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hello new members! August 24, 2006 6:44 PM

And a warm welcome. Please let us know what you think. Also, if you've got any 'silly questions' that you don't want to post in the other threads you can post them here.  [ send green star]
 
anonymous  August 27, 2006 11:42 AM

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Comments on Green Tax Shift idea August 31, 2006 11:33 AM

Hello committed and creative people,

Freediver had posted this idea on a blog, and I had responded. He asked me to join and post my comment on this forum. Not sure if this is the best topic, but hope you read and respond.

My comments:

- in the U.S. one in 8 people lives in poverty, and that's not counting the illegal immigrant families (1 in 20 workers in the US is illegal). The poor pay very little if any income taxes, so how will a reduction in income tax help them cope with the increase in price of core products? Won't it make their situation perhaps more dire?

- in a globalized world where the cost of commodities is dictated by the market, one country's taxes hurt its exports just the same as another country's subsidies help that country's exports. On what basis should one country decide to take on the task of curbing emissions at the expense of its exports?

Re the last point, I don't mean to come across as defeatist. If countries behaved as its people in doing the right thing, the world would be a better place.

The 2nd point is an economical one. Say, I buy Natural Gas and make fertilizer or plastic. Let's say I am in a country which has the market share on these products. Consequently, perhaps my industry pollutes a lot. If my country wanted to make a dent in its emissions and chose to tax Natural gas, suddenly my industry is hit in a very bad way. Not only does this have economic consequences for my country, it has consequences for the world which has come to rely on my products.

Am I off base here? If so, my apologies.

Generally, I think taxation has to be fairly administered with attention paid to the total cost of the product/service. Unfortunately, like all things monetary, tax reform has become a political hot potato.

A related problem is Peak Oil, and ASPO has come up with a protocol for averting problems by proposing an international accord, Oil Depletion Protocol. Somehow there was consensus that tax reform will not fly. If you want to read more, Richard Heinberg has a description (also in his latest book).

Personally, I believe a global accord, followed by communities signing on to it [as is happening with Kyoto in the US] is the way to go. Such taxes are by their very nature federal, and I have no faith in federal governments. If federal governments don't sign on, communities (cities, counties, state) should be able to sign on, somehow.Of course, my experience is colored by living in the States.

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 August 31, 2006 5:29 PM

I think this thread might be a better place to discuss this:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=6314&pst=547420&archival=

Sorry to give you the runaround like this!

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