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hating Bush October 26, 2005 9:13 PM

does hating Bush negate my hate as negative because 2 wrongs make a right?  mathematically, I should hate Bush if I have any self-respect.  I think morally as well.

How can I not hate someone who gets 2000 of his soldiers killed in an illegal war and kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process?

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 October 26, 2005 10:07 PM

..he deserve many of this

Is for his selfish way to think...i think that

 and his selfish government....

We just want the peace

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 October 27, 2005 5:54 AM

no hating an individual is perfectly acceptable if you hate is acceptable. you have to have a valid reason. Like I doubt there is anyone here who doesn't hate Hitler. But this group is against the rascism, fundementalism, fascism, all of the hateful ideoligies.  [ send green star]
 
 October 28, 2005 9:54 AM

Bush should be in jail like any other murderer. I would not put him to death however. I would put him in one of his prisons like Gitmo however. Or let him sit on death row like in Texas and leave him there wondering until the day he died.  Since that is how he belives people should be treated, why not let him endure his own type of torture for a life time. Death would be too nice for him however. That would be showing kindness for his murderous deeds. I don't hate, I  even the score. Hate consumes ones soul. Evening the score however feels pretty darn good.  [ send green star]
 
anonymous  October 28, 2005 9:57 AM

I don't hate anyone. I may hate the things they do, but not the person.

Someone once said to me that hatred is like acid. It does more damage to the vessle in which it's stored than to that on which it's poured.

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Destiny October 28, 2005 9:59 AM

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 October 28, 2005 10:01 AM

Evening the score may feel good, but, if you feel you are better than the other party, why give the other party the satisfaction of sinking to their level....  [ send green star]
 
 October 28, 2005 10:01 AM

Do I hate the person or do I hate the person's behavior? I think there is a difference and learning that gives me a different perspective about it.

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 October 28, 2005 10:03 AM

Sorry Destiny, we sort of say the same thing and I guess I had been putting my post together while yours appeared.

Peace

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 October 28, 2005 10:56 AM

  • the emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action
  • dislike intensely; feel antipathy or a version towards; for example: i hate the people abuse of their power with other people
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    Christi October 28, 2005 11:05 AM

    Evening the score means bringing people to justice. Not making you lower yourself to their standards. You have made an ssumption of me that does not exsite in my mind. Bringing the Truth to the surface is Evening the score so all know what is really happening. You obviously don't know me or how I think. Never Assume. You may find that when you assume you could be very wrong. I understand what Hate does more then you ever could imagine.  [ send green star]
     
     October 28, 2005 11:06 AM

    Assumption that is. typo.  [ send green star]
     
    Elsie October 28, 2005 11:10 AM

    No need to jump my case sweetie....it was just a question.

    Oh, and the accusation of assumption...how would you know if I had unless you had jumped to a conclusion about me. It goes both ways in that

    I do not feel that this is the thread to address that, however

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    hitler October 28, 2005 11:35 AM

    So according to the philosophy of not hating the person, I am to assume that believers of this theory never hated Hitler, just his acts.  Perhaps we sympathised with the young artist before he became a tyrrant and even when he was one because he took the wrong road.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
    anonymous revenge and hate... October 28, 2005 11:38 AM

    First off...I agree with Destiny regarding hate being toxic to the hater and not the hated...if I hated Bush (who by the way is now in my friend circle on care2)  then I would feel it...he wouldn't even know or care so what is the point to holding on to such negative emotions...and as much as people might hate me for saying this - I don't "hate" Hitler...he is dead - what would be the point...

    now revenge and hate to me are two different things...and do not underestimate the theraputic power of revenge...although I am not advocating it and not prone to it (anymore)...really a quick jab back is sometimes all some people need to not stew over an issue and wallow in hate...

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    Ted October 28, 2005 11:55 AM

    Hitler fell victim to his own hate.....we should all learn a leason from that and not follow the same path!

    As for hate itself....

    Hate can be a very healthy emotion that can inspire one to take action- ie. going to the law about a serious wrong commited. The problem is harnessing that emotion and using it constructively and not allowing that emotion to consume the individual.

    In my own life I have seen the poisoned fruits of hate that was allowed to ferment and stagnate. I was anger and hate that lead me to realize that I did not have to end up in an abusive situation simply because I was brought up in one....and to get out of the one I was in. The irony is that I now feel sorry for the individuals in question. That does not mean that I like them or condone what they did to me! I can see karma at work in their lives and I am satisfied with that....

    my way is not for everyone and I hope no one thinks that I am saying that it is! 

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    To clarify October 28, 2005 12:04 PM

    For those that may think I feel sorry for Hitler....

    I do not feel sorry for Hitler- he commited truely horrific acts against many people. However, I do not feel that we should continue to hold him up as a monstrous demi-god- that eternally gives him the power he wanted all along and because of his acts does not deserve. He was human and had the same capacity for good and evil that we all have....he is a good example of what happens when we as humans choose to insanely all of the truly negative and evil things that we humans are capable of.

      

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    ergo October 28, 2005 12:09 PM

    both Sage and Christi would not hate Hitler if we were in the middle of the second world war right now.

    Well, we are in the middle of the third, whether it is official or not.

