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I AM REALLY REALLY SICK OF
2 years ago

anything to do with the Trayvon Martin Case or the incompetance of the current administration, conspiracies, birthers, all the rest of the garbage being thrown out there as news. Improtant news now is maybe the fact that North Korea invited the outside press in to watch it launch it's new missile with the "satellite" attached.  Or the fact that Syria shot big weapons into Turkey and Lebanon for taking in refugees.  I find these facts a little more  worrisome than Trayvon Martin vs Zimmmerman which has pretty much been talked to death along with the birth certificate cr*p, and all the conspiracy junk.

 

There--I feel so much better now that I got that out.  Thanks.

I am VERY interested ...
2 years ago

in the Trayvon Martin case.  Every aspect of it. 

 

It has to do with people and how they tick ... how they react ... how they are manipulated, and how they think.  People fascinate me.

 

Discussions about war and general politics bores the hell out of me.

 

To each their own, I guess. 

 

2 years ago

Hmmm, I wanted to agree with both of you.  had to figure that out.

 

So- I am interested in hearing new information about the case as a whole.  Especially how the media has manipulated the case, etc.

 

But- I am tired of discussing it.  We won't solve anything.

Discussing?
2 years ago

2 years ago

I am really sick of people playing the race card.

 

"Race has no place in American life or law."
-- President John F. Kennedy

 

But I do agree about the Trayvon Martin case.  It is a tragedy no matter how or why it happened.  A child is dead and that got lost in all the noise.

2 years ago

the incompetance of the current administration

 

I would say this is a worthy subject to debate.

 

It kind of embodies "American Politics..."

2 years ago

Got that right Buck.  Sad really because there was so much hope and so dang little change.

2 years ago

Truth is, all of the above is worthy conversation, really.  What's going on with the Martin case to me is a very blatant disregard for human life, or more to the point, a blatant disregard for civilian human life.  What the media does with it, well, I've learned to filter out the hype, so whatever. 

 

The fighting in the middle east is interesting, but boring at the same time.  We shouldn't be there.  Let the primitive minded fools blow each other up, if they insist.  THey can keep their oil.  That shyt should have disappeared almost completely from every day use in modern society by now.  How pathetic is it, that we're using sludge from dead prehistoric life to power our vehicles, and such?  It's about as advanced as a damn Ewok village. 

 

The birth-certificate thing actually does annoy me.  It doesn't matter if it's legit or not, the guy's not going anywhere, no more than any of the other useless baggage in D.C. is; until and unless we as a society come to the (stunning) realization that: "HEY!  These guys were supposed to be OUR servants, servants to the Republic!  We're supposed to be THEIR bosses!  WTF?!  Time to do some serious firing!" It's our tax dollars, WE should decide how they are used, and make damn sure it's to our benefit.  Duh.

 

But the birth certificate is a big who cares, because he and Bush both likely got into office illegally, and the next one likely will too.  They're all just different faces of the same a$$-hole.  They don't matter.  They're there to be the voice and the messenger of the real rulers.  We're in a dictatorship, only it's more than one dictator.  Or maybe not.  Maybe greed itself is the only true ruler.  But that's the language they speak, that's what they understand, and that's all they represent.  Cliff 'em all. 

 

Going after Obama on his birth, even if you do win, is useless.  His Vice then takes over, and he'll be no better.  Get rid of him, and they'll have someone else put in place, who's no better. 

 

We'd need to find the root and get rid of it.  Greed itself will never die, but, it can be lessened, or at least those addicted to it can be brought to heel.  That's about the best we can hope for.  But unless we get 'em all, then nothing will truly change, no matter how many impeachments there are.

 

 

2 years ago

"Sad really because there was so much hope and so dang little change."

 

So you are admitting that he is another Bush?

2 years ago

Who are you asking Nancy?

 

Shane, I have been saying for a long time that there really is no difference between the exisiting powers that be in the GOP and the Democratic party.  Corrupted.  Both of them.  By rich people.

2 years ago

I was asking you.  You are the one I quoted.  That is my main problem with Obama- he is just another Bush. 

2 years ago

There's a really simple fix to your dilemma. It's called if you don't like the subject matter, don't click on the link. There. Problem solved.

 

That doesn't make the issue go away but you can choose not to read about it.

2 years ago

Why?  Cause she asked a question?  Did I miss something?

2 years ago

Okay, Cak, maybe you are right.  I should just avoid the group for awhile.  It just seems we rehash the same stuff over and over.  We don't really "discuss" per se, we argue and belittle and act all huffy or all knowing, then we start over. 

