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10 years ago
well, I'm new here, so hello :) I don't know how long this group has been standing, but, I'm suprised there aren't more people interested in this topic. I say we just build a slew of covered moving walkways (like the airports have, but bigger) and run bikes on them. You could easily get 45mph sustained (relative to anyone not on the beltways that is) with pedal power alone. I myself am lucky that I can walk to my place of work most days so I don't often have need of a vehicle. I have been noticing more and more people passing by on bikes and foot though I don't know if that is a force of economy or choice of ideals. In any case, glad to see you here :)
10 years ago
. Hi Erik and welcome to the group! I like moving walkways but I don't see them catching on in a big way because of their relative cost and distance limitations. Here in San Francisco we use light-rail which goes to most parts of the city. Lars
10 years ago
i was just kidding actually :) I'd really like to see them quit talking about foreign dependence on oil and start talking about dependence on oil in general though. They could really do a lot to fund alternative trans. Or at least do better in not promoting consumption. You know, the whole being able to write off the purchase cost of a hummer if it is used for business and you only get a 2000$ tax credit for owning a hummer.
10 years ago
2000$ tax credit for prius rather...suv's rile me up...we need an edit function on c2c :)
10 years ago
The problem with the covered skyways etc. is the suburbs. I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and there is nowhere near enough public transportation in the suburbs. I walk or bike to what I can, but the sad fact is that urban sprawl and a lax approach to not only encouraging public transportation, but funding public transportation are primary causes to the dependance on cars that we now face in America. I know that in Australia, even in the suburbs of Melbourne, public transportation is thriving so much that it is used as much as in Chicago or other urban areas of America. We need a major overhaul of our priorities transportation-wise, especially getting rid of the tax credit for the entire cost of an H2. That is absurd and shows what is wrong with the government of America in a nutshell. Alternative fuels are not only viable, but we could fully fund the technologies for less than a quarter of our yearly defense budget.
10 years ago
ah but daniel...you're not thinking this through. How can I show the ladies what a big man I am if I'm not flying past them in my very own v8 truck or sportscar? How dare you try to say that my choices as an AMERICAN be legislated! I'd love to see more bus routes. Though that would mean subsidizing or publicizing (i suppose thats the word, whatever the antonym of privatizing would be) public transportation so it could run at a loss, and of course that won't be happening. Frankly, I'd love more telecommute jobs being available as well. With VoIP it would be very possibly for all call center/tech support/customer service to be done from anyones home seamlessly. I'd take a paycut if it meant I didn't have to travel to work. People really just need to do their best to not commute as much as they do here in the states, instead of driving 30 miles there and 30 miles back, just move there or get a job near home. Ah well, I don't have the solutions to this one really. All wishes and dreams :)
10 years ago
YES, people like their cars! (my question is WHY?) Out of all the people I know in this world, I know only ONE person/family who has NO car - he bikes EVERYWHERE. Jason (my husband) and I see him here, we see him there, we see him 4 towns over, we see him in the rain, I have seen him ON THE HIGHWAY (scary!!) THAT's dedication! As I posted under 'no car', we would LOVE (and are aiming) to become a 1-car family, but I doubt we could go completely carless because friends and family live too far away, with no easy way (and in some cases, no possible way) to get there by public transport.
10 years ago
Dan, what's an "H2"?
10 years ago
hes on vacation...An h2 is a Hummer version 2. http://www.hummer.com/ but i like this site even better.... http://www.fuh2.com/submissions.php (that takes you to the best part of fuh2.com).
10 years ago
Hi, I just joined. I live about 12 miles from work, I bike there most of the time in the in the warm months, except for winter. Hardly anyone bikes to where I work, I have the longest commute of those of us who do. I love the ride, it helps me get REAL fit in the summer. I don't like driving, would prefer to bike/walk. I only drive when I have to. I just reached 1200 miles on my bike for this year today. I love it!
10 years ago
too bad most americans are lazy :) I used to bike to work but the road i travel is dangerous, now i walk or catch a ride with my girlfriend. I don't own a car currently, haven't for a couple years now though I need to get one ASAP. I think it would be great if there were more economical car choices available. More things are popping up now though, like the Toyota Scion which gets 31/38 and the Chevy aveo (don't know mileage, its high though, small engine). The car companies just need to quit playing on the power lust in advertising, all those great commercials showing cars drifting sideways through desert or whipping down mountains that most of us will never drive through.
automobiles!