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    Ted October 28, 2005 12:15 PM

    I did not say that and I regret the fact that you draw assumptions without asking questions of me first...considering you don't know me from a hill of beans

    Is this just going to turn into a thread or group that picks on people because their oppinions don't mesh with what's popular? I was under the impression that the goal here was to get rid of hate, not to promote and foster it...

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    I knew it would be taken the wrong way October 28, 2005 12:53 PM

    Christi, I apologise.  You know I think the world of you.  I thought I had come to a logical assumption.

    I will ask you then: would you hate Hitler if he were alive today and was leading the nazi war?

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    Ted October 28, 2005 1:17 PM

    If I were alive during the second war, I most certainly would have hated him. However, I would not allow myself to be like him by stewing over what I hate and why. I would instead find a way to channel that emotion into action, which is usually more positive and healthy than allowing that emotion to fester. 

    Have a read....towards the bottom of the second page are a couple of interesting questions and answers

    http://beliefnet.com/story/120/story_12015_1.html

    If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask!
    Christi

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     October 28, 2005 1:19 PM

    I saw the movie, which is where I based some of my information.

    Ok, then.  we are in agreement.  I have the right to hate BUsh.  I hate Bush.

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    Ted October 28, 2005 1:26 PM

    To each his own I guess-  but is there action coming from your hate of Bush? You don't have to answer that here unless you just really want to....just keep it in your mind. I don't want to see you or anyone else dragged down by something so petty as a stagnated emotion....

     

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    anonymous  October 28, 2005 1:32 PM

    Ted, I've worked psych and met some sick people who had committed sick acts. I hated what they'd done, but understood what had driven them.

    There are some instances in which I could be persuaded to change my mind, but none could change my nature.

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     October 28, 2005 1:36 PM

    Hittler..has an ugly infance..he was victim of the bad treat of his parents...anyhow..he was a crazy man..who just made bad things and has a hard.selfish and stupid head.He killed many innocent people ..just cuz he wanted?huh!! cuz he was so  crazy!

    Yeah..maybe smart..yes...smart for some things..but for the most he was very  envy person..with many complejes...

    I think he deserve the hate  yes!

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    right Christi, Destiny October 28, 2005 1:37 PM

    I have focused my energies on doing things that go against Bush's grain, and hating him has helped me remain focused.

    I am just wondering why you would've hated Hitler and are telling me not to hate Bush?  Is it a matter of degree?

    Please don't answer that if you don't want Christi.  I can be a pain sometimes.

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     October 28, 2005 1:44 PM

    im so sorry...i said above: who "just made bad things...i think the "just" i should take out!

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     October 28, 2005 2:34 PM

    hating him just makes me get up & go to concure him! I don't just Hate I get up & do something about it.

    We don't need guns, War or Violence We just need a lot of fingers to take it away from him Bush & Co. Before he destroys it all.

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    anonymous  October 28, 2005 2:38 PM

    Ted, you're right. You're a pain sometimes. It's ok, though. I'm sitting on a pillow.  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
     
    Christi October 28, 2005 3:50 PM

    Evening the score may feel good, but, if you feel you are better than the other party, why give the other party the satisfaction of sinking to their level....  

    That is your assumption I addressed. I didn't jump I responded. Big difference.

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     October 28, 2005 3:56 PM

    Gee I acutally know or knew some people Hitler had in the Camps.

    Some of them have even warned me about Bush and see the same things happeing as Hitler was did. They predicted everything Bush has done to date. Walks like a Duck, talks like a Duck. It's a Duck.

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    anonymous Very relevant October 30, 2005 2:20 AM

    This is a very interesting and relevant subject – thanks for the post.

     

    I agree with the idea that no one is evil, although his or her actions might be. I truly believe us all to do the best we can. That there are positive intentions behind all of our actions/behaviours. This doesn’t make ‘bad’ actions right but it helps me to feel love and understanding for everyone…

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    anonymous  October 30, 2005 6:07 AM

    Hate and anger are two different things. Anger does not make a person ugly and rotten either, as is implied. There is a balance though of nonviolence, anger and respect for peoples innate humanity. Anger if practiced non-violenty is a healing force for injustices and should then be held onto with a passion. Anger is like pain, it's an internal warning that something is wrong. Anger in and of itself is not inapropriate or ugly and it does not erode a person - it guides them to stand up for what is right and creat equality.

    Generaly speaking many people have been taught not to rock the boat, and have been taught through propaganda that we are ugly and toxic if we demand respect for ourselves or other's being treated unjustly. Who would want to instill that kind of propaganda into us? People THAT HAVE an invested interest in maintaining some form of opression - AND their ENABLER's. Mothers teach their children, especially female children not to upset their fathers etc. So pro-submission propaganda get's created and instilled in us, stiffeling revolutionary actions that call for change and progress. Pro-submissiom myths need to be questioned for what they are, what there real purpose is and how they come into being. Having "social skills" of respect and honor is one thing, and very important, but injustice needs to have a lot more attention placed on it than many are willing to apply.

