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I WANT EVERYONE HERE ON CARE2 TO KNOW HOW THE RIGHT WING OPERATES December 09, 2007 4:45 PM

This is from another group, "Peace Think Tank". It is old; and those who slandered me are GONE from Care2! Ha ha! It was because Care2 members got together and FLAGGED them, both their postings and their profiles; whenever they raised their ugly heads and voices! {Don't think for a second that I was the only one attacked in this way!}

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Hi, co-hosts and everybody! And, a great big THANK YOU for REFUSING to believe the lies and slanderous accusations made against me by certain Republican Bush apologists on Care2, that, if even ONE of them had had any truth in it, would have dis-qualified me forever from being a co-host of this group!!!

To give just one example of several: here is a posting from one of their groups, with my comments inter-lined:

  BT. has published a letter advocating the physical and verbal confrontation and harassment of Armed Forces personnel and their familes. [NOT TRUE.]

Has while alluding that she has 'contacts' in Al Queda, [HUH?] published a letter urging American personnel in Iraq to throw down their weapons, dessert [WELL, YES] and turn themselves in to the terrorists [WHAT?] where they will be well treated.

Has published a letter calling for the harrasment and physical confrontation of military recruiters.[REPORTED THAT IT HAPPENED IN MY CITY.] She has also urged others to contact their local school boards to have recruiters barred from high school campuses.[WELL, YES.]

[SO, YOU SEE, A MIXTURE OF TOTAL FICTION, HALF-TRUTHS AND DISTORTIONS, AND THINGS I ACTUALLY DID SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE. TYPICAL OF THE REPUGS, I MUST SAY. ]

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 December 09, 2007 4:56 PM

BMutiny, don't resign! That just makes Reich-wingers think they've won!  Any one who has been even half-awake during these last seven years has to have Noticed that RepubliCONs are LIARS.. not just "define sex" Liars, that only embarrass the family.. BIG, Bad, BALD-Faced, BOMB-them-All-let-God-sort-'em-out L-I-A-R-S!!!! So be proud that you've become "the Enemy"!!!! Party On Dude!  [ send green star]
 
ALTHO THERE IS LESS OF IT, THIS IS STILL GOING ON. WATCH FOR IT AND TAKE ACTION! December 09, 2007 5:22 PM

There was just recently, a comment about Mark S., in response to a posting he made on D.U., Depleted Uranium, that LETHAL STUFF the Bushco mis-Administration is COATING WEAPONS WITH IN IRAQ, and that CAUSES BIRTH DEFECTS both on a wide scale in Iraq, and IN THE FAMILIES OF RETURNING VETERANS HERE, because of its RADIOACITIVITY. Well, the Repugs or NeoCons sure DIDN'T LIKE MARK TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT DEPLETED URANIUM; and the first thing said, was, quote,"You look like a refuge{sic} from the Summer of Love". Thereby ATTACKING BOTH MARK'S APPEARANCE, AND HIS AGE.

"Lookism" and "Ageism", we call that. Such personal remarks are EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY THE CARE2 CODE OF CONDUCT {which is at the bottom of EACH page, to click on for EASY REFERENCE}. EVERY CARE2 MEMBER, new or old, NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THE CARE2 CODE OF CONDUCT {CoC}.

[Well, we Care2 members cleaned that guy's clock for him!!!]

Please notify Group Hosts, and/or your friends network, and/or Care2 of course, if you come across PERSONAL ATTACKS, LIES, LIBELS AND SLANDERS OF ANY KIND. These are called in law and literature, ad hominem attacks. {Attacks "against the man". THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO AFFECT THE ARGUMENT. But, since people are illogical, they often DO sway people's thoughts!}

THESE TYPES OF ATTACKS, ARE NEARLY ALWAYS BY PAID AGENTS AND PLANTS; AND NOT BY "REAL" CARE2 MEMBERS.

The PURPOSE of these ad hominem attacks, lies, libels and slanders they typically indulge in, is:

to create a DISTRACTION. To START FIGHTS. To DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ONE THE BUSHIES WISH NO-ONE WOULD DISCUSS.

