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2 years ago



Kansas Speaker O’Neal asks House GOP to pray for Obama’s death
MIKE O'NEAL JANUARY 14, 2012BY: MICHAEL STONE
 

Kansas House Speaker Mike O’Neal is under fire after asking Republican House members to pray for President Barack Obama’s death. O’Neal made the request via an email he forwarded to GOP colleagues in the House. In an email sent in December, O’Neal asked his fellow Republicans to pray Psalm 109, which contains the following lines:
 

Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
 

Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
 

The email has become the subject of a mini-media frenzy. Numerous major news outlets began reporting the details surrounding the disturbing prayer request on Friday.
 

"The relevant verse from Psalm 109 is considered a prayer for vengeance, a prayer for the death of a leader. The most damning part of the prayer is lines 7-12:
 

'When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
 

Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
 

Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
 

Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
 

Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labor.
 

Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.'
 

Think Progress reports that O’Neal forwarded the prayer with his own message:
 

“At last — I can honestly voice a Biblical prayer for our president! Look it up — it is word for word! Let us all bow our heads and pray. Brothers and Sisters, can I get an AMEN? AMEN!!!!!!”
 

News of the email is a sad commentary on Republican politics in Kansas. In addition, the email prayer request indicates an astonishing disregard and disrespect for the office of the presidency. For a government official to pray for the death of President Obama, and encourage other government officials to do the same, is not only morally reprehensible, it is also treason."
 

http://www.examiner.com/article/kansas-speaker-o-neal-asks-house-gop-to-pray-for-obama-s-death
 



This post was modified from its original form on 16 Jan, 22:22
2 years ago


That's because Republicans are racist bigots.
 

2 years ago

Not all, but certainly this one is. 

2 years ago

And these are our "Christians."  Nice.

2 years ago

This guys a scumbag, but want to talk about racist bigots, look no further then the even recent history of the democratic party



This post was modified from its original form on 24 Jan, 15:39
2 years ago


Explain.
 

Fact check it from any source of choice.
2 years ago

"Black History Month" has been observed for 29 years, yet many blacks know little to nothing about the parties' respective roles in advancing or hindering the civil rights of blacks. How many blacks know that following the Civil War, 23 blacks -- 13 of them ex-slaves -- were elected to Congress, all as Republicans? The first black Democrat was not elected to Congress until 1935, from the state of Illinois. The first black congressional Democrat from a Southern state was not elected until 1973.

Democrats, in 1854, passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act. This overturned the Missouri Compromise and allowed for the importation of slaves into the territories. Disgusted with the passage of this Act, free-soilers and anti-slavery members of the Whig and Democratic parties founded the Republican Party -- not just to stop the spread of slavery, but to eventually abolish it.

How many blacks know that blacks founded the Texas Republican Party? On July 4, 1867, in Houston, Texas, 150 blacks and 20 whites formed the party. No, not the Black Texas Republican Party, they founded the Texas Republican Party. Blacks across Southern states also founded the Republican parties in their states.

Fugitive slave laws? In 1850, Democrats passed the Fugitive Slave Law. If merely accused of being a slave, even if the person enjoyed freedom all of his or her life (as approximately 11 percent of blacks did just before the Civil War), the person lost the right to representation by an attorney, the right to trial by jury, and the right to habeas corpus.

Emancipation? Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment emancipating the slaves was passed with 100 percent of Republicans (88 of 88 in the House, 30 of 30 in the Senate) voting for it. Only 23 percent of Democrats (16 of 66 in the House, 3 of 8 in the Senate) voted for it.

Civil rights laws? In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed giving the newly emancipated blacks full civil rights and federal guarantee of those rights, superseding any state laws. Every single voting Republican (128 of 134 -- with 6 not voting -- in the House, and 30 of 32 -- with 2 not voting -- in the Senate) voted for the 14th Amendment. Not a single Democrat (zero of 36 in the House, zero of 6 in the Senate) voted for it.

Right to vote? When Southern states balked at implementing the 14th Amendment, Congress came back and passed the 15th Amendment in 1870, guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, with every Democrat voting against it.

Ku Klux Klan? In 1872 congressional investigations, Democrats admitted beginning the Klan as an effort to stop the spread of the Republican Party and to re-establish Democratic control in Southern states. As PBS' "American Experience" notes, "In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power. The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1865." Blacks, who were all Republican at that time, became the primary targets of violence.

Jim Crow laws? Between 1870 and 1875, the Republican Congress passed many pro-black civil rights laws. But in 1876, Democrats took control of the House, and no further race-based civil rights laws passed until 1957. In 1892, Democrats gained control of the House, the Senate and the White House, and repealed all the Republican-passed civil rights laws. That enabled the Southern Democrats to pass the Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, and so on, in their individual states.

Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act

Congressional records show that Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that were introduced by Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960

And during the 60's many Democrats fought hard to defeat the

1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1523692/posts

2 years ago

Blacks may have founded the Texas GOP, but that sure ain't what's happening now.  The GOP has become so out of touch with the lives of ordinary Americans that it isn't relevant anymore. The GOP has to change on behalf of the people or get lost. 

2 years ago

The GOP definitely needs to make changes, the above post is in response to Christians false characterization of Republicans and racism, in which he consistently makes such statements.

2 years ago

I wonder how many people around here prayed for Bush to die?

This is not about praying for someones death though. christian never checks his facts.

It was psalm line 109:8 that was referenced which states "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." even the ACLU has spoke out about this stating it is not hate speach. It references a certain line in a psalm. And this was done before his reelection so he was asking to pray that he does not get elected again.

As usual you fall for the hype and you post void of common sense and rationality. Just add it to the list of the sensationalist stories you push that end up not being factual. It is getting quite long at this point.

With all that said, O'neal is probably a racist. A typical elitist scumbag taking advantage of his position in our Congress. He is a lawyer turned politician. Quite possible the worst combination possible...

2 years ago

I am a left wing liberal and I am proud to say I never prayed for Bush to die. I just wanted him to go away and take Rove and Cheney with him.  And whether I did or didn't actually wouldn't have any bearing on this guy in Kansans praying PUBLICLY for the president's death. This is a public figure praying for this.  He has a position of some power.  How awful and crazy and sad.



This post was modified from its original form on 25 Jan, 15:10
2 years ago

This is a public figure praying for this.  He has a position of some power.  How awful and crazy and sad.


He is not saying pray for his death. I just explained it in my last post. The facts are being twisted in order to sensationalize this and use ot for political posturing.

Open your eyes and let the facts soak in...

2 years ago

Psalm 109?  And that's not praying for someone's suffering and death?  Well, what is, then?

2 years ago

Let his days be few in number??!!

Let his wife become a widow??!!

Let his children be fatherless??!!

 And that's not praying for someone's death?!  I am astounded that you would make this claim, Buck.  I mean, we can all read what it says and the meaning comes through loud and clear. This is just not acceptable from a public figure who was elected to office. Doesn't matter what political party this guy belongs to.  

Bible verses are often cruel and evil
2 years ago

This guy is too crazy to be in a leadership position at all.

2 years ago

Psalm 109?


No, psalm 109:8. Let's try this one more time.

He said psalm 109:8 in the email. It referenced a specific line in the psalm.

"Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

It is that line and nothing more. Do you understand? Or are you just going to ignore this fact?


I mean, we can all read what it says and the meaning comes through loud and clear.


Yes, we all can read. But can you read the fact that he only referenced one line in the psalm? psalm 109:8. The story left that small fact out. This story is being twisted and sensationalized and you are helping to keep this lie going.

This is what they want, people like you to ignore the details of a story and pass along the misinformation. I guess it works well, I mean you have clearly seen that he only referenced on specific line yet you keep spouting off these other lines in the psalm that he did not reference.

Do you see why this story is not a story now? Do you see the manipulation of detail?

Can you accept reality?

2 years ago


Buck, you don't seem to be very concerned about the actual issue, which is that some politican from Kansas was praying for President Obama's death and is urging others to do the same.

But then again, that isn't surprising
 
 

2 years ago

Buck, you don't seem to be very concerned about the actual issue, which is that some politican from Kansas was praying for President Obama's death and is urging others to do the same.


But that is a lie.

That is not what he asked. Like I said even the ACLU has addressed this. This story is nothing more than a cheap attempt at manipulation.Look, I admit the guy is a clown but this story is false.

If lying is how you have to do things then what does that make you..?

2 years ago


Why not tell us, since you are an expert at lying? 
 

2 years ago

I am not the one perpetuating a lie here.

That is you.

It's been explained. You know the truth now. You can do with it what you wish...

Wow ...
2 years ago

If that's true (and accurate in context), then that guy's an asshole. 

That would be the individual ... not all republicans.

2 years ago

It is not true. He referenced a specific line which does nto include what this story is stating.

If this article that christian posted was interested in the real story they would have noted that th email clearly stated psalm 109:8 which does not include any of the previous or following parts of the psalm.

He should have never sent the email though.

This is the level of critical thinking we get in Congress. It's scary...

2 years ago


If it isn't all Republicans who are assholes, I wouldn't mind knowing which ones aren't. If there are a few non-assholes, who are they? 