    I doubt Ted hates Bush or Hitlers innate humanity, but rather hates what they do and have done to this world and has developed a high respect for justice and the revoltionary spirit to fight against it. Nothing ugly in that, his "hate" is a precious comodity.
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    anonymous wow do I wish i could get on here more often... October 30, 2005 12:25 PM

    I agree that hate and anger are different...and someone said earlier (sorry I don't remember who): Hate can be a very healthy emotion that can inspire one to take action  I don't think it is hate that spurs one to action - I think it is anger that does so...

    As for the Bush/Hitler comparison i think that is most valid and I agree with it...in fact I freaked a lot of people out when i made that comparison early on in his first term...Am I angry at him - yes...Do I hate him and would I have hated Hitler if it were WWII - I can't say for sure on the latter...I can say that I strive not to hate since again that is all about me and does nothing to him...

    my anger, on the otherhand, spurs me to action...

    I've been reading a book on the Green River Killer - if you want to see what hate can do to a person if they choose to live in it all the time I suggest looking at some of these serial killers...or at mass murderers like Bush and Hitler - look where there hate has gotten the world...

    I am not suggesting that any of you give up your hate cause you may need it...I am suggesting considering what it would be like if you did...really do you think you would be giving them more or less power if you did that?

    (I will, however, suggest you hold on to your anger and let it spur you into action)

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    bunker October 30, 2005 2:28 PM

    Is there a bunker waiting for Bush?

    I hope this gets flagged

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     October 30, 2005 8:56 PM

    How can one work without the other, I mean love without hate? To me I compare it to a battery that has to have both ends connected in order for it to function.

    When you bring up Bush, Hitler and other people that are and were hated, aren't they usually hated from opinions we form in our individual minds. I remember taking in a homeless woman a couple years ago and she started talking non-stop about what others did to her. Finally she says to me, "You ain't even listening to me," as she displayed how upset she was at me for that. I didn't have a problem letting her know that she bored me and if those she talked about where here to tell their side of the story, then I'd listen. I feel the same way about Bush and Hitler. Others can hate them but I've learned a long time ago the damage is already done. I can only learn from it and clean up their messes. I doubt our society will be smart enough to learn from any of what is going on so what the hell, I've got a life to life. Let those who enjoy wasting their life with hating that care of the hating part of life.

    Peace 

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    anonymous  October 30, 2005 11:49 PM

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    anonymous apathy rules... October 31, 2005 12:54 PM

    Ken G - when you suggest love annot work without hate (or was it the other way around) does that mean that people who hate bush really love him?

    Do you think Ted K my actually have a crush on him? hmmm....and how does adram feel about this....

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     October 31, 2005 2:38 PM

    I thouroughly hate bush and I would punch him in the head if I had the chance...not that it would do much good.

    I hate hitler too, and he's dead.

    Hating them, for me serves as a reminder to never forget what they have done.
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     October 31, 2005 5:19 PM

    there are two kinds of hate (generally) irrational hatred of a race, creed, sex, etc, etc. and there is extreame animosity between individuals. bush know that some of us hate him and he hates us back. you can hate an individual. its when you hate a people, creed, sex, ect, ect is when the most adverse effects of hatred start to manipulate the human phyche.

    And Hitler was not a victim of his own hatred he was a destroyed human (mentally and morally) Hitler was not a man. not at the point we came to know and hate him. at that point he was no more human than a rabid animal.
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     October 31, 2005 5:28 PM

    I personally do not hate Bush.  What good does it do?  I think he is an arrogant bastard who has been handed everything in life.  He is however, completely incompetent.  This leads me to believe that there are other more atrociously evil people controlling him.  Particularily his right-wing christian base.  No offence to anybody, but I'm really starting to develop a hatred of christian fundamentalists.  They say these Islamic terrorists are so bad, but the Christians are the ones perpetuating hate crimes.  That and Israel.  Now, nobody better flag me for being anti-semetic, because I am not by any means.  Israel has been a major antagonistic force inciting violence and hatred.  Ariel "the butcher" Sharon, has been killing Palestinians for years.  Israels clandestine agency, the Moussad, is the next largest sponsor of terrorism in the world next to our very own CIA.  I laugh when people say "the war on terror".  More like the war on non-state sponsored terrorism.  Oh, not to mention that Israel has more weapons of mass destruction then the whole rest of the third world.  I don't like it.  I start getting nervous when fundamentalist religeous groups have nuclear weapons.  Call me crazy, but something isn't right here.  Maybe I'm biased due to my agnosticism, but is it not considered crazy talk to say that GOD condones mass murder?  Or especially that he condones our invading other countries?  That totally reeks of megalomania. 

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    Sage October 31, 2005 7:54 PM

    When I wrote that love and hate go together and that they work together I comparte it to a battery, which has a postive and negative pole. they're opposites but do absolutely no good unless they are connected. The current flows fom one pole to another just as love flows to hate or hate flows to love.

       I really don't care to get into Bush, Hitler or whatever Ted's reasoning is about anything. That is something to address Ted about. This group seems to going in a direction I'm really not into as I thought it was 'Death to Hate. From what I'm reading it seems more like the "Birth of Hate."

    I hope this is a clear enough answer for you .