 

Actually, I was merely expressing my opinion in the original post.  No one has to agree or disagree.  It was just my statement of where I am at right now with these subjects.  Perhaps not clicking on the thread is the answer.  I was unaware that it was a problem that needed to BE solved.

You see ...
2 years ago

perturbed. 

 

2 years ago

I think Obama is worse than Bush myself Nancy.  He never listened to what the general wanted to win Afghanistan ..... uses more drones than any time in your history which adds up to more innocent people dying .... He has made a mess out of everything.

 

All that time on a healthcare plan and he is still grabbing money for it instead of waiting to see what the courts say ..... Waste of time and money.

2 years ago

Mary I wasn't trying to be bitchy for once. I actually do the same thing from time to time. Hell, I've gone for months at a time without posting anywhere on care2 at all. Sometimes a break is just needed.

 

I'm of the mindset "let cooler heads prevail" with respects to this whole case. However I understand that a lot of people are driven by emotion, and the media feeds into that hardcore...

2 years ago

I'm just am personally sick of all of the sensationalism, I guess--like with the Casey Anthony deal.  It is ALL that is around.

 

On a lighter note, I see Rick Santorum threw in the towel this evening.  I hope his little girl is doing better as I understand wshe was in the hospital again this past weekend.

2 years ago

You're entitled to your opinion, Mary.  And you are entitled to express it here.

2 years ago

I agree about the sensationalism, I have little use for so-called journalism these days.

 

A huge bummer that Mike Wallace left us recently, as he was among the last of a dying breed of journalists that were respectable. He was also a badass...

 

So yeah...looks like we're getting a wooden board as a Republican candidate. Santorum amused me in a Dan Quayle kind of way, but it was his time to bow out. He really had no way to clinch the nod at this point, and I think he timed it so that he wouldn't face an embarrassing loss in Pennsylvania.

 

No comment on his kiddo as that would quickly derail this into a universal health care debate. That can be hashed over elsewhere...

2 years ago

cynic

2 years ago

Indeed Wallace was a rare breed.  Casey Anthony was another American that was tried and found guilty in your media .... yet when the case was presented they could not convict her.  Sad that she will never be held responsible or made to tell the truth about what happened to her daughter.

 

With you on wishing Bella well Mary.  As a grandfather nothing breaks my heart more than when my grandchildren are sick or hurting.

I AM REALLY REALLY SICK OF
2 years ago

 

Every thread turns into an Anti-Obama thread.

 

Why? Why do we have to debate the Obama Administration in every thread? Can't we just talk about the subjects, and start different a thread for Obama?

 

If you someone hates him that much, then why does their whole world seem to revolve around him? You should live and breath for yourself, as some topics do not require him to be mentioned.

 

Mary, "Improtant news now is maybe the fact that North Korea invited the outside press in to watch it launch it's new missile with the "satellite" attached.  Or the fact that Syria shot big weapons into Turkey and Lebanon for taking in refugees."

 

I agree, but I am interested in the Trayvon Martin case. There just doesn't need to be sooo many threads on the one topic. Luckily it seems to be down to only one. *thumgbsup*

 

2 years ago


If you someone hates him that much, then why does their whole world seem to revolve around him?

 

 

They hate him so much, Electra, that they are willing to vote for a guy who contributed heavily to the demise of the American economy by buying up thriving American-based businesses, draining all the capitol out of them, and then stealing the employee pensions for personal gain while leaving hundreds of thousands of people unemployed and struggling.  They hate Obama soooo much that they are willing to elect a guy who is a spiritual necrophiliac.  His Mormon faith requires him to re-baptize dead Jewish people into Mormonism, thus stealing them out of the faith that they embraced all their lives in order to swell the Mormon rolls of membership.  They hate Obama soooooooooo much that they are willing to elect a guy who tortured his own dog for 12 hours while the dog was severely ill.  What more can be said about the extremists on the right?  A guy who says "Corporations are people, too, my friends" is not going to concern himself with job creation or the plight of the middle class and the poor.  But - he isn't Obama and he is on their side, so they'll vote for him.  They don't care.

Mike Wallace
2 years ago

Old school, hard to find these daze...

2 years ago

Those damn right wing extremists (meaning anyone who doesn't vote for President Obama?). 

2 years ago

They hate him so much, Electra, that they are willing to vote for a guy who contributed heavily to the demise of the American economy

 

"They" hated Bush so much that in 2008 they voted for a slogan.

 

All those "Theys" suck...

