START A PETITION 25,136,189 members: the world's largest community for good
START A PETITION
x
Group Discussions
Does the company you keep say something...
1 year ago

Obama Golfed With Oil Men As Climate Protesters Descended On White House

Posted: 02/20/2013 9:36 am EST  |  Updated: 02/20/2013 10:32 am EST

WASHINGTON -- On the same weekend that 40,000 people gathered on the Mall in Washington to protest construction of the Keystone Pipeline -- to its critics, a monument to carbon-based folly -- President Obama was golfing in Florida with a pair of Texans who are key oil, gas and pipeline players.

Obama has not shied away from supporting domestic drilling, especially for relatively clean natural gas, but in his most recent State of the Union speech he stressed the urgency of addressing climate change by weaning the country and the world from dependence on carbon-based fuels.

"We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy and the most severe drought in decades and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence," Obama said in the speech, last week. "Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science -- and act before it's too late."

But on his first “guys weekend" away since he was reelected, the president chose to spend his free time with Jim Crane and Milton Carroll, leading figures in the Texas oil and gas industry, along with other men who run companies that deal in the same kinds of carbon-based services that Keystone would enlarge. They hit the links at the Floridian Yacht and Golf Club, which is owned by Crane and located on the Treasure Coast in Palm City, Fla.

Carroll is the chairman of CenterPoint Energy, a public utility company based in Houston, Texas. He is not a major donor to political candidates, having given just $5,800 since 2007, including a $2,300 donation to Obama's first presidential campaign. CenterPoint Energy benefited from the 2009 federal stimulus law signed by Obama through its receipt of $200 million in federal grant money to upgrade its system to a Smart Grid.





(Go to above link for rest)

1 year ago

Well, since this does involve oil men and such.  Has anybody noticed how much the gas has gone up in just one month.  Outrageous!

That is always helpful to a family budget, a business budget.  Maybe small businesses who run trucks will have to let another employee go just to pay to gas the vehicles up.  Will it never end?

1 year ago


Oh, like you actually care about the environment. 

The evidence for how little you care can be seen in your very next weepy post about how expensive gas is. Welcome to the rest of the world. Canadians pay far more and Europeans even more than that (and always have). American gas prices have always been artificially low. Boo hoo. Free ride is over. Get an electric car.

 P.S. Name one President in recent memory who hasn't spent leisure time associating with oil, gas and pipeline flacks. Where were you during the Bush golfing years?

 

1 year ago

Personally, I don't care if he golfs or who he golfs with.  I got a kick out of the article.

I do care about the enivironment, I care about alot things.

Yes, gas going up over 50 cents a gallon in less than a month is a concern.  Especially when these are supposed to be the cheaper months.  Did you ever run a dumptruck Christian?

I really don't care about your opinion on American gas prices.  I just don't.  I have heard it a million times over the years and I didn't care about it then or now.

Gotta run...

Thanks for trolling...

1 year ago


You're welcome.

My only opinion is that I have very little sympathy. It's not like any of this has been a big, giant secret. The world's supply of oil is now half gone. Everyone else's gas has always cost more. Prices will never, ever go down. The impending halfway point has been known for years, yet no one seems to have been taking it seriously by preparing. No pressure being put on companies to develop dump trucks which run on something other than gas.

I do feel very sorry for those who can't do anything about it, but most people can. They just refuse and complain.

 

1 year ago

Really Christian...don't care?!  How is it that anything that is ever developed is squashed or the person that invents it!  Our government is in bed with the oil giants...always have been.  We could get better gas mileage 40 years ago if the oil companies would allow it.

You strike Suzanne for no reason.  She and her husband are trying to make a living and running a dump truck is a big part of that living, so maybe she can pay for the damn Obamacare that is being stuffed down her throat.  You don't think she would like a dump truck that ran on electric or got mega miles per gallon?  Why is it her fault?  You are heartless, Christian.  Hope the price of cameras becomes out of your reach!!!  Then maybe you can feel her pain.



This post was modified from its original form on 20 Feb, 17:26
1 year ago

Hi Donna, nice to see you.  Hope you and yours are well.

With regard to higher gas costs.  It's bad for so many businesses and towns bottom line.  Truckers, cabbies, school budgets and town budgets for vehicles they use.  It hits us in so many areas these higher gas prices.

I can tell you to run our school buses is not a cheap endeavor.  To run snow plows and such is not a cheap endeavor.  Where do you suppose they come to when they need more cash?

So it hits us personally in our daily lives through personal use.  It also hits us in our property taxes which pay for the schools and towns to operate. Higher food prices because trucking costs go up.   Higher commodities of any kind due to higher transportation costs. 