    Good luck to all,

    Peace 

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    when you vote 4 Bush, you get Dick November 01, 2005 12:07 AM

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    anonymous Ken G November 01, 2005 7:16 PM

    I was actually kidding about Ted having a crush on Bush...

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    anonymous odd reminder... November 01, 2005 7:19 PM

    "Hating them, for me serves as a reminder to never forget what they have done."

    I can never forget what they have done...and I don't have to hate them to do that...it takes a whole lot less time and energy for me not to hate them...I lose nothing and gain quite a bit by not hating them...

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    Hitler & Bush... November 02, 2005 1:40 PM

    ... were both elected to control their respective governments.  Do we hate those who were taken in by their promises, those who turned a blind eye to the growing abuses of power around them?  Do we hate those who said it's OK to go after a given type of person, as long as my group is treated alright?

       On a personnal note; I did lose family in WWII Germany and that is, at least in part, why I feel it is so important to stand up against what the current US gov is doing.  I will continue to witness, document, and protest what I see.  At least until they carry me away...

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     November 02, 2005 2:00 PM

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    Touchy subject November 02, 2005 2:51 PM

    Considering we are supposed to be against hatred this is a good one to bash it out in.  I have very often thought that people who sustain that they have never hated anyone in their lives, are in denial.  For me, hate is any deep dislike and even revulsion felt towards another human being - and sincerely I don't know any people who could HONESTLY say they have never felt that kind of feeling - we normally leave that to the saints and admire it in those special people who can live beyond this emotion - and here, of course, I think of heroes like Gandhi and Nelson Mandela - although I saw a wonderful documentary on Madiba (Mandela) and he can be pretty acid with people at times - especially if they keep him waiting! (great).

    As I once posted on AI, emotion is a subjective feeling and we cannot remove it with reason - we can control it of course , but that is different. On an objective level, i.e. not emotional, I can reasonably say that I agree that hate is a negative emotion - but is that in itself negative?  Maybe not - I don't know. I certainly don't feel guilty for the hate, total revulsion or whatever it is I feel towards people like Hitler, Pol Pot, Deng Zhioa Ping, Stalin etc.etc. But I also know that I will not allow myself to become like them - i.e. to hate somebody for WHAT THEY ARE AND NOT FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I think there is a difference when you feel total dislike for someone because of something they have done but I also think it is totally unacceptable to hate anybody because they are different from you by race, sexual orientation, religion etc. By another name we could call this tolerance and intolerance - I might not like you but will accept your being different and will certainly not try to physically harm you - quite another side of human nature is that which will not accept this difference and must try to physically wipe it out.  For me this is valid today as it was yesterday and tomorrow - who knows?

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    anonymous why are you yelling at us November 02, 2005 6:52 PM

    I don't know of anyone who is claiming that they have never nor will ever feel hatred...I disagree that one cannot change that feeling...

    and I do not think feeling something negative is necessarily  negative if it is done fleetingly or briefly...I think it is important to feel those things and to learn from them why they have arisen in the first place (And usually it tells you more about yourself then the person you hate if you truly are open to learning the meaning of the feeling)...however holding onto and dwelling in negative emotions is toxic...and only damages oneself not the person hated...

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     November 03, 2005 8:27 AM

    And the Top 10 Bush lies....i could say here people didnt post all lies of him....

    http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=165

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    Sage November 04, 2005 5:39 AM

    Was that meant for me? I wasn't yelling at anybody - I was rambling on about some thoughts on the subject and if you read it carefully you will see that there is absolutely no yelling and nothing negative - BTW - if the fact that I write in verdana 3 makes it look like I'm screaming - I actually have a hard time trying to read some of the posts - more so when I am very tired.

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    anonymous  November 04, 2005 7:13 AM

    Jessie, I don't put myself in the same league as Gandhi or Mandela, but I have never hated anyone. I've felt disgust, rage, all sorts of feelings, but never one that I would term hatred.  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
     
    anonymous  November 04, 2005 7:17 AM

    Sage, I have to agree. I can't say I never will feel hatred towards anyone. If anyone harmed my children I don't believe I could hold back those feelings. I'd most likely want to kill.  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
     
    HI DESTINY November 04, 2005 12:27 PM

    I know what you mean - about the children. In fact in the post on Ai which I referred to, we were talking about justice and I maintained that justice cannot always be equated with what we would call 'right' i.e. justice is OBJECTIVE and often what we would think to be someone's 'just desserts' is SUBJECTIVE. so, yes, I'm sure that if someone harmed one of my children i would want to see him/her dead - but that is not justice - that is revenge. I think revulsion/disgust are good sinonyms for hatred, don't you?  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
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     October 28, 2005 9:57 AM

    I don't hate anyone. I may hate the things they do, but not the person.

    Someone once said to me that hatred is like acid. It does more damage to the vessle in which it's stored than to that on which it's poured.


    I you, Destiny ...

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    GOING ROUND AND ROUND November 05, 2005 12:47 PM

    It seems like we are really going round in circles and saying THE SAME THINGS - if you really read my post all, you would see that I had said that nobody can be judged/disliked/'hated' for who they are but some people for WHAT THEY DO - that seems to me to be exactly what Destiny said in her last post, so there isn't even an argument here. BTW maybe I have the wong idea about hate - I don't go beyond 'dislike' so I assume that intense dislike= hate.