10 years ago
i'm 33 and never had a license, my family and friends think that's a silly way to be. i can drive. whenever i lived out in the country, i'd buy or barter myself a cheap cheap car and travel/drive only when i felt i needed to. whenever i live where there's public transportation it's my preferred method. drive in traffic isn't very relaxing, no time for reading our conversation with eye contact :) at least for me. now i'm married and laws are much stricter- for instance the police will impound your car and charge sometimes more than the value of the car. my husband does not feel cool with letting me drive (his car)anywhere without a license and i wish there was some way around this. oh well! i am all for automated highways http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/may98/features/smarter/smarter.html and environmentally safe cars http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1594/is_3_10/ai_54623292 i guess people do like their cars! they are so engrained in our culture and egos as symbols of freedom, power, sexuality and progress that itís very difficult maybe somewhat painful to separate ourselves from the comforts they provide. but weíve evolved and progressed past the need to sooth the ego with tools that damage the health of the earth and itís inhabitants. i'm a smoker and am cutting back till i'm through altogether with smoking but what gets me is the antismoking campaigns by people who drive from here till tomorrow and/or eat a places like mcee dís which much more drastically contribute to the sickness our society and children. http://www.supersizeme.com/ Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be. Thomas a' Kempis (1380-1471) Imitation of Christ, c.1420 Book I, Chapter 16
10 years ago
well, the matter of car and ego was not an issue until the most recent 50 years of this country in my mind. Marketing was not what it is until this past half century. And it really is a machine of marketing, from birth on it is always the person in the fast, fancy car who is the coolest. Always the one who is most successful, depicted as being most desirable. We are a society of materialistic value more than any other nation in the world. How big your house is, how expensive your car is, and the name that isn't yours, plastered across your chest are the most important things to society in general. There are plenty of people who live outside this little bubble but, evidently reality TV and mass consumerism is still winning the day. And speaking of reality tv....that crap is even on the discovery channel and TLC...what a pisser :) If our economy implodes upon itself some day as they keep bankrupting the poor, another 50 years after that point may see some normalcy, some modicum of humans seeing humans for who they are rather than what they own. Too bad that isn't today :) And Liberty, you could always get yourself a license and just not drive :) In IL they only need to be renewed every 8 years and they don't cost very much. Might be worth it in the moments you need one :)
well said
10 years ago
love it. thank you! greenies to you!
10 years ago
Yay, Laurie! I don't like driving either, and am so happy to meet some like-minded people! I consider it a necessary evil, and that DEFINATELY does not seem the norm for America. And I agree with Liberty, Erik - well said! The marketing machine and mass consumerism sure seems to be winning the day! And, don't even get me started on "reality" TV!!! Ugh!
10 years ago
I love riding my bike, I'm burning calories and saving gas at the same time. Just made 1310 miles yesterday. I have saved 6 1/2 tanks of gas so far this year, not too shabby.
10 years ago
I love hearing people who don't like reality tv :) I agree big time. I really hope that stuff disappears soon.
10 years ago
I absolutely hate reality tv....ycccch
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10 years ago
Hi All. My name's Theresa. I just became a member of this group and Care2 for that matter. I especially love points made by Dan H. and Eric V. Our unceasing expansion of urban sprawl into ever more remote areas of the country (where they don't think to incorporate well-mixed retail, office and residential buildings-- but plot row after row of homogeneous house plots only) makes it hard for the avg. person living inside this system to answer "What CAN I do?" They'll say, "It would take me 45 minutes down pedestrian UNfriendly roads just to get to a single store." So, something bigger has to change before we ask someone to CHOOSE between driving and walking. I think the way we can start fixing this is to fashion the question to the avg. American as: Would you want communities where your shopping, working and living needs are easily situated around one another? Can I get a witness for who DOESN'T love sitting in highway traffic? I don't think we'd get many dissenters to either of these questions. As for marketing cars to the customer who feels (s)he needs to prove (s)he can have friends with a set of wheels.....dont' get me started. Too late :) However, a truth that these marketers HAVE tapped into is that people want to be liked and WITH other people. What better way to establish these connections than in a tight-knit, pedestrian friendly community? (Didn't anyone ever watch Little House on the Prairie or some similar old-town program and notice that everyone greets everyone else because they're walking by? Do you see anyone greeting their fellow highway commuter? I think not. Furthermore, cars shouldn't symbolize freedom. If anything, you are slave to the oil you must consume and the unpredictable amount of traffic you might encounter. Instead, I propose we market how your two feet represent freedom of movement. Hope you like my thoughts. -Theresa
10 years ago
You have some great ideas theresa :) My concern is just what it would take to basically tear down the suburubs. I would love to see that sort of serious change, but too many people would be inconvenienced in established burbs such as the one I currently live in. They say that the population of the usa will double within the next 50 years. I can't even imagine it. And just think of the increase in the number of cars, because no one wants to walk. There are highways in atlanta with 8 lanes in each direction...and they still get congested. Just think of the immense freedom one will have whilst tooling down the 32 lane mega-free-way of tomorrow at a blazing 25mph, enjoying the carbon monoxide of their neighbor with a smile and a nod, a tip of the hat. But by then we will have those fancy cars that drive themselves so we can talk on our cell phones, eat, do our makeup, and whatever else pleases our monkey fancy and that is about as alternative as i see future transportation getting. We will have cars until we suck the earth dry.
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