It just trickles all over the place.

Maybe they were discussing that at their golf outing.  You know looking out for the little guy



This post was modified from its original form on 20 Feb, 18:09
1 year ago

It hurts us all Sue, everyone one of us, even if we don't own a car or drive.  But we have Einstein here that thinks getting an electric car will fix it all.  duh!  Crap, why didn't we all think of that!

Hanging in there Sue.  Hope all is well with you and yours.

1 year ago

I wonder how much electricity would cost us?  That surely is no bargain either.  Maybe the government will give us all electric vehicles when we turn in our gas guzzling ones.  That would be sweet! 

Donna, we are hanging tough as usual.  Thanks for asking

1 year ago

Aww ELECTRICITY... now that is a bargain!  LOL  And so healthy for the environment!  Yes, lets all get on that train...electric train that is! 



This post was modified from its original form on 20 Feb, 18:49
1 year ago


$2.00 to "fill up" your electric car from empty versus ... how much to fill up an entire tank with gas from empty?

Donna, I guess you don't get out much. Electric and hybrids are here, now. In fact, I'm off to the Auto Show tomorrow to take photos of all the latest electrics and hybrids, of which there are many. Nobody is "squashing" anything now except people like you.

Get out more, Donna. See the world. See how it's changing.

1 year ago


Wow! Renewable, sustainable power that can be used to charge electric vehicles!

http://www.bullfrogpower.com/

Whoever could have thought? 

And it's been around for years.
 
You really should get out of the house more often, Donna. 

1 year ago


<<Aww ELECTRICITY... now that is a bargain!  LOL  And so healthy for the environment!  Yes, lets all get on that train...electric train that is! >>

Oh, yes. SO much worse than coal, gas, nuclear and oil.  

Do you even bother reading what you write, Donna


1 year ago

$2.00 really?  Honestly, I don't know if that is true by Jersey electric prices but I find that highly unlikely.

1 year ago

Oh really Christian!  They are!  So tell us how electric is going to save us in the long run...where does this electric come from?  

Yes, I need to get out more, keep telling my hubby that! 

1 year ago


This post was modified from its original form on 20 Feb, 19:17
1 year ago


This post was modified from its original form on 20 Feb, 19:17
1 year ago

OK checked the link.  Nice.

1 year ago

Wonder how long before this all comes about?  If it is allowed to come about.  Lots of ifs.  Guess we'll have to wait and see.  But for now...

1 year ago


How much more than $2.00 could it possibly cost to charge up a car for 6-8 hours? Maybe $3.00? The question is: How much does it cost to filll an empty tank with gas? I'm pretty sure it's a hell of a lot more than $2 or $3.


Donna, why not tell us how oil and coal will save us in the long run, especially now that the world's supply of oil is half gone, and that burning coal produces so many carcinogens and global warming gases?

1 year ago


Or better yet, maybe you should go lock your door now and go to bed. You don't want any of the outside world getting in.

1 year ago

And since there is all this fracking and pipe line talk...we'll see. 

1 year ago

You are something! But code of conduct won't allow me to say what that is..you of course do and we know how that ends.

1 year ago


I'm guessing you support fracking too. Oh, well. Have a good night.

1 year ago

What is wrong with you?

1 year ago

Donna, why even bother to wonder?  Who cares?

1 year ago

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/the-true-cost-of-powering-an-electric-car.html


I thought this was interesting as I really didn't know much of cost involved with electric vehicles.  The comments below indicate high cost of battery.  I will need to check that out. 

1 year ago

Comments on that last link were very interesting.  Thanks Sue.

No worry Sue, didn't lose any sleep over my last comment to Christian...  LOL

1 year ago


They are still a work in progress, and you have to do more planning when driving one, but they sure save on gas and the environment. There are also hybrids for those who need to travel far everyday, and there's also the Chevy Volt which uses only electric for the first 60 kilometres (approximately, depending on city or highway driving), and then switches to a gas-powered engine which powers an electric generator to extend the range to almost another 500 kilometres.

Many local governments are offering substantial rebates and tax credits for buying one.
 

1 year ago



The idea is that if you own a home out in the suburbs, you would install a solar power system for your garage and charge off that. Downtown condo dwellers would be unlikely to be able to install solar panels anywhere, though as mentioned in one of my posts above, some cities have green powered utility companies. it would just be a question of convincing the condo board to switch to green power. Start up costs are admittedly high, but after that, you start saving.