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    I dont' hate November 05, 2005 1:31 PM

    I just dislike.. as most of us here seem to do.

    Destiny...

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     November 05, 2005 1:34 PM

    i disdain all fascists but i hate bush  [ send green star]
     
     November 05, 2005 1:51 PM

    I hate the bast*rd.  He is the evil that runs our lives.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
     November 05, 2005 1:56 PM

    Totally

    "I don't care if i fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting. [Dying words]"--Ernesto "Che" Guevara

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    oh this topic November 05, 2005 5:28 PM

    I hate U.S Goverment since i was born.

    I dont hate Northamerican people, even when they think they're right on their way of living.

    I hate Bush war's so much cuz he fooled your own people and the entire world with that ilegal invation.

    I hate war. I hate religion cuz it make us fight each other, but i don't hate god.

    U.S...has been messing up with everyone since Hiroshima. U.S troops, young boys living a hell on earth just beacuse GREED and POWER and CONTROL. Mexico...Texan Farmers hunting us down...we build your homes and your buildings cuz we need the money so much and our goverment sucks as well...

    Hate can get you down and blue too

    But is much much easier than loving.

    Love 2 all, really

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    Can you hate hate? November 06, 2005 6:16 AM


    Seems to me like:
    "We must save every penny, no matter what the cost!"

    A walk on the razor's blade, isn't it?

    I don't hate Bush.
    I hate the fact he is prez.
    I hate to see the decisions he makes and stand there helpless.
    But I would also hate to see anyone taking that as reason for violent counter-measures.
    There is a line between disagreement and even strict opposition towards something or someone and hate.

    Just my 2 cents.

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     November 06, 2005 7:34 AM

    Andreas has received 144 new, 400 total stars from Care2 membersAndreas has been awarded 97 butterflies for taking action at Care2 Andreas G. well put. If one is having a Revoluation against Hatred then one can not hate. God does not hate and hitler went to heaven. People are reponsible for creating an enviroment/reality that he could have flourished in and choose to follow him.

    Which begs the question again, concentrate on love, not hate?  Get pretty angry thou!

    Sunshine

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     November 06, 2005 7:36 AM

    ditto on Bush and any other tyrants out there  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
     November 06, 2005 3:43 PM

    hi there everyone. i'm new to this whole disscussion thing. but i have a few opinions...some which most of you may not like.

    i don't like to make opinions unless i can back them up with evidence...

    which some people don't do. they make a statement, and when asked to elaborate, have nothing in response....

    i don't believe in hating....

    because hating is what divides us...

    i'm not saying that i have never hated...becuz i have...but that makes me no bigger than the thing i hated.

    bush to me...well..i can't really complain...

    no, i don't like the fact that we are over there fighting...but...

    every so often at school i see a military recruiter...and sometimes i talk with them...

    when i ask them about  the war...and stuff...

    they always ,9/10, say that they support it....not saying that they agree with it it..but they swore to serve and protect...and so if their president asks for their service then they do so...

    i say... why hate bush...it brings nothing but more hate. i don't know too much about politics or anything like that...so i'm not going to try to justify anything that our government has done...

    but i ask...to everyone...if hate is what divides...what can love do?

    it's kinda rhetorical..but true...

    i support everything that our government decides to do...

    we are supposed to be the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..

    hate does just the opposite...

    just my own thoughts...that's all.

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     November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

    Wow, this thread has gotten really disturbing and waaaay off the original topic.

    It has turned into bashing rather than constructive conversation.

    Isn't this the very type of thing we are supposed to be against?

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    Seems to me ... November 06, 2005 3:51 PM

    that hate is counterproductive if you're against hate, no matter who it's directed at. 

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     November 06, 2005 7:26 PM

    I don't understand quiet well what's the point in this topic, but here i go...

    Hate is a natural feeling on human behaviour i guess...nothing tells me the opposite. Saying that you don't hate, it's like saying that you don't love either. We might don't like the things that U.S goverment did and still doing. We might not like the one who is taking us all to hell. "We might don't like" It's for me, just a polite way of saying that you don't love that one person who bombs your country. and if you don't love, then you hate.  I am honest with myself saying that if Mexico was called "Mejiquistan" we would be hating Bush as well or more.

    It should be another hisyory, but Bush is hated. And hate exist just beacause love exists in our hearths too...

    Loving your enemy is hard. I heard once a tale that says that one man did it, a long time ago. But he was special.

    Can any of us Love your enemy? a deadly one?

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    well November 06, 2005 7:30 PM

    hate is always hate, doesnt matter who is hated...Bush  is just another terrorist, and like that I believe is going to find what he is looking for, like our maximum books says "Quien a hierro mata a hierro muere", the meaning is more or less: " If you live killing, you will die killed" because "hierro" is not meaning iron exactly, is meaning weapons, in fact, knives, daggers.

    My message: dont hate, is just a waste of energy

    Gab

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    Choosing not to hate is for noone but YOU! November 06, 2005 7:41 PM

    Bush is not worth your hate!