To INDIMIDATE PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING UP. No-one likes being attacked; and MOST PEOPLE DID NOT COME TO CARE2 EXPECTING THAT TO HAPPEN TO THEM. To INTIMIDATE NOT ONLY THE SPEAKER; but THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN UP YET; so that they WON'T enter the argument! {Or take part in ANY arguments in the future!}

Finally, it SERVES TO DRIVE GOOD PEOPLE OFF OF CARE2. Leaving the field to the PLANTS! to spread their propaganda un-checked by us!

By the way, IT IS EQUALLY AGAINST THE CARE2 CODE OF CONDUCT, SPECIFICALLY, TO ATTACK A PERSON'S MENTAL STATE {"You're crazy; you're stupid; you need to take your meds!"} This is why Care2 is BETTER AND MORE WELCOMING THAN OTHER PLACES ON THE INTERNET. Let's KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!!!

Please click on the Code of Conduct, at the bottom of every page for your reference. MEMORIZE it if you need to!

An offensive post can be FLAGGED; and the NeoCon or Plant who posted it {USUALLY SOMEONE WITH NO FILLED-IN PROFILE -- A DEAD GIVEAWAY!!! of not being a REAL Care2 member!}, can be FLAGGED AT THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THEIR PROFILE PAGE, where it says "Flag if inappropriate".

IT IS BY OUR CONSTANT VIGILANCE THAT WE KEEP THE PLANTS AND PAID NEOCON DISRUPTORS OFF OF OUR GROUPS AND NEWS ITEMS. {Yes, they ARE recruited and PAID! It is part of a mis-Government Disruption Program that was once called COINTELPRO. Still going on, whatever it is called!}

Thank you for your attention! and co-operation!

BMutiny T

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DON' NOBODY WORRY! December 09, 2007 5:26 PM

Yvonne, thanks, that was a VERY OLD POST, from another group, Peace Think Tank; circumstances just brot it to my attention again. It is about 2 years old, I think!

I ain't gonna resign!

I just thot it appropriate to post again. Especially after the Neocons made that RECENT attack on Mark. He handled it so BEAUTIFULLY!

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Mark's reply is a model of brevity! December 09, 2007 5:32 PM

Thursday December 6, 2007, 9:59 pm

The disinformation source wrote: "You look like a refuge from the Summer of Love."

Thank you. That says it all. Anyone who is a Care2 member and who cares about anything at all, can recognize personal attacks for what they are, and the people who post them for what THEY are.

You're busted, Helbig.
 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (369)
Thursday December 6, 2007, 11:38 pm
I was just about to say the same thing.
Personal attacks, ad hominem attacks, are ALWAYS resorted to when the person making those attacks has NO FACTS and NO CREDIBILITY.

We have had people making personal attacks on appearance, age, etc., before. They were PAID AGENTS OF KARL ROVE; TRAINED to "start fights" and DISTRACT, by their personal attacks which were supposed to "get you mad", from the issue at hand.

Care2 members are ON TO SUCH RIGHT-WING TYPICAL TRICKS. Those of us who are Old Hands here, tell the newbies about it; what to watch out for.

Yes, as Mark said, those who make personal attacks ARE NOT GENUINE CARE2 MEMBERS. Making personal attacks of ANY kind, is expressly against the Care2 Code of Conduct; which can be accessed at the bottom of each page. It is a reason to be BANNED FROM CARE2, if the REAL Care2 members desire it.

It is very much a TACTICAL ERROR, to make personal attacks. Others have learned that, to their sorrow.
I love drawing peoples' attention, to those people who make ad hominem attacks of any kind.
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If you want to see this exchange......... December 09, 2007 5:36 PM

 
What Are We Doing To Our Own?   video US Politics & Gov't  (tags: war, troops, military, iraq, veterans, health, americans, bushadministration, corruption, cover-up, death, dishonesty, Govtfearmongering, congress, abuse, healthcare, usa )

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Bud Deraps, an 82 year old WWII Navy veteran, speaks out against Depleted Uranium - Warning! Graphic Content
 

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FROM A THREAD OF LAST WEEK; BEARS REPEATING HERE on this thread December 09, 2007 6:00 PM

RE-FOCUSING LEFT BANK December 02, 2007 5:29 PM

This is to announce somewhat of a change of focus for Left Bank; to make the group more relevant to what is going on today; while still keeping to the spirit of its original Ideals.