2 years ago

Okay.  Then can someone please explain to me why, with Romney's history, that he is the best candidate for the job?  I am willing to listen with an open mind.  All I have been hearing, though, are vaguely worded statements from supporters like, "He's not Obama."  "He'll just do a good job."  etc, etc.  Romney concerns me because I feel that he has such a lack of concern for working people.  He has already stated that he could care less about the poor.  They will not be a focus for his administration.  I, personally, do not want a president who will only be a president for the wealthy.

I will tell you....
2 years ago

because the economy appears to be the most important issue.  Things such as foreign policy, domestic issues (health care, exporting of jobs, etc) that effect the pulse of the economy appear to have been forgotten.

 

The economy is more than just numbers...

2 years ago

I think once the race is between President Obama and whoever wins the nomination, that the campaigning will begin in full and more topics of discussion will open up.

 

I can't say Romney is any more for the working man than President Obama.  I guess how you think on this subject is where you, yourself sit in life. I am not a big fan of either of these gentlemen.

 

2 years ago

Hope was never a plan and change was never a destination .... Heard that somewhere and it fits.

 

You will never find any leader has everything.  If someone seems like they do Angelica then I would look twice.  Obama is the most inexperienced President America has ever elected.  He was elected on that slogan and because he can read a good speech.  Stirs the passion of the people in how he presents them.  He is an excellent orator - reads the words other people write for him very well.  But that is about as far as it goes.

 

Romney used to be a Democrat.  He is actually more liberal leaning than most.  All you have to do is look at what he did in Mass.  My choice would have been Gingrich but it looks like Romney will be it unless the sky starts falling.

 

I do not care what his religion is and for the left to start making an issue out of that is dumb.  They are starting to and it will hurt them with the independents because they don't care about religion.

2 years ago

I am willing to listen with an open mind.

 

Are you..?

2 years ago

Oh, brother. 

 

So, that's it, then?  Romney's the logical choice, because the's the most damn famous, now?  Is this Hollywood?  Does someone need "star power" to be the best, now? 

 

I knom, I know: Romney's the front-runner because Santorum dropped out, and Gingrich's campaign became les and less prominent. 

 

And yet, Paul still goes on, making sense, (more so, at least), and being ignored by the media.  Ignored so hard, they may as well throw rocks at him.  What does that tell you?  He's a threat. 

 

If people unpeel their eyelids, and actually listen to what these candidates say; and not pay attention only to who the media calls their attention to; it's pretty hard to vote against Paul.  I can see why women would, with the abortion thing, but, damn it, that'll never go through.  The rest of what he's about, though, well, hell yeah, bring it, please! 

 

You want change, then don't vote for the Stars of this soap-opera we call American gov't.  vote for the people who will treat it like the VERY serious business that it was meant to be. 

 

These other clowns; and that includes Obama; represent the status quo.  Never mind parties, there is only one party.  And us low-borns aren't invited. 

 

The whole world is still medieval.  The Dark Ages are still well-intact.  Except that now, we don't have highly visible Kings to tell us what our places are.  We have instead very clever financial and psychological strategists that use math and manipulation to keep a division between social classes. 

 

It used to be blood and birthright that made someone high-born.  Now it's just money.  If you've got it, you can join the true heirarchy of the world.  Without it, you're just another serf. 

 

But even among the high-born, there's still afew good eggs.  I feel Ron Paul is one of them.  I don't agree with all he stand for, that's true.  But, I ain't got the money to do it myself, so, out of the choices we've got, he's the closest to what I'd do.

 

 

2 years ago

 

I do not care what his religion is and for the left to start making an issue out of that is dumb.  They are starting to and it will hurt them with the independents because they don't care about religion.

 

Americans, by and large, are obsessed with religion, and deeply intertwined with our politics as well. The right has done the exact same thing to Obama, going out of their way to play up his "Muslim" roots.

2 years ago

Your system is what it is Shane and until you folks get some serious third party choices going that's all she wrote.  You vote for Obama or it would see - Romney because no one else has a chance this election cycle.

 

I truly hope a Conservative and/or strong Libertarian party takes root so that 2016 gives Americans a broader choice.  The thing with the middle line of the Repubs and Dem parties in America is that they are like twins.  You only see the difference between them when you swing hard left or right.

 

Ron Paul will in the end support the party.  Just watch.  His day in the sun is over but his son, Rand?  A rising star and not as libertarian as his father is.