    Haboring hate and anger causes stress and health problems not to mention blocks the serenity of your spirit.  Forgiveness is a good idea for some people, and if youre not there yet thats ok too, the one a person needs to forgive is yourself.  Namaste-Tree

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    I agree November 06, 2005 7:46 PM

    Sounds real cool to my that idea of forgivness...but how can you do it? When you bleed and bleed and the one that makes you bleed keep on doing it?  How many times can we forgive the same atrocity?

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     November 06, 2005 10:21 PM

    Hey Gab...nice to see you here!!!

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     November 06, 2005 10:55 PM

    I don't hate people, or Bush.  On occasion I may develop an immense dislike of a person, but then I come to the conclusion that someone so terrible, must really, really, be a miserable person.  I mean, I think about what they do, and tell myself they must have a miserable existence to not have the consciousness to see the wrong in their acts.  I allow myself to see their weaknesses, and see their strengths, it is only in doing this that I can allow myself to forgive them for what they have done wrong.

    I also do not judge another persons ability to hate.  I think for some people, experiencing hate as an emotion is a necessary step for them to take to move on and heal.  Dwelling in hate for a long time, though, can cause long term damage and dissatisfaction. Think about it, if a person goes on everyday hating another person who lives their life unaware, how unfair is that for the hater.  Allowing hatred to remain can consume a life completely, I have seen what it can do to a person. It is not healthy.

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     November 07, 2005 12:35 AM

    I've heard it said that the worst thing you can do to a person is to make them hate you.  Think about it ... all that negative emotion swimming around in your body can't be doing you much good.  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
     November 07, 2005 11:30 AM

    " hate is a waste of energy"

    I'll try to remember it

    ty.

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    Luann November 07, 2005 11:40 AM

    Absolutely!
    To me, hate is like cancer.....I feel it's something that, if not dealt with in a constructive way early on, can eat away at the heart and soul until there is nothing left but the hate. I've seen some rather miserable people that claim they hate or dislike just about everything! That can't be a good existance.....

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    anonymous Hate and Love... November 07, 2005 11:50 AM

    The idea that hate and love is connected is just a matter of opinion that people seem to like stating as fact...I disagree nor do I think one has to feel one to feel the other...

    The only opposite of an intense emotion is apathy...and one cannot simultaneously hold an intense emotion for an individual and be apathetic towards them...they might alternate; they just can't happen at the same time...

    And why is there so much hate on a board called the Revolution Against Hatred?

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     November 07, 2005 12:09 PM

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    Reign November 07, 2005 12:15 PM

    Yes, hate exists. But the point of this board is not to sit around discussing what or who we hate and why...it woudln't include the words 'against hatred' if that were the point! 

    The point is for people to come together and educate ourselves about hate- what it is, groups that teach hate, etc- and find ways to deal with it in our lives, communities, and even the 'world'.

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     November 07, 2005 12:21 PM

    Yes of course.

    1.I am not the one who created the topic

    2.I am sorry. i tought i was free to speak my mind. And i thought that knowing the roots of the hate, we could rip it out.

    3.Deny hate doesn't make it dissapear anyway you know?

    4.I found what i was looking for...thank you.

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     November 07, 2005 1:52 PM

    Reign..of course you can express yourself here my friend..i got it your message..and i understand you my friend.

    Hugs for you my friend..pls check your message too..

    Peace

    Paola

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    I understand Reign November 07, 2005 5:45 PM

    Is like in the end, sometimes we can express our thoughts, so, what is all this about then? we have to cross info, and learn, and list, and understand, and stand in the shoes of that one in front of us, pls. The hate is there, ignorance and apathy are not going to end with it.

    Gab

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     November 08, 2005 12:48 AM

    hmmm....I feel it is a good thing to dissect hate..if we are to lead a revolution against hate.

    how can we combat hate if we ignore it completely and are not open to seeing where it is developing and occuring?

    jmho

    don't feel bad Reign, you are right to bring it out in the open.

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     November 08, 2005 5:20 AM

    I've avoiding jumping in on this topic because I have to say that I do hate GWB. I can't help it, no matter how hard I try I continue to hate him and everything he appears to stand for; corruption, lies, greed, ignorance, bullying, and intolerance.

    Is it wrong for me to hate? Yes, I have to say it is. But as a human being I am sometimes wrong. Hate is a destructive force, but it is a very human emotion. I believe it was a sad day for the USA when he was appointed president, and I think his actions since that time have validated my hatred for him.

    I think the larger issue is what do I do with my hate. Have there been positive or negative results? I was always very interested in politics and have been an activist since my youth. But I have become more active since he was named president. So, with that in mind, I think my hatred has spurred me on to more productive actions. I've sent more letters and made more phone calls to my congressional representatives than ever before. I actively campaigned against him last year and made donations to those who opposed him. I've been on street corners participating in demonstrations. I do what I am able to do.