The group was started, mainly in order to COUNTERACT the BLATANT PROPAGANDA that was being disseminated around Care2 by the Far Right; and the LIBELLING AND SLANDERING of all Lefties and even slightly Left-leaning Liberals! by the PAID AGENTS OF KARL ROVE who were running rampant at the time! Those of you who have joined Care2 SINCE then, can have NO IDEA how bad the situation was! I get an idea of it, when I go back and read old archived threads in groups! UN-friggin'-beLIEVable!!! It seems we spent MOST OF OUR TIME AND ENERGY combatting lies, libels, and slanders -- JUST AS THOSE AGENTS HAD PLANNED. To DIVERT us from other business!

These were NOT honest questioners or honest discussions. We had to cope with name-calling slug-fests, that, often, AS WAS ALSO THEIR PURPOSE, drove GOOD people on Care2, AWAY! and silenced and intimidated many others.

Some of you will remember those bad old days. The rest of you, are FORTUNATE.

WE ORGANIZED; AND WE WON. We, the good, the REAL, the intelligent people of Care2! WE EXPOSED THE PHONEYS FOR WHAT THEY WERE. Both in THIS group, and EVERYwhere! Now they may be doing their harm ELSEWHERE on the Internet -- but WE ON CARE2 ARE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THEM, WHENEVER THEY TRY A COMEBACK. We pretty much ALL know what sorts of things to watch out for! and the Care2 Code of Conduct {CoC} is an INFALLIBLE GUIDE! The phoneys ARE NOT ABLE TO OBSERVE IT! The CoC PROHIBITS name-calling, for one thing! {Memorize it, if you think it will do you good! It is available with one click at the bottom of every page! At least read it thru once or twice!}

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And so on....... and then the posting of mine goes on to talk about the "NEW" Focus of the group. But, I don't want the OLD purpose to be forgotten entirely!

[Can go "back to topics" to read the entire posting.]



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anonymous Thanks, Barbara. December 09, 2007 9:56 PM


There is a list of psy-ops techniques from an old CIA manual that I wish I could remember. Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org has them memorized and can spot and name them any time somebody uses them. They include personal attacks, appeals to authority, isolating people, and similar stuff.

By the way, I'm reading, "Soldiers in Revolt: GI Resistance During the Vietnam War," which I got at your suggestion, and I wanted to thank you for recommending it.

One thing to remember is that when somebody with a Ph.D. says something stupid, it is still stupid. 

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THE TECHNIQUE OF ISOLATION December 09, 2007 11:40 PM

Yes, Mark, those CIA NeoCon guys that USED to be all over Care2, made a SPECIALTY out of ISOLATING people. They had a bunch of people they would call on {or multiple identities!}, who when ONE person was singled out, they would ALL attack! Then, such is human nature, alas!, some people who were kindof "neutral" up to then, would JOIN THE LYNCH MOB.  Not knowing any better, you understand. It was an interesting study in mob psychology.

The NeoCons posed as "the center" or "the norm"; anybody dis-agreeing with them was a "looney Leftie", i.e., on the fringe. {"Looney Leftie", by the way, is a name-calling FORBIDDEN by the Care2 Code of Conduct; you are NOT ALLOWED to malign a person's mental state!}

In actuality, THE FAR RIGHT WAS IN THE DEFINITE MINORITY. But, as long as us Lefties were scattered...... So, we did the SMART thing that was long overdue: we started to organize ourselves, with the Labor slogan, "An injury to one, is an injury to ALL!" An attack on ANYONE for ANY reason, and the call would go out over network messaging...... there were several people who could be COUNTED ON to respond!

Then, a Petition was drawn up against those NeoCons and their attacks..... and the fact that it got HUNDREDS of sigs in a short time, PROVED CONCLUSIVELY that the THUGS WERE A TINY, TINY, MINORITY!

I stayed completely out of it, when the lynch mob turned on some of THEM......... not a pretty sight. [People saying they had been "betrayed" by those they thought were just "having fun".......]