2 years ago

Not the majority of Americans CAK .... independents do not care a whit about religion.  Only those on the very hard right do.  As a member of the Tea Party religion does not enter into our goals.  It is a divisive issue.  We needed a platform to unite under and that is what we did.

2 years ago

Wasn't Ronald Reagan the most inexperienced? Carter comes to mind, also.

 

Sorry about the errors in my other post.

It took most of the night to actually get onto the site.

I was tired.

 

Romney actually "said" he doesn't care about the poor?

 

Flava, "The economy is more than just numbers..."

 

It's peoples lives, but the Government doesn't seem to realize, or care that there are people behind these numbers, and their livelihoods are being taken away.

 

 

2 years ago

It's here, Electra. In context.

 

2 years ago

Thanks, Angela.  And Happy Birthday today!!

2 years ago

Not till the 12th, but thank you.

2 years ago

That was my wife's birthday.  Meeting with the kids tomorrow.  Have a great day Angela!

2 years ago

Have a great Day Cam, I think of you often. 

2 years ago

North korea is very worrisome and it ready for lift off and firing at any time now.

 

This is a big deal because they will supply Iran with long range nuclear missiles.

This test will tell all of us how advanced North Korea is in their missile technology.

 

North Korea and Iran are very erratic countries which are volatile; they isolate themselves but in a peculiar way are drawn to one another. 

 

The world should be concerned about this advancement and strange pact which could alter the balance of powers for every major country.  The nuclear power field of elimination and destruction is widening and the players are not trustworthy or competent to be stable.

2 years ago

Will be thinking of you and your family tomorrow, Cam.  How is everyone holding up?

2 years ago

Thank you, Cam.

2 years ago

And Happy Birthday to you Angela. (or what's left of it)   I know I said it in another group.

 

 

2 years ago

Happy Birthday Angela!

2 years ago

well, the Korean missile disintegrated minutes after take off. 

 

The Russians finally are on board and are joining the United Nations and all the countries upset with the North Koreans on their nuclear ballistic missile program.

 

They are unstable; look at the father and how weird he was.  The son is ruling along with his exiled uncle and aunt who came back to help him.  Do you want people like this with the power to push a button? 

 

 

2 years ago

lol, My younger brother, in his sick little way actually suggested something profoundly logical, in regards to nuclear weapons:

 

He suggested that every nation be given nuclear weapons, that way, no one will be too quick to put them to use, since everyone's got 'em, and can retaliate in kind. 

 

I figure it could work, actually.  Cowardly warmongers don't generally like to pick on anyone their own size.

2 years ago

Shane, that actually makes a lot of sense in a convoluted sort of way.

2 years ago

It is comparable to the speech Newt Gingrich gave yesterday at the National Rifle Association in St. Louis when he said if he were elected president he would issue a United Nation's resolution stating every person in every single country would have the right to bear arms.   Everyone should own a gun!

NRA Speech in St. Louis, Missouri Friday April 13th
2 years ago

Appearing before the National Rifle Association annual meeting this afternoon, Newt Gingrich called for a new United Nations treaty that would give the right to bear arms to every person on the planet.  This proposed treaty would counter the United Nations Small Arms Treaty currently supported by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

After Gingrich’s speech concluded, NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox came out on stage and said “The Gingrich Treaty…I like that.”

The Daily Beast noted that Newt’s reception from the crowd of 5,000 people was more enthusiastic than Governor Romney’s.

If the Republican presidential nomination were decided by the volume and energy of applause from thousands of National Rifle Association members gathered today in St. Louis, Newt Gingrich might yet have a shot at greatness.

Friday’s Celebration of American Values Leadership forum featured speeches by Mitt Romney, recent contender Rick Santorum, plus conservative stars like former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. But members of the influential gun lobby today reserved their greatest enthusiasms not for their presumptive nominee Romney, but for Newt Gingrich,  a candidate who perseveres to the wonderment of many and the joy of some.

The crowd was appreciative of the man who will likely court their votes this fall, but the NRA faithful became far more animated for Gingrich. With his characteristic flourish for sweeping and historical ideas, the former House speaker laid out a guideline for an international gun-rights movement that the NRA’s Cox called “the Gingrich Doctrine.”

“The right to bear arms comes from our creator, not our government,” Gingrich said. The NRA “has been too timid” in promoting its agenda beyond American borders. The Bill of Rights was not written only for Americans, he said. “It is a universal document.”

“A Gingrich presidency will submit to the UN a treaty that extends the right to bear arms as a human right to every person on the planet.” Every world citizen, he said, “deserves the right to defend themselves from those who exploit, imprison, or kill them.” For his latest big idea, Gingrich earned a standing ovation from the crowd of roughly 5,000.