    I really believe that to deny hate is to deny human emotion. We all have the potential for enormous hatred. The bigger question is what do we do with it.
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     November 08, 2005 5:41 AM

    Underneath my hatred for GWB and everything he stands for lies an enormous frustration- WHY can't he just see? Why can't he understand? A lot of lives have been lost because of his values and his choices. The environment and the global situation is going down the tubes because of his values and his choices...his lies and his deceptions and his militant denial... I hate what he and his cronies have done to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights... what they've done to women and children... and poor people...  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
     November 08, 2005 6:07 AM

    well I just typed out a long reply to many of the above and lost it, will try again later.

    sun

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     November 08, 2005 6:14 AM

    while I said what I said (and meant every word of it) I feel like adding that the energy of hatred isn't much of a solution if it is just left that way.. I've heard it said that hating someone is like giving them rent-free space in one's head.. also I've heard "hatred does not cease with hatred- hatred ceases with love"... so I would prefer to channel my frustration/hatred into positive social action..and non-violent resistance in every way possible..  [ send green star]  [ accepted]
     
    Hmm November 08, 2005 10:52 AM

    I'm afraid this may be a bit of a but so be it. 

    I don't hate Bush, I hate Bush-type behaviours.  To hate the man himself would be to let a whole LOT of other people off the hook--such as Cheney, Rove, DeLay, Rumsfeld, etc.  I deplore the things they do, their policies, their hypocrisies, their lies, their behaviors.  I deplore the fact we here in the US have allowed this to happen.  Let's face it:  there are a whole lot of people in the world like Bush and his cronies, and I can't focus all my time and energy hating them.  We have to accept these behaviours are wrong, then set out to remedy them. 

    Hatred of people, after all, is what ended up killing so many millions of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, political dissenters, and so many other groups in Nazi-occupied Europe. 

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    Cheryl.. November 08, 2005 12:22 PM

    "I don't hate Bush, I hate Bush-type behaviours¨"

    yeah..very wise!!

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     November 08, 2005 12:31 PM

    it is not an act of hatred when you despise a person, due to their actions, to the level of hate. it is when you hate because they're republican or you hate them because they're democrat or because they're black or white. It is not an act of hatred to despise a single man due to his actions. but it would most likely be best if you could refrain from that. Never begin to hate someone because if you do you can never let go. how many former KKK members do you believe aren't racist anymore? they are its just not acceptable to be a member of the kkk anymore.  [ send green star]
     
    Why hate? November 08, 2005 1:11 PM

    In my humble opinion those who do bad and ugly things are just poor persons, somehow ridden by demons, slaves, unfree to live a real life of their own, producing death rather than life, they are dieing creatures for what they will reap is the same death they spread. You may feel sorry for them because of their weekness but to hate them would be giving them too much honor!

    And those powers who conciously build up their reign on that framework of sin? They are also loosers in the final so I got no feelings to be invested on them too!!

    Sorry but hate is not my tool!

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    Cheryl November 08, 2005 1:28 PM

    We have to accept these behaviours are wrong, then set out to remedy them.

    Perfectly said!

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     November 08, 2005 1:30 PM

    yes!! as you said Andreas..perfectly said!  [ send green star]
     
    anonymous hmmmm.... November 15, 2005 7:55 PM

    "how many former KKK members do you believe aren't racist anymore? they are its just not acceptable to be a member of the kkk anymore."  

    unfortunately that really depends on where you live...

    so what I don't understand is why people here believe their hate is any different then the hate of the people they are hating...if you choose to hate a racist - how are you any different from them?  and why do people choose to blame their choices (choosing to hate someone) on the other person ("so-and-so's behaviour caused me to hate them")?  how about if we all just took responsibility for our choices if nothing else?  and if your choice is to add more hate into this world that isn't bush or hitler's fault...

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    anonymous  November 20, 2005 7:40 AM

    I think what everyone trying to say here is that they love our Country But don't trust our government.Well folks if thats the case Then why do we keep putting them back in office.As Ben Franklin said every 200 years we need to get rid of the dead wood.Yes I agree there alot that needs don't in what and how our governmment is run.1st to help the homeless start by using our military bases that are close and open them for training the homesless, like the CCC. They could clean and fix up all of our National Parks,Plant trees,Help folks who could use the help.Plus help lower crime.Hire people who are out of work to guard our Borders.And look at our education that needs lots of help How many kids graduate from High School that can't read pass the 8th grade level .Health care needs help. I say if everyone one of us would think of ways of making our Country a better place to live, Instead of thinking of ways of hating each other. And when you go to pull that level next time you go and vote Make sure you know that person running for office.I feel we need more Ranchers and Farmers in office people who are more down to earth.  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
     
    Bush vs. Hitler November 28, 2005 7:10 PM

    I don't think we can fairly compare Bush and Hitler. Sure, Bush is bad, and I hope he's impeached, but his misdeeds don't approach those of Hitler's. Any suggestion that they do demeans the victims of the Holocaust.

    Don't spread hate, no matter how much you dislike G:W: Bush or anyone else.

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     November 28, 2005 7:31 PM

    I really do think that most of us are saying the same thing in
    essence. It appears to be coming down to semantics. Each of us
    has our own definition of hate, dislike, love, etc. We are
    approaching the topic from our own perspective and our own
    experiences.