I'm betting it's a short list.
 

2 years ago

I wouldn't mind knowing which ones aren't. If there are a few non-assholes, who are they?


It's too subjective. I thought you were finally going to try being more objective. Objectivity is like  your kryptonite...



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 11:22
2 years ago


Like facts and truth are your Kryptonite?
 

2 years ago

No.

How can you possibly be saying anything about truth or facts when you are, not only, supporting this article lying about the situation but stating the lie yourself?

How insane are you..?

This sums up every conversation with you, ever:
2 years ago


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2 years ago

How can you still be trying to lecture about facts when you are participating in a lie right here on this thread? You brain should be studied...

2 years ago

You quoting Bill Maher is like a right wing nutter quoting Rush Limbaugh. This is where you are on the political spectrum...



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 12:38
2 years ago

Ther overall meaning of Psalm 109 is praying for someone's destruction and death.  Period.  End of story.  

Oh - and it is "Let his days be few in number."

How else can you interpret that except  as a wish for someone to die soon?



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 13:02
2 years ago

OK,  since Buck is saying that the full Bible verse was not used and since I have also read that he called Mrs. Obama, Mrs. YoMama, I decided to do a little research.

I have not seen an actual copy of an email.  Don't know what to believe.  PErhpas he really did use half of the quote and not the other half and perhpas he really did simply mean that he wanted to see Obama gone from office as soon as possible. 

Without actually seeing the email or at least having someone with a name who receieved the email speaking up, it is difficult to know either way.

As it is, the earliest version of this I have found was from Jan 3.  He apologized on Jan 5. 

Why are we talking about it weeks later?

2 years ago

"Kansas’s House speaker has apologized for forwarding an email dubbing Michelle Obama“Mrs. YoMama” and likening her to the Grinch, according to reports.

So the Mrs. YoMama part IS true.
2 years ago

How else can you interpret that except  as a wish for someone to die soon?


Are you for real or are you just messing around?

I guess i'll try one more time.

In the email he referenced this "psalm 109:8."

He did not say "psalm 109."

That is the issue. 109:8 is the line that says this "May his days be few; may another take his office."

That is all. The rest of this is a manipulation of what this guy wrote. It is sensationalism and it is a lie. What don't you understand about this? How could you possibly ignore the facts on this and just regurgitate this lie over and over?

This is astounding to witness. This thread will be valuable in the future...

2 years ago

If a staff attorney from the ACLU doesn't agree then that is about as far as this needs to go.

And the email did state "109:8." That is the fact that is being left out...

2 years ago

I think what you are suggesting is wishful thinking, Buck.  "Let his days be few in number."

2 years ago


Except Bill Maher is truthful and accurate, whereas Rush Limbaugh is not.
 

2 years ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/mike-oneal-obama-death-prayer-psalm-109_n_1205059.html



Mike O'Neal, Kansas House Speaker, Emails Prayer Some Say Wishes For Obama's Death

First Posted: 01/13/2012 3:19 pm EST Updated: 01/19/2013 12:12 pm EST

"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8." That's the slogan an email from O'Neal refers to, a phrase that's become popular in some circles on bumper stickers and other merchandise. The bible passage itself reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office." The real controversy arises in the next verse of Psalm 109, however, which continues, "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."



(read entire article at link)

2 years ago

So Buck is right that this guy used that one line and others took it for the enitre prayer.

This one line alone reads to me as if he is saying may his days in office be few.  The rest of that prayer could lead one to think he is praying for death however.

Personally, these Kansas republicans are not among my favorites at all for a few reasons.  This idiot needs to have better advisors on what he writes and says that is for sure.  Do I think it is because he is racist.  Not really.  He just doesn't like the other side.   He doesn't like the east coast either.

I think he has a rather narrow view on things. 

Just my take on it.

That's my opinion.

2 years ago

And he did refer to Mrs. Obama as Mrs. YoMama.  Agree with you completely Suzanne. 

(is that different than referring to her as Moochelle?)



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 14:08
2 years ago

They're all stupid references and adults, especially those who hold an office that represents people should know better and grow the fuk up.

2 years ago

Agree, just trying to be silly.  There is a difference.  It was an elected politician who used the temr Mrs. YoMama.  SO far, I have not seen that with the name Moochelle.

Personally, I have never cared for that kind of thing. 

2 years ago

"May his days be few in number" is a curse.  You are asking for someone's death if you use that one. I would also go a step faurther and say that the meaning of psalm 109 is loud and clear.  Why use it at all?  To use one line of it calls to mind the rest of it.



