happy about it.

2 years ago

I helped Willie with many odd jobs and my neighbors did as well because I vouched for him.  I made him lunch and always made sure he had a bag of groceries after he left my home anytime he was hired.  It is sad, that many live in shelters; however, I do what I can for those people I meet and I help strangers through food banks as do my friends who donate their time even though they work 40 hrs. week. 

 

It is something that we want to do.  I also make sure I give to animal shelters and I personally take care of animals that are on rescue sites.

 

I cannot speak for anyone else, I do what I can.  I was brought up to be charitable.

2 years ago

I don't believe you. Someone that has done that much for the homeless would be more compassionate to the problem and would never have said the things you have said here. Let's highlight a few of your quotes, shall we?

__________________

 

"That is their problem to get their act together."

 

"When does the entitlements stop for the freeloaders."

 

"Anyone on disability and social security can supplement their money to survive by WORKING..."

 

"I see arseholes on welfare driving Mercedes SUVs and I know they are drug pushers for a fact."

 

"I lead a group last week and reminded eveyone; life is not a bowl of cherries, it is not sweet, there are far more bitter and hard days than there ever will be sweet one."

 

"If Mitt becomes president, I hope he does NOT do that foolish crap he did here, buy cars for mothers on EBT and welfare and pay their insurance to boot."

 

"There are parasites in this society."

 

"Parasites work well in nature when they are symbiotic but not the case with human beings."

 

"they can get off their arses and work like I do"

 

"They are just too used to getting way too many entitlements and they don't want to leave the TV or computer; that is their problem."

 

"There are far too many of these lazy fools out there.  ONly if you cannot work at all and believe me I know people who do just about anything to make ends meet without sucking off the government."

"I don't want to hear sob stories, I have my own."

 

"People make their own beds and they some never learn how to make a bed."

 

"To collect food stamps, is the personal choice of some who really may need assistance or not."

 

"I don't know of anyone in my state who is out in the cold and starving."

 

"If anyone is homeless it is because of mental issues, alcoholism..."

 

"I disklike the exageration of all the poor starving people who need more help."

 

"They also use the food pantries to supplement their needs, along with various charities.  They do not try and help themselves; but they increase their families by getting pregnant."

 

________

 

Nope. Doesn't at all sound like a person that spends any time or effort helping the homeless or hungry.

2 years ago

I'm also extremely skepical of your ability to be a functional nurse. If you are a nurse, you cannot possibly be a good one.

2 years ago

Really, taken one liners out of context, are you that fixated on what I say.

You are pathetic, get a life.

 

I won't be addressing anything you say further.   You are too inconsequential.

I don't believe you were ever anything worthwhile but a troublemaker in your life.  Certainly, not a member of the nursing profession.

Good nite, Good Bye.



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2 years ago

Nothing is out of context. It's all there in your words, splattered through the thread. Right up there. ^

 

Seriously, you should not be allowed to be around patients. I truly believe that, based on the things you say, that you have no compassion and no understanding at all of the basics of humanitarianism which is the most important part of nursing.

 

You change your views every couple days. The only consistency you show here, is your disregard for the welfare of others. Go back and read your words. You said those things. Not anyone else.

2 years ago

Humanitarianism is an ethic of kindness, benevolence and sympathy extended universally and impartially to all human beings. No distinction is to be made in the face of suffering or abuse on grounds of gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, or nationality... or financial status.

 

Humanitarianism can also be described as the acceptance of every human being for just being another human, ignoring all biased social views, prejudice, and racism in the process.

2 years ago

Angela, your attacks on SL are disgusting. You sit there and criticize anther women that has given to others. She doesn't need you blessing.

 

Americans have it good, hell great compared to the rest of the world. And many, many are used to depending upon the government to take care of them.

 

But the fact is; if the UNGODLY spending that this administration has spent on foreign countries and wars was used to help create jobs and the needy here, Americans would no longer be in need and asking for everyone else to carry their load.

 

That's the damn facts. Instead, they pit us against each other in a class war over what little money that any of us do have left.

 

Angela, your attacks are uncalled for and disgusting. You need to check yourself.

2 years ago

i swore to stay away from these groups but, i do come by and read from time to time. i just wanted to stop in for a moment and say BRAVO Angela on your very accurate assessment of Sheila.

2 years ago

2 years ago

Hmmm, someone that uses "Lion of Judah" as an avater, then "swears" to stay away, and then breaks that vow.

 

Ah, ok, sure. I'm impressed.

2 years ago

Attacking Scarlett who is someone you never spoke to before, Praetrollian? Maybe you should check yourself.