The way the NeoCons operated, reminded me of an excellent movie hardly anyone has seen. It is called "Swing Kids" and takes place in pre-Nazi Germany. A group of German teen-age boys get together because they LOVE American swing music. A Nazi party member insinuates himself among them; he uses very sophisticated psychology to MANIPULATE the kids, to ISOLATE THEM FROM EACH OTHER, to turn one of them into a Nazi Hitler Youth, and cause the one Jewish kid to commit suicide. It is VERY CLEVER the way he operates! Very sneaky. And these current NeoCons DO THE SAME THING.

That is why we have to be CONSCIOUS AND ORGANIZED!!!!!

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW, THAT THESE ARE TRAINED AND PAID PROFESSIONALS; NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE WANDERED INTO CARE2 WITH "DIFFERENT OPINIONS". A Care2 member, Blue Bunting, actually found a site where the Republican National Committee RECRUITED PEOPLE for this!!!!!! for all over the Internet, not just Care2! But, shortly after being found out, the site changed and we can't find it now!!!

{Such people were also recruited during the '60's, before the Internet, to disrupt student and ethnic movements. Some of them have written memoirs about it. They were recruited thru far-right churches, college fraternities, and other conservative groups. Still are.}

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MORE CLEVER PSY-OPS TECHNIQUES THAT NO LONGER WORK ON CARE2 MEMBERS! December 10, 2007 9:05 AM

One is, to "get people mad". When you get mad, you tend to say things that make you look foolish! Before wising up, many Care2 members took that poisoned bait! {The psy-ops people were only pretending to be "mad", of course! Every word they said, had a purpose to it!} When people "got mad", they would, for example, join in the name-calling. Then, the psy-ops would say that EVERYBODY does it -- if they were reported to Care2 for name-calling, they would report the reporter, and on and on.

This led to big, unnecessary fights. Often, people who had recently joined Care2 or the political group, would LEAVE IN DISGUST, either the group or Care2 itself!, because "the Left is always squabbling" and the low level of discourse. VICTORY!!! for the psy-ops!!!

The advice often given, to "simply ignore the Troll", proved impossible -- it is neither possible, nor necessary, to "ignore" someone who calls you a liar. THE METHOD SUGGESTED ABOVE, THAT AN INJURY TO ONE IS AN INJURY TO ALL, IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE ONE. Just, NEVER, EVER, LOSE YOUR COOL. NEVER. Not under the most EXTREME provocation. NEVER LOSE YOUR COOL. KEEP YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR AND PERSPECTIVE.

One INFALLIBLE thing that drives the psy-ops crazy, is, to ALWAYS FIGURE OUT WHAT TOPIC THEY WANT TO DISTRACT YOU FROM; and then REALLY GO TO TOWN ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. After all, their whole idea in starting fights, drawing attention to themselves, sliming and isolating Radicals, etc., is, to TAKE OUR ATTENTION AWAY FROM SOME TOPIC THAT MAKES THE BUSHIES SQUIRM. Remember, that is their JOB, what they get PAID FOR.

So, to not allow yourselves to be distracted -- heh, heh, it may get the psy-op FIRED!!!!!!!!! for not doing his or her job well!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was the PREVIOUS focus of the Left Bank group. Of necessity, because there was so MUCH of this stuff going on all around Care2; and there was a clear NEED to INFORM people, both of the threat to the ideals of Care2, and how to combat that threat effectively.

For a current update on the PRESENT goals of Left Bank, please go to "Back to topics" and look up the "Re-Focussing Left Bank" thread. I didn't mean to change the focus and deceive any members -- as some leaders in some groups have done! But, nobody in the group so far, has raised any objection! In that thread, I explain my reasons. Basically, there is now, even on Care2 as well as among the general public, a sort of hysteria and looking for answers and finding them in "scapegoating"; this fostered by the media AND by the increasingly desperate circumstances of peoples' lives. {Homelessness, joblessness, no prospects for the young but the military, the high cost of food, the degradation of the environment, etc. etc. etc.]

To combat "scapegoating" and too-glib answers, is the NEW FOCUS of Left Bank. To target either a nationality, a religion, or some mysterious cabal working for centuries behind the scenes -- foreigners and people alien to us, is the new DISTRACTION. It will not get us anywhere. It is actually FAVORABLE to Fascism; potentially even leads to violence, or to total despair. So, once more, our debunking hat is on!!! BMutiny T 

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