Anyway, green power is inevitable. There won't be any choice soon. Oil is running out, and traditional methods of creating energy are dirty, expensive, non-renewable and unsustainable.

1 year ago

Oh, like you actually care about the environment.


You have said this to many people including me. I think we figured out that I actually do more for the environment than you.

I mean I actually do things like river cleanups, stream restoration, plant trees and put up barriers so people will not compact soil along river banks etc...

So what do you actually do anything except act like you care more than everyone?


The world's supply of oil is now half gone.


I would like to know what studies you are basing this statement on.

This debate relies heavily on definitions and opinions. At some point we are going to run out of easily extracted and cost effective oil. Given the technology we have now.

But who knows what technology will come about in the next 20-30 years. It could open up a whole new world of oil production.

So no one really knows if our supply is half gone. It is an opinionated guess at this point...

1 year ago


Naturally, and predictably, Buck leaves out the fact that the population of the Earth is now over 7 billion and is growing exponentially, on top of the fact that a lot of third world countries are now developing at a speedy rate, with car ownership way higher than even just five years ago. Oil demand has never been higher, and it's only increasing. There isn't enough oil to meet future demands. Alternative energy sources are inevitable.
 

1 year ago

Of course they are Christian.  It will take time and lets hope we get our power grids get updated and China, or anyone else, doesn't mess with them.

And since coal and nuclear run so many power plants...seems like it's kind of a no win situation. It all has a long way to go.

So back to the company people keep. 

1 year ago

Two years ago our school system put solar panels on the roof.  A large area.  A lot of solar panels.  To be honest, when looking at the budget for electricity costs.  There is not much happening in the beneficial category.  I have always liked solar because it is a natural free option with no harm to anyone.  I questioned about the life of those panels.  I believe they said every 7 years they need to be replaced to be effective and every year they lose a bit of effectiveness.

That could be a costly endeavor to keep changing up panels.  Also, if you need to replace your roof for any reason.  That is a huge cost to remove the solar and then repair a roof.  So there are some downfalls that are costly.

As far as governments subsidizing costs for this or offering rebates.  In New Jersey that well dried up long ago. 

So while I still like solar.  It is definitely not a perfect solution.

I like the idea of electric with gas backup for a vehicle.  I just think you have greater flexibility with that.

1 year ago


Germany is over halfway there right now. They are about to decommission some nuclear plants because so many people have switched to solar. That's happening right now. Not sure what's taking North America so long.
 

1 year ago

Oil demand has never been higher, and it's only increasing. There isn't enough oil to meet future demands. Alternative energy sources are inevitable.


That does not say anything to support your statement.


Oil demand is higher than it has ever been.


You say that as if it some sort of epiphany. Naturally, demand is always increasing until a viable alternative is reached.

We do not have one that can support this world yet though. It will not be wind, it will not be solar. At this point we have nothing that can keep product moving like it needs to except oil.

Natural gas could be a big player as well as ethanol and hydrogen. We just need to explore that science a little more.

You seem to come at this with an angle that I want to keep using oil. I am indifferent on what we use to keep all of this going but reality dictates that we need oil right now. I am not invested in oil and welcome any cleaner and cheaper solution.

Also reality tells we do not know if we have tapped into all the reserves we have on this planet. So, back to the original point of all this, no one knows if we have used half of the oil on this planet. Well, we actually do know we have not. It is just a technological barrier that keeps us from extracting from certain areas...

1 year ago

I am not a huge fan of wind.  You need alot of space for that.  I also don't like the damage or potential damage it has for our bird populations or bat populations.  I know they say that not many are actually caught up in these turbines.  I wonder.

The more we put up the more in the paths of migrating birds we will encroach.

Also, unless they can find a really compact solution this does not work well for cities or even most homeowners.

1 year ago

There isn't enough oil to meet future demands.


We have, given what we know about and can extract easily right now, about 45 years worth of oil. That is now. That does not include what we cannot extract right now because the technology isn't there.

So you need to Define "future demands..."

1 year ago

Wind power and birds.

I refer to these guys for an educated read:

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/wind_policy.html

1 year ago

Good information Buck.  Thanks!  That is a hell of alot of potential loss of birds and raptors.  I am glad they are looking at more friendly ways of doing this.

However #4 on the list made me laugh a bit...

Such compensation could include acquiring additional land for the National Wildlife Refuge system, or other off-site habitat conservation projects.

Do you think the birds who's habitat and migratory paths are destroyed will know to go there?

(of course, that is a joke for those who might like to jump on it as a serious statement.)

This thread is archived. To reply to it you must re-activate it.