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 14:27
2 years ago

"Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

I am not religious or a witch so I cannot say if it is a curse or a prayer.


I suppose it is up to each individual to decide.

Just to add, I had no idea what that Psalm calls for or says, so the one line alone might mean something completely different without the rest.



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 14:29
2 years ago

"Let his days be few in number."

2 years ago

I don't think he meant it in a death wish..but truly the man is ignorant and quite clueless as to the entire context of the verse of Psalm 109 ..

Guess he has nothing better to do than to continue to display his own ignorance ..And that of course is what caused such a stir in this whole thing..


2 years ago

Angelica, you want to use the whole Psalm for your purposes.  Yet just above you only quote "Let his days be few in number."  Which I don't know the prayer but I do believe you are adding the in number part and forgetting, the let another take his office part.   I think that is a big piece to it all.

Dee, I agree with you.  The man is a fool.

2 years ago

If one has read Psalm 109, one tends to never forget it.  It is so angry and calls for the most severe revenge so strongly.  109:8 is the line that was quoted.   The line immediately after it is

               "Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."


Certain kinds of politicians like to say one thing for their base and then pretend they didn't mean any of it for the mainstream media.  Trent Lott used to be real good at that.  He used to speak to white supremacist groups about "We want OUR America back;" and his base knew that he meant a southern white America.  When questioned about statements like this, he would feign ignorance of any hidden (or not so hidden) meaning.  

When we see things like this on either side of the aisle, we need to call these guys out on it.  We should have a policy of 0 tolerance for stuff like this.

2 years ago

Angelica, you may have a point that politicians use words to their advantage, hardly a one sided thing.  However, for accuracy he used one line.

I don't know that prayer and to be honest based just on that one line.  I wish another would take that office as well.

Is the let the children be fatherless part of that same line 109.8.  If so, then it seems fairly clear.  If not, not so much.

I never would support anyone calling for the death of our President, no matter what side he might hail from.  No matter who does the calling for it.

Can you prove this is what he meant or is this just your feeling on it?  There is a difference.



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 14:47
2 years ago

Sorry Suzanne,, I missed your last post.  Here goes:

I am starting with 109:6.

Set thou a wicked man over him 

         and let Satan stand at his right hand.

When he shall be judged, let him be condemned:

        and let his prayer become sin.

Let his days be few in number

        and let another take his office. 

 Let his children be fatherless,
        and his wife a widow.

 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg:
        let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath;
        and let the strangers spoil his labor.

 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him:
        neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.

Let his posterity be cut off;
        and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD;
        and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.

 Let them be before the LORD continually,
        that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

It goes on for a while longer, but you get the idea.  It is not easy to separate one line of that Psalm from the rest of it because it is so extremely vindictive in tone.

2 years ago

Hi Dee!  I agree!

2 years ago

I have to be honest religion is not my cup of tea and more often then not I kind of get creeped out by it all.  I don't mean to offend anyone with that, I just do.  I find it all very judgemental and yes sometimes brutal.

I just don't get it I suppose.

2 years ago

Angelica, good read

In the entirety, yea.  Not good at all.  If just that one line.  Totally different.

I think this guy might be religious, knows the line and thought he was making a funny.  The reality is he didn't at all.  The reason I say that is because he only quoted the one line, which reads different when not with the rest.  Could it be a message otherwise to his constituents, possibly.



This post was modified from its original form on 28 Jan, 14:54
2 years ago

Not creeped out here Suzanne..I feel the same way..

Hi Nancy..

It is easy enough to look up the bible online..which is what I did..and again I don't think the man is evil..ignorant.. ..Very much so..

2 years ago

It goes on for a while longer, but you get the idea.  It is not easy to separate one line of that Psalm from the rest of it because it is so extremely vindictive in tone.


Actually it's real easy. You simply reference the line you want like this guy did by stating 109:8.

If he meant to apply the whole psalm then he would have just said 109. But he did not.

Main point here is you do not have to sensationalize this. The guy has done enough in the past to tarnish his name. This is the point: why perpetuate this manipulated story? You don't have to...

2 years ago

Buck, I will give the benefit of the doubt to you.  I don't think you are being disingenuous. I think you mean what you say and really believe that it was just one line that was harmless and out of context.  But I do think he was being disingenuous.  I suspect that he wanted to call up the entire psalm in his audience's mind.  That one line would do it if the audience is familiar with the psalm, if they are regular churchgoers.  And if he referred specifically to Psalm 109 for his intended audience, then they could look it up and figure out what else he meant.  

There are so many beautiful psalms in the Bible.  Why this one?  I have to wonder.  And I think it's rotten.   Just my opinion, but I am sticking to it. 

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