    Most importantly, aren't we all here because we want the HATE
    to stop? I capitalize it in an attempt to indicate a global
    thing. There is global hatred out there. And it is damn scary!
    (I apologize for the language)

    I may say, "I hate reality TV." I really mean it holds no interest
    for me, I think it is a waste of my time. I say "I hate Bu$h."
    And as was said before, what I am really saying is that I cannot
    stand/abide/approve of what his administration has done and is
    doing in practically every aspect of life.

    We all use words with our own meaning, keeping the basics of the
    meaning, but also having our own emphasis based on our experiences.

    Hate, or dislike can be a strong motivating factor to induce
    change or take action. I have disapproved of the USA action in
    Iraq since before we "went there/invaded," so I've protested,
    stood in vigils, written letters, voiced my opinion, and so on.
    I use my "hate/dislike" for something to motivate me to make
    changes.

    Aren't we all after basically the same thing? Why are we bickering over words?

     (ok, I'll get down off my now)
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    anonymous  November 29, 2005 8:58 AM

    I don't hate Bush. I despise what he has done to my country and my fellow Americans. I despise how he has left hundreds of thousands to suffer and die in places like Uganda, Darfur, and Nigeria.

    I just saw this today and it really summed it up for me (image below) it does have some swear words in it and I'm sorry about that but it's the way the image came to me.

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    anonymous  November 29, 2005 8:59 AM

    (Image came from Patt H. on the "Down with Dubya" group)  [report anonymous abuse]  [ accepted]
     
     November 29, 2005 10:29 AM

    I would be loath to compare Bush to the Fuhrer, at least at this present time.  I am not saying Bush is a good person or anything, either, for repudiating the content of that sign.  Hitler is the epitome of all that we fight here, he was a master of hate, and had those he hated murdered because of who and what they were.  Bush seems more inclined for self-serving reasons, not for racist ones.   [ send green star]
     
    My observations in NYC December 07, 2005 2:56 PM

    Michael N.  said
    "I don't think we can fairly compare Bush and Hitler. Sure, Bush is bad, and I hope he's impeached, but his misdeeds don't approach those of Hitler's. Any suggestion that they do demeans the victims of the Holocaust."

       In recent times I am less sure of that (and I personnally lost family in the Holocaust) than I once was.

      Secret CIA torture camps spread around the world, to avoid international law and due process.  http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=40&pst=210100&archival=

      Leaving the poor to die in New Orleans while Bush finished his vacation, then not allowing them to return to their homes (only the middle class and rich allowed to go back)   http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=780&pst=216473   The funds that were set up to help that city only given to a small fraction of those displaced.  And for the poor who were given initial help told the extra monies are gone so no permanate housing, jobs or anything else that was promised.  They just waited for it to fall off the public radar then cut them off.  http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=780&pst=210914&archival=  

      The testing of toxic chemials on children who have noone to defend them.  http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=40&pst=209170&archival=

      I'm sorry but this list can go on forever, and I won't do that to this group.  Even the guards/cops armed with automatic weapons, in full riot gear that I see on my commute to work everyday remind me of my WWII reading.  And that is supposed to make people feel safe?  They are not going after people who commit crimes, they are there to oppress the people who live here.  We may not be in Hitler's germany yet, but we are well on our way to becomming just like that.  It makes me wonder when they will be knocking down my door for protesting and writting my elected representives.  When will we be made to 'disapear'?

     

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    anonymous Destiny... April 15, 2006 6:10 PM

    Destiny...You tell em.

    As a Christian, I am supposed to be Christ Like in all ways. I CAN'T hate Anyone. To do so would be hypocrisy.Jesus Loves EVERYONE. Does he love all they do, no.Niether do I. Hate the SIN, but LOVE the sinner.I do not like the Presidents policies, nor really anything about him, but I do not hate him.I pray for him.Why waste your time hating someone. In 2 more years he'll be out of office anyway. JMO,

    Charles

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     May 06, 2006 9:10 PM

    Bush is not Hittler, but they are similar...  [ send green star]
     
     May 07, 2006 12:57 PM

    Man that fvcker was in my town yesterday. Man if I hadn't had to go to work I would have totally protested.

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    ... May 07, 2006 1:13 PM

    If you were to ask me do I hate Bush, and you meant, do I hate him in relation to other people, like comp[ared to John Lennon or Martin Luther King, I would say yeah,

    but if you were to ask me, do I hate him himself, no. I dislike his deeds, but I don't really see a need for hate. It can't possible help anything.

    Anger can be an effective motivator, when not overused, but not true hatred.

    Whenever people ask me, "But don't you even hate Hitler?" I say that they have misunderstood- it is not that a person must be overly bad for me to hate them, like it would be for a person who is just really forgiving- there is no relation between the deeds and my feelings of the person.

    Sometimes I say I hate a person, but I definitely wouldn't count that as my philosophy.

    But, do I hate W's politics- HELL YEAH!

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    Hate July 23, 2007 7:00 AM

    You will never get less hate in the world until you get more tolerance. We must all tolerate one another. Not hate another person because they hold differant views, or belong to a differant religion, country or race.

    Hate ideas, hate actions but  never ever  hate people. Hatred of people is what leads us into wars as it makes as less tolerant and less able to talk to one another about our differant viewpoints and agree compromises between those with opposing views.

    Less hate, more tolerance and understanding that is the message I think we should all be sending.

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