“We don’t need to go across the planet trying to impose American values, but we do need to go across the planet spreading human values,” Gingrich said. “The Second Amendment is a right for all mankind.”

2 years ago

Wow.  Maybe the NRA agreed to pay Newt's latest Tiffany's bill.

2 years ago

Since I became a Republican, I got an invite to join the regional gun club.  I might do it, I could use a new recreation like shooting practice!

2 years ago

“We don’t need to go across the planet trying to impose American values, but we do need to go across the planet spreading human values,” Gingrich said. “The Second Amendment is a right for all mankind.”

 

This comment makes me convinced that Newt is stupid.  Global gun ownership - we can't even imagine what that would be like in developing nations.

2 years ago

"This comment makes me convinced that Newt is stupid.  Global gun ownership - we can't even imagine what that would be like in developing nations."

 

That way, we can declare war on them and keep that war economy going.



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2 years ago

Something to be said about the people being armed.  Your founders thought it an excellent idea because as long as the people are armed the government can always be brought in line.

 

Do you really thing your military would support a President who decided to be a dictator in America?  Do you really think they would take to shooting other Americans for standing up against such an attempt?  I don't.

 

No country in their right mind would try to 'invade' America.  Never mind the military - the people there are armed and would fight back.  I believe that.

 

As for arming third world nations?  Maybe if the people in Iran had guns they would throw their government out?  My doc is married to an Iranian and has spent time there recently.  Says they are good people.  Big hearted people but as an unarmed population they have nothing to fight back with but their lives.

 

Lives to radicals are cheap.  Mean nothing.  You cannot fight hand grenades with fists.  So you tow the line just to live.  EVEN IF you are the majority - being weaponless gives you nothing to fight with.

2 years ago

I was just being a bit flippant.  Don't really believe all those conpriacy theories but they sure are fun. 

2 years ago

N. Korea tried to invade the USA but they didn't have the technology (Remember those missiles that kept landing in the water?).  Also, where do you think a lot of the huge computer viruses come from?  N. Korea.  There are various ways to invade a country.  All it takes is one lunatic dictator on a mission.

2 years ago

What's really scary is if you imagine a place like Haiti with local and pervasive gun ownership.  A lot of humanitarian aid comes into Haiti, but none of it seems to find its way to the people.  They are often starving.  What's to stop armed conflicts in the street over food? The people will be slaughtered by their own soldiers.

2 years ago

 

<<Since I became a Republican, I got an invite to join the regional gun club.  I might do it, I could use a new recreation like shooting practice!>>

 

I can totally see this happening to Sheila:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxk_LPmdMI

 

Go for it, Sheila!

 

2 years ago

Tsk, tsk, such language LOL

That ...
2 years ago

Was freakin' hilarious! 

 

2 years ago

A large number of Democrats are gun owners too.  It is only the far left of that party that seems to oppose gun ownership.

 

Have to say I do not understand why some Americans need to buy things like machine guns and such.  Heard even that is legal in America in some states.

2 years ago

true Cam; but I was a lifelong democrat and this is my first invite to join the gun club.  I am going to it is good exercise for the hands and percision.  It might be a way to deal with anger too. 

 

newt gingrich got the largest applause at the NRA conference because of his U>N> resolution of worldwide gun ownership.  Romney spoke the most sane speech and he was well received.  I do believe in the right to bear arms, very important part of our constitution.

2 years ago

I would agree that all should be allowed to bear arms, for many reasons.  However, it is not our place to go around the world imposing our constitution on other nations. 

 

But, I certainly would like to see all people become armed.  It puts everyone on equal footing.  What happens then, is that people are then forced to make sense to get their way. Bullying becomes a lot more difficult, and more trouble than it's worth.  A gamble with stakes that are much too high. 

 

Sure, some complete fukking morons would probably misuse their arms, but, those guys would end up messing with the wrong person, and get killed themselves. 

 

But, like I said, the biggest benefit is that people will then be forced to abandon their "might makes right" mentality.  That's gotta go, like, yesterday.  (Along with religion, if ya ask me, but no one did, so, I'll leave that alone, for now.)

 

Thus plants the seeds of a society that would be governed by logic, by reason, by trust.  Can't go wrong with any of those.

 

 

2 years ago
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2 years ago

 

 

I thought it was the right to "bare arms."

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2 years ago

I'd bare my arms, but sadly, the muscle milk and gym trips haven't done much...

2 years ago

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