 



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LOL Angela
2 years ago

I made an observation. One from her own posts. And again, I am not impressed with what she had to contribute.

 

I will repeat it; I am not impressed with what she had to contribute.

2 years ago


<<Angela, your attacks on SL are disgusting. You sit there and criticize anther women that has given to others. She doesn't need you blessing.

 

Americans have it good, hell great compared to the rest of the world. And many, many are used to depending upon the government to take care of them.>>

 

Actually, the disgusting thing is how Sheila keeps avoiding the question of what disabled EBT recipients who just got their benefits cut are supposed to do now that the amount of their benefits is less than what they need just to survive.

 

That's what's disgusting.

 

And yet Sheila still refuses to tell us what those people are supposed to do.

 

 

What are those people supposed to do now, Sheila? Why do refuse to tell us?

 

2 years ago

 

Tell us, Praetrollian, how disabled EBT recipients are supposed to survive on the recent cuts to their benefits?

 

What is it, specifically, that you think they are supposed to do to survive?

 

2 years ago

 

Why do you and Sheila refuse to answer that question?

 

2 years ago

I made observations based on SLs own posts and Praetrollian called it an attack but when Praetrollian does it to Scarlett, it's merely a harmless observation making him LOL.

 

How weird is that?

2 years ago

 

They won't answer you, Christian. Because the answer is that all those parasites should die and go away and stop being a burden. Alas, I fear we have our own death panel going on here in this group.

2 years ago

As I stated numerous time Christian; all of the trillions that are missing from this administration, along with the trillions wasted and spent overseas for other countires and on needless wars would help the needy citizens here.

 

We would be just fine.

 

Angela, justify it how you need to, your attacks are mostly unprovoked and out of line.

 

What baffles me is why you seem so proud of it all.

 

Strange.

2 years ago

 

Do you see how both Sheila and Praetrollian refuse to answer the question?

 

2 years ago

I see.

 

I also see the biggest troll at Care2 whining about being attacked. Quite curious.

2 years ago

You see nothing Angela, but your own ideology.

 

I am observing your behavior towards SL, not whining about attacks on me. I rather welcome the lame attempts, LOL, they are humorous in their desperation.

 

And never seem to hit the mark that you aim for. LOL.

2 years ago

 

bored_audience.jpg

 

2 years ago

 

But seriously, it's amazing how both Sheila and Praetorian keep avoiding the question of how disabled EBT recipients are supposed to survive on their newly reduced payments which amount to less than what they need to survive.

 

It's truly amazing.

 

2 years ago

 

Does anybody else see how both Sheila and Praetorian are specifically avoiding answering the question of how disabled EBT recipients are supposed to survive on their newly reduced payments which amount to less than what they need to survive?

 

Or is it just me?

 

 

2 years ago

I said I see. Did you not see that I said I saw?

2 years ago

 

I've seen Sheila blather on about "food stamps," (which don't actually exist anymore, because they've changed over to the EBT system), and I've seen Praetorian go on about how "Americans have it good compared to the rest of the world," but so far, I haven't seen jackshit about what disabled EBT recipients are supposed to survive on now that their newly reduced payments amount to less than what they need to survive.

 

2 years ago

 

what-you-did-there.jpg

 

2 years ago

i swore to stay away from these groups but, i do come by and read from time to time. i just wanted to stop in for a moment and say BRAVO Angela on your very accurate assessment of Sheila.

 

 

WTF?

2 years ago

What? I thought it was accurate.

2 years ago

 

Why do Praetrollian and Sheila refuse to answer the question of how disabled EBT recipients are supposed to survive on their newly reduced payments which amount to less than what they need to survive?

 

Why?

 

2 years ago

 

I've never seen such evasiveness in my life.

 

2 years ago

Angela, that's not what I was commenting about (re: WTF).

2 years ago

Christian, your eyes are evading the type posted here.

 

Get rid of the wasted funding on foreign countries and the wars that Obama has us in. Cut the spending now and give it to THE PEOPLE of the United States for job creation and living allowances. Problem solved.

 

Instead, bankers and huge corporations are being funneled all of the wealth. And not even American bank and corporations, but global interests.

 

Meanwhile, some in the dark argue that the "rich" are the problem. No the ultra rich, the eltie rich are the problem. The untouchable ones that are taking the wealth from this Nation and our own people.

 

Now then, think of something else to parrot over and over again even though you have been furnished an opinion.

2 years ago

Are you kidding me?  52% is for the military industrial complex?!  What a huge waste.

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

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